Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Jonas Petersson]

On 2011-03-17 10:46, Albert wrote:

Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done
to balance out the drop of the 1st December?


Well I have a fair sized "bump" (about 15%) on 17-19th of Feb for my app 
that is popular in the US (65% users), but  on my more Sweden specific 
app (83% .se users) it is well within the normal ripples. On a third app 
with 55% US users there is a somewhat unusual increase (~7%) on the 
17th, but in that case it didn't drop back down.


So, it may be that it is US-related or just random.

Hope this helps / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

17.03.2011 12:46, Albert пишет:

Have anyone seen the peak of 17th February?? That might have been done
to balance out the drop of the 1st December?

Yes, I see that. But for my apps, the December 17th increase is much 
smaller than the January 1st drop (about 1/3).


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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Jonas Petersson]

On 2011-03-17 01:46, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:

I don't know.  Does a lower power phone means<  Android 2.1??  I don't
think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really
changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3.


Theoretically: Not really
In reality: Yes - at least where I live.

Sure, the Hero like got 2.x in the end, Magic and G1 didn't. The X10 
series got 2.x in the end (but everyone expected them to have it from 
the start). However, at the moment it exceedingly unlikely that you will 
get a new phone with 1.x - unless you are fooled into it.


Hence, most 1.x devices are likely to be hand-me-downs, old users who 
don't really care or new users who don't have a clue. None of these are 
high on my list of power-app-shoppers (doubt most of them will figure 
out how to register to buy even), so it will be free or nothing.


YMMV / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

 These aren't the Market bugs you are looking for.  Move along
now, move along. 




In all seriousness, do I feel cheated when I see my stats drop dramatically?
 Yes.  Do I feel like there should be some correction? Yes.  Has anything
been done in the past to recover the stats?  Very rarely.  Should I trust
what I see in the Market dev console?  Maybe, but unlikely.  Will I focus
more on trends from my ad and sales revenue and manually looking at my app
rank in the market instead of focusing on these percentages?  Yes.  Do I
hope that someone from the Market will actually start paying attention and
at least address some of our seemingly non-confidential questions?  Yes.

I almost feel like we are beating a dead horse here.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> I don't know.  Does a lower power phone means < Android 2.1??  I don't
> think so as I don't believe that the hardware requirements have really
> changed much from 1.5 to even 2.3.
>
> In the US, the only major phone that's not on 2.0+ is the Motorola
> CLIQ XT, and that's not even because of hardware reasons.
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 7:11 am, "Jonas Petersson"  wrote:
> > On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:
> >
> > > I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version.
> >
> > > The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the
> > > paid version.  While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be
> > > right.
> >
> > Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair correlation that
> > the people willing to pay for apps are those who have the more expensive
> > phones which in turn means that they typically run 2.2+.
> >
> > I guess it boils down to: people with more money spend more. Simple?
> >
> > I don't know about sales stats anywhere but around here (Sweden) there
> > are about 60 Android models available, and sorting those by popularity
> > (very simple in my Prisjakt/PriceSpy app) you find that none of the top
> > half runs 1.x - in fact only seven in the top half runs 2.1 - everything
> > else is 2.2+.
> >
> > My free apps have around 7% 1.x (the older apps somewhat more, newer
> > somewhat less). Obviously, living in Sweden means it was not really
> > possible to buy OR sell apps until about 6 months ago, so this affects
> > my stats.
> >
> > My take on this: I think it makes fair sense.
> >
> > Best / Jonas
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Jonas Petersson]

On 2011-03-16 23:45, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:

I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version.

The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the
paid version.  While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be
right.


Well, examining the stats for my own apps, I see a fair correlation that 
the people willing to pay for apps are those who have the more expensive 
phones which in turn means that they typically run 2.2+.


I guess it boils down to: people with more money spend more. Simple?

I don't know about sales stats anywhere but around here (Sweden) there 
are about 60 Android models available, and sorting those by popularity 
(very simple in my Prisjakt/PriceSpy app) you find that none of the top 
half runs 1.x - in fact only seven in the top half runs 2.1 - everything 
else is 2.2+.


My free apps have around 7% 1.x (the older apps somewhat more, newer 
somewhat less). Obviously, living in Sweden means it was not really 
possible to buy OR sell apps until about 6 months ago, so this affects 
my stats.


