Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I would think 1/10th HTC would be a wildly optimistic assessment of our importance to Google. On 8/10/2011 1:05 AM, Nathan wrote: On Jul 7, 4:39 pm, JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin)jalex...@gmail.com wrote: Would you feel better if Google wrote a similar letter to Lodsys? You do understand that that letter is just that - a letter. Apple has not only written a letter but has motioned to intervene in the lawsuit against seven ios developers. So, yes, I would fell better if Google took similar actions, but I'm not counting on it. HTC has been paying royalties to Microsoft for what, two years? And only recently has Google shown concern. And HTC is probably at least ten times higher on the totem pole than we developers are in terms of our importance to Google. Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Chris crehb...@gmail.com wrote: I'm guessing whatever was communicated was sent 'in confidence' and by emanating the contents would hurt whatever case he had. Best to leave this question alone for a lil while. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
Question is: Are you ready to spend time and money battling over %6 of US sales? I don't expect that you live in Texas. And Apple hasn't really stepped in more than Google has, don't be fooled by that letter. BTW: Google has the same license Apple has. They both acquired the license from Intellectual Ventures. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
Question is: Are you ready to spend time and money battling over %6 of US sales? Is this what Lodsys is asking for? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I'm curious too, where are you getting the 6% figure? BTW: We have no way of knowing that Google has the same license Apple has. All we know is that Google and Apple each obtained *a* license from Intellectual Ventures. It may be a reasonable assumption that the licenses have similar terms, but it's by no means definite. Those of us posting on this forum don't really know anything about the details of *either* license. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I read yesterday it wasn't 6%, its 0.575% which, principle aside, is a paltry amount. Here's one reference: http://9to5mac.com/2011/05/16/lodsys-were-not-patent-trolls-heres-why-were-entitled-to-royalties-over-in-app-purchasing/ - I think there's more info at Groklaw about exactly what they're asking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I read yesterday it wasn't 6%, its 0.575% From what I understand from that link, that's what they are CURRENTLY receiving from Apple, not what they want from us as developers. Does anyone who received THE LETTER have any detail as to what Lodsys is demanding? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
If I get that letter, I'll reply to them to kindly... I did that exactly once in my life and it took two years and a lot of pain and suffering (and legal bills) to get passed that one outburst. I was young and foolish at the time. Just remember, never respond to any legal letter with anything less than another legal letter. Not heading this advice will just feed the sender with things they can put in front of a judge. If you want to have fun with the legal system, then by all means do so. For me, there is nothing fun about lawyers, judges or judgements. The saying The person who legally defends themselves has a fool for a client. is appropriate. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
So, I have to find somebody to find a nice, legal way to say 'suck my balls, your patent doesn't apply to my app?' Ok. Sorry, but I'm not going to let these suit retards try to get any money from me. Then again, I live in a shitty apartment and the most expensive thing I own is my do, I ride my bike to places, and I buy everything with cash. I don't give two shits if they want to try and sue me. Good luck trying to find me physically. I'll just re-register my app from my home country of El Salvador. I've done this with medical and towing bills and it costs them a lot more to try to get the money from you constantly then any profit they hoped to gain. Eventually they gave up. I guess if you want to be a wuss and cave in, go ahead. But you're further perpetuating the situation. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM, John Coryat cor...@gmail.com wrote: If I get that letter, I'll reply to them to kindly... I did that exactly once in my life and it took two years and a lot of pain and suffering (and legal bills) to get passed that one outburst. I was young and foolish at the time. Just remember, never respond to any legal letter with anything less than another legal letter. Not heading this advice will just feed the sender with things they can put in front of a judge. If you want to have fun with the legal system, then by all means do so. For me, there is nothing fun about lawyers, judges or judgements. The saying The person who legally defends themselves has a fool for a client. is appropriate. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- ~ Jeremiah:9:23-24 Android 2D MMORPG: http://solrpg.com/, http://www.youtube.com/user/revoltingx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 10:12:49AM -0700, John Coryat wrote: If I get that letter, I'll reply to them to kindly... I did that exactly once in my life and it took two years and a lot of pain and suffering (and legal bills) to get passed that one outburst. I was young and foolish at the time. Just remember, never respond to any legal letter with anything less than another legal letter. Not heading this advice will just feed the sender with things they can put in front of a judge. If you want to have fun with the legal system, then by all means do so. For me, there is nothing fun about lawyers, judges or judgements. The saying The person who legally defends themselves has a fool for a client. is appropriate. