Re: US admits editing bin Laden video [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[G.R.]

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...
>The Pentagon has declined to release a more complete version of the
>transcript, despite claims in the US press, corroborated by independent
>translators who studied it carefully, that the gaps coincide with
>information that could embarass Saudi Arabia, an important US ally in
>the Middle East.
...
What if the tape was released also, exactly to embarass Saudi Arabia?

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OT. Re: Gori celebrates Stalin's birthday [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[G.R.]

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At 23:14 -0500 12/21/01, Barry Stoller wrote:
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>
>
>CNN. 21 December 2001. Stalin's birth marked in home town.
>
>GORI, Georgia - The 122nd anniversary of the birth of former Soviet
>leader Josef Stalin as been celebrated in his Georgian home town.
...

Related with Stalin but not to this post I would like to ask if 
anybody knows more about the "Moscow trials" and would like to share 
some info with me. Links, bibliography, anything else would be great. 
Privately also will be fine so as we don'r add traffic to the list.

TIA

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Fw: [AL-AWDA-News] Nonviolent march Bethelehem - Jerusalem 31 December2001 [WWW.

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

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Subject: [AL-AWDA-News] Nonviolent march Bethelehem - Jerusalem 31
December2001


> From: Rapprochement Centre
>
> To all partners of Pax Christi International
>
> Non-violent "justice and peace" march
>
> Bethlehem - Jerusalem, 31 December 2001
>
> Reference:  657PLE
Brussels, 18 December 2001
>
> Dear friends,
>
>
> We would like to draw your attention to the following initiative on the
last day of the year, December 31, 2001. A "justice and peace" march leading
from Bethlehem through the main checkpoint into Jerusalem will be organised.
The march will culminate in a human chain around the Old City walls
symbolizing a protective embracement. The president of Pax Christi
International, Mgr. Michel Sabbah, will lead the march in Bethlehem together
with other church and religious representatives.
>
> The non-violent "justice and peace" march is designed to make two simple
but powerful demands for the new year:  "Open Jerusalem" and "End
Occupation"
>
> In announcing these demands, the marchers wish to express their deep-felt
commitment to end the suffering and violence, and to work for a peace marked
by justice and reconciliation. The march will be accompanied by
international civilian observers who will form a "tunnel of protection" in
front of the Bethlehem/Jerusalem checkpoint. They will also join the human
chain.
>
> During the march, participants will be encouraged to sing or pray. Local
and international music groups will be invited to play. Participants will
hold olive branches and wear various articles like caps, buttons and ribbons
with the campaign sign. There will be moments of silence to commemorate all
the victims of the violence. Wishes and prayers coming from persons from all
over the world will be attached to balloons and distributed among the
participants. At the Lion's Gate, the balloons will be released, a gesture
to symbolize the universal right to freedom. There will be texts in Arabic,
English en Hebrew to explain the march's aims and the non-violent nature.
>
> The Bethlehem-Jerusalem march will fall under the responsibility of the
Heads of the Churches in Jerusalem; Grassroots International Protection for
the Palestinian People (GIPP); Civil organizations in the Bethlehem area
including Arab Educational Institute (AEI), Palestinian Center for
Rapprochement between Peoples, Conflict Resolution Center Wi'am, Arab
Orthodox Society and  the Scouts Troops Leaders in Bethlehem. The United
Civilians for Peace (UCP) will take part in the preparations as observer.
The march is prepared in coordination with the High Islamic Council of the
Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
>
> Pax Christi International repeats its appeal to its members and others to
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peace to Bethlehem. Please do this before 25 December 2001. The prayers will
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FSeumas Milne: "The innocent dead in a coward's war" (Guardian) [WWW.STOPNATO.OR

[Stasi]

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The innocent dead in a coward's 
war Estimates suggest US bombs have killed at least 3,767 civilians 
Seumas MilneThursday 
December 20, 2001The Guardian 
The price in blood that 
has already been paid for America's war against terror is only now starting to 
become clear. Not by Britain or the US, nor even so far by the al-Qaida and 
Taliban leaders held responsible for the September 11 attacks on New York and 
Washington. It has instead been paid by ordinary Afghans, who had nothing 
whatever to do with the atrocities, didn't elect the Taliban theocrats who ruled 
over them and had no say in the decision to give house room to Bin Laden and his 
friends. 
The Pentagon has been characteristically coy about how many people it 
believes have died under the missiles it has showered on Afghanistan. Acutely 
sensitive to the impact on international support for the war, spokespeople have 
usually batted away reports of civilian casualties with a casual "these cannot 
be independently confirmed", or sometimes simply denied the deaths occurred at 
all. The US media have been particularly helpful. Seven weeks into the bombing 
campaign, the Los Angeles Times only felt able to hazard the guess that "at 
least dozens of civilians" had been killed. 
Now, for the first time, a systematic independent study has been carried out 
into civilian casualties in Afghanistan by Marc Herold, a US economics professor 
at the University of New Hampshire. Based on corroborated reports from aid 
agencies, the UN, eyewitnesses, TV stations, newspapers and news agencies around 
the world, Herold estimates that at least 3,767 civilians were killed by US 
bombs between October 7 and December 10. That is an average of 62 innocent 
deaths a day - and an even higher figure than the 3,234 now thought to have been 
killed in New York and Washington on September 11. 
Of course, Herold's total is only an estimate. But what is impressive about 
his work is not only the meticulous cross-checking, but the conservative 
assumptions he applies to each reported incident. The figure does not include 
those who died later of bomb injuries; nor those killed in the past 10 days; nor 
those who have died from cold and hunger because of the interruption of aid 
supplies or because they were forced to become refugees by the bombardment. It 
does not include military deaths (estimated by some analysts, partly on the 
basis of previous experience of the effects of carpet-bombing, to be upwards of 
10,000), or those prisoners who were slaughtered in Mazar-i-Sharif, 
Qala-i-Janghi, Kandahar airport and elsewhere. 
Champions of the war insist that such casualties are an unfortunate, but 
necessary, byproduct of a just campaign to root out global terror networks. They 
are a world apart, they argue, from the civilian victims of the attacks on the 
World Trade Centre because, in the case of the Afghan civilians, the US did not 
intend to kill them. 
In fact, the moral distinction is far fuzzier, to put it at its most 
generous. As Herold argues, the high Afghan civilian death rate flows directly 
from US (and British) tactics and targeting. The decision to rely heavily on 
high-altitude air power, target urban infrastructure and repeatedly attack 
heavily populated towns and villages has reflected a deliberate trade-off of the 
lives of American pilots and soldiers, not with those of their declared Taliban 
enemies, but with Afghan civilians. Thousands of innocents have died over the 
past two months, not mainly as an accidental byproduct of the decision to 
overthrow the Taliban regime, but because of the low value put on Afghan 
civilian lives by US military planners. 
Raids on targets such as the Kajakai dam power station, Kabul's telephone 
exchange, the al-Jazeera TV station office, lorries and buses filled with 
refugees and civilian fuel trucks were not mistakes. Nor were the deaths that 
they caused. The same goes for the use of anti-personnel cluster bombs in urban 
areas. But western public opinion has become increasingly desensitised to what 
has been done in its name. After US AC-130 gunships strafed the farming village 
of Chowkar-Karez in October, killing at least 93 civilians, a Pentagon official 
felt able to remark: "the people there are dead because we wanted them dead", 
while US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld commented: "I cannot deal with that 
particular village." 
Yesterday, Rumsfeld inadvertently conceded what little impact the Afghan 
campaign (yet to achieve its primary aim of bringing Bin Laden and the al-Qaida 
leadership to justice) has had on the terrorist threat, by speculating about 
ever more cataclysmic attacks, including on London. There will be no official 
two-minute silence for the Afghan dead, no newspaper obituaries or memorial 
services attended by the prime minister, as there were for the victims of the 
twin towers. But what has been cruelly demonstrated is

