Re: [arch-general] pacman reset procedure

[Jude DaShiell]

Failed to synchronize all error failed to update each database and
finally error failed to synchronize all data bases.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, Nate DeMare via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 09:23:55
> From: Nate DeMare via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Nate DeMare 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] pacman reset procedure
>
> "The pacman data bases I have apparently got broken and will not update."
>
>
> What specifically does the pacman error say?

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[arch-general] pacman reset procedure

[Jude DaShiell]

The pacman data bases I have apparently got broken and will not update.
Connection to the internet is good.  What is the procedure to have pacman
reset itself and clear out any broken parts so it becomes able to update?



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Re: [arch-general] cd/dvd burning software

[Jude DaShiell]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, mick howe via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:27:46
> From: mick howe via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: mick howe 
> Subject: [arch-general] cd/dvd burning software
>
> I'm chasing a simple program to burn CD/DVD and print a simple, plain
> text file list prefer to fit the disc case

I've not done the printing part, but cdrskin ought to handle the rest of
your requirements nicely.

>
> mick in glen innes 2370
>

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Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, and both issues got solved on this end.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, schtiehve via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 05:16:57
> From: schtiehve via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: schtiehve 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress
>
> That sould usually be in the error message. Something like "could not
> lock database" so in the future it might be helpfull to post the error
> message that way you can get better help from this list.
>
> Regards
> Schtiehve
>
> Am 2020-08-11 23:22, schrieb Jude DaShiell:
> > The hang up turned out to be /var/lib/pacman/db.lck.  An upgrade got
> > disrupted so that file needed to be removed and that removal solved this
> > issue.  If that happens again, I'll now know to look for and remove that
> > lock file in the future.
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, mar77i via arch-general wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:13:56
> >> From: mar77i via arch-general 
> >> Reply-To: mar...@protonmail.ch,
> >> General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> >> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> >> Cc: mar...@protonmail.ch
> >> Subject: Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress
> >>
> >> ??? Original Message ???
> >> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:21 PM, Jude DaShiell  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring returns error cannot update core among
> >> > other repositories and pacman -Ss archlinux-keyring shows the keyring to
> >> > be installed with date of 20200622-1 on it.
> >> >
> >>
> >> ...is this the same issue as on the other discussion thread?
> >>
> >> pacman -Ss shows the package as it's available in the repository.
> >> If you want to see the installed package, you have to type `pacman -Qs 
> >> [packagename]`.
> >>
> >> cheers!
> >> mar77i
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >>
>

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Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress

[Jude DaShiell]

The hang up turned out to be /var/lib/pacman/db.lck.  An upgrade got
disrupted so that file needed to be removed and that removal solved this
issue.  If that happens again, I'll now know to look for and remove that
lock file in the future.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, mar77i via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:13:56
> From: mar77i via arch-general 
> Reply-To: mar...@protonmail.ch,
> General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: mar...@protonmail.ch
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress
>
> ??? Original Message ???
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:21 PM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring returns error cannot update core among
> > other repositories and pacman -Ss archlinux-keyring shows the keyring to
> > be installed with date of 20200622-1 on it.
> >
>
> ...is this the same issue as on the other discussion thread?
>
> pacman -Ss shows the package as it's available in the repository.
> If you want to see the installed package, you have to type `pacman -Qs 
> [packagename]`.
>
> cheers!
> mar77i
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>

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Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress

[Jude DaShiell]

pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring returns error cannot update core among
other repositories and pacman -Ss archlinux-keyring shows the keyring to
be installed with date of 20200622-1 on it.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:54:44
> From: Rafael Fontenelle 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: arch-gene...@lists.archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 2:14 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > I found and downloaded a current mirrorslist file and selected servers to
> > use.  pacman cannot update though and I suspect this is because the
> > necessary ssh keys have to be imported.  How is this done using pacman
> > facilities in such a situation?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> Hi Jude,
>
> Try first installing Arch's keys (without the -u flag for now) and
> then try to upgrade the installed software (now with -u flag). The
> commands involved are:
>
> pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
>
> and
>
> pacman -Syu
>
> Best regards,
> Rafael Fontenelle
>

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Re: [arch-general] old archlinux cannot now update

[Jude DaShiell]

At this point, it's not the gpg keys since those all got updated.  None
of the repositories will update though.
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, mar77i via
arch-general wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:31:55
> From: mar77i via arch-general 
> Reply-To: mar...@protonmail.ch,
> General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: mar...@protonmail.ch
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] old archlinux cannot now update
>
> ??? Original Message ???
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:53 PM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Is a link in the archwiki on the process to point archlinux at all of the
> > new repositories and import all of the ssh keys? I hadn't been able to
> > access my computers while this move happened so wasn't able to do the
> > necessary steps to change where archlinux finds all of its updates.
>
>
> Are you sure you mean ssh keys, and not gpg keys? If the latter, please check 
> out the fabulous wiki.
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Package_signing#Managing_the_keyring
>
> This stuff has been in place for a while therefore I much doubt you're 
> missing it. It seems yet the best, however still very marginal way to make 
> sense of your message.
>
> cheers!
> mar77i
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>

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[arch-general] old archlinux instance repositories progress

[Jude DaShiell]

I found and downloaded a current mirrorslist file and selected servers to
use.  pacman cannot update though and I suspect this is because the
necessary ssh keys have to be imported.  How is this done using pacman
facilities in such a situation?



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[arch-general] old archlinux cannot now update

[Jude DaShiell]

Is a link in the archwiki on the process to point archlinux at all of the
new repositories and import all of the ssh keys?  I hadn't been able to
access my computers while this move happened so wasn't able to do the
necessary steps to change where archlinux finds all of its updates.



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Re: [arch-general] a couple foldingathome problems

[Jude DaShiell]

e: nouveau
Kernel modules: nouveau
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 HDMI/DP Audio Controller (rev a1)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] GK208 HDMI/DP Audio 
Controller
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter 
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)
Subsystem: Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter 
(PCI-Express)
Kernel driver in use: ath9k
Kernel modules: ath9k
03:00.0 USB controller: Etron Technology, Inc. EJ188/EJ198 USB 3.0 Host 
Controller
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation QC5000-ITX/PH
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci_pci
06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 
PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Motherboard (one of many)
Kernel driver in use: r8169
Kernel modules: r8169
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020, Lone_Wolf wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 02:39:19
> From: Lone_Wolf 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] a couple foldingathome problems
>
>
> On 06-07-2020 00:32, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Platform #1: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
>
>
> Are you using amdapp-sdk from aur ?
>
> Please post lspci -k   output
>
> LW
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] a couple foldingathome problems

[Jude DaShiell]

If I run clinfo -l what returns is:
Platform #0: Clover
Platform #1: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

Going deeper with clinfo there's lots of devices not found.


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[arch-general] a couple foldingathome problems

[Jude DaShiell]

One of these would be unique, the package is complaining my video drivers
aren't up to date.  I don't even know what video drivers should be on this
machine and haven't got local linux support to clue me in on this one and
me being totally blind I don't usually touch or have any interest in video
drivers.
If the video driver is wrong, will the work done by the computer be
rjected by the foldingathome server?
The second problem may be effecting all users of the foldingathome
package.  How good is this package about cleaning up disk space it no
longer needs once a completed job gets sent to the server?  I have a 120GB
drive that's run out of space.  This computer runs solid state so the 3tb
sata drive wouldn't work in it otherwise this wouldn't be a problem.



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Re: [arch-general] wierdest kernel crashes when playing movies via plex

[Jude DaShiell]

With the latest kernel update I did yesterday espeak was stuttering and
it is a kernel-based application.
So I got curious and tried running speaker-test.  Speaker-test announced
itself but was unable to play any static over the default speaker jack.
Pulseaudio was running during all of this too.  So I can confirm this is
likely a deeper problem than just a screen reader and goes into
resources the screen reader uses in the kernel.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Ricardo Band wrote:

> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:24:35
> From: Ricardo Band 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Subject: [arch-general] wierdest kernel crashes when playing movies via plex
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Ahoi,
>
> I have a server that crashes in a few seconds when I start playing
> movies with plex and transcode them. Kernel, BIOS and Firmware updates
> and even changes most of the hardware didn't change anything.
>
> I thought maybe on this list are a few poeple that still have some
> ideas. I wrote the whole problem in much more detail down in the bbs:
>
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1911198#p1911198
>
> Do you have any ideas? I'm completely out of them. If you have
> questions ask me here or there.
>
> Thx for your help!
>
> - --
>
> Greetings
>
> Ricardo Band
>
>  https://   www.ricardo.band
> mailto:// em...@ricardo.band
>   xmpp://jab...@ricardo.band
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[arch-general] need to run previous kernel

[Jude DaShiell]

With grub what should be done when grub boots to run the kernel used
before the current default kernel?  On the older amd machine I have I
tried installing linux-amd and the git site timed out on me twice.  I
think that was during that last ddos attack though.  The newer machine has
linux-amd installed and running on it.  The current kernel on the older
machine that got updated yesterday has a serious speech impediment.  This
speech impediment effects espeakup and if I can I'm going to find out if
it also effects fenrir.


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Re: [arch-general] dash as default shell?

[Jude DaShiell]

Another proper consideration is continuity of development.  If a death
causes a shell to become abandonware as a result of a developer failing
to arrange for another to take the project on updates if they happen at
all will take some time.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Piscium via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:27:29
> From: Piscium via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Piscium 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] dash as default shell?
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 20:19, Kusoneko  wrote:
>
> > Pretty much this, to be honest. I don't really see the point of changing 
> > everyone's /bin/sh for one person's personal preference when there isn't 
> > really any point in doing so to begin with.
>
> The reasons Ubuntu switched in 2006 and Debian in 2011 were speed,
> less bugs and more security. A simple benchmark I ran with several
> shells using konsole (which is one of the fastest terminals according
> to my simple benchmarks):
>
> time ls -R /
>
> ? dash 8.45
> ? zsh 8.53 (1 % bigger)
> ? bash 17.1
> ? fish 19.55
>
> Times are in seconds, on my desktop that has a spinning drive. The
> first time it takes longer as the system caches stuff so the times
> above are after running a few times. I read that in some benchmarks
> dash is up to 4 times faster than bash.
>

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Re: [arch-general] what's wrong with my alsa configuration?

[Jude DaShiell]

Solved.  Turns out either alsa oand/or vlc get very upset when pulseaudio
isn't installed and running.  I installed pulseaudio-alsa then ran
pulseaudio --start in user account and errors disappeared.



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[arch-general] what's wrong with my alsa configuration?