My take on this: I think it makes fair sense.

Best / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

Perhaps - users who have newer, more expensive phones are more likely to
purchase applications.

Truth or BS? Take a guess :)
17.03.2011 1:46 пользователь "Zsolt Vasvari"  написал:
> Well, I don't trust the numbers they are showing for my app, either.
>
> I also have 2 versions, a free and a paid version.
>
> The free version is showing that 1.5 + 1.6 = 7.4% vs. 2.4% for the
> paid version. While I am no statistician, I believe this cannot be
> right. I suppose it's possible that the free version of my app is
> used in poorer countries where paid apps are unavailable, but should
> that correlate with an older Android version? My guess would be no.
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 9:51 pm, Justin Giles  wrote:
>> > For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in
>> > the other -- they are not even close.  So, my theory to discontinue
>> > 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing
>> > which number is right and which one is BS.
>>
>> It's not a matter of the overall averages in regards to v1.5 and 1.6.  I
>> would focus more on what your actual app percentages are instead of the
>> average over the whole Market.  For instance one of my apps has a total
of
>> about 15-20% at v1.5 and 1.6 (spread evenly between the two).  I was
>> thinking about discontinuing support for 1.5 until I saw this.  This is
>> almost 1/5 of my user base that I would have alienated if I had done so.
>>  Keep in mind that these percentages vary greatly to what the Market
average
>> is.  I think the Market average stuff is just to give you an idea of the
>> Android version trends more than anything else and you should treat it
>> accordingly.  And, since, in theory, the new statistics are updated
nightly,
>> I would think that the market average numbers are more accurate than the
>> weekly/bi-weekly updated stats on the market share page.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Marcin Orlowski]

> Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is
kind of fun =)

"It's not a bug. It's a feature"

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

Hmm, January 28 is not a special date like New Year's Eve.

So we not only test Market but also document it :)
17.03.2011 1:35 пользователь "TreKing"  написал:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev 
wrote:
>
>> I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone
>> else?
>
>
> Yup. Jan 28th as well for me on both apps.
>
> Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is
> kind of fun =)
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Kostya Vasilyev  wrote:

> I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone
> else?


Yup. Jan 28th as well for me on both apps.

Figuring out the ass-backwards logic behind the market as a community is
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

17.03.2011 0:51, String пишет:
This graph is completely unlike any of my other apps, and I'll wager 
it's unlike most of yours too - except for you, Zsolt. Every other app 
is almost monotonically increasing, apart from very occasional (and 
small) peaks. This kind of wholesale dropoff is singular.


I'm seeing a 10% drop for both of my applications on January 1st. Anyone 
else?


This could be explained by lots of users getting new phones as gifts for 
New Year's and deciding to not reinstall, but I'm not sure if that's 
really it (they'd have to uninstall from the old phone first for this to 
be counted).


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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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Second sentence should have started "TreKing *asserts* that..."

Just goes to show you, spellchecking doesn't catch everything. :^)

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Marcin Orlowski]

>
> Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can
> dream, right?
>

All night long :/ Someonefrom google devs said (week or two ago) that noone
from Market
team is here

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[String]

OK, so here's something ironic... TreKing assets that breakages (like the 
install percentage) precede Market changes, right? Well, the recent addition 
of Statistics actually provides its own evidence for this view! I had one 
app - my top seller, of course - affected by the install percentage drop 
that this thread was originally about. And here is its "Accumulated 
installs" graph for the period in question:



This graph is completely unlike any of my other apps, and I'll wager it's 
unlike most of yours too - except for you, Zsolt. Every other app is almost 
monotonically increasing, apart from very occasional (and small) peaks. This 
kind of wholesale dropoff is singular.

I'm seriously hoping that this breakage - whatever it was - is now past, and 
the app in question will eventually return to normal sales levels. But it 
still sucks.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

17.03.2011 0:38, String ?:


This doesn't explain the ~20% discrepancy between total install 
numbers /for the same app/ on two different places in the dev console, 
though.




Yeah, that's something that bothers me too.