Re: Iraq Said To Have Recovered To Pre-Gulf War WMD Level [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[STEVE KACZYNSKI]

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I agree. There is no way Iraq could have recovered militarily to the 
pre-Gulf War level, when it traded freely and had foreign weaponry almost 
lavished upon it.
It looks like a clumsy attempt to justify further aggression against it, 
especially if attacking Somalia or Yemen proves not to be a very convincing 
extension of the "war on terror".
I am also wondering if the raid on a Djibouti ship on route to England was 
not an attempt to justify attacking Somalia or Yemen. If so, it seems to 
have gone off half-cocked.

Steve K.
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>Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:48:44 +0900
>
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>
>At 15:04 -0500 12/21/01, mart wrote:
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>>I somehow doubt this. Previous to the Gulf war, the U.S and it's
>>German proxies, poured literally *billions* of dollars in weapons
>>and other military aid into their then "ally" Iraq. Now these same
>>bastards would have us believe that despite 10 years
>>of murderous and debilitating sanctions, a full blown naval blockade
>>and ongoing
>>and continuous air raids, the Iraqi's have somehow miraculously
>>rebuilt their military strength to  pre 1991 levels! This so called
>>"news" item is an obvious propaganda plant, designed to justify
>>another war with Iraq.
>>mart
>...
>Thanx for commenting on something which by looking the tremendous
>effort by all the President's men (what a coincidence - Wolfowitz,
>Rumsfeld, Ari Fleisher, Brezinski, Albright etc.) and the preparation
>of  "our best ally" points out that this is just media conveniently
>adopting the interpretation that the Pentagon wants them to adopt as
>usual,  and the real agenta has nothing to do with truth or justice.
>
>




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Re: Fw: [iac-disc.] War is Working for Bush: [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[STEVE KACZYNSKI]

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I think the operative phrase is "freedom fascism".

Steve K.
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>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:34:53 -0500
>
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>
>- Original Message -
>From: Vicki Andrada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:00 PM
>Subject: Fw: [iac-disc.] War is Working for Bush:
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>  to visit my home page go to:
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>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Rania Masri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:27 PM
>  Subject: [iac-disc.] War is Working for Bush:
>
>  From Counterpunch.org
>
>   December 21, 2001
>
>   War is Working for Bush:
>   Osama Becomes Saddam; Iraq Becomes the Scapegoat for
>   U.S.Government-Produced   Anthrax Terror
>   By Tom Turnipseed
>
>  Polls in the United States show unprecedented support for George W. Bush
>and his leadership in the victory of the world's sole super-power over the
>destitute nation of Afghanistan, and its rag-tag Taliban government.
>
>Bush has become enormously popular and empowered by war. He is cheered
>on by a jingoistic and flag-waving media, from pandering pundits and
>admiring
>anchors to the travel industry employing Bush's visage in television
>commercials telling you that to be a good American and help win the war,
>you must hurry and buy your tickets. Bush destroyed the tattered Taliban in
>Afghanistan with a mighty display of hi-tech bombing aided by local 
>warlords
>and warriors on the ground. He and his fellow warlords in Washington are
>  planning where and how to keep the war momentum going now that the "the
>  most evil one," Osama bin-Laden, appears to have vamoosed. In his Texas
>cowboy cockiness that thinly disguises his rich Ivy League frat boy roots,
>Bush
>has  said he would get Osama "dead, or alive," but, at least for now, the
>  object  of the greatest manhunt since Jesse James has escaped the noose.
>
>Luckily, for George W., the perfect stand-in for the elusive Osama bin
>Laden  is the arch-villain of his father, Saddam Hussein. Under his father,
>  President George H. W. Bush's leadership, Saddam's relatively affluent
>  country of Iraq was reduced to poverty by the Persian-Gulf War of 1991
>  and  by the U.S.-driven economic sanctions continuing since the War. In
>that War,  more bombs were dropped on Iraq than the total dropped by
>both sides in all  of World War II. An estimated 150,000 Iraqis were killed
>with at least 1,000,000 more dying since due to the economic sanctions.
>
>The elder Bush demonized Saddam as another Hitler, but withdrew U.S.
>forces from Iraq  before finishing off Saddam Hussein and his government
>after Kuwaiti oil  fields were secured for U.S. oil interests. The elder
>Bush
>also received the  adulation of the American public with favorable ratings
>of
>90% in the polls  at the height of the patriotic fervor of winning the war
>against
>Iraq.
>
>  The  passion of patriotism cooled with the layoffs of a recession and the
>  elder  Bush lost the election to Bill Clinton in 1992. But now the war
>against
>  terrorism is an all-encompassing global struggle, so with Cowboy George,
>  it  is on to other impoverished Islamic countries "who might be harboring
>terrorists."
>
>  While there is military action brewing in the squalor of smaller Muslim
>  countries like Yemen, Somalia and Sudan, the big enchilada for Cowboy
>  George  the younger could be Iraq. Saddam is like Osama in that he came
>into his
>  own  in militaristic terrorism in a United States-backed war against Iran
>in
>  the  1980s, killing 1,000,000 people - much like the U.S. recruited Osama
>  into the military business as a mujahedeen leader to terrorize the 
>Soviets
>  out of Afghanistan in the early 1980s. Anthrax cultures were supplied to
>Iraq
>  by a Virginia firm, the American Type Culture Collection Company in 1985.
>  Saddam has been demonized as a fiendish monster for more than ten years 
>and
>  there is an ol' family score to settle.
>
>  Cowboy George has demanded Iraq allow U.N. inspections for chemical,
>  biological, and nuclear weapons or they will find out what happens if
>  they don't. Scott Ritter, an ex-U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from the
>  United States, has repeatedly said that such weapons had "been destroyed
>or rendered harmless by 1998."
>
>On December 20, the New York Times ran a  front page story about a
>"defector" from Iraq, who is Kurdish and a member of a group opposing
>Hussein called the Iraqi National Congress. He said he was an engineer who
>had "personally worked on renovations of secret fa

Japan: Coast guard sinks unidentified vessel - Ananova [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Stasi]

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Ananova :

Japanese coast guard sinks unidentified vessel
===

An unidentified fishing boat defence officials say might have been spying
was sunk off southwestern Japan after trading shots with coast guard
vessels.

The boat, which was marked with Chinese characters, was cruising in Japan's
exclusive economic zone near Ama mi Oshima island when it was detected by a
Japanese naval surveillance aircraft.

Patrol vessels and aircraft gave chase after it disregarded orders to stop
and fled west towards China.

After firing several warning shots, a coast guard vessel hit the stern of
the boat with a burst of machine-gun fire, starting a blaze that was later
extinguished, Japan Coast Guard spokesman Yoji Osaka said.

The boat briefly halted after being hit, then resumed its flight. It stopped
a second time and was surrounded by four Japanese vessels, but rough seas
prevented boarding, said Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe.