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm using vlc to play a stream and got the same error when trying to play
an mp3 file earlier.  The stream and the file play eventually.  I searched
for this one using duckduckgo and got one result in german which I do not
speak and certainly do not do technical german which is why I'm asking
here.
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1052:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to create IPC
semaphore


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Re: [arch-general] foldingathome-beta setup

[Jude DaShiell]

I gave up on foldingathome-beta and installed the foldingathome package.
A little more information was in that package for setup.
The client was able to find an nvidia GEFORCe gpu on the machine so I
enabled the foldingathome-nvidia service and afterwards ran systemctl
status foldingathome and no errors this time and the system was given
500,000 steps and had completed 25,000 of them by the end of the status
information.  If this doesn't break I may be able to put it on a second
computer and double my meeger contribution to this effort.



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[arch-general] foldingathome-beta setup

[Jude DaShiell]

Is foldingathome-beta looking for the gpu on the  motherboard or video
card in my computer?  When I searched this machine I got an intel with a 9
series number after it along with nvidia nouveau and radeon graphics if
memory serves.  The radeon graphics would have come up since the video
monitor is a radeon 3 series if memory serves.
If I can figure out which one to use my guess is delete all other
incorrect lines in /opt/fah/GPUs.txt and maybe I get past this gpu error.
I'm running foldingathome-beta on command line and was running
foldingathome-noroot earlier until that package got replaced by this beta
package.



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Re: [arch-general] Graceful shutdown Arch Linux

[Jude DaShiell]

Not knowing the system in question a guess would be a .bash_logout file
if bash is the shell being used is needed to have sysctl stop
networkmanager.service in it, and may need more similar commands in it
too.

On Thu, 7 May 2020, Ram Kumar via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 11:10:32
> From: Ram Kumar via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Ram Kumar 
> Subject: [arch-general] Graceful shutdown Arch Linux
>
> Dear Arch users,
> I am Ramkumar from India, i use Archlinux with i3 and no login manager.
> When i try to shutdown the machine, it throws lot of warnings about
> ethernet port and etc..
> and when turning on the machine and open an application, say firefox, it
> shows like it has been crashed as if it was a forceful shutdown. But i
> checked it whether firefox is closed before shutting down and it was
> closed.
> I am worried whether i am doing some nasty things while shutting the
> machine down.
> Could you please help me with some graceful shutdown options for Arch linux?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> -Ramkumar
>

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[arch-general] foldingathome-beta almost working

[Jude DaShiell]

The beta runs and complains it can't find opencl driver running on slot 1.
Entirely reasonable since the computer foldingathome uses is running on
slot 2.  Does a way exist to redirect opencl to run on slot 2 where
foldingathome can use it and return a status report with no failures and
no errors in it?  Me using a screen reader I don't have much occasion to
do things with video drivers.  The monitor I use is compatible with
opencl-mesa not nvidia if that helps.


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[arch-general] foldingathome-beta fails

[Jude DaShiell]

The packagebuild does not download and install all dependencies for
foldingathome-client so cannot operate on systems that have used
foldingathome predecessor software like foldingathome-noroot.  I figured
it might work since I had configured foldingathome-client earlier and had
a valid configuration but no such luck.  So I will be cleaning this
package and all predecessor packages and associated data from this system.



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Re: [arch-general] changing nickname on arch infrastructure

[Jude DaShiell]

If those are irc channels it's entirely possible to have an unregistered
nickname stolen.  It happened to me very shortly after connecting to irc
for the first time.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020, Alexander Epaneshnikov via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:15:05
> From: Alexander Epaneshnikov via arch-general 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Cc: Alexander Epaneshnikov 
> Subject: [arch-general] changing nickname on arch infrastructure
>
> hello list, i need to change my nick on arch bug-tracker, forum and
> wiki. where and to whom do I need to write?
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved

[Jude DaShiell]

It's all good, man page has it listed as teapot but actual program is run
as teapot-planner and it runs too.



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Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks for your work on that PKGBUILD.  The package does build.  One
warning mbslen declared implicitly did you mean mblen came up just
before it built worksheet other warnings are for developers came up
earlier and those two were identical.  The executeable must have a name
different than teapot as shown in the synopsis part of the man page
since after building teapot wasn't found in files that could be run.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 07:56:27
> From: Rafael Fontenelle 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
>
> Jude,
>
> I managed to build teapot but setting LDFLAGS and CLAGS to correctly
> point to libtirpc. I also made some other minor improvements, and
> posted on the comments in the AUR page.
>
> If you want to try my PKGBUILD, see: http://ix.io/2hkp|
>
> Em qua., 8 de abr. de 2020 ?s 20:45, Jude DaShiell
>  escreveu:
> >
> > that package won't even build with libtirpc though it got a little
> > further this time.  I was curious about this package but can use it on
> > another version of Linux I run to check it out.
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Apr 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 19:21:37
> > > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > > Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> > > To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> > > Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
> > >
> > > thanks, I will try to take teapot further and see where it crashes.
> > > This is keenerd's package if I'm not much mistaken.  If that developer
> > > is no longer in circulation maybe the package needs flagged as outdated.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Lone_Wolf wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 19:01:06
> > > > From: Lone_Wolf 
> > > > Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> > > > 
> > > > To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
> > > >
> > > > Jude uses TalkingArch, logging in on AUR and adding comments may be near
> > > > impossible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jude, I've checked the files and it looks like teapot needs rpc/types.h 
> > > > and
> > > > rpc/xdr.h .
> > > >
> > > > The libtirpc package has those files but installing it doesn't help.
> > > >
> > > > The sourcecode for teapot is from 2012 and the package was never 
> > > > updated after
> > > > initial upload in 2015.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sc-im/? is an alternative ?
> > > >
> > > > It's a ncurses spreadsheet / calculator .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lone_Wolf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 08-04-2020 23:26, brent s. wrote:
> > > > > On 4/8/20 17:24, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > >> which package has the version of rpc.h teapot needs to build?
> > > > >> Whichever package that is, the dependency is missing from the build
> > > > >> script.
> > > > >>
> > > > > You should probably instead post this on the AUR package's comment
> > > > > section, as it is an AUR package and the maintainer is much more 
> > > > > likely
> > > > > to notice it there.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teapot/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
>

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Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved

[Jude DaShiell]

that package won't even build with libtirpc though it got a little
further this time.  I was curious about this package but can use it on
another version of Linux I run to check it out.

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 19:21:37
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
>
> thanks, I will try to take teapot further and see where it crashes.
> This is keenerd's package if I'm not much mistaken.  If that developer
> is no longer in circulation maybe the package needs flagged as outdated.
>
> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Lone_Wolf wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 19:01:06
> > From: Lone_Wolf 
> > Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> > To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> > Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
> >
> > Jude uses TalkingArch, logging in on AUR and adding comments may be near
> > impossible.
> >
> >
> > Jude, I've checked the files and it looks like teapot needs rpc/types.h and
> > rpc/xdr.h .
> >
> > The libtirpc package has those files but installing it doesn't help.
> >
> > The sourcecode for teapot is from 2012 and the package was never updated 
> > after
> > initial upload in 2015.
> >
> >
> > Maybe https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sc-im/? is an alternative ?
> >
> > It's a ncurses spreadsheet / calculator .
> >
> >
> > Lone_Wolf
> >
> >
> > On 08-04-2020 23:26, brent s. wrote:
> > > On 4/8/20 17:24, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >> which package has the version of rpc.h teapot needs to build?
> > >> Whichever package that is, the dependency is missing from the build
> > >> script.
> > >>
> > > You should probably instead post this on the AUR package's comment
> > > section, as it is an AUR package and the maintainer is much more likely
> > > to notice it there.
> > >
> > > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teapot/
> > >
> >
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved

[Jude DaShiell]

thanks, I will try to take teapot further and see where it crashes.
This is keenerd's package if I'm not much mistaken.  If that developer
is no longer in circulation maybe the package needs flagged as outdated.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Lone_Wolf wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 19:01:06
> From: Lone_Wolf 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] teapot package could be improved
>
> Jude uses TalkingArch, logging in on AUR and adding comments may be near
> impossible.
>
>
> Jude, I've checked the files and it looks like teapot needs rpc/types.h and
> rpc/xdr.h .
>
> The libtirpc package has those files but installing it doesn't help.
>
> The sourcecode for teapot is from 2012 and the package was never updated after
> initial upload in 2015.
>
>
> Maybe https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sc-im/? is an alternative ?
>
> It's a ncurses spreadsheet / calculator .
>
>
> Lone_Wolf
>
>
> On 08-04-2020 23:26, brent s. wrote:
> > On 4/8/20 17:24, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >> which package has the version of rpc.h teapot needs to build?
> >> Whichever package that is, the dependency is missing from the build
> >> script.
> >>
> > You should probably instead post this on the AUR package's comment
> > section, as it is an AUR package and the maintainer is much more likely
> > to notice it there.
> >
> > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teapot/
> >
>

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[arch-general] teapot package could be improved

[Jude DaShiell]

which package has the version of rpc.h teapot needs to build?
Whichever package that is, the dependency is missing from the build
script.



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Re: [arch-general] Time stamps are in 24 hour format how can you change this.

[Jude DaShiell]

That may be adjustable in orca settings if thunderbird respects orca
settings.  I think it's general and then date format and time format.

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020, Matthew dyer via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:57:46
> From: Matthew dyer via arch-general 
> To: 'General Discussion about Arch Linux' 
> Cc: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
> Subject: [arch-general] Time stamps are in 24 hour format how can you change
> this.
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am using Jenux which is a basic installer for arch Linux, but any I have
> notest that for some reason when using thunderbird with orca, Time and day
> are spoken in 24 hour format with year, month day followed by the time in 24
> hour format.  My time zone is set correctly.  For example 2020/2020/jfirstjf
> 15:jj.  Any one know how to switch to udds format?  It's driving me crazy.
> If I use orca to get the time it is spoken correctly.  Thanks all.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> PS, I have checked the arch wiki, but came up empty.  Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

Somehow /etc/asound.conf got broken on my system.  Once I used a rescue
disk and updated /etc/asound.conf with a valid copy created using the
rescue disk and espeakup and pick-speaker script on the rescue disk
espeakup now works again.  No idea how that happened since I hadn't
edited /etc/asound.conf.

Good to know this since it's something to check first in the event of
future trouble. On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, ? ??? via
arch-general wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:12:02
> From: ? ??? via arch-general 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Cc: ? ??? 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise
>
> hello. blind TalkingArch maintainer here.
>
> i think Jude's problem not related to the kernel or espeakup. if
> speaker-test doesn't work. that means either alsa or another sound
> system doesn't work.
>
> since I use the latest versions of packages and do not have such a
> problem, I can?t tell you more specifically. but perhaps you should see
> the logs.
>
>
> Sincerely, Alexander.
>
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

Problem solved, kernel was not responsible for speaker-test and espeakup
failures.
As near as I can figure it, my /etc/asound.conf file got corrupted somehow
and that was enough to temporarily break the system.
After having used the rescue disk and having selected my preferred speaker
set and having copied the generated asound.conf file into the arch-chroot
mounted system
speaker-test and the screen reader now works.  This time it's fenrir being
used since it's time I did the learning curve on that screen reader
anyway.



