[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
> When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. Yes, I also find it odd that there are four countries that they sell to, but don't let developers/publishers sell from, as in: Australia Canada New Zealand Switzerland I don't know about New Zealand but in those other 3, Google has its own software development efforts, e.g. WAVE in Australia. I suspect that they just didn't want any of their own programmers with deep internal tech knowledge to jump-ship with start-ups selling Android apps, in the year just gone. i.e. They take great pride in the fact that they have a high retention rates of programmers, while places like Microsoft have been losing good coders for some years now. > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if the > app store had the same return policy as the android market. Yes its a win-win-win situation (software publishers/Internet industry/ users). Before the Internet I used to publish software for a living. In 1994/95 the www killed all that - the early-adopters who used to be the buyers of software from those publishers other than the Microsofts and Adobes of the world, all went to the big free download on the web. Most people I know who contribute to free open source projects have other jobs that pay their wages - e.g. academia. The App Store is the first mechanism since 1994 that gives something back to software developers, while also giving customers software for a few bucks (versus the ridiculous price of games on the consoles our kids pay or pirate), while also keeping the Internet healthy with activity and innovation. Apple has effectively tapped the great untapped resource that is software developers and publishers, who don't have some other source of income or some other activity they'd rather be doing. So yes, I agree with you whole-heartedly - it is a large part of the reason Apple have shot to the top in market cap. And I whole-heartedly wish Android provided a similar future avenue - if not via Google, then via some other worthy advocate for innovation and progress. Steve On Jun 11, 2:46 am, Leigh McRae wrote: > When I look at BlackBerry App World it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. > > I really don't think Google is all that interested in paid apps as they > are in extending their ad network to handhelds. You can't really blame > them as it's their core business. > > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if the > app store had the same return policy as the android market. > > Leigh > > On 6/10/2010 11:51 AM, gosh wrote: > > > > > > > Oracle Android App Store > > > Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via > > Android Market: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 > > > Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > > Here's the countries that Android Market sells to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > (i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page) > > > These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that > > first list haven't changed since September 2009. > > (Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from) > > > How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors? > > > Apple's App Store currently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they > > added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia, > > Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ... > > i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what > > you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously. > > I.e. see: > > http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newspr... > > > Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace > > developers can sell to (and upload from): > > >http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-917... > > > ...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this > > year. > > > What both Android app developers and global Android users need is > > another substantial app store run by a globally recognised ICT entity > > with a global presence (not carrier app stores such as Motorola's), an > > International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment > > methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually > > given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all > > this time. I'd lay odds on Oracle setting up an Android App Store that > > uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when > >
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>Slight problem, >The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. >How do you overcome that ? Thats why I suggest its got to be an Oracle-level company - some entity that carriers will do deals with at the pre-installed market level and/or that the customer will type into the browser from memory. Steve On Jun 11, 9:16 am, Yahel wrote: > Slight problem, > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > How do you overcome that ? > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > that. > > Yahel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
HTC don't have the global reach. Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this - witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux. I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in Taiwan. Steve On Jun 11, 11:48 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are > working closely with Google. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > > Slight problem, > > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > > How do you overcome that ? > > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > > that. > > > Yahel > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > Regards, > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
Do we need any more app stores? :) We've been running AndAppStore since the G1 launch and the most common reason we hear for developers not listing is that they don't want to maintain multiple market listings, so I doubt that the creation of multiple markets backed by large companies is viable. AndAppStore gives 100% of app sales revenue to developers, making it as profitable as possible for paid-apps, and we still hit the "multiple market maintenance" issue (our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case you're wondering). If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition for most businesses. Al. P.S. In case you were wondering, we keep running AndAppStore because people want us to and it doesn't drain the companies resources. There are users of non-Google experience devices & developers of apps they'd like to be paid for who live in non-Google approved countries, so we're happy to keep it running. On Jun 11, 5:26 am, Andy Savage wrote: > I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a > splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be > possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they > make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-) > > Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to include > it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run by > xyz company). > > -- > "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that > will allow a solution" > - Bertrand Russell > > Andy Savage > Cell Phone: +852 936 34341 > Skype ID: andy_savage > Linked In:http://www.linkedin.com/in/andysavage > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, gosh wrote: > > HTC don't have the global reach. > > Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in > > reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. > > They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they > > demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux > > (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are > > negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from > > Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this > > - witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows > > variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux. > > I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in > > Taiwan. > > > Steve > > > On Jun 11, 11:48 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > > > Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are > > > working closely with Google. > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > > > > Slight problem, > > > > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > > > > How do you overcome that ? > > > > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > > > > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > > > > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > > > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > > > > that. > > > > > Yahel > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > android-developers@googlegroups.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > cr...@googlegroups.com> > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
> you can see that any company > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition > for most businesses. If they can offer paid apps in more countries than Google, a lot of developers would use them by default. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case you're >wondering). Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the coder. >If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into the firmware If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism than the Android Market currently has. Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. So, there's two-out-of-three USPs (unique selling points) you could do better than Android Market, in what you have outlined as disadvantages. In addition, you could do the web site version 'a whole lot better' than Android Market. [ I'm actually starting to think that maybe the delay in any Android Market update was largely a lack of traditional structured data modeling skills - having recently watched their curtness/defensiveness at the IO 2010 android fireside chat wrt the Market. Sun Inc had such a problem - because they were such an OO-shop, they didn't really get the need for a DBMS and structured data until way too late. i.e. You can't really do an Amazon-like Web 2.0 shop (recommendations, meta- recommendations, etc) with a free-text-index-Google-style search mentality approach to DB design. ] Whatever the initial reason, given that the annual IO-2010 came-and- went with hot air and no progress Market-wise, the next big 'timing' event for Google to put out any new Android Market features, will be the same week as the release of the Windows7 mobile and its accompanying App Store - which gives you a lot of lead-time for such improvements. Steve On Jun 11, 4:19 pm, Al Sutton wrote: > Do we need any more app stores? :) > > We've been running AndAppStore since the G1 launch and the most common > reason we hear for developers not listing is that they don't want to > maintain multiple market listings, so I doubt that the creation of > multiple markets backed by large companies is viable. AndAppStore > gives 100% of app sales revenue to developers, making it as profitable > as possible for paid-apps, and we still hit the "multiple market > maintenance" issue (our revenue is from ads in the client & > customisation deals in case you're wondering). > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition > for most businesses. > > Al. > > P.S. In case you were wondering, we keep running AndAppStore because > people want us to and it doesn't drain the companies resources. There > are users of non-Google experience devices & developers of apps they'd > like to be paid for who live in non-Google approved countries, so > we're happy to keep it running. > > On Jun 11, 5:26 am, Andy Savage wrote: > > > > > I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a > > splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be > > possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they > > make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-) > > > Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to include > > it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run by > > xyz company). > > > -- > > "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that > > will allow a solution" > > - Bertrand Russell > > > Andy Savage > > Cell Phone: +852 936 34341 > > Skype ID: andy_savage > > Linked In:http://www.linkedin.com/in/andysavage > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, gosh wrote: > > > HTC don't have the global reach. > > > Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in > > > reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. > > > They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they > > > demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux > > > (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are > > > negotiating a better annual deal for Windows
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
On Jun 12, 8:44 am, gosh wrote: > >(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case you're > >wondering). > > Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some > small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the > coder. > Nope. The ads are only in our client, and the customisation deals are with OEMs and hardware distributors for customer versions of our systems. Developers don't have to modify anything. > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > > the firmware > > If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could > also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace > home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism > than the Android Market currently has. AndAppStore already offers a purchase checking facility where developers can, if they want to, check against our database of purchases to see if the user has purchased a copy of the app for the specific device it's running on. > > Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a > 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in > Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too > often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update > frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. > We're looking at adding a time selector in addition to our the on/off switch we currently have in the AndAppStore client for background update checking. Al. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
