[Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Since most of the infrastructure (lockdown file, autobuilder, etc) is in place now, we can start preparing for the release of angstrom 2007.x. My proposed target date is the 20071220, so we can get it out before the developers get too busy with x-mas and birthdays of various core members :) A long time ago we made a rough plan on how to do the release, so here it is for review: 1) make a list of machines we can support *now*[1] 2) have mentors gather reports on how well various images work[4] 3) update (or add) install instructions for those to the angstrom website (not wiki)[2] when that's done, we get to infrastructure: 4) branch of metadata into e.g org.angstrom-distribution.2007-release-branch 5) point feed configs to the release location [3] 6) create a list of packages people want in the feeds and have the autobuilder build them for all archs 7) have the autobuilder build the combination supported images and machines as RCx 8) have people test images 9) fix bugs, goto 7 :) 10) release As you see, the plan needs everyone of us to chip in at various stages, so we need a broad consensus on how to move forward. So, your input is *very* needed. And we still need a formal releaseteam for this release. I'm low on time the coming month, but luckily people were jumping up and down to get into the coreteam, so they can handle everything from now on. regards, Koen [1] We can add additional machines and images later on when possible [2] send a mail to angstrom-distro-coreteam if you want access to the website [3] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2007-April/000194.html [4] I'd like to delay the support of opie to after the release to avoid having another set of problems for the release; see remark [1] - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go go away in december 2007, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHRVLDMkyGM64RGpERAty9AJ4vivseQw+B6oVModgS3OjKDtRFDQCgtFiA 2UR94T7ay3BwOY3BgNYeDQs= =I0fJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
The plans look good and I will try and assist as I can, but this is a busy time of year for me so it is likely I won't get much time. Graeme ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Koen Kooi wrote: > [4] I'd like to delay the support of opie to after the release to > avoid having another set of problems for the release; see remark [1] This is somewhat frustrating, but I can appreciate the situation you are in, and it is good to hear that you are at least thinking about us (thanks!) Keep in mind though that Angstrom is currently the only hope of getting up-to-date versions of Opie into the hands of users, so I hope that "later on" is not too much later on than early January. Cheers, Paul ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hello Koen, Thursday, November 22, 2007, 11:58:27 AM, you wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hi, > Since most of the infrastructure (lockdown file, autobuilder, etc) is in > place now, we can start preparing for the release of angstrom 2007.x. > My proposed target date is the 20071220, so we can get it out before the > developers get too busy with x-mas and birthdays of various core members :) Sounds good. It's pretty close, but there're few days left in 2007 anyway ;-). > A long time ago we made a rough plan on how to do the release, so here > it is for review: > 1) make a list of machines we can support *now*[1] I propose h4000 & hx4700, I have both on my hands and can do needed QAing. > 2) have mentors gather reports on how well various images work[4] > 3) update (or add) install instructions for those to the angstrom > website (not wiki)[2] Someone really need to come up with generic installation instructions suitable for any device. Let it be abstract intro followed by device-family specific howto's, but having hacky per-device per-somebody's-likes howtos is plain firefighting. > when that's done, we get to infrastructure: > 4) branch of metadata into e.g > org.angstrom-distribution.2007-release-branch > 5) point feed configs to the release location [3] > 6) create a list of packages people want in the feeds and have the > autobuilder build them for all archs > 7) have the autobuilder build the combination supported images and > machines as RCx > 8) have people test images > 9) fix bugs, goto 7 :) > 10) release > As you see, the plan needs everyone of us to chip in at various stages, > so we need a broad consensus on how to move forward. So, your input is > *very* needed. > And we still need a formal releaseteam for this release. I'm low on time > the coming month, but luckily people were jumping up and down to get > into the coreteam, so they can handle everything from now on. I'm without permanent inet these weeks (months?), and this week even w/o much inet at all ;-(. Still, I hope that stuff will get going. As long as it is not somebody's personal firefighting and not multi-vector competing efforts (we don't seem to have any of these), and we're aim-oriented, it should be ok. > regards, > Koen > [1] We can add additional machines and images later on when