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Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

That being the case, it may be time to switch to fenrir.  On Sun, 22 Mar
2020, ITwrx wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:51:38
> From: ITwrx 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise
>
> On 3/22/20 8:28 AM, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 11:03, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >> 5.59-10 on the machine I use.  I'm using a different version of linux on
> >> another disk to write this message.
> >> Strangely, both speaker-test and espeakup no longer work.  The
> >> speaker-test failure would of course
> >> cover espeakup since espeakup uses sound card resources to do screen
> >> reading.
> >> Was anything done to the kernel to cause these failures?
> > Before Arch I used Fedora for 7 years. I found Fedora far more stable
> > than Arch when upgrading to a new Fedora version 3 months after
> > release when most bugs have been fixed. With Arch there is always
> > something that does not work properly and then days or weeks later it
> > starts working again. It is not Arch's fault, rather it results from
> > its KISS principle of making minimal or no changes to upstream
> > packages so you get all the issues from upstream. Fedora does lots of
> > patching and updates things less often so it is more stable than Arch.
> >
> > My suggestion is that if you are looking for reliability to use Debian
> > Stable which has a big choice of packages and it stable, or else
> > Fedora which is in between Debian Stable and Arch with respect to
> > up-to-date packages and stability. Arch might not be the best distro
> > for you. My ?0.02.
>
> i find Arch to be pretty stable, with one caveat: you have to use
> upstream software that will keep up with the rest of the ecosystem to a
> reasonable degree. I try not to use ancient software and only usually
> have problems with maintained software where the upstream devs choose
> the oldest lts distro they can find as their gnu+linux dev/support
> target. I looked at the programs espeakup is connected with, and espeak
> is from 2014, and the speakup download page was last modified in 2015.
>
> I suspect something finally quit working with modern gnu+linux, and not
> so much Arch, in particular. All that being said, if you need really old
> software, you may need a really old distro to run it on.
>

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Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

I have several pages of braille notes on installing arch and no that's
not the only proper installation documentation either.  There's a
beginner's installation guide which is far more detailed and that served
as some of the source for the notes I made.  As a result I've had a very
good command line install running for several past kernel versions and
the screen reader was running before this last update.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, leoutat...@gmx.fr wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:03:05
> From: leoutat...@gmx.fr
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise
>
> On 3/22/20 2:28 PM, Piscium via arch-general wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 11:03, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >>
> >> 5.59-10 on the machine I use.  I'm using a different version of linux on
> >> another disk to write this message.
> >> Strangely, both speaker-test and espeakup no longer work.  The
> >> speaker-test failure would of course
> >> cover espeakup since espeakup uses sound card resources to do screen
> >> reading.
> >> Was anything done to the kernel to cause these failures?
> >
> > Before Arch I used Fedora for 7 years. I found Fedora far more stable
> > than Arch when upgrading to a new Fedora version 3 months after
> > release when most bugs have been fixed. With Arch there is always
> > something that does not work properly and then days or weeks later it
> > starts working again.
> Hi
> Did you installed Arch in the right way?
> The only Arch installation method is here.
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide
> Since 22 years, i use Linux. After redhat, suse, gentoo, fedora, debian
> stable,testing and sid, i went to Arch. I get rare problems with Arch,
> less than with other distributions (except with venerable debian/stable)
> To become happy Arch user:
> First, very important: use linux-lts all and "lts" or "still" packages
> you can find. Non lts kernels *are not* stable. Then, don't update each
> day. Then, when you do something, you have to know what you are doing.
>
> --
> Maderios
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

Since the kernel update likely was responsible, and since I have
multiple different operating systems on more than one solid state drive
and have an arch rescue disk I think what I'll do is to put the disks in
and do the updates until after another kernel is installed in those
updates then try booting off the arch disk and see what works.  The
archlinux distro has treated me very well over the years I used it so
I'm not inclined to abandon it and the older kernel on the rescue disk
will do the screen reading during these updates.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Piscium via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 09:28:13
> From: Piscium via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Piscium 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] latest kernel update surprise
>
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 11:03, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > 5.59-10 on the machine I use.  I'm using a different version of linux on
> > another disk to write this message.
> > Strangely, both speaker-test and espeakup no longer work.  The
> > speaker-test failure would of course
> > cover espeakup since espeakup uses sound card resources to do screen
> > reading.
> > Was anything done to the kernel to cause these failures?
>
> Before Arch I used Fedora for 7 years. I found Fedora far more stable
> than Arch when upgrading to a new Fedora version 3 months after
> release when most bugs have been fixed. With Arch there is always
> something that does not work properly and then days or weeks later it
> starts working again. It is not Arch's fault, rather it results from
> its KISS principle of making minimal or no changes to upstream
> packages so you get all the issues from upstream. Fedora does lots of
> patching and updates things less often so it is more stable than Arch.
>
> My suggestion is that if you are looking for reliability to use Debian
> Stable which has a big choice of packages and it stable, or else
> Fedora which is in between Debian Stable and Arch with respect to
> up-to-date packages and stability. Arch might not be the best distro
> for you. My ?0.02.
>

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[arch-general] latest kernel update surprise

[Jude DaShiell]

5.59-10 on the machine I use.  I'm using a different version of linux on
another disk to write this message.
Strangely, both speaker-test and espeakup no longer work.  The
speaker-test failure would of course
cover espeakup since espeakup uses sound card resources to do screen
reading.
Was anything done to the kernel to cause these failures?


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[arch-general] post-install dependencies check

[Jude DaShiell]

Can pacman be used to find which packages are missing which optional
dependencies after an install?



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Re: [arch-general] A few out of date packages

[Jude DaShiell]

tintin-alteraeon can be added to that list since it no longer builds.

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:27:45
> From: Jelle van der Waa 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] A few out of date packages
>
> On 02/11/20 at 06:58pm, Genes Lists via arch-general wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Thank you again for all the great work managing and keeping
> > packages up to date. It is a significant amount of work and continues
> > to make Arch a really standout distro.
> >
> > That said, periodically I check the repos for out of date packages.
> >
> > I've selected a few to highlight based on age and my own view of
> > importance (no claim its a good view).
> >
> > So, here's a few that might benefit from an update:
> >Cal Pkg
> > NameVers Updt   Flag   CVers   DateAge Age Pkger
> > ---  -- -- --- --  --- -
> > thunderbird 68.4.2   200126 200211 68.5.0  200210  16  15 LP
> > bash5.0.011  191118 200208 5.0.016 200207  85  81 EF
> > fail2ban0.10.5   200112 200112 0.11.1  200111  30  -1 FY
> > ipset   7.4  191202 200109 7.5 200109  71  38 SL
> > samba   4.10.10  191114 191101 4.11.6  200128  89  75 TP
> > smbclient   4.10.10  191114 191101 4.11.6  200128  89  75 TP
> > ebtables2.0.10_4 181113 191203 2.0.11  190212 455 384 EF
> > biber   1:2.13   191101 191202 2.14191201 102  30 RO
> > diffstat1.62 190106 191130 1.63191129 401 327 AW
> > libelf  0.177191118 191128 0.178   191126  85   8 EF
> > elfutils0.177191118 191128 0.178   191126  85   8 EF
> > refind-efi  0.11.3   180723 181119 0.11.4  191112 568 112 TP [1]
> >
> > [1] 0.11.5 looks to be coming out soon
> >
> >   Cal Age = days since last update
> >   Pkg Age = days between current and arch release
> >   Cvers = Current version
> >
> > Packagers
> >  EF  Evangelos Foutras
> >  FY  Felix Yan
> >  SL  S?bastien Luttringer
> >  TP  Tobias Powalowski
> >  AW  Alad Wenter
> >  RO  R?my Oudompheng
> >  LP  Levente Polyak
> >
> > The packages that really standout to me are refind-efi and samba.
> >
> > Hopefully this is useful. Thanks and happy updating!
>
> Be aware that packagers might be busy, have limited time or various
> rebuilds need to happen. For samba for example there is an updated
> version in [testing]. For libelf, a rebuild is required which might make
> sense to wait until binutils has support for debuginfod so we don't have
> to rebuild it twice. [1]
>
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/65406
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] omega won't build

[Jude DaShiell]

Correction, it was the ncurses-5-compat package with the missing gpg key
not ncurses-6.  I found that out by ignoring all gpg checks and the other
thing with pikaur is it didn't keep the gpg key that was unknown on the
screen long enough for me to check with gpg2 and possibly import it.



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[arch-general] omega won't build

[Jude DaShiell]

the reason omega won't build will effect every package that has ncurses 6
as a dependency since the ncurses 6 public gpg key is unknown.  I could
ignore the key for now, but this isn't the best security practice on my
part so I aborted the build for now.

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Re: [arch-general] too many brick walls for graphical archlinux install

[Jude DaShiell]

I am pretty sure I got all of this figured out and it will likely need a
new install.
First install fenrir-screenreader not espeak.  Next install espeak-ng
and speech-dispatcher and gnome.
Once that's done get fenrir working then run spd-conf and take espeak-ng
and pulse for choices and do the tests.  If that works orca with gnome
ought to work.  espeak and espeakup do not work with spd-cay with
pulseaudio on the system and they're a command line interface dead end
by themselves as is festival.
I'll try doing this actual install to test and see if it will work and
post my findings here and if it does write something for the wiki a
little later.

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:55:59
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-gene...@lists.archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] too many brick walls for graphical archlinux
> install
>
> I commented some lines out in /etc/pulse/client.conf and
> /etc/pulse/daemon.conf.  Next thing to try is install speech-dispatcher
> and festival and voices for festival and see if I can get spd-say talking.
> If so, that will mean the edits on those pulse files were adequate and
> then gnome and orca theoretically will install and work correctly using
> alsa.
> I read about a nopulse package on the arch bbs site in messages but
> couldn't find that on aur so decided to do some edits on the pulse
> configuration files.
> If I ever get this working, I'll probably get myself an arch account and
> write something for the wiki so others won't have to guess the way I have
> if they want to install gnome on archlinux and have orca talking.
>
>
>
> --
>

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Re: [arch-general] too many brick walls for graphical archlinux install

[Jude DaShiell]

I commented some lines out in /etc/pulse/client.conf and
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf.  Next thing to try is install speech-dispatcher
and festival and voices for festival and see if I can get spd-say talking.
If so, that will mean the edits on those pulse files were adequate and
then gnome and orca theoretically will install and work correctly using
alsa.
I read about a nopulse package on the arch bbs site in messages but
couldn't find that on aur so decided to do some edits on the pulse
configuration files.
If I ever get this working, I'll probably get myself an arch account and
write something for the wiki so others won't have to guess the way I have
if they want to install gnome on archlinux and have orca talking.