The trapped boat later opened fire on the Japanese vessels, slightly
wounding two coast guard personnel. Two of the patrol ships replied by
firing their 20-millimetre machine guns at the boat's engine room, sinking
it and leaving its 15 crew members adrift.

Coast guard sailors planned to arrest the crew members after rescuing them
from the water. The boat foundered 390 kilometres (242 miles) northwest of
Amami Oshima, part of a chain of tiny islands off Japan's southernmost main
island.

Defence officials who examined photographs of the boat said that it appeared
similar to two suspected North Korean spy ships that were chased out of
Japanese waters by patrol craft in March 1999.

Independent military analyst Kensuke Ebata told NHK television that the
unidentified boat appeared to be equipped with a satellite dish and had
other features suggestive of surveillance activities.

Story filed: 15:21 Saturday 22nd December 200

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"MORALITY" OF THE RULERS [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[John Tomson]

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As vilification of the Taliban regime gears up, with the western
leaders taking the moral high ground (and conveniently forgetting the
assistance they gave to the Taliban and islamic extremism in general),
another example of state repression continues unnoticed.

That is the situation in Chechnya - where a state of war between the
central Russian state and separatist nationalist guerrillas has existed
for years now, with ordinary people suffering most, as ever. The
capital, Grozny, lies in Ruins and tens of thousands of refugees live
on Chechen borders, too frightened of Russian military brutality to go
home. Killings, torture and arbitrary detention are commonplace.

Russia is seeking to hold on to strategically important territory
(located as Chechnya is near the oil of the Caspian Sea). There is the
fear that a breakaway Chechnya would fall out of the Russian orbit,
maybe to come under the influence of rivals such as Iran.

The continued bloodshed goes on with little attention paid to it in
"the West". Quite simply, there is nothing to gain from criticising
Russian actions (hypocritical as this would perhaps be, given all
capitalist states' readiness to use violence to further their aims)
because it is economically and politically expedient now to maintain an
uneasy friendliness with Russia.

And it must be remembered that "the West" paid precious little
attention to the brutality of the Taliban regime when it wasn't seen to
pose a threat to western interests. Now things have changed, and the
"great and good" have changed their tune. The capitalists and their
"democratic" politicians will support any dictator (e.g. Saddam
Hussein, Suharto) so long as their interests are served. When they are
not, they will turn on them.

 "Morality" doesn't come into it.

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Bin Laden Translation Omitted Sections [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Miroslav Antic]

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/WorldNewsTonight/OBLtape_missing01122
0.html

Tape Missing Subtleties
Bin Laden Translation Omitted Sections

By John Miller

Dec. 21 - When the videotape of Osama bin Laden talking about the Sept.
11 terror attacks was released by the United States government on Dec.
13, administration officials spoke at length about the extensive effort
to achieve a full and accurate transcript.

The translation commissioned by ABCNEWS, however, reveals new elements
that raise questions about what the government left out of the official
version and why. The new translation uncovers statements that could be
embarrassing to the government of Saudi Arabia, a very important U.S.
ally. Bin Laden's visitor, Khalid al Harbi, a Saudi dissident, claims
that he was smuggled into Afghanistan by a member of Saudi Arabia's
religious police.

He also tells bin Laden that in Saudi Arabia, several prominent clerics
- some with connections to the Saudi government - made speeches
supporting the attacks on America.

"Right at the time of the strike on America, he gave a very moving
speech, Sheikh Abdulah al Baraak," bin Laden said on the tape. "And he
deserves thanks for that."

Sheikh al Baraak, to whom the visitor refers, is a professor at a
government university and a member of an influential council on
religious law.

"It shows that bin Laden's support is not limited to the radical side of
Islam but also among the Saudi religious establishment," says Fawaz
Gerges, professor of Middle Eastern studies at Sarah Lawrence College.
"And that is bad news for Saudi Arabia."

The new translation reveals bin Laden's intimate knowledge of the
hijackers themselves. Bin Laden mentions not just the ring leader
Mohamed Atta but several of the hijackers by name, including the al
Hazmi brothers: "So these young men, may God accept their action, Nawaf
Al Hazmi, Salim Al Hazmi ."

A member of the team that translated the tape for the U.S. government
said the ABCNEWS translation is consistent with portions of the
government's transcript that have not been released to the public.

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[Miroslav Antic]

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BBC Worldwide Monitoring

December 20, 2001, Thursday

Yugoslav foreign minister says he expressed regret, not apologised to
Croatia

SOURCE: HINA news agency, Zagreb, in English 1756 gmt 20 Dec 01 Text of
report in English by Croatian news agency HINA

   Belgrade, 20 December -- The Belgrade weekly NIN quotes Yugoslav
Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic on Thursday 20 December as saying he
expressed regret for the war destruction during a recent visit to
Croatia, and that "a possible apology to the Croats can be made only by
the president of state or someone elected at direct elections".

   As Yugoslavia's chief of diplomacy, Svilanovic says he felt compelled
to address the citizens of both countries, in this case primarily the
citizens of Croatia, taking a clear position as to the conflicts which
he says were very tragic and claimed many lives.

   "It is impossible for the Yugoslav foreign minister to come to
Croatia and talk about everything else, as though the conflict had never
taken place. That's why I very clearly said how deeply I regretted the
suffering of those people," Svilanovic responded to the NIN journalist's
claim that what he said in Zagreb "was too little for the Croatian and
too much for the Serb nationalists".  Stating that an apology was a "big
gesture which may come to the agenda," Svilanovic reiterated that "only
the president of state can" do something like that.

   Asked who should apologise to whom, the foreign minister said it was
"very complicated" but that if the events of the past decade were taken
into account, "the starting point must be that the conflict took place
on Croatian territory".

   Asked why he mentioned Jasenovac, Croatia's 1941-45 Ustasha death
camp, Svilanovic said he had mentioned the eastern Croatian town of
Vukovar as the symbol most Croats "associated with the horrible
feelings" of their recent past.

   "I mentioned Jasenovac as well, not to strike a balance or say that
it is the same or similar, because it isn't, but because for the Serbs
in Croatia, and I think Serbs in Serbia as well, it, too, is a symbol of
another time," said the foreign minister.

   "The Jasenovac memories have been manipulated a lot," he maintains,
saying they were "the power charge that set off the horrible conflict
which ensued".

   Svilanovic says he is perfectly aware of how much fear was imbued
"into the heads of the Serbs with the remembering Jasenovac campaign,"
which he says gave them "an additional killer boost".

   Asked what his Zagreb visit might yield in practice, he concluded "we
still can't talk about good neighbourly relations, even though a lot has
been done".

   Svilanovic said the Croatia talks addressed the issue of war
criminals, and that he agreed with his hosts that all who had committed
them must answer before national courts, and of course, the
International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague.

   Svilanovic said he and his Croatian hosts disagreed as to the tenancy
rights of Croatian Serb refugees, but added the issue would be addressed
further.

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Council of Europe Press Release [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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Council of Europe Press Release Council of Europe Press Service Tel. +33
3 88 41 25 60 Fax. +33 3 88 41 27 89 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS 981 21.12.2001
Press release issued by the Registrar

Application by Slobodan Milosevic

On 20 December 2001 Mr Slobodan Milosevic, former President of the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, filed an application with the European
Court of Human Rights. Mr Milosevic, who was born in 1940, is at present
detained in the UN detention centre, The Hague, the Netherlands.