Btw, I saw that you (via AndAppStore) got an honorable mention in the WIRED article re 'Independent App Stores' yesterday. Congrats. Steve On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Al Sutton wrote: > On Jun 12, 8:44 am, gosh wrote: > > > >(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case > > >you're wondering). > > > Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some > > small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the > > coder. > > Nope. The ads are only in our client, and the customisation deals are > with OEMs and hardware distributors for customer versions of our > systems. Developers don't have to modify anything. > > > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > > > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > > > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > > > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > > > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > > > the firmware > > > If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could > > also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace > > home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism > > than the Android Market currently has. > > AndAppStore already offers a purchase checking facility where > developers can, if they want to, check against our database of > purchases to see if the user has purchased a copy of the app for the > specific device it's running on. > > > > > Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a > > 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in > > Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too > > often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update > > frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. > > We're looking at adding a time selector in addition to our the on/off > switch we currently have in the AndAppStore client for background > update checking. > > Al. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
Thanks, it's just shame they didn't talk to us at all about the article yet they give the appearance they did by saying; "But now smaller Android exclusive startups such as Andspot, SlideMe and AndAppStore are getting into the fray. Why develop just an app when you can build an app store, they say." They also seem to have missed the bit about both AndAppStore and SlideME have been around for over 18 months, so we're not really getting into the fray now, we've been in the fray for as long as (if not longer than) Market has. Still, it's always good to see our name in print in a relatively positive article :). Al. On Jun 13, 7:00 am, gosh wrote: > Btw, I saw that you (via AndAppStore) got an honorable mention in the > WIRED article re 'Independent App Stores' yesterday. > Congrats. > > Steve > > On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Al Sutton wrote: > > > > > On Jun 12, 8:44 am, gosh wrote: > > > > >(our revenue is from ads in the client & customisation deals in case > > > >you're wondering). > > > > Then I'm assuming you must require the app publisher to make some > > > small addition to their source code - which is no big deal to the > > > coder. > > > Nope. The ads are only in our client, and the customisation deals are > > with OEMs and hardware distributors for customer versions of our > > systems. Developers don't have to modify anything. > > > > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > > > > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > > > > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > > > > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > > > > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > > > > the firmware > > > > If you already require a mod to the source as per above, you could > > > also add some phone-home 'occasionally' capability (your marketplace > > > home) ... which could implement a 'better' copy protection mechanism > > > than the Android Market currently has. > > > AndAppStore already offers a purchase checking facility where > > developers can, if they want to, check against our database of > > purchases to see if the user has purchased a copy of the app for the > > specific device it's running on. > > > > Similarly, you could also use such phone-home code to implement a > > > 'better' updates policy - e.g. I find the current update mechanism in > > > Android Market a pain in the butt in that it tries to update apps 'too > > > often'. E.g. you could let the 'phone user' pick a minimum update > > > frequency which overrides those frenetic/frivolous updaters. > > > We're looking at adding a time selector in addition to our the on/off > > switch we currently have in the AndAppStore client for background > > update checking. > > > Al. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
>> When I look at BlackBerryAppWorld it lists over 200 countries which... Not so. They currently offer free apps to 56 countries and paid apps to 13 countries (a slightly different 13 than Android Market's 13 ... Not Canada! - no, just kidding). Its not that clear which countries Blackberry developers can sell 'from'? See: http://www.blackberry.com/app_includes/devicesoftware/appworld/appworld_availability_en.html Steve On Jun 11, 2:46 am, Leigh McRae wrote: > When I look at BlackBerryAppWorld it lists over 200 countries which > seems high but I know they support almost everywhere by now so perhaps > it's correct. I find it crazy that Canada isn't supported considering > NAFTA. > > I really don't think Google is all that interested in paid apps as they > are in extending their ad network to handhelds. You can't really blame > them as it's their core business. > > Also I suspect that Apple wouldn't have passed MS in market cap if > theappstorehad the same return policy as the android market. > > Leigh > > On 6/10/2010 11:51 AM, gosh wrote: > > > > > > >OracleAndroidAppStore > > > Here's the countries that developers can currently sell from via > > Android Market: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?answer=150324 > > > Here's the countries that Android Market offers free apps to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > > Here's the countries that Android Market sells to: > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe... > > (i.e. the 13 countries down the bottom of the same page) > > > These haven't changed much for a long time - e.g. 9 countries in that > > first list haven't changed since September 2009. > > (Googles Knows why its not the same 13 where users can buy from) > > > How does this compare with the other mobile OS vendors? > > > Apple'sAppStorecurrently works in 90 countries. In Feb'2010 they > > added: Armenia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Jordan, Kenya, Macedonia, > > Madagascar, Mali, Mauritius, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, and Uganda ... > > i.e. they are going to run out of global map real soon now. Say what > > you like about them, but they take paid apps seriously. > > I.e. see: > > http://developer.apple.com/iphone/news/archives/2010/february/#newspr... > > > Here's the 29 countries that Microsoft's Windows Phone Marketplace > > developers can sell to (and upload from): > > >http://developer.windowsphone.com/help.aspx?id=fd9b5508-6436-4503-917... > > > ...when the forthcoming Windows7 Phone hits the market later this > > year. > > > What both Androidappdevelopers and global Android users need is > > another substantialappstorerun by a globally recognised ICT entity > > with a global presence (not carrierappstores such as Motorola's), an > > International commitment, and that uses more conventional payment > > methods (PayPal/ the standard Credit Cards). It will happen eventually > > given the gapping great gap in the Android Market service roll-out all > > this time. I'd lay odds onOraclesetting up an AndroidAppStorethat > > uses PayPal, which seems an odd possibility at first, but then when > > you think about it more seriously, it makes commercial sense from a > > lot of different angles: > > - Sun had a JavaStorethat used PayPal. > > - They now control Java. > > - They like making money from software. > > - As Google moves to Web apps within the forthcoming WebStore,Oracle > > could befriend Android developers (via global distribution) and > > gradually try to move them towards JavaFX apps (whatever plans they > > have for that). > > - In building such anappstoreit could showcase their existing > >OracleStoreproduct for building such things. > > - They could entice Androidappdevelopers to develop 'services' for > > their own apps on their own MySQL/OracleDBMS servers (supplied by > >Oracle), or via anOraclecloud. > > > Any votes for anOracleAndroidAppStore? > > Any votes for a Yahoo! AndroidAppStore? > > or > > What other major ICT/media company could pull off such a marketing > > coup? > > -- > Leigh McRaewww.lonedwarfgames.