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[arch-general] too many brick walls for graphical accessible environment on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

Without pulseaudio installed, I was able to choose festival for speech
output and alsa for output device when running spd-conf inside
speech-dispatcher on archlinux.
This is necessary to have speech from orca in any graphical user
interface.
Since espeak-ng and espeak conflict I loose speech in the console
installing espeak-ng since
documentation and probably systemd service files for espeak-ng appear
missing.
So I install gnome which has orca in it.  The pulseaudio package installs
along with all of its
core gnome dependencies and I try two things after that in order.
First in console run spd-conf again and pick festival as speech device and
pulseaudio as output device and spd-say is silenced.
So I try spd-conf again and pick festival for speech device and alsa as
output device.
Again silence from spd-say.
Next I run startx and get into gnome and try running orca.
All of the sudden none of the voice files festival was provisioned with
can be found anymore
and orca dies with an error.
The last thing I'm going to try with archlinux is a jenux install and
go for the graphical environment on the install and see if that works.
Slint actually uses espeak-ng and I have that running on another drive
to keep me in the game when failures like this happen.
All of this has been an interesting adventure.



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[arch-general] community/espeak-ng

[Jude DaShiell]

Does this package need some systemd additions like service files?  If not,
how can espeak-ng be configured so it starts up whenever a computer is
booted?  It's got no page in the archwiki and if I can get a replacement
of espeak done speech-dispatcher will work with it and if
speech-dispatcher works then I can get gnome and orca running too.



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[arch-general] rclone and dropbox

[Jude DaShiell]

did anyone ever manage to link their computer to a dropbox account using
rclone?  The package returns a bogus url to open that's supposed to finish
the linking but that url always returns error 404.



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Re: [arch-general] Kernel 5.3.5 and Kernel 5.3.6 perl warnings

[Jude DaShiell]

This doesn't happen with earlier kernel versions.  A contact I have uses
a Raspburry pi and he doesn't have this problem yet.  If I comment the
source /etc/locale.conf line out in my .bash_profile file, the perl
warnings come back on next reboot or until after I source .bash_profile.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, Ram Kumar via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:53:44
> From: Ram Kumar via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Ram Kumar 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Kernel 5.3.5 and Kernel 5.3.6 perl warnings
>
> Thank you Jude..
>
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 07:16, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > If you start getting warnings that perl failed to set locale that didn't
> > happen on earlier versions of the kernel I know how to fix that.
> > First you have to have everything correct in /etc/locale.conf.  If that's
> > the case, add to your ~/.bash_profile file
> > source /etc/locale.conf then save the edit and do source ~/.bash_profile
> > then run your perl application like maybe cpanplus or irssi and
> > if everything works on your system like it does on my system you won't get
> > those warnings again.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>

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[arch-general] Kernel 5.3.5 and Kernel 5.3.6 perl warnings

[Jude DaShiell]

If you start getting warnings that perl failed to set locale that didn't
happen on earlier versions of the kernel I know how to fix that.
First you have to have everything correct in /etc/locale.conf.  If that's
the case, add to your ~/.bash_profile file
source /etc/locale.conf then save the edit and do source ~/.bash_profile
then run your perl application like maybe cpanplus or irssi and
if everything works on your system like it does on my system you won't get
those warnings again.



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[arch-general] interesting /etc/locale.conf situation

[Jude DaShiell]

Kernel in use is 5.3.5 with I think all of the current systemd stuff
installed last night.
when I run cpanp I get warnings from perl stating setting locale failed
and listing variables that are unset.
However if I run source /etc/locale.conf then run cpanp, no warnings
appear.
What did I do wrong with this installation?
grep -inv "^#" /etc/locale.gen shows only line 176 as being uncommented.
localectl list-locales also shows that same value and no more than that
value.



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Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

[Jude DaShiell]

This will need checking into by screen reader experts, this change for
probably more than one unknown reason not only broke accessibility, it
made a system that did the grub beep and then had grub go spastic and the
system could do nothing else.  I have most of a braille page of pacstrap
commands I'll run and see if I have any better luck installing archlinux
the next time and that will be after coffee tomorrow and no sooner since
this will need my undivided attention for a while.



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Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

[Jude DaShiell]

One dependency that exists is netctl and dialog.  You can't use wifi-menu
unless dialog is pre-installed and wifi-menu if I'm not much mistaken is a
part of netctl.



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Re: [arch-general] Time and date in 24 hour time can this be fixed?

[Jude DaShiell]

For us command line users the date command has lots of parameters, and
bash can do aliases to save a date and/or time format you like when you
get it just right.  The info date command get anyone interested started.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019, matthew dyer via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:56:06
> From: matthew dyer via arch-general 
> To: Arch General 
> Cc: matthew dyer 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Time and date in 24 hour time can this be fixed?
>
> Thanks.  Will give this a try.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> > On Sep 14, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf via arch-general 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:56:46 -0400, Matthew Dyer via arch-general wrote:
> >> I am getting a sintax error when runn locale(1).  Locale is set to
> >> en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/locale.gebn.  At least it is uncommeted. Should I
> >> rerun the locale.-gen and see if that helps.
> >
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > if I were you I would replace /etc/locale.gen by
> > /etc/locale.gen.pacnew, uncomment the desired language/s, just in case
> > also take a look at /etc/locale.conf and then run
> > 'sudo locale-gen'.
> >
> > To get back 24 hour format (that's what I prefer over 12 hour format),
> > I restarted my machine,
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Locale#LC_TIME:_date_and_time_format .
> >
> > You might not necessarily need to restart the machine, but it doesn't
> > harm. The output of 'localectl status' does not display the real status!
> >
> > However, running 'locale; echo $?; locale -a; echo $?' must not cause a
> > syntax error, 'locale' must always return exit status '0' ;).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
>

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Re: [arch-general] script talkingarch

[Jude DaShiell]

probably not.  If you want that kind of hand-holding the urls were
already sent to this list for Jenux which has several scripts though
even with them they're not like the Javelin Missile which is a fire and
forget system (you do have to answer some questions).

On Sat, 3 Aug 2019, ad?rito wrote:

> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 08:19:28
> From: ad?rito  
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: "arch-general@archlinux.org" 
> Subject: [arch-general] script talkingarch
>
> Hello, is there a script to install talkingarch with espeakup or not?
>
> Enviado do Correio para Windows 10
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] talkingarch

[Jude DaShiell]

This works.
https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.21-x86_64.iso
https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.21-x86_64.iso.sha512
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:34:34
> From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux ,
> Jude DaShiell ,
> Rafael Fontenelle , aderito.carva...@sapo.pt
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] talkingarch
>
> Hey Jude.
>
>
> I receive the following error when I clicked the link:
>
> The requested URL was not found on this server. If you entered the URL
> manually please check your spelling and try again.
>
>
> On 7/30/19 7:31 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > another way can be done with:
> > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.29-x86_64.iso
> > https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.29-x86_64.iso.sha512
> > On Tue, 30 Jul 2019, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de
> > Souza wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 06:22:32
> >> From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza 
> >> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> >> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux ,
> >>  Rafael Fontenelle , aderito.carva...@sapo.pt
> >> Subject: Re: [arch-general] talkingarch
> >>
> >> Rafael, Thank you so much for the translation, I think it will help some
> >> people here.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/30/19 4:45 AM, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:
> >>> Ol?, Ad?rito.
> >>>
> >>> Traduzi a p?gina sobre TalkingArch no wiki do Arch Linux para sua
> >>> comodidade: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch_(Portugu?s)
> >>> Voc? pode encontrar mais informa??es sobre acessibilidade no Arch
> >>> Linux em: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acessibilidade
> >>> Para o guia oficial de instala??o do Arch Linux, leia em:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Guia_de_instala??o
> >>> Para contato em portugu?s com outros usu?rios do Arch, em sua maioria
> >>> brasileiros, acesse:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comunidades_internacionais#Portugu?s
> >>>
> >>> Estou ? disposi??o para o que puder lhe ajudar.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> ENGLISH version:
> >>>
> >>> I translated the page about TalkingArch in the Arch Linux's wiki for
> >>> your convenience:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch_(Portugu?s)
> >>> You can find more info about acessibility in Arch Linux in:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acessibilidade
> >>> For the official installation guide of Arch Linux, read:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Guia_de_instala??o
> >>> For contact in Portuguese with other users of Arch, most of them
> >>> Brazilians, see:
> >>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comunidades_internacionais#Portugu?s
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if I can help you somehow.
> >>>
> >>> Rafael Fontenelle
> >>>
> >>> Em dom, 28 de jul de 2019 ?s 09:04, ad?rito 
> >>> escreveu:
> >>>> Hello how do I install talkingarch send me the commands to install
> >>>> talkingarch. please.
> >>>>
> >>>> Enviado do Correio para Windows 10
> >>>>
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] talkingarch

[Jude DaShiell]

another way can be done with:
https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.29-x86_64.iso
https://nashcentral.duckdns.org/projects/Jenux-2019.07.29-x86_64.iso.sha512
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de
Souza wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 06:22:32
> From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux ,
> Rafael Fontenelle , aderito.carva...@sapo.pt
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] talkingarch
>
> Rafael, Thank you so much for the translation, I think it will help some
> people here.
>
>
> On 7/30/19 4:45 AM, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:
> > Ol?, Ad?rito.
> >
> > Traduzi a p?gina sobre TalkingArch no wiki do Arch Linux para sua
> > comodidade: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch_(Portugu?s)
> > Voc? pode encontrar mais informa??es sobre acessibilidade no Arch
> > Linux em: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acessibilidade
> > Para o guia oficial de instala??o do Arch Linux, leia em:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Guia_de_instala??o
> > Para contato em portugu?s com outros usu?rios do Arch, em sua maioria
> > brasileiros, acesse:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comunidades_internacionais#Portugu?s
> >
> > Estou ? disposi??o para o que puder lhe ajudar.
> >
> > 
> >
> > ENGLISH version:
> >
> > I translated the page about TalkingArch in the Arch Linux's wiki for
> > your convenience:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch_(Portugu?s)
> > You can find more info about acessibility in Arch Linux in:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acessibilidade
> > For the official installation guide of Arch Linux, read:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Guia_de_instala??o
> > For contact in Portuguese with other users of Arch, most of them
> > Brazilians, see:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comunidades_internacionais#Portugu?s
> >
> > Let me know if I can help you somehow.
> >
> > Rafael Fontenelle
> >
> > Em dom, 28 de jul de 2019 ?s 09:04, ad?rito 
> > escreveu:
> >> Hello how do I install talkingarch send me the commands to install
> >> talkingarch. please.
> >>
> >> Enviado do Correio para Windows 10
> >>
>

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Re: [arch-general] talkingarch

[Jude DaShiell]

Not useable since speech is too fast and first language of would-be
installer is portugese and nobody translated that tutorial for portugese
yet.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019, Justin Capella via arch-general wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 16:27:21
> From: Justin Capella via arch-general 
> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> Cc: Justin Capella 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] talkingarch
>
> https://talkingarch.tk/tutorials/TalkingArch%20Tutorial%20-%20Basic%20Installation.opus
>
> Is a link to audio instructions.
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 5:04 AM ad?rito  wrote:
>
> > Hello how do I install talkingarch send me the commands to install
> > talkingarch. please.
> >
> > Enviado do Correio para Windows 10
> >
> >
>

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Re: [arch-general] How long do you make the passphrase for the private key?