Mr Milosevic's application is brought against the Netherlands, where on
31 August 2001 the President of the Hague Regional Court, in summary
proceedings taken by Mr Milosevic seeking his immediate release and
return to Yugoslavia, found that the Netherlands courts had no
jurisdiction.

Before the Strasbourg Court, Mr Milosevic relies on the following
Articles of the European Convention on Human Rights: 5 (right to liberty
and security), 6 (right to a fair trial), 10 (freedom of expression), 13
(right to an effective remedy) and 14 (prohibition of discrimination).
His complaints are directed against his arrest and detention and the
proceedings currently conducted against him in the International
Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.

Mr Milosevic is represented by, among others, Mr N.M.P. Steijnen,
counsel, of Zeist, the Netherlands.

Registry of the European Court of Human Rights F - 67075 Strasbourg
Cedex
Contacts: Roderick Liddell (telephone: (0)3 88 41 24 92) Emma Hellyer
(telephone: (0)3 90 21 42 15) Fax: (0)3 88 41 27 91

The European Court of Human Rights was set up in Strasbourg in 1959 to
deal with alleged violations of the 1950 European Convention on Human
Rights. On 1 November 1998 a full-time Court was established, replacing
the original two-tier system of a part-time Commission and Court.

Press Release
Council of Europe Press Service Ref: 981a01
Contact: Press Service
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SERBIAN NGO SLAMS KOSTUNICA'S HAGUE 'COOPERATION' PROPOSAL [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Miroslav Antic]

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RFE/RL Newsline, 12/20/01

SERBIAN NGO SLAMS KOSTUNICA'S HAGUE 'COOPERATION' PROPOSAL

The Fund for Humanitarian Justice (FHP) said in a statement in Belgrade
on 19 December that a legislative bill drawn up by Yugoslav President
Vojislav Kostunica's Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) on cooperation
with The Hague tribunal actually calls the tribunal's legitimacy into
question, RFE/RL's South Slavic and Albanian Languages Service reported.
The bill would require local courts to examine and validate any
indictments issued by The Hague. Kostunica regards the tribunal as an
anti-Serbian instrument of U.S. foreign policy. Many observers have
suspected that any legislation proposed by the DSS would be aimed at
obstructing cooperation rather than promoting it. The bill is likely to
be regarded as a non-starter by The Hague, where chief prosecutor Carla
Del Ponte has said that Kostunica's government is knowingly harboring
war criminals (see "RFE/RL Balkan Report," 30 November 2001). PM

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From John Lennon to V.I. Lenin [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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Maybe it's because George Harrison recently died or maybe it's that
Christmas time always reminds me of the Beatles -- because, as a kid, a
Beatles (or post-Beatles) record was my favorite Christmas present.
Either way, I surprised myself by pulling out some Beatles records and,
at least momentarily, enjoying them. Against my better judgment, I
should add.

I really cannot stand the Beatles.

And it's not just that I've heard it all to death, although I have. If
you think the 1960s was bad, let me assure you the 1970s was worse. At
least in the 60s, you didn't have to hear EVERY Beatles album all the
time: some of those albums didn't yet exist. In the 70s, though, every
last song was incessantly churning out of the radio or the stereo
nearest you. All the time, year after year, the 70s was one long dull
elegy for the 60s.

And, of all the Beatles, it is John Lennon that offends me the most.

Probably it's a parent love-hate thing. Back in my stupid teenybopper
days, I wanted to BE friggin' John Lennon. The hair, the glasses, the
whole deal.

And: I struggled in semi-pro bands for some 15 years.

The 'radical' Beatle, the 'revolutionary' Beatle. A rebel hero for a
rebel wannabe. A middle class hero is something to be (the working class
dudes who went off to Vietnam, they didn't like John Lennon -- today,
the media airbrushes that out of the story).

What sort of rebellion was it, though? A few putdowns of Christianity
here and there. Dope. 'Protest' music, most of it simple liberalism,
anarchism at the most daring -- plus an especially infamous
anti-communist song. Naked on an album cover.

I wonder what his kid, Julian, thought of that nude album cover. Dad
with his new girlfriend. Julian was about 8 at the time. Go to any store
and you'll find a copy of John Lennon's 'Drawings for Sean.' There's no
'Drawings for Julian,' though.

'And if ya go around with pictures of Chairman Mao, you'll never make it
with anyone anyhow.' A few years later, John Lennon was on the Dick
Cavett show, sporting a Mao pin. When Cavett pointed out the obvious
contradiction, Lennon shrugged his shoulders and said: 'Chairman Mao is
where its at right now.' Yoko grunted 'right on' or something equally
profound.

How 'revolutionary' was John Lennon? In the big Rolling Stone interview,
the 1970 one later released as 'Lennon Remembers' (jeez, the nerve), he
says 'In Britain, we have socialism, a nice socialism.' So 'nice' was
that socialism, a couple of years later he went for the big tax break in
the US. Hey, reminds me, the Beatles did a big anti-tax song.

Faux rebellion for faux radicals. Utopian socialism for those
procapitalist supporters with a bad conscience. 'Sure, I'm for socialism
... er, as long as it's heaven on earth.' Funny stance for a guy who
said 'imagine there's no heaven.'

Yes, it's a parent thing. Angry at the father figure for not earning his
pedestal. Angry at the hero for bullshitting me.

Angry at the whole ideology of pop music, too. Smoke pot, play guitar,
and you, too, can shine on. Pop stars are always so happy to point that
they never bothered with college or anything like that. Who needs skills
when biological determinism and lottery luck will do?

And here I am: on the other side of the equation.

The Marxist is the complete reversal of the pop star. While the pop
star, invariably coming up from 'humble origins,' is the working class
class traitor, the prole who goes to shill for the capitalist ideology,
the Marxist is invariably the middle class class traitor, the educated
guy who turns his wits against the very ideology that educated him.

No one who 'believes' in the class ascension of pop stardom can really
penetrate the Marxist perspective. Like the man said, communism is for
people with nothing to lose but their chains. The pop star, the whole
hero worship of pop stars, is, by contrast, one of the chains.

The whole 'star system' is a glamorized reinforcement for wealth
stratification and social hierarchy. No said it better than movie critic
Libby Gelman in Newsweek magazine: 'Gorgeous movie stars prove that
there is no justice -- and that this is a good thing.' A psychedelic
Rolls Royce is still a Rolls.

So now I understand why V.I. Lenin once said that he had no patience for
music or the arts. All of that stuff is great -- but it's for after the
work is done. Anyone living in a world dominated by capital who thinks
that the work is done is a rube. Go to work for Wal-Mart in the Third
World for a few years and tell me to 'imagine no possessions.'

When I first discovered Marxism and, soon after, Lenin, my friends, who
were getting nervous about my new-found convictions, said to me: 'But
communism is terrible for artists and the arts.' They intuitively saw
the choice I had to make.

Lenin said: 'I can't listen to music too often. It affects your nerves,
makes you want to say nice stupid things and stroke the heads of people
who could cre

Re: From John Lennon to V.I. Lenin [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Charles]

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Barry comrade,

Good one!

As a matter of fact, this "working class hero" thing with rock stars is the
same as the "poor boy makes it rich" thing about working class guys making
it into the middle or upper middle class. It's really no different from the
kind of rag's to riches stories told by motivational speakers like Anthony
Robbins, Bob Proctor and others or the sort of thing one often reads in
right-wing rags like Readers Digest.