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are working closely with Google. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > Slight problem, > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > How do you overcome that ? > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > that. > > Yahel > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > -- Regards, Michael Leung http://www.itblogs.info http://www.michaelleung.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-) Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to include it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run by xyz company). -- "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution" - Bertrand Russell Andy Savage Cell Phone: +852 936 34341 Skype ID: andy_savage Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andysavage On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, gosh wrote: > HTC don't have the global reach. > Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in > reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. > They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they > demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux > (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are > negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from > Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this > - witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows > variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux. > I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in > Taiwan. > > Steve > > On Jun 11, 11:48 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > > Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they are > > working closely with Google. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > > > Slight problem, > > > > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > > > > How do you overcome that ? > > > > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % on > > > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is way > > > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > > > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > > > that. > > > > > Yahel > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to > android-developers@googlegroups.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com cr...@googlegroups.com> > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Oracle Android App Store
AndAppStore is a good example, it is completely using Paypal On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Al Sutton wrote: > Do we need any more app stores? :) > > We've been running AndAppStore since the G1 launch and the most common > reason we hear for developers not listing is that they don't want to > maintain multiple market listings, so I doubt that the creation of > multiple markets backed by large companies is viable. AndAppStore > gives 100% of app sales revenue to developers, making it as profitable > as possible for paid-apps, and we still hit the "multiple market > maintenance" issue (our revenue is from ads in the client & > customisation deals in case you're wondering). > > If you also add in that Market does things that third party after- > market app stores can't (automatic updates, copy protection, > permissions-before-download installs), you can see that any company > getting into the Android app store space is competing on a uneven > playing field from day 1 on devices where they aren't integrated into > the firmware, which makes running a market an unattractive proposition > for most businesses. > > Al. > > P.S. In case you were wondering, we keep running AndAppStore because > people want us to and it doesn't drain the companies resources. There > are users of non-Google experience devices & developers of apps they'd > like to be paid for who live in non-Google approved countries, so > we're happy to keep it running. > > On Jun 11, 5:26 am, Andy Savage wrote: > > I think that it's highly possible for a competing App market to make a > > splash but it would have to come pre-installed on the phones. It could be > > possible though for a company who develops one to pre-install it if they > > make a deal with HTC for certain models of phones :-) > > > > Perhaps just pick 2 of the latest phones and make a deal with HTC to > include > > it alongside the google one. Or perhaps HTC could cobrand (HTC store run > by > > xyz company). > > > > -- > > "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way > that > > will allow a solution" > > - Bertrand Russell > > > > Andy Savage > > Cell Phone: +852 936 34341 > > Skype ID: andy_savage > > Linked In:http://www.linkedin.com/in/andysavage > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, gosh wrote: > > > HTC don't have the global reach. > > > Of the Taiwanese companies ACER is probably the most international in > > > reach and intent - although they are pretty much a Microsoft shop. > > > They have this annual pattern thats been going for years, where they > > > demonstrate some prototype typically running some variant of Linux > > > (including Android) at Computex and the like, while they are > > > negotiating a better annual deal for Windows XP/and now Windows7 from > > > Microsoft, as a bargaining chip. ASUS has become their student in this > > > - witness the EeePC which mainly comes installed with a Windows > > > variant these days, after making its splash in the market with Linux. > > > I don't think the answer to android app market invigoration likes in > > > Taiwan. > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jun 11, 11:48 am, Chi Kit Leung wrote: > > > > Maybe HTC can develop their own market. But I am doubtful about they > are > > > > working closely with Google. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Yahel wrote: > > > > > Slight problem, > > > > > > > The pre-installed market in every phone is Google's. > > > > > > > How do you overcome that ? > > > > > > > Internet Explorer is still the most used browser in the world(70 % > on > > > > > non-tech-savvy sites) 8 years after the launch of firefox which is > way > > > > > better. Just because IE is pre-installed in every windows machine. > > > > > > > Same thing here. Other markets won't be able to compete because of > > > > > that. > > > > > > > Yahel > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > android-developers@googlegroups.com > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com cr...@googlegroups.com> > > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael Leunghttp://www.itblogs.infohttp://www.michaelleung.info > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to > android-developers@googlegroups.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com cr...@googlegroups.com> > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android