[Jude DaShiell]

The last standard the United States Navy used before it migrated to
smartcards was 16 characters with at least two digits; at least two
upper-case, at least two lower-case, and at least two special
characters.  A slight improvement on that would have been to insure the
pass phrase started and ended with a letter.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, Manuel Reimer wrote:

> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:02:57
> From: Manuel Reimer 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: [arch-general] How long do you make the passphrase for the private
> key?
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to publish a package repository with some packages that I need and only
> want to build once for all my systems.
>
> I want to make the packages available for general use. I have server space for
> that so I only have to rsync my final repo to my server after compiling my
> packages.
>
> I have my autobuild set up and signing seems to work, too.
>
> For convenience, I decided to make the passphrase not too long.
>
> I have 10 characters with both, alphanumeric and "special characters".
>
> I think if the passphrase is meant to be uncrackable alone, then we wouldn't
> need the big private key file, right?
>
> Is my passphrase long enough? What do the trusted users think about this
> topic?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Manuel
>
>

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Re: [arch-general] package contents on fresh Arch install, like python etc...

[Jude DaShiell]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019, mpan wrote:

> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 00:38:12
> From: mpan 
> Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] package contents on fresh Arch install,
> like python etc...
>
> > A day back, i made a fresh install of Arch on my desktop. It is completely
> > fresh as like it doesnt even have an account other than root.
> > My doubt is, wont basic tools like python come in Arch install? or do we
> > have to install by ourselves?
>   You are the administrator. You are choosing what you want to be
> installed. The base group contains only the basic tools and their
> dependencies.
>
> > also can anyone give me a brief approximate list of packages that will come
> > pre-installed in Arch, other than gnu tools?
>   pacman -Sg base
>
>
Also, man which
If you get a chance the linux cookbook will be informative reading given
your new position.

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[arch-general] lynx and lynx-current packages start up error message

[Jude DaShiell]

I take it since the following message goes out over stderr it's some kind 
of error.

sh: line 0: test: .: binary operator expected

This error happens after makepkg gets used to make and install 
lynx-current and happened earlier with lynx.

To clear this error, do I need to adjust some configuration on this end?

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Re: [arch-general] deluge post-install

[Jude DaShiell]

Interesting pip and pip3 found nothing.  pypi though found a bunch of 
packages.  Now I need to learn how to use pypi since when I did a search 
with the package I got into an unfamiliar interface and further with it 
than had been the case previously.


On Sat, 24 Mar 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:17:09
From: Jude DaShiell 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: John Ramsden via arch-general 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] deluge post-install

One problem,
Collecting python2-service-identity
 Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement 
python2-service-identity (from versions: )

No matching distribution found for python2-service-identity

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, John Ramsden via arch-general wrote:


 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:00:25
 From: John Ramsden via arch-general 
 To: arch-general 
 Cc: John Ramsden 
 Subject: Re: [arch-general] deluge post-install

 As the wiki mentions [1], you may need to install
 python2-service-identity.

 [1]
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Deluge#No_module_named_service_identity


 On 03/20/2018 02:55 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

  A warning about a missing service_identity module comes up when
  deluge-console is used and I am probably not taking all correct steps to
  install that module to clear this warning.? Is this something that can
  be
  left alone or has to be left alone?? If I found the right module when it
  installs it doesn't also bring in any dependencies.? Should the package
  build for deluge have this module and dependencies added to it?



  -- 








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Re: [arch-general] deluge post-install

[Jude DaShiell]

One problem,
Collecting python2-service-identity
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement 
python2-service-identity (from versions: )

No matching distribution found for python2-service-identity

On Tue, 20 Mar 
2018, John 
Ramsden via arch-general wrote:



Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:00:25
From: John Ramsden via arch-general 
To: arch-general 
Cc: John Ramsden 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] deluge post-install

As the wiki mentions [1], you may need to install python2-service-identity.

[1] 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Deluge#No_module_named_service_identity



On 03/20/2018 02:55 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 A warning about a missing service_identity module comes up when
 deluge-console is used and I am probably not taking all correct steps to
 install that module to clear this warning.? Is this something that can be
 left alone or has to be left alone?? If I found the right module when it
 installs it doesn't also bring in any dependencies.? Should the package
 build for deluge have this module and dependencies added to it?



 -- 





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[arch-general] deluge post-install

[Jude DaShiell]

A warning about a missing service_identity module comes up when 
deluge-console is used and I am probably not taking all correct steps to 
install that module to clear this warning.  Is this something that can be 
left alone or has to be left alone?  If I found the right module when it 
installs it doesn't also bring in any dependencies.  Should the package 
build for deluge have this module and dependencies added to it?




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Re: [arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

[Jude DaShiell]

I'll try that iso next and see if I get lucky.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, LoneVVolf wrote:


Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:17:16
From: LoneVVolf 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

On 18-02-18 13:27, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 After having run arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash one of the things I do is
 to run alsactl store.
 alsactl store returns error 125 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state no such file or
 directory.? Certainly there's no such file since when alsa was run before
 arch-chroot got run on system boot /mnt/var/lib/alsa directory was empty
 having just run pacstrap on /mnt.? So since this is supposed to work,
 could it be arch-chroot script fails to collect and pass along enough of
 the right environment information to its chrooted environment for alsactl
 store to run?? Details are available at:
 information at:
 http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=43f6670eb3bde26ad6491d2faa631625109f88d0




Kernel release:4.13.3-1-ARCH

Looks like you are using an older iso to install ?
If so, have you tried with the 2018.02.01 iso ?


LW




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Re: [arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

[Jude DaShiell]

Because I want the sound card operational on first boot.  I have two 
sets of speakers connected to the computer when I failed on that first 
install.  So I disconnected the usb set and the install failed again 
with the same error.  Finally after each install, I boot into arch and 
don't hear grub beep or any sound after that.  It could be the torrent I 
used was hacked since grub at least should have beeped even if the sound 
card didn't work.  Now it's possible I may need to use the be my eyes 
app on my iPhone to examine the screen for me to see if archlinux can't 
for some reason find the sound card and was maybe asking for some 
assistive input from me to get it going.


On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, ?yvind Heggstad wrote:


Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:00:58
From: ?yvind Heggstad 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:27:11 -0500
Jude DaShiell  wrote:


After having run arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash one of the things I
do is to run alsactl store.
alsactl store returns error 125 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state no such
file or directory.  Certainly there's no such file since when alsa
was run before arch-chroot got run on system boot /mnt/var/lib/alsa
directory was empty having just run pacstrap on /mnt.  So since this
is supposed to work, could it be arch-chroot script fails to collect
and pass along enough of the right environment information to its
chrooted environment for alsactl store to run?  Details are available
at: information at:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=43f6670eb3bde26ad6491d2faa631625109f88d0



As a sidenote: Why are you running alsactl store inside the chroot?



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[arch-general] archlinux install bottleneck

[Jude DaShiell]

After having run arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash one of the things I do is 
to run alsactl store.
alsactl store returns error 125 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state no such file or 
directory.  Certainly there's no such file since when alsa was run before 
arch-chroot got run on system boot /mnt/var/lib/alsa directory was empty 
having just run pacstrap on /mnt.  So since this is supposed to work, 
could it be arch-chroot script fails to collect and pass along enough of 
the right environment information to its chrooted environment for alsactl 
store to run?  Details are available at:

information at:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=43f6670eb3bde26ad6491d2faa631625109f88d0

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Re: [arch-general] lftp bug

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, this is good to know.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Doug Newgard via arch-general wrote:


Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:23:55
From: Doug Newgard via arch-general 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Cc: Doug Newgard 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] lftp bug

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:12:02 -0500
Jude DaShiell  wrote:


I don't know which is responsible for what.
I put together an lftp script and tried running the script to download a
torrent and am getting strange output.

Script started on 2018-02-07 10:35:38-0500
[jude@taf ~]$ cat debian.lftp
echo "downloading debian buster torrent"
#mget
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/*512*
#mget
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-buster-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent
torrent
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-buster-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent
[jude@taf ~]$ lftp -f debian.lftp
   downloading debian buster torrent
Assertion 'fd' failed at ../systemd-stable/src/basic/socket-util.c:1011,
function getpeergroups(). Aborting.
...ter-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent: Getting meta-data: [Resolving
host address...] ^C
[jude@taf ~]$ exit
exit

Script done on 2018-02-07 10:38:55-0500

Is this an upstream problem?



https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57388



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[arch-general] lftp bug

[Jude DaShiell]

I don't know which is responsible for what.
I put together an lftp script and tried running the script to download a 
torrent and am getting strange output.


Script started on 2018-02-07 10:35:38-0500
[jude@taf ~]$ cat debian.lftp
echo "downloading debian buster torrent"
#mget 
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/*512*
#mget 
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-buster-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent
torrent 
https://cdimage.debian.org:/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha2/amd64/bt-dvd/firmware-buster-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent

[jude@taf ~]$ lftp -f debian.lftp
  downloading debian buster torrent
Assertion 'fd' failed at ../systemd-stable/src/basic/socket-util.c:1011, 
function getpeergroups(). Aborting.
...ter-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent: Getting meta-data: [Resolving 
host address...] ^C

[jude@taf ~]$ exit
exit

Script done on 2018-02-07 10:38:55-0500

Is this an upstream problem?



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[arch-general] lftp: what happened with 4.83?

[Jude DaShiell]

I can't download and validate torrents with this package any longer.  Also 
unless I'm misunderstanding the man page, jobs once backgrounded are left 
stopped with lftp and not continued in the background.  The final problem 
I've found so far which is a real confidence shaker is transfer percentage 
never goes above 0% and this is after at least an hour in operation.




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[arch-general] offlineimap wiki page

[Jude DaShiell]

I found
IMAP:  offlineimap
is a syntax violation in my .muttrc file.  I am trying to set up 
offlineimap to sync my gmail account though I already have mutt able to 
read and write my gmail though not with encryption yet.  I have nmh 
installed and ran install-mh in my user directory.  Eventually if I can 
get offlineimap working I'd like to get whichever version of notmuch will 
work best with this arrangement installed and working too.


I tried this with different instructions and got as far as offlineimap -o 
and ran into an error since the gmail-repository ca-cert.crt file couldn't 
be found on my system.