Like you, I too was at one time enamoured by the hippie movement and the
"anti-materialist" (money don't buy me love)message of the 60's and 70's but
one day it dawned on me that while expounding this message in their songs,
the rock stars were getting fabulously rich and living opulent lifestyles --
so the message was for their fans' consumption only and not for them to
practice themselves.

Anyway, as I'm sure you know, the 60s coincided with the peak of the long
post-war boom for the Western world and according to a graph (by a UN
agency, I think), unemployment was virtually non existent in Europe and
below 4% in North America at the time but rose gradually throughout the 70's
and 80's in Europe and North America -- which perhaps explains why the
message expounded by rock stars grew more cynical, pessimistic and even
morbid.

Your account of your experiences also explains why most "radical" muscians
and artists tend to favour anarchism, Trotskyism sometimes and more recently
Libertarianism, while on the other hand musicians like Neil Young start
supporting the Republican party.

Back in the 60's, the term "bourgeosie" mean't people who believed in
traditional conservative beliefs about religion, sex, dress, getting an
education, getting an "establishment" job in the "system," wearing a suit
and climbing the corporate ladder.

Not being a part of the "bourgeoise" mean't one was either still a student,
growing one's hair long and permanently living off welfare because work was
"demeaning to the soul," being an artist, musician, living on a commune,
organic farm or was fortunate enought to have the choice of running one's
own business and living according to independent means while engaging in
free sex and dumping religion.

Well, nowadays many such people end up becoming pro free-market Libertarians
who disdain social controls of their "sacred" individual rights -- such as
the "right" to hire and fire anyone they please, the "right" to discriminate
based on colour, sex, religion of age, to churn out pornography, etc.

I'm sure many of those fabulously rich founders and CEO's of Silly Con
Valley companies were long-haired, tie-died, pot-smoking hippies back in the
60's. So much for "money don't buy me love."

Makes me feel like chopping off my pony tail.

Unfortunately, it looks like it's the working class dudes in the US who are
waving Old Glory more fervently than the middle-class dudes"

Fraternally

Charles

> HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
> ---
>
>
>
> Maybe it's because George Harrison recently died or maybe it's that
> Christmas time always reminds me of the Beatles -- because, as a kid, a
> Beatles (or post-Beatles) record was my favorite Christmas present.
> Either way, I surprised myself by pulling out some Beatles records and,
> at least momentarily, enjoying them. Against my better judgment, I
> should add.
>
> I really cannot stand the Beatles.
>
> And it's not just that I've heard it all to death, although I have. If
> you think the 1960s was bad, let me assure you the 1970s was worse. At
> least in the 60s, you didn't have to hear EVERY Beatles album all the
> time: some of those albums didn't yet exist. In the 70s, though, every
> last song was incessantly churning out of the radio or the stereo
> nearest you. All the time, year after year, the 70s was one long dull
> elegy for the 60s.
>
> And, of all the Beatles, it is John Lennon that offends me the most.
>
> Probably it's a parent love-hate thing. Back in my stupid teenybopper
> days, I wanted to BE friggin' John Lennon. The hair, the glasses, the
> whole deal.
>
> And: I struggled in semi-pro bands for some 15 years.
>
> The 'radical' Beatle, the 'revolutionary' Beatle. A rebel hero for a
> rebel wannabe. A middle class hero is something to be (the working class
> dudes who went off to Vietnam, they didn't like John Lennon -- today,
> the media airbrushes that out of the story).
>
> What sort of rebellion was it, though? A few putdowns of Christianity
> here and there. Dope. 'Protest' music, most of it simple liberalism,
> anarchism at the most daring -- plus an especially infamous
> anti-communist song. Naked on an album cover.
>
> I wonder what his kid, Julian, thought of that nude album cover. Dad
> with his new girlfriend. Julian was about 8 at the time. Go to any store
> and you'll find a copy of John Lennon's 'Drawings for Sean.' There's no
> 'Drawings for Julian,' though.
>
> 'And if ya go around with pictures of Chairman

Lori Berenson moved to remote Peruvian prison [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Steve Wagner]

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***
*   Free Lori Berenson!   *
* http://www.freelori.org *
***

--- Mark Berenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Saturday, December 22, 2001

To All Friends and Supporters of Lori Berenson:

LORI IS MOVED TO REMOTE NORTHERN PRISON

  Yesterday the US Embassy in Lima informed us that Lori was moved to
Huacariz Prison in the city of Cajamarca in the northern Peruvian
highlands.  

  We have heard that the climate is good there, although we are a
little concerned about the altitude (9,000 feet -- significantly
lower than at Yanamayo Prison in Puno but higher than at Socabaya
Prison in Arequipa).  

  Although Cajamarca is only 360 miles north of Lima ("as the crow
flies") it is accessible only by air (only one flight per day) or a
20-hour bus ride.  This makes it extremely difficult for her lawyer
to consult with her about her court appeal to which, by Peruvian law,
should have been completed 15 days following her sentencing but has
languished for more than six months.

  The press has claimed that the move was for "disciplinary reasons"
but everything that happens to Lori has political reasons.  We will
not know more until her lawyer and Rhoda visit this coming week. 
Lori had no inkling that a move was forthcoming when Rhoda visited
her last week. 

National Organization of Women (NOW) CALLS FOR LORI'S RELEASE

  We are grateful to NOW for passing a resolution urging Lori's
release.  NOW has over a half-million active members in all 50 states
and champions issues that Lori agrees need addressing.  The text of
the resolution will appear on Lori's website after the new year.

RHODA'S BOOK NOW AVAILABLE

  Several people had difficulty in obtaining the paperback (updated)
version of Rhoda's book "Lori, My Daughter Wrongfully Imprisoned in
Peru."  The publisher (Northeastern University Press) has informed us
it is now in stores or can be obtained via the internet within 48
hours from Amazon or Barnes & Noble or directly from the publisher.

  Wishing you all and your loved ones all the best for this holiday
season.

Rhoda and Mark B.
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Re: SERBIAN NGO SLAMS KOSTUNICA'S HAGUE 'COOPERATION' PROPOSAL [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG

[mart]

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Well what do they expect? They gypped Kostunica and the DOS out of the
millions of dollars
they promised these Judases for selling Milosovic to them. Like any good
business people they
just want to make sure they'll get paid their 40 pieces of silver, before
handing any more people
over to NATO.
mart
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: SERBIAN NGO SLAMS KOSTUNICA'S HAGUE 'COOPERATION' PROPOSAL


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 RFE/RL Newsline, 12/20/01

 SERBIAN NGO SLAMS KOSTUNICA'S HAGUE 'COOPERATION' PROPOSAL

> The Fund for Humanitarian Justice (FHP) said in a statement in Belgrade
 on 19 December that a legislative bill drawn up by Yugoslav President
 Vojislav Kostunica's Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) on cooperation
 with The Hague tribunal actually calls the tribunal's legitimacy into
 question, RFE/RL's South Slavic and Albanian Languages Service reported.
 The bill would require local courts to examine and validate any
 indictments issued by The Hague. Kostunica regards the tribunal as an
 anti-Serbian instrument of U.S. foreign policy. Many observers have
 suspected that any legislation proposed by the DSS would be aimed at
 obstructing cooperation rather than promoting it. The bill is likely to
 be regarded as a non-starter by The Hague, where chief prosecutor Carla
 Del Ponte has said that Kostunica's government is knowingly harboring
 war criminals (see "RFE/RL Balkan Report," 30 November 2001). PM