possible > [2] send a mail to angstrom-distro-coreteam if you want access to the > website > [3] > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2007-April/000194.html > [4] I'd like to delay the support of opie to after the release to avoid > having another set of problems for the release; see remark [1] Yep, no talk about OPIE images release - there're not even enough test images for different machines, but still I'd like to keep matter going. So, if there're any organizational issues with setting up OPIE feeds (of the same status as images - "unsupported"), I'd like to know them, otherwise, I'm going to post RFC for specific server/HTTP location when time permits. -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hello Paul, Friday, November 23, 2007, 10:25:53 AM, you wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Koen Kooi wrote: >> [4] I'd like to delay the support of opie to after the release to >> avoid having another set of problems for the release; see remark [1] > This is somewhat frustrating, but I can appreciate the situation you are in, > and it is good to hear that you are at least thinking about us (thanks!) "You" here == we. > Keep in mind though that Angstrom is currently the only hope of getting > up-to-date versions of Opie into the hands of users, so I hope that "later > on" is not too much later on than early January. It depends on noone else but people interested in OPIE themselves. Since all recent talks about OPIE, I still see no new images in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/unsupported-images/ . So, why ask for something which doesn't have presuppositions for ready? Paul, I saw commits from your name in OE, so I assume you have commit access. Why not start building and uploading images now? Pointing finger at myself, with all the lacking Internet I have, I'm working on other issues, like crating an installation process suitable for mere user to pursue, and fixing what is official Angstrom GUI framework now. > Cheers, > Paul -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Thanks for getting this started. > 1) make a list of machines we can support *now*[1] I'm in posession of * SL-5500 * SL-5600 * SL-C750 * SL-C3200 I will reserve as much of one full day as necessary for testing images on these models (probably Friday or Saturday though). I have no opinion whether to include or exclude Opie, I'll agree with the majority here. Regards, :M: -- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
I have an OSK (and a mistral display for it). I can test the console images, I'm having trouble flashing the X11 images due to some size issues. Philip Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Thanks for getting this started. > >> 1) make a list of machines we can support *now*[1] > > I'm in posession of > > * SL-5500 > * SL-5600 > * SL-C750 > * SL-C3200 > > I will reserve as much of one full day as necessary for testing images > on these models (probably Friday or Saturday though). > > I have no opinion whether to include or exclude Opie, I'll agree with > the majority here. > > Regards, > > :M: ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Paul Sokolovsky wrote: > Paul, I saw commits from your name in OE, so I assume you have > commit access. Well at the moment that is not the case - I can only assume that they were just put under my name in the changelog since (to my knowledge anyway) I do not have an account. Right now I must rely upon yourself, Michael (Krelin) and recently Marcin to commit changes for me. > Why not start building and uploading images now? > Pointing finger at myself, with all the lacking Internet I have, I'm > working on other issues, like crating an installation process suitable > for mere user to pursue, and fixing what is official Angstrom GUI > framework now. OK. I guess I was waiting for the official Angstrom Opie maintainers to do these things, but if you are asking me to do them then I am happy to do so provided I have all the tools. Cheers, Paul ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hello Paul, Monday, November 26, 2007, 9:46:25 PM, you wrote: [] >> Why not start building and uploading images now? >> Pointing finger at myself, with all the lacking Internet I have, I'm >> working on other issues, like crating an installation process suitable >> for mere user to pursue, and fixing what is official Angstrom GUI >> framework now. > OK. I guess I was waiting for the official Angstrom Opie maintainers to do > these things, but if you are asking me to do them then I am happy to do so > provided I have all the tools. OPIE won't be supported by Angstrom until there will be confirmed team supporting it. At the peak, there were 3 people on that team, then 2, now Michael and me only semi-online. If lack of general-availability distro support for OPIE is your pain point, then you're in good position to join this team. There were recently posted instruction on how to request access to Angstrom site, mirrored at http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/MachineMentors . > Cheers, > Paul -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