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)| Peter da Silva: No, try rm -rf / spooky1...@gmail.com| Dave Aronson:As your life flashes before Running FreeBSD 7.0 | your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ICBM / Hurricane: | ohnosecond (alt.sysadmin.recovery) 30.44406N 86.59909W | Point Lobos Photography Set 1 (Photo-posters): http://jdgapps.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 10:22:11AM -0700, Miguel Morales wrote: cave in, go ahead. But you're further perpetuating the situation. Based on what I read in one of the articles from the links posted earlier (I think it was groklaw.com, or something like that), caving in is exactly what lodsys is counting on people to do. They see these frivolous lawsuits as a business. The more people fight back, the more it hurts their so-called business. That's one thing the articles were very clear on---this is their business...buying vaguely-defined patents and suing anyone who uses any portion of the descriptions in those patents for small amounts, and hoping that people will just pay, rather than go through the hassle of fighting back. Btw, this is paraphrasing from either the first of the four links posted earlier, or from the Read More (or something like that) link within that article (or both). If I were to get the letter, for my app that has NO billing of any kind (or my next app, which will use the regular Market billing as a simple paid app), I'd contact the CLRC (Cancer Legal Resource Center), get a lawyer here in town who'd take the case for free (pro bono, I think is the term) unless we win, and I'd sue them right back for trying to pull me into a frivolous law suit. That, or I'd get the lawyer to file for reexamination of the patent, whichever the LAWYER said was the way to go. No way would I even consider paying them. And as everyone else has been clear to point out, I am not a lawyer, nor do my comments here represent legal opinion. However, as my oncologists and the neurosurgeon who did my brain surgeries and, despite my being right there, fully awake the same day[1], swore over and over that my being awake that soon was absolutely impossible, that after a set of surgeries as severe as mine, it was an absolute given that I'd be in a coma for AT LEAST a month, will all verify, I am a stubborn SOB who will NOT accept being attacked without fighting back twice as hard as my attacker. My former cancer, if it still existed, would also agree (you know what I mean). When I was diagnosed (26Jan2006), my soon-to-be oncologist gave me a 50% chance of getting out of the hospital alive. I less-than-politely told him what he could do with his 50%. He was glad to hear me say that, and immediately raised it to 80%, and the next day, to 100%. IMHO, that's how we should all, collectively or individually, fight back here, too. But that is just my opinion. Take it or leave it. Later, --jim [1] I also woke up during one of the three brain surgeries...but that's another story -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)| Peter da Silva: No, try rm -rf / spooky1...@gmail.com| Dave Aronson:As your life flashes before Running FreeBSD 7.0 | your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ICBM / Hurricane: | ohnosecond (alt.sysadmin.recovery) 30.44406N 86.59909W | Point Lobos Photography Set 1 (Photo-posters): http://jdgapps.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
Yeah... My bad. It's ~%.6. Forgot the . before 6 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
PS: Nilay Patel did a little review for This Is My Next... http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/17/lodsys-sends-ios-developers-cease-and-desist-letters-in-app-purchases-on/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I don't give two shits if they want to try and sue me Me neither. x% of 0 is still zero. I love that about math. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:15 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: I recommend that you (and all Android devs, really) read the excellent article here: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/cost-efficient-way-for-app-developers.html. It makes abundantly clear that it's utterly irrelevant how valid the infringement claim is; unless you have the financial resources to fight the legal battle, AND are prepared to lose, you have little choice put to pay their demands. It's extortion, pure and simple. Getting legal advice from Florian Mueller is roughly on par with getting legal advice from a rutabaga... or getting hair care instruction from me. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I don't recall suggesting anyone retain Florian Mueller as their counsel. But I find it difficult to refute a number of points he makes: - Lodsys isn't afraid to sue, i.e. these aren't idle threats they're making (note that idle != baseless). - Legal battles, especially over patents, are expensive. I don't mean new-tablet expensive, I mean new-airliner expensive. - Legal battles, especially over patents in East Texas, are risky. Even if Lodsys' claim looks ludicrous to you, you can't be confident of winning this fight. Can anyone here realistically dispute any of these points? Or, if not, present a reasonable alternative to knuckling under to Lodsys' demands? String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:48 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: Or, if not, present a reasonable alternative to knuckling