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A PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE 
UPThe indigenous people of Diego Garcia and the Chagos 
Islands filed suit yesterday in US District Court charging the United States 
with genocide, torture and forced relocation.  More than 1000 people 
who lived on the islands are listed as plaintiffs and are asking for 
millions of dollars in damages. The United States uses the island -- 
more than 1,000 miles from India, Mauritius, Australia and the Gulf 
States -- as a communications post and refueling station. The US 
acquired the chain from the British in 1965 and promptly finished 
ousting its inhabitants. The Chagossians charge that the agreement with 
the British says "acquisition of Diego Garcia for defense purposes will 
imply displacement of the whole of the existing population of the island." 
The Chagossians say U.S. military and contract workers forced them from the 
island in the late '60s and early '70s. The last movement of people was 
accomplished by herding them onto boats loaded with horses and other animals 
for a six-day voyage to Mauritius.Back in the 60s the US was 
obsessing about Soviet expansion in to the Indian Ocean and was looking for 
a base in the area "without a population problem."  The US offered the 
Brits an $11 million discount on the purchase of the US-made Polaris nuclear 
submarines as an incentive to come up with something for them. A memo from 
then Foreign Secretary Michael  Stewart to Labor Prime Minister Harold 
Wilson in 1969 admitted that the payment was kept secret from Parliament 
and the US Congress.  The first island choice fell through because the 
island involved was the home of rare tortoises with friends in ecology 
movement.  The Chagossians had no such friends.  The Chagos 
Islands were a part of the Mauritius, a British territory campaigning for 
independence.  The Chagos Islands were home to some 1,800 people - 
mainly descendants of slaves - but no tortoises.  Independence was 
granted to Mauritius, but only after the Chagos Islands were separated in 
November 1965 by an Order in Council and renamed the British Indian Ocean 
Territory, or BIOT. At this point, British politicians, diplomats and civil 
servants began a campaign - in their own words - "to maintain the pretense 
there were no permanent inhabitants" on the islands. To the outside world, 
there must be no inhabitants, merely people living there temporarily - 
migrant workers and other transients.  And by the time the British 
and Americans were through there were none. Residents who left the 
island for any reason were prevented from returning. The remaining 
inhabitants eventually were evicted to Mauritius and the Seychelles, 
where they failed to adjust to city life. Most remained on the fringes 
of society, poor and uneducated. Last year a British judge ruled that 
the islanders could go home. "For us, it is a historical day to win this 
fight. It seems like David and Goliath," said Olivier Bancoult, chairman of 
the Chagos Refugee Group in Mauritius, who was exiled in 1968 at the age 
of 4. "We all think about returning, and we want compensation for all we 
have been suffering."  Although at the time the US said the matter was 
between Britain and the Islanders, the U.S. government filed a statement 
during the hearing opposing the islanders' return to the archipelago on the 
grounds that it would be a "threat to national security," despite a distance 
of more than 130 miles between the air base and the nearest 
island.The people of Chagos Island have waged a long fight to regain 
their dignity, their land, and their human rights.  That fight 
continues.Sources: Washington Post, BBC, Guardian, World Socialist 
WebThe Oread Daily provides daily (Monday-Friday) progressive, left, 
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revolutionary, etc. news and information from around the US and around 
the world. The Oread Daily was a mimeographed sheet that came out first in 
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BBC: South Korea Lifts Alert (Later Report) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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Friday, 21 December, 2001, 09:43 GMT 
South Korea lifts 
alert
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1723000/1723029.stm
South remains technically at war with the 
North
 
South Korea has lifted a military security alert imposed 
after the 11 September attacks - a move expected to help revive stalled talks 
with North Korea. 
The North had objected to the heightened state of alert, calling off planned 
reunions of separated families and other exchanges. 


  
  

  I hope the North will come to the dialogue table as 
  soon as possible
  

  Unification Minister Hong Soon-young 
  A military 
spokesman, quoted by the Yonhap news agency, said: "All watch conditions and 
alert statuses are normal." 
Earlier this week, there were calls by both sides for dialogue to re-open. 
Unification Minister Hong Soon-young on Friday emphasised his hopes that the 
North would resume talks as soon as possible. 
He said the South would donate 100,000 tonnes of corn to North Korea through 
the United Nations World Food Programme. 
Warplanes 
The disclosure of the lifting of the alert also coincides with the 
announcement of the imminent departure of a squadron of American F-15 fighter 
aircraft deployed in South Korea in the wake of 11 September. 


  
  

  
  Hopes were high after last year's North-South 
  summitThe war planes were sent to the South to cover the 
absence of the 7th Fleet, including the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, sent to 
help in the war against Afghanistan. 
The Kitty Hawk is due to return its base in Japan before Christmas. 
Correspondents say the deployment of the 24 US warplanes particularly annoyed 
the North. 
North and South Korea have remained technically at war since a ceasefire 
agreement ended fighting in 1953. 
Their border is the most heavily militarised zone in the world and the US 
keeps about 37,000 troops stationed in the South as a deterrent to the North. 

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Re: From John Lennon to V.I. Lenin [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Richard Roper]

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This just shows how WSM are another oufit that ALWAYS
get it wrong!

John Lennon was considered sufficiently dangerous for
the Dark Side to go out and assassinate him.

Ever read the book?