> >> OK. I guess I was waiting for the official Angstrom Opie maintainers to do >> these things, but if you are asking me to do them then I am happy to do so >> provided I have all the tools. > > OPIE won't be supported by Angstrom until there will be confirmed > team supporting it. At the peak, there were 3 people on that team, > then 2, now Michael and me only semi-online. If lack of > general-availability distro support for OPIE is your pain point, then > you're in good position to join this team. I'm watching this silently due to the lack of... well, let's say lack of myself :-), but I think it's time for me to chime in and state the obvious: one more more or less available maintainer won't hurt. Love, H ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
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On 11/27/2007 04:14 PM, Michael Krelin wrote: >>> OK. I guess I was waiting for the official Angstrom Opie maintainers to do >>> these things, but if you are asking me to do them then I am happy to do so >>> provided I have all the tools. >> OPIE won't be supported by Angstrom until there will be confirmed >> team supporting it. At the peak, there were 3 people on that team, >> then 2, now Michael and me only semi-online. If lack of >> general-availability distro support for OPIE is your pain point, then >> you're in good position to join this team. > > I'm watching this silently due to the lack of... well, let's say lack of > myself :-), but I think it's time for me to chime in and state the > obvious: one more more or less available maintainer won't hurt. +1 from me in support of opie. From my brief test, opie seems a bit more mature than gpe on the Tosa. The burden of opie, nevertheless, is to bring up-to-date/test/repackage quite a few qtopia frontend packages in the user space, which I hope I can help while the opie developers can focus on opie itself. Regards Gordon ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Dnia środa, 28 listopada 2007, Junqian Gordon Xu napisał: > On 11/27/2007 04:14 PM, Michael Krelin wrote: > >> OPIE won't be supported by Angstrom until there will be confirmed > >> team supporting it. At the peak, there were 3 people on that team, > >> then 2, now Michael and me only semi-online. If lack of > >> general-availability distro support for OPIE is your pain point, > >> then you're in good position to join this team. > > > > I'm watching this silently due to the lack of... well, let's say lack > > of myself :-), but I think it's time for me to chime in and state the > > obvious: one more more or less available maintainer won't hurt. > > +1 from me in support of opie. +1 from me too. Let get Ångström released first anyway. OPIE-Ångström team will then provide feeds and images for selected set of devices. > From my brief test, opie seems a bit more mature than gpe on the Tosa. GPE... I would like to see more OpenMoko components instead. But this needs some time as their Today application is a bit hardcoded now. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering. -- Yoda ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hello Florian, Friday, November 30, 2007, 5:16:08 PM, you wrote: > Hi, > Paul Sokolovsky schrieb: >> I spent like 3 full work sessions on fixing obvious usability goofs >> in GPE - and that's only in the first-spot areas like suspend/resume, >> login, etc. I also start to wonder if I waste my time? Is > I would love to get some more information about these issues. Time is limited, > but with some more detailed information about current issues it would be much > easier to help getting them fixed. First batch was submitted as http://bugs.linuxtogo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 , 124, 125. Next batch has been just pushed to OE, I'll submit them to GPE bugtracker later - I'm very short of inet now ;-(. Just hope you can have a look at those in the meantime ;-). > Greetings > Florian -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hello Marcin, Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 10:35:12 AM, you wrote: [] > GPE... I would like to see more OpenMoko components instead. But this > needs some time as their Today application is a bit hardcoded now. I spent like 3 full work sessions on fixing obvious usability goofs in GPE - and that's only in the first-spot areas like suspend/resume, login, etc. I also start to wonder if I waste my time? Is openmoko-image buildable for Angstrom? I started to bitbake it, but saw that it's starts with building few *-native packages with the versions differing from normal angstrom images. -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Hi, Paul Sokolovsky schrieb: > I spent like 3 full work sessions on fixing obvious usability goofs > in GPE - and that's only in the first-spot areas like suspend/resume, > login, etc. I also start to wonder if I waste my time? Is I would love to get some more information about these issues. Time is limited, but with some more detailed information about current issues it would be much easier to help getting them fixed. Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: +49 271-771091-15 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: +49 271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904][EMAIL PROTECTED] 1D78 2D4D 6C53 1CA4 5588 D07B A8E7 940C 25B7 9A76 ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