Would be great if someone from the Market team explained this - I can 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

>
>
> For example, 1.6 is shown as as having a 4.8% share in one, 7.1% in
> the other -- they are not even close.  So, my theory to discontinue
> 1.5 and 1.6 support became much murkier as I have no way of knowing
> which number is right and which one is BS.
>
>
It's not a matter of the overall averages in regards to v1.5 and 1.6.  I
would focus more on what your actual app percentages are instead of the
average over the whole Market.  For instance one of my apps has a total of
about 15-20% at v1.5 and 1.6 (spread evenly between the two).  I was
thinking about discontinuing support for 1.5 until I saw this.  This is
almost 1/5 of my user base that I would have alienated if I had done so.
 Keep in mind that these percentages vary greatly to what the Market average
is.  I think the Market average stuff is just to give you an idea of the
Android version trends more than anything else and you should treat it
accordingly.  And, since, in theory, the new statistics are updated nightly,
I would think that the market average numbers are more accurate than the
weekly/bi-weekly updated stats on the market share page.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

15.03.2011 19:53, TreKing пишет:



Right - I'm just saying the "global" one should just be shown in the 
platform-versions page in the docs.


Dunno. I like having a side by side comparison.

I know. They could show the same chart in two places!

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote:

> 15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing пишет:
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles  wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and
>> 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is
>> correct.
>
>
> That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this
> http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html 
> instead
> of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a
> non-descriptive title.
>
>
> Huh?
>
> There are two per-country breakdowns: one for the selected application, one
> global.
>

>
I'm also seeing 9.0% for South Korea - but that's under "Market all apps",
> which makes sense, it should be the same as everyone's.


Right - I'm just saying the "global" one should just be shown in the
platform-versions page in the docs.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

I guess they have a lot of Android phones out there :)

15.03.2011 19:43, Marcin Orlowski пишет:
> Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in 
Russia - and the apps are only localized to English and Russian.


For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise, South 
Korea. Seems I may have to consider doing korean localisation

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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> Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia -
and the apps are only localized to English and Russian.

For one of my app 80% of active installs is, to my big surprise, South
Korea. Seems I may have to consider doing korean localisation

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

15.03.2011 18:24, TreKing ?:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles > wrote:


I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for
US and 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I
hate assuming) is correct.


That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this 
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html instead 
of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a 
non-descriptive title.


Huh?

There are two per-country breakdowns: one for the selected application, 
one global.


I'm also seeing 9.0% for South Korea - but that's under "Market all 
apps", which makes sense, it should be the same as everyone's.


To the left of that, application specific per-country and per-language 
breakdowns show different numbers.


Funny thing is, I have more installations in South Korea than in Russia 
- and the apps are only localized to English and Russian.


Google should really consider getting UI designers. Or firing the ones 
they have if they do.


Yeah, they failed to use  to highlight global vs. application 
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Justin Giles  wrote:

> I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and
> 9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is
> correct.


That makes sense, thanks. One would think they would just update this
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html instead
of posting the same exact information on every dev's console with a
non-descriptive title.

Google should really consider getting UI designers. Or firing the ones they
have if they do.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Justin Giles  wrote:

>
>> Now the "Market for all apps", which I assume to be an average or
>> aggregate of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.?
>> And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ?
>>
>>
> I took that to mean the average across all apps and all developers.  So a
> Market wide average distribution.
>


I can confirm that for those categories, mine also says 57.7% for US and
9.0% for South Korea, so I believe my assumption (man I hate assuming) is
correct.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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>
>
> Now the "Market for all apps", which I assume to be an average or aggregate
> of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.?
> And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ?
>
>
I took that to mean the average across all apps and all developers.  So a
Market wide average distribution.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

I'm looking over these stats and this is just comical now.

I just have one app (technically two, free and paid version).

As you can probably tell, it's for public transit in Chicago. If you're not
aware, Chicago is in the U.S. The only place my app makes sense is in this
city, *in the US*.
In the Market console I've restricted the location to the U.S., since that's
the only place it makes sense.

Individually they are 98.7% and 99.7% in the US - fine, I can believe a few
got out somewhere for some reason. Maybe tourists visiting Chicago or
something.

Now the "Market for all apps", which I assume to be an average or aggregate
of all (in my case two) apps, is ... 57.7% U.S.?
And 9.0% is in *South Korea* ?

W ... T ... F ... ?

For shits and giggles I put in a ticket asking them to explain all of these
stats, where they come from, and what they really mean. We'll see what they
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Jonas Petersson]

On 2011-03-15 14:52, Zsolt Vasvari wrote:

In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO*
relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that
it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update
request.