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Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Jude DaShiell]

I can't use mouse-driven tools due to total blindness and a fine motor 
deficit.  However, that in no way stops me from using networkmanager.  I 
just use nmtui and if you want to set up most systems like debian or 
slint and slint has good accessibility nmtui brings up my wifi 
connection up nicely.


On Fri, 12 Jan 2018, Foxtrot Mike via arch-general wrote:


Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:48:33
From: Foxtrot Mike via arch-general 
To: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general 
Cc: Foxtrot Mike 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

Hi,

I use arch with i3wm. Been using for around 3 years. Still lovin it.
Dont really need a network manager when netctl can handle my wifi pretty
nicely. Actually I prefer typing over mouse-ing, so I would always
prefer a tool like netctl over mouse-driven tools such as network manager.

Peace.

On 07/24/2017 10:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:

Hello,

Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO? Isn't it widely accepted as
the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux? Is there any reason
for it not to be default?

Thanks

J






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Re: [arch-general] what is happening here?

[Jude DaShiell]

[0.785044] i8042: Warning: Keylock active
[   11.579821] Warning! ehci_hcd should always be loaded before uhci_hcd and 
ohci_hcd, not after
[   18.871909] speakup: module is from the staging directory, the quality is 
unknown, you have been warned.
[   18.902123] speakup_soft: module is from the staging directory, the quality 
is unknown, you have been warned.
[0.455171] RAS: Correctable Errors collector initialized.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Guus Snijders via arch-general wrote:


Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:35:44
From: Guus Snijders via arch-general 
To: General Discusson about Arch Linux 
Cc: Guus Snijders 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] what is happening here?

Op 29 nov. 2017 15:25 schreef "Jude DaShiell" :

[  491.146655] INFO: task systemd-udevd:128 blocked for more than 120
seconds.
[  491.147874]   Tainted: G C


Wild guess; any i/o errors in dmesg?

Udev appears to wait for some driver or device, so bad blocks on some
storage are the first thing that comes to mind.


Mvg, Guus Snijders



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[arch-general] what is happening here?

[Jude DaShiell]

[  491.146655] INFO: task systemd-udevd:128 blocked for more than 120 
seconds.

[  491.147874]   Tainted: G C  4.13.12-1-ARCH #1
[  491.149295] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables 
this message.






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Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

[Jude DaShiell]

I hadn't installed that many packages with cpan but found most of them 
came from archlinux repositories so reinstalling the packages whether up 
to date or not fixes this particular problem over here.


On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:


Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:52:33
From: Hunter Jozwiak 
To: Jude DaShiell ,
Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general ,
Joey Pabalinas 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

On Sat, 2017-06-24 at 11:51 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

What were all packages you reinstalled after deleting
/usr/lib/perl5/
and /usr/share/perl5/?

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general wrote:


Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:20:42
From: Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general 
To: Joey Pabalinas ,
General Discussion about Arch Linux 


Cc: Hunter Jozwiak 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 12:38 -0400, Joey Pabalinas via arch-general
wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general
 wrote:

I got bit by Perl this morning after I did an update. I got an
error
about having a handshake error with ListUtil.c, and I don't
know
how to
resolve this error.


If you have a ~/perl5/lib from using CPAN, files using the wrong
Perl
version in there may also be causing this error; try:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{,-bak}?

to see if this is the cause. If this doesn't work, you can easily
revert
the change with:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{-bak,}?

--
Joey Pabalinas



I was able to get rid of the problem by deleting /usr/lib/perl5 and
/usr/share/perl5 and reinstalling all packages. I also deleted the
Perl
directory in my home directory, and all things are working nicely.
Hope
this helps someone if they have this problem in the future.






All the packages on the system.


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Re: [arch-general] gnome fix needed

[Jude DaShiell]

So far as I know, pacman's cache was left untouched by the script.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Guus Snijders via arch-general wrote:


Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:37:48
From: Guus Snijders via arch-general 
To: General Discusson about Arch Linux 
Cc: Guus Snijders , arch-gene...@lists.archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] gnome fix needed

Op 10 sep. 2017 11:41 schreef "Jude DaShiell" :

I discovered this and was able to recover, and think gnome could do with a
fix.


You do sound a bit mysterious here :).
Apparently you discovered something, but don't tell what it is. Kudos for
capturing attention, but don't expect a fix for anything soon...

I put together a script to completely erase gnome from this system and for
the most part that script worked really well.  The exception was that it
also removed wpa_supplicant

[.. ]

I put wpa_supplicant back on the system using the install disk


Did your script also delete pacman's cache? Otherwise it would have been
there in /var/cache/pacman/pkg (from the top of my head).

[Sudo, xorg, segfault]

Okay, that's a sudden twist. The message starts with the subject of a Gnome
problem, continues on a removal script and ends with a question on a
sudo/xorg question.

With a little work, it could probably become a great forum or blogpost, but
for a technical mailinglist it's a bit too puzzling. We usually love to
puzzle out a solution for a *specific* problem.
In this case, I still don't know where the problem is, other then sudo or
xorg crashing. But perhaps it's just me...?


Mvg,  Guus Snijders



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[arch-general] gnome fix needed

[Jude DaShiell]

I discovered this and was able to recover, and think gnome could do with a 
fix.
I put together a script to completely erase gnome from this system and for 
the most part that script worked really well.  The exception was that it 
also removed wpa_supplicant since I had cascading and recursive and 
unneeded packages being removed.  Without wpa_supplicant on a system that 
system in command line mode isn't getting out onto the internet.  I put 
wpa_supplicant back on the system using the install disk I have and the 
internet at least is working correctly.


I was trying to get orca talking on the system and couldn't do it so 
figured it's best if I start with a clean slate which is the reason for 
the removal script.  I'll run it for xorg and mate before I'm finished and 
try to get all of this stuff running again without questionable 
configuration files on the system.  I think I may get lucky.  According to 
email from another list, apparently neither gdm nor lightdm will get us 
screen reader users to a talking orca, but xorg should get that job done. 
If someone has the time, please run sudo -H Xorg --configure and let me 
know if that command errors out with a segmentation fault at address 0x50 
or any other address or if you get a configuration file generated.  It 
could be xorg configuration on this system is also messed up beyond repair 
and I'll have to clean that out too.




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Re: [arch-general] Cinnamon desktop and keybindings

[Jude DaShiell]

stumpwm was written entirely in lisp and is text-oriented.  I almost got 
that talking earlier though.  Mate I got talking on archlinux and tried 
to get gnome talking once installed too but that didn't work.  If I find 
out how to get gnome talking using archlinux and orca after a basic 
command line installation in which espeak is working and if I find out 
how to contribute to the archlinux wiki I think I'll write an article on 
how to do that and contribute.  This for my own future reference and to 
help any other interested people in the future.


On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, beest wrote:


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:27:08
From: beest 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Cinnamon desktop and keybindings

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 02:24:59AM +0200, Jeanette C. via arch-general wrote:

Hi Joao,
thanks for that. That sounds like practical and sound advise. I'll give
those a go for a start. Presently, I'm back with MATE, which works OK,
but something light, fast and robust would be great. :)


I do wonder if a tiling window manager would be ideal under these
circumstances, given that most are broadly configurable and designed
around keyboard navigation. What I can't attest to is how well they
cooperate with assistive technologies, and my knowledge on the subject
is about 25 years out of date.

However, at the end of the day there's always GNOME, which seems to have
more resources than anyone with regards to accessibility and is actively
tested with screen readers and Braille displays. Of course it also isn't
exactly known for being "light", but there it is.



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Re: [arch-general] Increase console size regardless of screen size

[Jude DaShiell]

I thought that was rows and cols for the variable names to do this, but 
could be wrong.


On Sun, 27 Aug 2017, Storm Dragon via arch-general wrote:


Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 10:14:10
From: Storm Dragon via arch-general 
To: Arch Linux General 
Cc: Storm Dragon 
Subject: [arch-general] Increase console size regardless of screen size

Howdy,
I am blind, and don't even have a screen connected to this computer. For some 
reason, my console size is 30 lines and 80 columns. I've not seen this small 
of a console before. they usually have 50+ lines and over 100 columns.


I have searched for quite a while, but not found anything about increasing 
the console size. I did find a python script that will set the screen to the 
actual size, but it returns 30 80 as well, so no luck there either. One site 
said you  could just export the lines and columns you want, but that failed, 
even though the variables were set correctly.


Is there any way to set the lines and columns regardless of the size your 
computer believes the screen to be?

Thanks for any help,
Storm



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[arch-general] pacman man page needs at least one update

[Jude DaShiell]

pacman -g and pacman --groups both appear no longer working.  Neither in 
that form generates a current list of groups.



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Re: [arch-general] tclx upgrade failure

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks much.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, beest wrote:


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:50:51
From: beest 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] tclx upgrade failure

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 09:34:30PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have the tcl and tclx packages installed since those are emacspeak
dependencies and I use emacspeak for now.
Earlier today I had this upgrade failure:

error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: tclx: installing tcl (8.6.7-1) breaks dependency 'tcl=8.6.6'

Do I need to ignore a package temporarily or do something else to clear this
error?


No, you just need to update your tclx package. The tclx PKGBUILD in the
AUR was just updated today to build against tcl 8.6.7.



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Re: [arch-general] package upgrade failure

[Jude DaShiell]

I decided to try removing tclx from the system and once that got done it 
broke no other dependency and the upgrade went off without a hitch.  That 
tclx package had 8.4 for a version number so wasn't keeping up with the 
rest of tcl.




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[arch-general] tclx upgrade failure

[Jude DaShiell]

I have the tcl and tclx packages installed since those are emacspeak 
dependencies and I use emacspeak for now.

Earlier today I had this upgrade failure:

error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: tclx: installing tcl (8.6.7-1) breaks dependency 'tcl=8.6.6'

Do I need to ignore a package temporarily or do something else to clear 
this error?




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Re: [arch-general] unresolveable dependencies

[Jude DaShiell]

The problem library is used by mbrola and I had never managed to get 
that package working so removing it along with support files got me 
about 35mb of disk space freed up.


On Fri, 18 Aug 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:00:12
From: Jude DaShiell 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-gene...@lists.archlinux.org
Subject: [arch-general] unresolveable dependencies

resolving dependencies...
warning: cannot resolve "glibc>=2.26", a dependency of "lib32-glibc"
:: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable dependencies:
 lib32-glibc

:: Do you want to
Is it reasonable to add libc32-glibc to my ignore packages list?
I could also remove a couple 32-bit repositories from this machine too since 
something I was planning to do with orca never panned out too.




--



--

[arch-general] unresolveable dependencies

[Jude DaShiell]

resolving dependencies...
warning: cannot resolve "glibc>=2.26", a dependency of "lib32-glibc"
:: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable 
dependencies:

  lib32-glibc

:: Do you want to
Is it reasonable to add libc32-glibc to my ignore packages list?
I could also remove a couple 32-bit repositories from this machine too 
since something I was planning to do with orca never panned out too.




