Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
Sir, I am sorry that you feel as if I "took a swipe" at you personally as you mentioned in another post. I was merely saying that this subject (Android Marketplace usage research) was probably better asked on the Android Marketplace groups forum. I still feel that way. If others do not or choose to reply to off-topic or semi off-topic posts, then so be it. Anyway, after looking around at your other posts I feel as I did in fact post properly. Why? As most of your posts seem to be, this post also seems like only an attempt to once again be some sort of sounding board for yet another complaint about Google, Android and/or the Marketplace after cloaking it in innocuous questions/comments. With all that said, I still think you should take your negativity over there to the Marketplace people and let them have it :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 09:42:09PM +0900, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Jim Graham wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 08:17:14PM +0900, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > AFAIK, 'Top Free/Paid' is a list of the apps released (not sure if updates) > count in the last 30 days, sorted by rank. The lists are now > country-specific as well, whereas that was not the case with 'Just In'. That's not what the market support guy told me...but then, I just looked for my new LWP, Bouncing Buckies, which I released Friday evening (CDT), and I can't find it (oh, and it still shows 0 installs, which is strange considering that Google Checkout says otherwise). Apparently, either you are right and support guy wasn't telling the truth, or a whole ton of paid apps have been released since Friday at about 2210 UTC. And while we're on the subject, if you're scrolling through a list, DON'T use your Home button or anything that takes you out of that list (including looking at any apps) or you'll start back at the top of the list instead of where you were. Nice u, feature, isn't it Supposedly, they're going to fix that. As of a minute ago, it isn't fixed yet, and I'm not holding my breath, either. Later, --jim -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running FreeBSD 7.0 > spooky1...@gmail.comICBM/Hurr.: 30.44406N 86.59909W Saw something on TV about Psych-os. H, Psych OS. Perhaps the next freeware OS --me -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Jim Graham wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 08:17:14PM +0900, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > > Scroll the list of Paid, Free, etc., to the right and you'll see Top New > Paid and Top New Free (which is really all new paid and all new free, not > just the top x%). Basically, it's "Just In" split into free and paid. > I don't think it's exactly the same. Before, if you released an update, it would show up in 'Just In' (which is sorted by update/release time). So even apps with 0 ratings would show up at the top of 'Just In'. AFAIK, 'Top Free/Paid' is a list of the apps released (not sure if updates) count in the last 30 days, sorted by rank. The lists are now country-specific as well, whereas that was not the case with 'Just In'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
It's also a good idea to check this page before releasing an update: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/developer/bin/static.py?page=known_issues.cs -- Kostya 2011/8/7 Jim Graham : > On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 08:17:14PM +0900, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > >> However, since there is no more a 'Just In' category (bucket?), it's >> not clear where your app will be shown. > > Actually, there is. It's just hidden so you can't find it. I found out > when I was seeing a force close on the Market (when opening it to process > updates via the notification bar), and sent in a trouble ticket. I > responded to the response I got, asked a bit more about the new Market > app (including, now that there is no "Just In" category, where do we go > to look at apps that are just in"). > > Scroll the list of Paid, Free, etc., to the right and you'll see Top New > Paid and Top New Free (which is really all new paid and all new free, not > just the top x%). Basically, it's "Just In" split into free and paid. > > Yeah, I'd rather go back to the older version, too. > > Later, > --jim > > -- > 73 DE N5IAL (/4) MiSTie #49997 < Running FreeBSD 7.0 > > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W > > Do not look into waveguide with remaining eye! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 08:17:14PM +0900, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > However, since there is no more a 'Just In' category (bucket?), it's > not clear where your app will be shown. Actually, there is. It's just hidden so you can't find it. I found out when I was seeing a force close on the Market (when opening it to process updates via the notification bar), and sent in a trouble ticket. I responded to the response I got, asked a bit more about the new Market app (including, now that there is no "Just In" category, where do we go to look at apps that are just in"). Scroll the list of Paid, Free, etc., to the right and you'll see Top New Paid and Top New Free (which is really all new paid and all new free, not just the top x%). Basically, it's "Just In" split into free and paid. Yeah, I'd rather go back to the older version, too. Later, --jim -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running FreeBSD 7.0 > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W Do not look into waveguide with remaining eye! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Nikolay Elenkov wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Mark Murphy wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Jim Graham wrote: >>> So basically, your answer is that there is no best timethat there >>> is always someone around somewhere, and weekends vs weekends vs holidays >>> become irrelevant? Or did I read your response incorrectly? >> >> I'll be stunned if anyone has done a decent study. >> > > There is some unscientific evidence that most users try out and > buy apps on weekends. Especially games. So maybe end of week > (Thu-Fri) is a good time to release. However, since there is no > more a 'Just In' category (bucket?), it's not clear where your app > will be shown. Maybe in 'Top New' if you are lucky. But with > the device Market (the web seems to be OK) randomly switching > location for the past few days, you can never be sure who will see it. > Another idea: if you have ads or session tracking in your app, after a while you should have some statistics about when it gets the most usage (ad requests/session). Then you could target your releases accordingly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Mark Murphy wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Jim Graham wrote: >> So basically, your answer is that there is no best timethat there >> is always someone around somewhere, and weekends vs weekends vs holidays >> become irrelevant? Or did I read your response incorrectly? > > I'll be stunned if anyone has done a decent study. > There is some unscientific evidence that most users try out and buy apps on weekends. Especially games. So maybe end of week (Thu-Fri) is a good time to release. However, since there is no more a 'Just In' category (bucket?), it's not clear where your app will be shown. Maybe in 'Top New' if you are lucky. But with the device Market (the web seems to be OK) randomly switching location for the past few days, you can never be sure who will see it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Jim Graham wrote: > So basically, your answer is that there is no best timethat there > is always someone around somewhere, and weekends vs weekends vs holidays > become irrelevant? Or did I read your response incorrectly? I'll be stunned if anyone has done a decent study. We know some heuristics about when to post on eBay because some people post thousands of listings a week, and therefore have enough data themselves to draw conclusions. The only similar people in Android-dom are not very nice. When you have 1-2 apps and ship updates every 1-2 months, it takes years to get enough data, and that assumes you were collecting the data in the first place and ignores the impact of a changing audience during those years. Google could publish the results of a study, but it would run afoul of the Heisenmarket Uncertainty Principle (if you are big enough to learn something about a market you run and you talk about it, talking about it changes the behavior of your market and may obviate what you learned). I don't think that the pirated Android Market feed has enough granularity in download counts for a third party to be able to do a decent study, except perhaps for new apps, where there may be rapid movement through some of the smaller/earlier download count buckets. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to *Advanced* Android Development_ Version 2.0 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Is there a best (or worst) time to release apps?
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 05:32:09PM -0700, rich friedel wrote: > That would be more a market question... Of which there are rather a lot in this group. Do you respond to them in the same way? I've never noticed, if you have. So basically, your answer is that there is no best timethat there is always someone around somewhere, and weekends vs weekends vs holidays become irrelevant? Or did I read your response incorrectly? Later, --jim -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4)| Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /" spooky1...@gmail.com| Dave Aronson:As your life flashes before < Running FreeBSD 7.0 > | your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ICBM / Hurricane: | ohnosecond (alt.sysadmin.recovery) 30.44406N 86.59909W | -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