Really?  My understanding was that if it wasn't installed from the
Market, you cannot update it from there either.


I have not verified recently, but a while back (say a year or so) I 
experienced that when my app was installed manually it would not 
AUTOMATICALLY update from Market, but as long as it was signed with the 
same key you could still manually request an update (this was a free app 
- perhaps there are other restrictions on paid apps) and from then on 
the automatic update would work.


I'm pretty sure this applies to the pre-installed GoogleMaps and GMail 
apps too.


Obviously, I have no idea how the stats were collected, but since the 
1.0 stats *ARE* there I'll have to assume it is true and that someone 
forcefully has connected it to Market - after all we are talking 
"pirate"-class users here so an "improved" firmware is reasonably likely.


Best / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

>
>
> Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn
> to take two seconds out of their life to explain what all of it actually
> means instead of us having to make wild guesses and theories? Man, that
> would be something ...
>
>
I think at the bottom of the screen, in really, really, really tiny print it
says "Interpretation of these statistics or anything regarding Android
Market is left as an exercise to the reader."
Maybe I just need new glasses...

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jonas Petersson wrote:

> My interpretation ...
>
> In fact, I'm pretty sure ...
>
> The reason I've deduced this ...
>
> Assuming these stats show what I think they do ...
>

Wouldn't it be great if someone from the Market team gave enough of a damn
to take two seconds out of their life to explain what all of it actually
means instead of us having to make wild guesses and theories? Man, that
would be something ...

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Jonas Petersson]

Hi all,

On 2011-03-15 13:48, TreKing wrote:

[]
Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page
says another.


Well, I had a brief look at this and I suspect you should think of this 
similar to how you review the Android version statistics.


My interpretation is that the install count on the front page is a sum 
from the day you published the app whereas the install count on the 
Statistics page only apply to the shown time period.


In fact, I'm pretty sure the statistics page install count has *NO* 
relation to whether it was actually downloaded from Market - just that 
it was installed on that particular phone during some kind of update 
request.


The reason I've deduced this is that a particular app of mine has is 
installed on 3 devices running Android 1.0 and I'm 100% sure I've never 
had minSDK set that low since. So those users must have "pirated" is and 
installed it sideways. It is a free app so I'm not really particularly 
bothered about this, but I consider it a hint on how these statistics 
were collected.


Assuming these stats show what I think they do, they are actually quite 
useful IMHO - for example it gives a fair hint of the languages used for 
my apps in specific countries.


Being able to drill down in for instance device or OS stats per country 
would be very useful too.


My few EUR-cents / Jonas

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Doug  wrote:

> But wait!  Now the Android Market will show you installation stats!
>

LOL - This is what competition is all about. Forcing the market to improve
it's "tools".

It's interesting.  Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1
> this year, and a similar drop the next few days.  Also, I had a sustained
> run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that.  None of this
> really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though.
>

Well it explains the drops in installs. Every time the Market Monkeys add a
new "feature" they break at least 2 other things in the process. It's their
way of letting us know somethings coming. God forbid they make a blog post
or send out an email.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> That's f-ed up:  According to my chart, my install # should be about 71%
> (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but the main
> page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is only 45%.
>
> I can only say one thing to this:  WTF
>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Doug  wrote:

> I wonder if there is maybe something going on with devices not phoning home
> properly to collect stats.  The notes at the bottom of the page seem to
> suggest that nothing you see there is really that reliable.


Seriously. The graphs says one install count, the total on the main page
says another. What's the point of this if it doesn't even work? Good grief -
even when the Market "improves", it's half-assed and makes you wonder what
the hell the point of it was.

Stats that don't make sense and can't be counted on!? Awesome, thanks
Google!

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

For me as well, the second page shows lesser numbers than the old, first 
one, by about 10%.


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15.03.2011 9:18, Zsolt Vasvari пишет:

On the other hand, my free app is the other way around.  More installs
are shown on the first page then on the chart...


On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

That's f-ed up:  According to my chart, my install # should be about
71% (what the graph shows / total installs from the main page), but
the main page shows nearly 50% fewer installs and thus my install % is
only 45%.

I can only say one thing to this:  WTF

On Mar 15, 1:23 pm, Doug  wrote:




But wait!  Now the Android Market will show you installation stats!
It's interesting.  Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1
this year, and a similar drop the next few days.  Also, I had a sustained
run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that.  None of this
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Doug]

But wait!  Now the Android Market will show you installation stats!