On Nov 27, 2007 9:48 PM, Junqian Gordon Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/2007 04:14 PM, Michael Krelin wrote: > >>> OK. I guess I was waiting for the official Angstrom Opie maintainers to do > >>> these things, but if you are asking me to do them then I am happy to do so > >>> provided I have all the tools. > >> OPIE won't be supported by Angstrom until there will be confirmed > >> team supporting it. At the peak, there were 3 people on that team, > >> then 2, now Michael and me only semi-online. If lack of > >> general-availability distro support for OPIE is your pain point, then > >> you're in good position to join this team. > > > > I'm watching this silently due to the lack of... well, let's say lack of > > myself :-), but I think it's time for me to chime in and state the > > obvious: one more more or less available maintainer won't hurt. > > +1 from me in support of opie. From my brief test, opie seems a bit more > mature than gpe on the Tosa. The burden of opie, nevertheless, is to > bring up-to-date/test/repackage quite a few qtopia frontend packages in > the user space, which I hope I can help while the opie developers can > focus on opie itself. > SDG Systems will have one person available 10-20 hours per week to help with the Opie work. We will help to support the hx4700, and our TDS products. They will begin helping later this week. -- Todd ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SDG Systems schreef: > SDG Systems will have one person available 10-20 hours per week to > help with the Opie work. We will help to support the hx4700, and our > TDS products. They will begin helping later this week. Could you coordinate the opie work with the two Pauls? regards, Koen - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go go away in december 2007, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHVZVKMkyGM64RGpERAtBlAJ9IaPPrxUYTg09+cHg0Pe6uyetXBgCeICgp WA+fEPFwhw/MpEUfUvPJR5Q= =LU3R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
Re: [Angstrom-devel] Preparing for the release
Todd Blumer wrote: > SDG Systems will have one person available 10-20 hours per week to > help with the Opie work. We will help to support the hx4700, and our > TDS products. They will begin helping later this week. Wow, that's fantastic news! :) As Koen suggests, please let me know how we can best coordinate our efforts. Some things that I have been thinking about lately (which really apply to all of the GUIs, not just Opie): 1) Basic tests - it would be useful to have a list of things to test when trying images on each machine. Ideally most of these tests should be things that are likely to break on different hardware, ie. all buttons work as expected, suspend/resume, etc. 2) How to collect/manage test results. We will have our own test findings to record as well as those emailed in by testers. Would a wiki page be appropriate for this? Do we want a separate page for each hardware device? Are the Angstrom developers happy for Opie test results to be on these pages even though it is unsupported at the moment, or do we want a separate set of pages for each GUI environment? If no-one objects I will start to build up some pages on the LTG wiki for these two items. Cheers, Paul ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
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On Dec 4, 2007 3:11 PM, Paul Eggleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Todd Blumer wrote: > > SDG Systems will have one person available 10-20 hours per week to > > help with the Opie work. We will help to support the hx4700, and our > > TDS products. They will begin helping later this week. > > Wow, that's fantastic news! :) As Koen suggests, please let me know how we > can best coordinate our efforts. > > Some things that I have been thinking about lately (which really apply to > all of the GUIs, not just Opie): > > 1) Basic tests - it would be useful to have a list of things to test when > trying images on each machine. Ideally most of these tests should be > things that are likely to break on different hardware, ie. all buttons > work as expected, suspend/resume, etc. > > 2) How to collect/manage test results. We will have our own test findings > to record as well as those emailed in by testers. Would a wiki page be > appropriate for this? Do we want a separate page for each hardware device? > Are the Angstrom developers happy for Opie test results to be on these > pages even though it is unsupported at the moment, or do we want a > separate set of pages for each GUI environment? > > If no-one objects I will start to build up some pages on the LTG wiki for > these two items. > Sounds good. I have copied Ben, who will join the appropriate mailing lists, and begin communicating on what needs to be done for Opie. ___ Angstrom-distro-devel mailing list Angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/angstrom-distro-devel