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Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Jude DaShiell]

Probably sed could be used to plug that router password into 
wpa_supplicant.conf very quickly.  I think I can probably figure what 
may be a one-liner script to do that.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Jo?o Miguel via arch-general wrote:


Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 19:11:31
From: Jo?o Miguel via arch-general 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Cc: Jo?o Miguel 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

A 2017-07-24T07:54:02 +, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general escreveu:

I've installed ArchLinux on 3 desktops so far, and I've done them
successfully, so I must have *RTFM* , I was just wondering why is it
hard to configure wifi. Since I failed to configure wifi with
wpa_supplicant. I'll try with wifi-menu today, and report progress.


That's odd, I never had any trouble with it (and damn me, I installed it
3 times in a row when I started) and with different configurations "man
wpa_supplicant.conf" always helped me when I needed it (I don't use the
CLI).

The upside is that one only needs to configure any network once, then I
can copy the details to all systems as needed. Works across various
distros. Also, when people ask you the passphrase just do "grep -A2
network_name wpa_supplicant.conf".

And now dhcpcd even starts wpa_supplicant on its own! It's amazing!

Just my 2 cents worth of experience,
Jo?o Miguel



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Re: [arch-general] (Off-topic) Command-line torrent download tool

[Jude DaShiell]

lftp with torrent command used inside has been known to work too.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Jan Koppe wrote:


Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:43:28
From: Jan Koppe 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] (Off-topic) Command-line torrent download tool


On 24.07.2017 20:25, Storm Dragon via arch-general wrote:

Howdy,
I'm glad there's now something other than rtorrent. Rtorrent works
usually, but there are some torrents that just refuse to work with it,
hopefully this new, in development CLI tool will fil in the gap.


you might want to take a look at aria2c.




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Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Jude DaShiell]

A temporary ethernet connection in another location likely will work 
with sufficient download privileges.


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:


Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:21:49
From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general 
To: "arch-general@archlinux.org" 
Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

How can I install dialog when I don't have wifi?

Sent from BlueMail<http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=10066>
On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Jude DaShiell 
mailto:jdash...@panix.com>> wrote:

try the -o switch with wifi-menu is helpful and make sure you already have
the dialog package installed before you run wifi-menu.  On Mon, 24 Jul
2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:54:02
From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general 
To: "arch-general@archlinux.org" 
Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

I've installed ArchLinux on 3 desktops so far, and I've done them
successfully, so I must have *RTFM* , I was just wondering why is it
hard to configure wifi. Since I failed to configure wifi with
wpa_supplicant. I'll try with wifi-menu today, and report progress.


No need to be so aggressive man.


On 07/24/2017 01:48 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote:
A general Arch installation is nothing but a minimal set
of GNU/Linux system with a package manager, which
can be configured into anything. I'm not going any
further for you have made yourself clear that you
haven't done your research. Offensive as it can be, I'd
say *RTFM*.

PS: It's apparently navie to say sth like Arch is nothing
but a desktop for archlinux.org<http://archlinux.org> itself runs on Arch Linux.


RW

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
CC: Junayeed Ahnaf

All fine and good but I don't see arch being installed on something
other than desktop/laptop. Of course there are niche cases as arch
server I do not doubt but how much of arch install base is traditional
desktop? I think it's rather high.


On 07/24/2017 01:30 PM, ITwrx.org<http://ITwrx.org> wrote:
On 07/24/2017 12:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:
Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO?
Arch Linux is not like desktop focused distributions. Therefore, it's
ISO does not come with "everything but the kitchen sink" where you have
a turn-key desktop after running a GUI installer or install script. It
has the base set of software you need to assemble what you need for your
given install target.

Isn't it widely accepted as
the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux?
No, not in general like that. Network manager is primarily used for
network management with desktop environments, most commonly Gnome, as
the other respondent noted. Arch Linux is used in many different ways,
not only for the desktop.

Is there any reason
for it not to be default?
The defaults for the ISO would generally be the simpler options, and
less likely to be something large with a lot of dependencies.  Also,
minimalist ISOs were the norm rather than the exception in years past
and for Reasons. They still are in some cases or with some distros.
Also, there are not always application defaults with Arch Linux like you
might have with a desktop distro. Arch is "DIY/build your own and choose
your own defaults (for the most part)" type of distro.




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Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

[Jude DaShiell]

try the -o switch with wifi-menu is helpful and make sure you already have 
the dialog package installed before you run wifi-menu.  On Mon, 24 Jul 
2017, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:



Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:54:02
From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general 
To: "arch-general@archlinux.org" 
Cc: Junayeed Ahnaf 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

I've installed ArchLinux on 3 desktops so far, and I've done them
successfully, so I must have *RTFM* , I was just wondering why is it
hard to configure wifi. Since I failed to configure wifi with
wpa_supplicant. I'll try with wifi-menu today, and report progress.


No need to be so aggressive man.


On 07/24/2017 01:48 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote:

A general Arch installation is nothing but a minimal set
of GNU/Linux system with a package manager, which
can be configured into anything. I'm not going any
further for you have made yourself clear that you
haven't done your research. Offensive as it can be, I'd
say *RTFM*.

PS: It's apparently navie to say sth like Arch is nothing
but a desktop for archlinux.org itself runs on Arch Linux.


RW

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO
From: Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
CC: Junayeed Ahnaf

All fine and good but I don't see arch being installed on something
other than desktop/laptop. Of course there are niche cases as arch
server I do not doubt but how much of arch install base is traditional
desktop? I think it's rather high.


On 07/24/2017 01:30 PM, ITwrx.org wrote:

On 07/24/2017 12:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote:

Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO?

Arch Linux is not like desktop focused distributions. Therefore, it's
ISO does not come with "everything but the kitchen sink" where you have
a turn-key desktop after running a GUI installer or install script. It
has the base set of software you need to assemble what you need for your
given install target.


Isn't it widely accepted as
the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux?

No, not in general like that. Network manager is primarily used for
network management with desktop environments, most commonly Gnome, as
the other respondent noted. Arch Linux is used in many different ways,
not only for the desktop.


Is there any reason
for it not to be default?

The defaults for the ISO would generally be the simpler options, and
less likely to be something large with a lot of dependencies.  Also,
minimalist ISOs were the norm rather than the exception in years past
and for Reasons. They still are in some cases or with some distros.
Also, there are not always application defaults with Arch Linux like you
might have with a desktop distro. Arch is "DIY/build your own and choose
your own defaults (for the most part)" type of distro.





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Re: [arch-general] systemd on bios computer

[Jude DaShiell]

It turns out that package was installed, thanks for the info and help.

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:36:37
From: Jude DaShiell 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: Eli Schwartz via arch-general 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] systemd on bios computer

That's not a package I specifically installed, but may have been pulled in by 
another package dependency.  I'll check for the package and remove it if 
found.

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:


Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 15:21:31
From: Eli Schwartz via arch-general 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Cc: Eli Schwartz 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] systemd on bios computer

On 07/04/2017 02:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

When doing a systemd upgrade I get:
(3/7) Upgrading systemd-boot...
Couldn't find EFI system partition. It is recommended to mount it to
/boot. Alternatively, use --path= to specify path to mount point.
error: command failed to execute correctly
Are either of the above alternatives even viable for a real bios machine?
This one got built when efi was somewhere on the drawing board or maybe
before efi ever got to the drawing board.


Sounds like you have the AUR package "systemd-boot-pacman-hook"
installed, which automatically runs `/usr/bin/bootctl update` after
every update of the systed package.

*Why* do you have that installed on a BIOS machine? This command is only
relevant for people who are using systemd-boot as their boot manager on
a computer that uses UEFI, and the error message is quite right in
saying that it cannot find an EFI System Partition for UEFI booting...
on a machine that boots via BIOS rather than UEFI.







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Re: [arch-general] systemd on bios computer

[Jude DaShiell]

That's not a package I specifically installed, but may have been pulled 
in by another package dependency.  I'll check for the package and remove 
it if found.

On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:


Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 15:21:31
From: Eli Schwartz via arch-general 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Cc: Eli Schwartz 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] systemd on bios computer

On 07/04/2017 02:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

When doing a systemd upgrade I get:
(3/7) Upgrading systemd-boot...
Couldn't find EFI system partition. It is recommended to mount it to
/boot. Alternatively, use --path= to specify path to mount point.
error: command failed to execute correctly
Are either of the above alternatives even viable for a real bios machine?
This one got built when efi was somewhere on the drawing board or maybe
before efi ever got to the drawing board.


Sounds like you have the AUR package "systemd-boot-pacman-hook"
installed, which automatically runs `/usr/bin/bootctl update` after
every update of the systed package.

*Why* do you have that installed on a BIOS machine? This command is only
relevant for people who are using systemd-boot as their boot manager on
a computer that uses UEFI, and the error message is quite right in
saying that it cannot find an EFI System Partition for UEFI booting...
on a machine that boots via BIOS rather than UEFI.




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[arch-general] systemd on bios computer

[Jude DaShiell]

When doing a systemd upgrade I get:
(3/7) Upgrading systemd-boot...
Couldn't find EFI system partition. It is recommended to mount it to 
/boot. Alternatively, use --path= to specify path to mount point.

error: command failed to execute correctly
Are either of the above alternatives even viable for a real bios machine? 
This one got built when efi was somewhere on the drawing board or maybe 
before efi ever got to the drawing board.




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[arch-general] anyone using flyspray app?

[Jude DaShiell]

If so, can the lynx browser run setup and then run flyspray after setup or 
is this going to need a g.u.i. browser?




--

[arch-general] lynx update incorrect

[Jude DaShiell]

Line 93 of /etc/lynx.cfg was incorrectly reverted.  The real home page for 
lynx is at:

http://lynx.invisible-island.net/

The lynx.isc.org site got taken down in I think June of 2016.


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Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

[Jude DaShiell]

What I did wasn't perfect but works well enough for now.  After removing 
both directories I was able to run cpan with no problems.  The cpanp 
command came up with errors on several missing packages.  I used cpan to 
reinstall those missing packages and now have cpanp working as well as 
cpan.  I figure with the two of those perl installation and update 
programs working should a problem arise in the future I'll probably be 
able to fix it with one of the utilities.


On Sat, 24 Jun 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:51:12
From: Jude DaShiell 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general ,
Joey Pabalinas 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

What were all packages you reinstalled after deleting /usr/lib/perl5/ and 
/usr/share/perl5/?


On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general wrote:


Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:20:42
From: Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general 
To: Joey Pabalinas ,
General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Cc: Hunter Jozwiak 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 12:38 -0400, Joey Pabalinas via arch-general
wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general
 wrote:

I got bit by Perl this morning after I did an update. I got an
error
about having a handshake error with ListUtil.c, and I don't know
how to
resolve this error.