It's interesting.  Apparently I had a big install spike coming up to Jan 1 
this year, and a similar drop the next few days.  Also, I had a sustained 
run up through the middle of Feb, but then a drop after that.  None of this 
really explains the wacky numbers I've seen lately, though.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates while
> another market does.
>

I'd continue updating both, but focus on Amazon. Release updates to Amazon
first and to the Market a week or a month later. Price the Market one
higher. Encourage users on your blog / site / mailing list / whatever to buy
from Amazon instead.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

But existing users would rightfully get pissed if they got no updates
> while another market does.
>
>
Yeah, I understand that.  I guess my post earlier was a bit harsh towards
the users.  I was under the impression you were wanting to abandon the
Android market all together.  Anyway, from what I've heard, you don't have
any links to the Android market in your app, you don't have to make any
modifications to it in regards to posting it to Amazon.  It appears that the
only thing they ask you to change is to make sure that all of your market
links point to the listings in the Amazon market and not the Android Market.
 So, there are very, very minor modifications to fit into the Amazon market
(if any mods at all).  So, why not place your app in both markets, just
focus on the Amazon market for any new apps you write.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> I am absolutely planning on moving to the Amazon Market, but how do I
> do it?
>
> I cannot just unpublish the app as, I assume, the LVL would fail for
> the current users.  I guess I could just raise the price to $999 and
> then direct them to the Amazon Market in the app description, but I
> assume that's somehow against the Android Market terms.  So I don't
> think there is a really good way to move your app over.
>
>

You can have the app listed in multiple markets.  Just don't update the one
in the Android Market.  Consider it passive income when and if people buy it
from there.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> My sales have absolutely tanked and it's no longer a worthwhile for me to
> maintain the app.  One more release for Honeycomb and that's it for me.
>

Man, don't give it up 'cause of fucktards behind the Market. Publish on the
Amazon Appstore. They announced the next Angry Birds will be exclusive to
that store for the Android version which is a huge win for Amazon and means
there are going to be *millions* of people going to the store just for that
game and will be browsing and checking out apps through an interface that
doesn't completely suck ass.

Couple that with useful statistics (based on the sample they provide),
actual developer support (I've been in contact with a human being - with a
name!), and people with competence running the thing, this should definitely
be a better climate for most developers. Hell, even the developer of the
current biggest mobile game franchise doesn't think the Android Market is
worth their time. That's saying something. Amazon can't open soon enough.

http://www.amazonappstoredev.com/2011/03/angry-birds.html

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM, gjs  wrote:

> Be interested if they do eventually provide an explanation & whether the
> install % jumps back to before.
>

My money's on "no" and "no".

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Brill Pappin]

Wow, I was worried about one of my keyboards dropping from 65% to 60%, but 
if others are seeing a 35%-40% average, I guess I should be happy!

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

Like I said before, I sort of agree with Roger's assessment.  That being
said, my percentage for my pay app has dropped by 4% in the past 3 days.


On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Roger Podacter wrote:

> I really think it is just an auto sweep that corrects the installed
> base numbers to account for uninstallations performed outside the
> market. If I remove an app on my phone, but not connected to the web,
> the market service must pick that up at a later date. I think Google
> does sweeps like this in waves, all at once every few weeks or some
> interval. It is likely just correcting itself to match the numbers.
> Especially for phones that are wiped, flashed, or formatted, the
> market doesn't get that data till later.
>
> On Mar 7, 10:46 pm, gjs  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Do you suddenly have some more competition ?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2:10 pm, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Also, ranking is down to #10, sales are off at least 50%.
> >
> > > On Mar 8, 11:05 am, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:
> >
> > > > 44% -- anybody wants to take a bet how long it will be before I lose
> > > > all my users?
> >
> > > > On Mar 7, 9:24 pm, TreKing  wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, ZsoltVasvari
> wrote:
> > > > > > There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and
> none of the
> > > > > > topics apply in my case.
> >
> > > > > Just pick one - maybe the "bugs" one - it's the closest you're
> going to get
> > > > > to support for this issue.
> >
> > > > >
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Marcin Orlowski]

>> On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored
>> with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out.
>
> Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for "Talking Tom Cat" on
> the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been
> there since the new Market was released. Apparently no other apps are worth
> featuring.