 
--- Barry Stoller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
> ---
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe it's because George Harrison recently died or
> maybe it's that
> Christmas time always reminds me of the Beatles --
> because, as a kid, a
> Beatles (or post-Beatles) record was my favorite
> Christmas present.
> Either way, I surprised myself by pulling out some
> Beatles records and,
> at least momentarily, enjoying them. Against my
> better judgment, I
> should add.
> 
> I really cannot stand the Beatles.
> 
> And it's not just that I've heard it all to death,
> although I have. If
> you think the 1960s was bad, let me assure you the
> 1970s was worse. At
> least in the 60s, you didn't have to hear EVERY
> Beatles album all the
> time: some of those albums didn't yet exist. In the
> 70s, though, every
> last song was incessantly churning out of the radio
> or the stereo
> nearest you. All the time, year after year, the 70s
> was one long dull
> elegy for the 60s.
> 
> And, of all the Beatles, it is John Lennon that
> offends me the most.
> 
> Probably it's a parent love-hate thing. Back in my
> stupid teenybopper
> days, I wanted to BE friggin' John Lennon. The hair,
> the glasses, the
> whole deal.
> 
> And: I struggled in semi-pro bands for some 15
> years.
> 
> The 'radical' Beatle, the 'revolutionary' Beatle. A
> rebel hero for a
> rebel wannabe. A middle class hero is something to
> be (the working class
> dudes who went off to Vietnam, they didn't like John
> Lennon -- today,
> the media airbrushes that out of the story).
> 
> What sort of rebellion was it, though? A few
> putdowns of Christianity
> here and there. Dope. 'Protest' music, most of it
> simple liberalism,
> anarchism at the most daring -- plus an especially
> infamous
> anti-communist song. Naked on an album cover.
> 
> I wonder what his kid, Julian, thought of that nude
> album cover. Dad
> with his new girlfriend. Julian was about 8 at the
> time. Go to any store
> and you'll find a copy of John Lennon's 'Drawings
> for Sean.' There's no
> 'Drawings for Julian,' though.
> 
> 'And if ya go around with pictures of Chairman Mao,
> you'll never make it
> with anyone anyhow.' A few years later, John Lennon
> was on the Dick
> Cavett show, sporting a Mao pin. When Cavett pointed
> out the obvious
> contradiction, Lennon shrugged his shoulders and
> said: 'Chairman Mao is
> where its at right now.' Yoko grunted 'right on' or
> something equally
> profound.
> 
> How 'revolutionary' was John Lennon? In the big
> Rolling Stone interview,
> the 1970 one later released as 'Lennon Remembers'
> (jeez, the nerve), he
> says 'In Britain, we have socialism, a nice
> socialism.' So 'nice' was
> that socialism, a couple of years later he went for
> the big tax break in
> the US. Hey, reminds me, the Beatles did a big
> anti-tax song.
> 
> Faux rebellion for faux radicals. Utopian socialism
> for those
> procapitalist supporters with a bad conscience.
> 'Sure, I'm for socialism
> ... er, as long as it's heaven on earth.' Funny
> stance for a guy who
> said 'imagine there's no heaven.'
> 
> Yes, it's a parent thing. Angry at the father figure
> for not earning his
> pedestal. Angry at the hero for bullshitting me.
> 
> Angry at the whole ideology of pop music, too. Smoke
> pot, play guitar,
> and you, too, can shine on. Pop stars are always so
> happy to point that
> they never bothered with college or anything like
> that. Who needs skills
> when biological determinism and lottery luck will
> do?
> 
> And here I am: on the other side of the equation.
> 
> The Marxist is the complete reversal of the pop
> star. While the pop
> star, invariably coming up from 'humble origins,' is
> the working class
> class traitor, the prole who goes to shill for the
> capitalist ideology,
> the Marxist is invariably the middle class class
> traitor, the educated
> guy who turns his wits against the very ideology
> that educated him.
> 
> No one who 'believes' in the class ascension of pop
> stardom can really
> penetrate the Marxist perspective. Like the man
> said, communism is for
> people with nothing to lose but their chains. The
> pop star, the whole
> hero worship of pop stars, is, by contrast, one of
> the chains.
> 
> The whole 'star system' is a glamorized
> reinforcement for wealth
> stratification and social hierarchy. No said it
> better than movie critic
> Libby Gelman in Newsweek magazine: 'Gorgeous movie
> stars prove that
> there is no justice -- and that this is a good
> thing.' A psychedelic
> Rolls Royce is still a Rolls.
> 
> So now I understand why V.I. Lenin once said that he
> had no patience for
> music or the arts. All of that stuff is great -- but
> it's for after the
> work is 

Re: From John Lennon to V.I. Lenin [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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If I could be allowed to toss in my $.02

As one who actually came to age in the turbulent 60s, protested and was
beaten by Nixon's nazis, have been abused by the 'minions of the state' on
numerous occasions for merely exercising my constitutional rights, seems to
me that most of my cohort were more in the mold of the late and unlamented
POTUS, Slick Willy.  Like Willy (and Gore and Bush, etc ad nauseam), they
put on their tie-dyed T-shirts to be able to screw naive and innocent (and,
at the time, many of them were) young flower girls, partake to excess in all
manner of legal and illegal intoxicants, and otherwise, take advantage of
the situation.

Few of those even then were true 'flower children'.  I knew many who were,
and, there was a difference.  These were, by and large, idealistic young
people who had gotten beyond many of the obscene social strictures.  Many
actually believed that a new world could be created through 'love and
understanding'.  The bitter reality, not admitted to by some of the most
idealistic, was that mankind, unfortunately, will require absolute disaster
before it will actually attempt to shake itself from the death grip of the
'prevailing system'.


- Original Message -
From: "Richard Roper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 16:25
Subject: Re: From John Lennon to V.I. Lenin [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]


> HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
> ---
>
> This just shows how WSM are another oufit that ALWAYS
> get it wrong!
>
> John Lennon was considered sufficiently dangerous for
> the Dark Side to go out and assassinate him.
>
> Ever read the book?
>
>
> --- Barry Stoller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe it's because George Harrison recently died or
> > maybe it's that
> > Christmas time always reminds me of the Beatles --
> > because, as a kid, a
> > Beatles (or post-Beatles) record was my favorite
> > Christmas present.
> > Either way, I surprised myself by pulling out some
> > Beatles records and,
> > at least momentarily, enjoying them. Against my
> > better judgment, I
> > should add.
> >
> > I really cannot stand the Beatles.
> >
> > And it's not just that I've heard it all to death,
> > although I have. If
> > you think the 1960s was bad, let me assure you the
> > 1970s was worse. At
> > least in the 60s, you didn't have to hear EVERY
> > Beatles album all the
> > time: some of those albums didn't yet exist. In the
> > 70s, though, every
> > last song was incessantly churning out of the radio
> > or the stereo
> > nearest you. All the time, year after year, the 70s
> > was one long dull
> > elegy for the 60s.
> >
> > And, of all the Beatles, it is John Lennon that
> > offends me the most.
> >
> > Probably it's a parent love-hate thing. Back in my
> > stupid teenybopper
> > days, I wanted to BE friggin' John Lennon. The hair,
> > the glasses, the
> > whole deal.
> >
> > And: I struggled in semi-pro bands for some 15
> > years.
> >
> > The 'radical' Beatle, the 'revolutionary' Beatle. A
> > rebel hero for a
> > rebel wannabe. A middle class hero is something to
> > be (the working class
> > dudes who went off to Vietnam, they didn't like John
> > Lennon -- today,
> > the media airbrushes that out of the story).
> >
> > What sort of rebellion was it, though? A few
> > putdowns of Christianity
> > here and there. Dope. 'Protest' music, most of it
> > simple liberalism,
> > anarchism at the most daring -- plus an especially
> > infamous
> > anti-communist song. Naked on an album cover.
> >
> > I wonder what his kid, Julian, thought of that nude
> > album cover. Dad
> > with his new girlfriend. Julian was about 8 at the
> > time. Go to any store
> > and you'll find a copy of John Lennon's 'Drawings
> > for Sean.' There's no
> > 'Drawings for Julian,' though.
> >
> > 'And if ya go around with pictures of Chairman Mao,
> > you'll never make it
> > with anyone anyhow.' A few years later, John Lennon
> > was on the Dick
> > Cavett show, sporting a Mao pin. When Cavett pointed
> > out the obvious
> > contradiction, Lennon shrugged his shoulders and
> > said: 'Chairman Mao is
> > where its at right now.' Yoko grunted 'right on' or
> > something equally
> > profound.
> >
> > How 'revolutionary' was John Lennon? In the big
> > Rolling Stone interview,
> > the 1970 one later released as 'Lennon Remembers'
> > (jeez, the nerve), he
> > says 'In Britain, we have socialism, a nice
> > socialism.' So 'nice' was
> > that socialism, a couple of years later he went for
> > the big tax break in
> > the US. Hey, reminds me, the Beatles did a big
> > anti-tax song.
> >
> > Faux rebellion for faux radicals. Utopian socialism
> > for those
> > procapitalist supporters with a bad conscience.
> > 'Sure, I'm for socialism
> > ... er, as long as it's heaven on earth.' Funny
> > stance for a guy who
> > said 

"Santa Claus is tapping your phone" [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Steve Wagner]

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To the tune of  "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"

   You better watch out,
   You better not cry,
   You better not pout,
   I'm telling you why,
   Santa Claus is tapping,
   Your phone.