under to Lodsys' demands? In chronological order, here is advice from some actual attorneys (Patrick Igoe and Mark Webbink): http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110614184205441 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110615111436917 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011061608115990 Of course, as the first article notes: Developers should not take legal advice from the Internet, and especially not from a non-attorney blog or a software development podcast. -- Some sort of legal defense fund and pooled defense would seem like an excellent idea, but somebody with standing on this issue would need to talk to qualified legal counsel about whether this works in this case, what are the options for funding it, etc. Some sort of Kick Lodsys Where It Counts Kickstarter campaign might be fun. :-) -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:44:27AM -0400, Mark Murphy wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:48 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: Some sort of legal defense fund and pooled defense would seem like an excellent idea, but somebody with standing on this issue would need to talk to qualified legal counsel about whether this works in this case, what are the options for funding it, etc. Some sort of Kick Lodsys Where It Counts Kickstarter campaign might be fun. :-) No legal advice here, no ability to send any real money, either, but I just wanted to wish all developers involved the best outcome possible in this Lodsys crap. Best of luck, everyone! --jim PS: I just barely missed being a part of this, too, having just decided not to go with ads/donation to remove ads for my app. So I definitely do feel for you all. -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)| This 'telephone' has too many spooky1...@gmail.com| shortcomings to be seriously considered Running FreeBSD 7.0 | as a means of communication. The device ICBM / Hurricane: | is inherently of no value to us. 30.44406N 86.59909W | (Western Union internal memo, 1876) Point Lobos Photography Set 1 (Photo-posters): http://jdgapps.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:44:27 PM UTC+1, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: Developers should not take legal advice from the Internet, and especially not from a non-attorney blog or a software development podcast. I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn't trying to give advice either, just chiming in as an interested party (I believe all devs are interested parties here). -- Some sort of legal defense fund and pooled defense would seem like an excellent idea, but somebody with standing on this issue would need to talk to qualified legal counsel about whether this works in this case, what are the options for funding it, etc. Some sort of Kick Lodsys Where It Counts Kickstarter campaign might be fun. :-) Might indeed. Interesting reading on that vein here: http://iptarget.blogspot.com/2011/05/troll-blasting-strategy.html On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:04:11 PM UTC+1, Spooky wrote: PS: I just barely missed being a part of this, too, having just decided not to go with ads/donation to remove ads for my app. So I definitely do feel for you all. Just FYI, you may not have missed the fun. The whole point of patent trolling is an intentional misconstruing of the claims in an attempt to extort money from another (from the IPTarget blog). The troll doesn't care that you're not infringing his patent, he just wants to scare you into paying up. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
What choices do we have in regard to functions, to avoid being targeted by Lodsys? I'm within a couple of weeks for rolling out an upgrade to my main app with in-app purchasing. The last thing I want is to get one of those FedEx letters a month after release. Is the Lodsys attack only against developers who use market based payments? What about using PayPal? I would really rather use the regular features of the Android market but if the result is an extortion attack from Lodsys, then I would rather skip that problem by using a safer alternative. What exactly is Lodsys demanding? Do they want a cut or do they want everyone to stop making any money off their app? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
At the moment, Lodsys seems to be targeting any sort of a purchase mechanism within an app. It started with in-app purchasing (via the API) on both iOS and Android, but has now expanded to include upgrade links and buttons in free apps that send the user back to the Market to buy a paid version. I see no reason they wouldn't hit you for Paypal links, or any other purchase mechanism. None of it is a valid claim on their patent, but that doesn't really matter - it's the threat that counts. So there's no specific functionality to avoid that will keep you out of the crosshairs; right now, it's purchase links, but next time it'll be something else. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