You apparently have to add "Talking" to your app title to make things
work better.


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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, DraganA  wrote:

> On the other hand, maybe Google realized that a lot of people are bored
> with seeeing the same old apps on the front Market page week in week out.
>

Seriously. Every time I see the giant promo graphic for "Talking Tom Cat" on
the Market main screen, I want to punch my phone in the face. It's been
there since the new Market was released. Apparently no other apps are worth
featuring.

However, Zsolt is talking about ranking per category, which makes no goddamn
sense. The app above mine has the same download range, but 1/5 the number of
ratings and 4 star ratings vs my 4.5. Someone riddle me that.

And to throw in another "me too", I was fine at the beginning of this
thread, when I took note of my %. It had actually been trending up, so I'd
assumed the gnomes finally fixed something. As of this post, it's dropped
8%, 5 of which was literally overnight, and I'm down 3 spots as well.
Fortunately sales remain fairly consistent.

Oh well, as usual, there's nothing but complaining to be done about it. Just
keep doing what you're doing and hope to succeed in spite of the Android
Market being utter garbage.

Psst, hey Amazon, can you open up already?

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[TreKing]

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> There is no free-form e-mail option there that I can see, and none of the
> topics apply in my case.
>

Just pick one - maybe the "bugs" one - it's the closest you're going to get
to support for this issue.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Justin Giles]

Hate to break this to you, but I have never had my % "restored."  If
anything, the percentage slowly corrects itself but never recovers to the
original amount.  What I highly suspect this is (in most cases), a
correction.  What I mean by correction is that when someone uninstalls you
app, it might not register as being uninstalled by the Market.  Say, for
instance, someone wipes their phone without going through the normal
uninstall channels.  I can see where some counts might get lost.  So,
periodically, there will be some corrections made that seem like huge drops,
but are, in reality, the actual install percentage at the time.  Again, this
is all speculation, but it is how I have reasoned things out in my head so
that I don't have to fret over it anymore.  Good luck!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:

> I am asking anybody from the Google team (Dianne? anybody really) even
> if they are not on the Market team, to please notify somebody on the
> Market team about this thread.  I am not expecting a response, only
> that my install % be restored.
>
> On Mar 5, 10:50 am, Doug  wrote:
> > My app has dropped significantly in rankings as well.  Used to be around
> #6,
> > not hovering at #10.  I've wondered if it had anything to do with with
> > install % problems.  I don't have anything empirical to link the two
> events,
> > other than that they happened around the same time.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

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On 4 March 2011 10:26, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:
>> keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed
>> ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at
>> 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads
>
> It was 62% yesterday -- it's 56%

And how about other figures? Installs and active installs? %value is
just ratio between these two. I'd not care it much, unless you really
enjoy having 2 installs and 1 active installs (which gives 50%) over
100k installs and 10k active installs (which gives 10%).

> today...

So? One of my app's figures doubled over night as it seem some crowded
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Marcin Orlowski]

On 4 March 2011 09:53, Marcin Orlowski  wrote:
> On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent  wrote:
>> Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I
>> wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking.
>> On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:
>>> My app went from 62% to 56% in one day  Say it all...
>
> IMHO it's quite normal, so do not cry :) Don't think there's much you
> can do. I'd rather say it's quite common (and 56% is quite high
> anyway). The longer app is on market the value be lower as much more
> users will download it and test and uninstall. And howveer some will
> keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed
> ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at
> 35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Install % drop again?

[Marcin Orlowski]

On 4 March 2011 09:03, Pent  wrote:
> Yeah, 64 to 52 a couple of weeks ago, slowly slipped down to 47 now. I
> wouldn't mind if it wasn't a disaster for ranking.
> On Mar 4, 6:50 am, Zsolt Vasvari  wrote:
>> My app went from 62% to 56% in one day  Say it all...

IMHO it's quite normal, so do not cry :) Don't think there's much you
can do. I'd rather say it's quite common (and 56% is quite high
anyway). The longer app is on market the value be lower as much more
users will download it and test and uninstall. And howveer some will
keep it (so your userbase will grow anyway), the download to installed
ratio will go down. My observation is that is usually oscilate at
35%-40% for most apps with 50k and more downloads

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