   He's buggin your room,
   He's reading your mail,
   He's keeping a file
   And runnin a tail
   Santa Claus is tapping
   Your phone

   He hears you in the bedroom
   Surveils you out of doors
   And if that doesn't get the goods
   Then he'll use provocateurs.

   So you mustn't assume
   That you are secure
   On Christmas Eve
   He'll kick in your door
   Santa Claus is tapping
   Your phone...


Then there's always the ever-lovely "We All Live in a Fascist War
Machine," to the tune of Yellow Submarine, of course.  Anyone have the
words?

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--
Friday, December 21, 2001 (SF Chronicle)
Geraldo's the best comedy on TV
Tim Goodman

  Everything we know we learned from television:

  "Hello, I'm gun-toting Geraldo Rivera, reporting live from My War
in Afghanistan, where everything I say revolves around me and what I'm
doing and what I'm feeling or thinking. In today's developments,
I-I-I-me-me-me-I-I-me- me-I. Now back to Fox News and more saber
rattling."

  Help us, we've been mesmerized by those relentless news crawls,
and now we've fallen down and can't get up. Just thought we'd duly note
that we still hate them.

  Geraldo was busted in the chops by the Baltimore Sun for falsely
saying he was on "hallowed ground" near Kandahar where friendly fire
killed some American soldiers. Turns out he was a couple hundred miles
away. He said that in the "fog of war" he had mistaken it for another
friendly-fire incident near Tora Bora. But the Sun reminded him that
incident took place several days after his report.

  What all of this means: If you're not watching Rivera's weird,
bizarre reports on Fox News, you're missing some of television's best
entertainment.

  NBC isn't making a lot of friends in the Bay Area with this
affiliation switch, because people who don't get cable mostly don't get
it for a reason (too expensive, don't watch enough TV to justify it,
etc).  But maybe this will be a partial salve. In a move to combat the
Super Bowl, NBC -- which doesn't have the game -- will air 20 minutes
at halftime of a special Playboy Playmate version of "Fear Factor."

  We only wish we were making that up.
  
  Then, after a full night of "Fear Factor" reruns and "best-of"
episodes, NBC will try to grab post-game viewers with an hour of the
Playmates on "Fear Factor."

  Maybe you're not going to miss NBC as much as you thought.  Besides,
you should be watching Geraldo in Afghanistan. He packs more laughs
than
just about any current NBC sitcom.

  If you are watching the real Super Bowl (that's Feb. 3, by the
way), there's always hype over what show gets the plum post-game slot.
This year Fox is giving it to "Malcolm in the Middle," which will be
extended to one hour and feature Susan Sarandon, Bradley Whitford of
"The West Wing" playing her husband (he's really married to "Malcolm"
mom Jane Kaczmarek), plus other stars, including Magic Johnson, Heidi
Klum, Tom Green, Christina Ricci, Stephen Root ("NewsRadio" and "King
of the Hill") and Patrick Warburton ("The Tick," Puddy on "Seinfeld").

  The plot surrounds Hal's company picnic. Kaczmarek ends up in a
mud fight with Sarandon. We're there, as always.

  Forty-third sign of the Apocalypse: NBC has given MTV's Carson
Daly his own late-night talk show. Is it too late to cancel
already-installed cable so we can not get NBC?

  Nah, then we'd miss "Military Blunders" on the History Channel.

  "Hello, I'm Geraldo Rivera, and to prove that I'm more disgusted
by the Sept. 11 attacks than you, I've vowed to personally kill Osama
bin Laden.  But first, let me shoot my career in the foot by being a
foreign-correspondent caricature and raving loon."

  Here's our question: How does Geraldo switch from CNBC to Fox
News, home of the right? It's not as if Geraldo has shared or expressed
on the air the same views as those people. And you thought John Walker
in the midst of the Taliban was odd.

  Feel the shame and share it: Fox is just the latest network to
abandon its children's programming, and KTVU Channel 2 couldn't wait.
While Fox is dumping its "Fox Kids" block on Dec. 28, KTVU this week
moved those kids' shows to its sister station, KICU Channel 36 -- where
they will be killed off finally on the 28th. In the meantime, KTVU is
going with "The Ananda Lewis Show," "Ricki Lake" and two airings of
"Crossing Over," the show about talking to dead people.

  Quick, get the hot water running in the shower.

  Bring me the head of Geraldo, despite its enormous size.

  The High Fives: 1. "The Daily Show." 2. "The Tick." 3. "Monday
Night Football." 4. The coming end to all those cheesy Christmas
movies. 5. The fact that we refrained from writing a hack Christmas
column.
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Nepal. CPN(M): revolt 'will continue' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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From: Barry Stoller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

CPN(M): revolt 'will continue'


BBC. 18 December 2001. Nepal revolt 'will continue.'

A senior Nepalese Maoist leader has said the insurgency will continue
until the monarchy is abolished, despite the intensifying of the army
operation against the Maoist rebels.

In the first ever radio interview by a senior Maoist leader, Mr Dinanath
Sharma, told the BBC that his party was not against peace talks if the
government was ready to form a constitutional assembly to draft a new
constitution, which they believe would lead to the establishment of a
republic.

Mr Sharma, a politburo member of the Nepal Communist Party (Maoist),
said his party was determined to defeat what he called reactionary
forces.

He rejected the government demand to surrender arms.

However, he added that if the government withdrew the army and agreed to
the formation of a constitutional assembly, resumption of peace talks
was possible.

That demand was categorically rejected by the government last week.

It is believed that there are around 5,000 armed militia involved in the
insurgency.

Some 500 of them are reported to have been killed since the army
operation began.

However, Mr Sharma said this number had been highly exaggerated by the
authorities.

He also denied recent reports in the Indian press that two senior Maoist
leaders, one of them the main military strategist of the party, had been
killed in an army operation.

The Maoists want to replace the country's constitutional monarchy with a
communist republic.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Barry Stoller
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Bin Laden's mother: video is a fake [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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Reuters. 23 December 2001. Report: Bin Laden's Mother Says Attack Video
a Fake.

LONDON -- Osama bin Laden's mother was quoted in a British newspaper on
Sunday as saying she believes a videotape of her son, which the United
States says proves he had prior knowledge of the September 11 attacks,
was a fake.

"I believe the evidence against him is not solid. I think the video they
produced is doctored," Alia Ghanem was quoted as saying by the Mail on
Sunday tabloid in an interview conducted by a Saudi journalist.

"The voice is unclear and uneven. There are too many gaps and the
statements are very unlike him," she said.

The Mail on Sunday said Ghanem was interviewed last week for the paper
by Saudi journalist and bin Laden family friend Khalid Batarfi, the
editor of Saudi newspaper Al Medina.

Ghanem said she was convinced her son was not responsible for the
attacks but feared he would be killed before his name was cleared.

"Osama is too good a Muslim and too good a person to say or do what the
script of the video suggests he said and did," she said.

"But I don't agree with everything he says and he knows that. I pray to
Allah that he will live until the truth is revealed."

Bin Laden's current whereabouts is a mystery with no reported sightings
of him for more than a week.

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said on Saturday there is a strong
possibility that bin Laden was killed in the U.S. bombing of the Tora
Bora mountains in eastern Afghanistan.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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