RE: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I think the lawyer that Mark Murphy posted makes a more compelling argument for resistance. The Lodsys model depends on many businesses yielding without a fight. If Lodsys faces an uphill battle with every single patent assertion, they'll make a loss on each one and we'll be rid of them in no time at all. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of String Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:02 AM To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys. At the moment, Lodsys seems to be targeting any sort of a purchase mechanism within an app. It started with in-app purchasing (via the API) on both iOS and Android, but has now expanded to include upgrade links and buttons in free apps that send the user back to the Market to buy a paid version. I see no reason they wouldn't hit you for Paypal links, or any other purchase mechanism. None of it is a valid claim on their patent, but that doesn't really matter - it's the threat that counts. So there's no specific functionality to avoid that will keep you out of the crosshairs; right now, it's purchase links, but next time it'll be something else. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I would respond telling them to contact google. The app never presents the user with any interactive method for making a purchase. From the app level, we tell Android that a user has selected something that may be a product and Android checks if this something is a valid product. (There is no guarantee that Android will respond, this depends on each phone.) Only then, in a process outside of the app, does Android do the whole transfer of funds and telling the user what exactly that product is and how much it costs. The app knows NOTHING about the payment transfer, just the user might have potentially 'clicked' on a item. The app doesn't get any receipt, or any information about the user beyond: it was a real product and was purchased, or not a valid product. The app NEVER initiates the purchase process, nor does it provide any way of interaction to purchase said product. The app NEVER stores any information about the purchase, Android simply tells us that at some point the user purchased a certain product. Furthermore, product purchases can be made outside of the phone device and because the app and the payment system are not bundled the app is able to detect the outside purchases. Thus, the app knows NOTHING about in-app payments. Nothing about handling user interaction when it comes to making the purchase, and stores NOTHING about said payment transaction. Google provides all of this information in a process completely outside of the app, and simply notifies the app that a transaction happened. It is google that keeps track of all these transactions and it is google that handles gathering payment information from a user. The app never links with any google application or code that has to with purchasing. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Christopher Van Kirk christopher.vank...@gmail.com wrote: I think the lawyer that Mark Murphy posted makes a more compelling argument for resistance. The Lodsys model depends on many businesses yielding without a fight. If Lodsys faces an uphill battle with every single patent assertion, they’ll make a loss on each one and we’ll be rid of them in no time at all. From: android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of String Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:02 AM To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys. At the moment, Lodsys seems to be targeting any sort of a purchase mechanism within an app. It started with in-app purchasing (via the API) on both iOS and Android, but has now expanded to include upgrade links and buttons in free apps that send the user back to the Market to buy a paid version. I see no reason they wouldn't hit you for Paypal links, or any other purchase mechanism. None of it is a valid claim on their patent, but that doesn't really matter - it's the threat that counts. So there's no specific functionality to avoid that will keep you out of the crosshairs; right now, it's purchase links, but next time it'll be something else. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- ~ Jeremiah:9:23-24 Android 2D MMORPG: http://solrpg.com/, http://www.youtube.com/user/revoltingx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
I would respond telling them to contact google. I wish it were that simple. I think we all know that this is a totally bogus attempt by a blood sucking company to extort developers. Lodsys filed a suit against some big boys today: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20076975-38/lodsys-files-suit-against-new-york-times-five-others/ This may bring the issue to some closure or just escalate it into a battle that will have an end eventually. I'm hoping something happens with this before I get the letter myself. I'd like to start using in-app purchases but if the threat of a lawsuit is still around, I may just hold off making those features available until this problem is resolved. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Patent Infringement notice by Lodsys.
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 06:59:50AM -0700, String wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 12:44:27 PM UTC+1, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:04:11 PM UTC+1, Spooky wrote: PS: I just barely missed being a part of this, too, having just decided not to go with ads/donation to remove ads for my app. So I definitely do feel for you all. Just FYI, you may not have missed the fun. The whole point of patent trolling is an intentional misconstruing of the claims in an attempt to extort money from another (from the IPTarget blog). The troll doesn't care that you're not infringing his patent, he just wants to scare you into paying up. So they're going after ALL devs with an app out there? Even free apps without any form of payment option at all? That sucks. Later, --jim -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running FreeBSD 7.0 spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W Point Lobos Photography Set 1 (Photo-posters): http://jdgapps.com Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! --Mal (Firefly, 1x03, Our Mrs. Reynolds) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