If you have a ~/perl5/lib from using CPAN, files using the wrong Perl
version in there may also be causing this error; try:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{,-bak}?

to see if this is the cause. If this doesn't work, you can easily
revert
the change with:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{-bak,}?

--
Joey Pabalinas



I was able to get rid of the problem by deleting /usr/lib/perl5 and
/usr/share/perl5 and reinstalling all packages. I also deleted the Perl
directory in my home directory, and all things are working nicely. Hope
this helps someone if they have this problem in the future.






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Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

[Jude DaShiell]

What were all packages you reinstalled after deleting /usr/lib/perl5/ 
and /usr/share/perl5/?


On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general wrote:


Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:20:42
From: Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general 
To: Joey Pabalinas ,
General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Cc: Hunter Jozwiak 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 12:38 -0400, Joey Pabalinas via arch-general
wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general
 wrote:

I got bit by Perl this morning after I did an update. I got an
error
about having a handshake error with ListUtil.c, and I don't know
how to
resolve this error.


If you have a ~/perl5/lib from using CPAN, files using the wrong Perl
version in there may also be causing this error; try:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{,-bak}?

to see if this is the cause. If this doesn't work, you can easily
revert
the change with:

?mv ~/perl5/lib{-bak,}?

--
Joey Pabalinas



I was able to get rid of the problem by deleting /usr/lib/perl5 and
/usr/share/perl5 and reinstalling all packages. I also deleted the Perl
directory in my home directory, and all things are working nicely. Hope
this helps someone if they have this problem in the future.



--

Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

[Jude DaShiell]

One of the comments I read on a few perl packages being updated by amish 
was to update to pgrel=2 to force a recompile.  That may have been 
pgrel=3.  I'd like to know how to do that with perl myself.  Maybe that 
will help.


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general wrote:


Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 09:11:00
From: Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Cc: Hunter Jozwiak 
Subject: [arch-general] Perl Help?

Hi gang,

I got bit by Perl this morning after I did an update. I got an error
about having a handshake error with ListUtil.c, and I don't know how to
resolve this error. I can't open cpan, launch Chromium, and I'm not
sure what all else is broken at this point. Can someone help me towards
a solution?

Thanks,

Hunter



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Re: [arch-general] [Questions] Questions from past project and ideas fomr -dev-public that get silence.

[Jude DaShiell]

Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
On Apr 30, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Alexander Harrigan 
 wrote:

I think the problem is lack of information about statuses of various projects.
Users can't disticnt between something that is being worked on slowly because
of lack of time of dev or technical difficulties and something totally
forgotten. I think it would be helpful if features/isues discussed here have
official tickets in Arch bugsystem where everyone could see current status
with dev commentary and could ask questions. It doesn't need to be updated
daily or weekly but we could point to it everyone who's interested instead of
creating new topics here or on forum over and over.

On On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 08:33 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski
 wrote:

> On 2017-04-30 09:43, Pablo Roberto Lezaeta Reyes via arch-general wrote:

> > During this and the end of previous year some ideas and projects
were

> > started to adress some problems, but most of them get now silence
and

> > nothing more.

> > I'm talking about

> >

> > * ABS deprecation draft, Will be one or just ABS will be removed and
ASP

> > (which sound like Active Server Pages) will be pushed or both will
coexist

> > until it get broken?

>

> asp is already in extra. Yesterday I prepared changes to Ansible

> playbooks and another one for disabling ABS. I just need to write a news

> draft.

> (Again, because I believe not everyone gets it: we're doing everything

> in our personal, free time; our lives do not end on making Arch.)

>

> > * What happend with the project of sign-off from non TU that was
mentioned

> > a few months? Is still runing? is there a way/path to get involved?

>

> We're getting signoffs from selected group of testers. You can contact

> Florian Pritz if you want to become one; we should probably think about

> more formal way of getting new people in.

>

> > * What about the new build flags [1], Now that Allan is not more the

> > maintainer and that either Debian and Fedora enabled PIE on binutils

> > sucessfully aparently, What will happend? Will it be enabled? What
about

> > the other flags?

>

> The issue has been fixed upstream; as noted previously I will handle

> this when time allows. This will definitely happen sooner than later,

> probably in May.

>

> Bartłomiej

>

>

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Re: [arch-general] systemd latest upgrade

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks for this information, the last update I did this morning didn't 
have the Arming message show up so I think maybe an update closed this 
vulnerability.


On Wed, 1 Feb 2017, Jelle van der Waa wrote:


Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 04:12:52
From: Jelle van der Waa 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] systemd latest upgrade

On 01/31/17 at 04:18pm, Jude DaShiell wrote:

For the last several systemd upgrades an error complaining about a missing
uefi directory has come out when those upgrades were being installed. Today
that happened too.


No clue


However any package install now finishes with the
message:
Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate 


That's just a pacman hook to touch /var, for the recent CVE issue in
systemd  [1] [2]

[1] 
https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/systemd&id=59541b72a7ec32b30343a2a388b40ea1365f6308
[2] http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/01/24/4




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[arch-general] systemd latest upgrade

[Jude DaShiell]

For the last several systemd upgrades an error complaining about a missing 
uefi directory has come out when those upgrades were being installed. 
Today that happened too.  However any package install now finishes with 
the message:

Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate 

This system is an old x86-64 system with bios on it not uefi so I'm 
curious to know if there is anything I can do or anything I really ought 
to do about this message.




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Re: [arch-general] Basic questions about Linux's sound system

[Jude DaShiell]

It helps when screen reading or speech synthesis is real time or as near 
to real time as possible.  Thanks for putting this information out since 
I could use one set of speakers for speech and another set I have 
connected for other audio when I can figure out how to get it correctly 
configured until you replied, I didn't even know this was possible.


On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:10:08
From: Ralf Mardorf 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Basic questions about Linux's sound system

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:29:12 -0500 (EST), Jude DaShiell wrote:

The consortium is freedesktop.org


No, I was thinking about 2 very selfish coders with very contemptuous,
bad manners, one is a "special" friend of Linus Torvalds, IOW Mr.
Torvalds is very upset, the other coder mainly responsible for
pulseaudio, didn't behave better, when pulseaudio failed. Both follow a
"fix your software, when my software is buggy, to make my software
work" attitude. They might have contributed good things to Linux,
but live often is easier without some of their programming. However,
this is the wrong place to wake up this discussion again. I only chime
in, because I guess it's important to recommend against pulseaudio,
when a user mentions to use Rosegarden or similar real-time audio
related software.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: [arch-general] Basic questions about Linux's sound system

[Jude DaShiell]

The consortium is freedesktop.org and it also made wifi-menu.  However, 
in terms of pulseaudio I think in many instances it's more trouble than 
helpful.  For one thing, the terminology in the software is alien to 
alsa and sometimes pulseaudio gets confused and I have to use a script 
to correct the sound output over here that handles alsa and straightens 
my configuration out.

People using orca have had and have issues with pulseaudio too.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:43:55
From: Ralf Mardorf 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Basic questions about Linux's sound system

Hi,

I only replied because your graphic shows "Rosegarden". If you should
use Rosegarden, you should get rid of pulseaudio.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi rosegarden | grep Dep
Depends On  : liblrdf  dssi  fftw  lirc  perl  qt5-tools  shared-mime-info  
liblo>=0.28
Optional Deps   : lilypond: notation display

Pulseaudio is not good for this kind of task.

ALSA is the only thing required for sound, since it's the layer with
the audio drivers. Pulseaudio needs ALSA, but ALSA doesn't need
pulseaudio. The people responsible for pulseaudio made a lot of noise
when pulseaudio didn't work correctly with ALSA, while ALSA on it's own
worked. It's a "consortium" of coders who cause a lot of trouble, not
only with pulseaudio. Soundservers such as pulseaudio or jackd provide
some comfort. For the desktop I just use the bell (beep of the PC
speaker) and an audio interface for webradio, videos and things like
this. Only for audio productions I'm using a sound server, jackd. You
only need crappy sound servers such as pulseaudio for software that is
bad programmed, AFAIK it's skype or if you want to listen to webradio
and recycle bin crackles at the same time, without using ALSA's dmix.
AFAIK pulseaudio allows you to play a video and a media player at the
same time using different sample rates. In short, without some kind of
"patch bay" only one app could use a single audio device. A sound
server provides the comfort to connect several apps to a single audio
device. From my audio engineer's point of view, everybody who uses
pulseaudio either makes something fundamentally wrong or is a lazy
android who wants to listen to several sound sources at the same time,
without configuring plain ALSA to do it. I doubt that many humans
seriously like to listen to several sound sources at the same time. For
audio productions OTOH it makes sense to have a virtual patch bay that
is real-time capable and in addition easily allows to chose sample rate
and frames, so jackd makes sense for such a task, but even in
this context using pulseaudio still would be counter-productive.

IMO pulseaudio is good for absolutely nothing, but just could be the
cause for serious issues.

I installed a dummy package, just in case pulseaudio should be a
hard dependency for software, that actually doesn't need it, because I
don't want to rebuild those packages without the pulseaudio requirement.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pactree -r pulseaudio
pulseaudio
??pulseaudio-alsa
 ??cinnamon-settings-daemon
 ? ??cinnamon
 ? ??cinnamon-control-center
 ?   ??cinnamon
 ??vokoscreen
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi pulseaudio | head -12
Name: pulseaudio
Version : 2013.08.18-1
Description : Dummy package
Architecture: any
URL : None
Licenses: None
Groups  : None
Provides: pulseaudio
Depends On  : None
Optional Deps   : None
Required By : pulseaudio-alsa
Optional For: fluidsynth  phonon-qt4  phonon-qt5  speech-dispatcher

It's to funny, I never used cinnamon and never used vokoscreen,so I
could remove them. However, in the past I used some software with a hard
dependency to pulseaudio without having pulseaudio installed. Much
likely cinnamon and vokoscreen will work without pulseaudio, too. The
old AUR once provided gnome-settings-daemon-nopulse.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls /var/aur3/gnome-settings-daemon-nopulse/
gnome-settings-daemon.install  PKGBUILD

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: [arch-general] mysql_secure_installation

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks for the clarification, at the time of installation there was no 
/user/.my.cnf file in existence so this makes sense.


On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, David C. Rankin wrote:


Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:00:12
From: David C. Rankin 
Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] mysql_secure_installation

On 01/28/2017 06:47 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I now have mariadb installed and working.  Another internet site gave an
example /root/.my.cnf file of about 3 lines that has to be read-only and I was
able to do it with that file.  The thing is when you hit enter and the error
1045 (28000) error comes up, hit enter again and you go right past that error
successfully and can then do the rest of the script.
I don't know if the /root/.my.cnf file helped or not but I keyed in the
password that was in that file and had it all come up working.



You may be a bit confused about the use of /user/.my.conf. If you invoke mysql
(mariadb) without parameters, then it looks for a .my.conf file under the
current user directory (e.g. /$HOME/.my.cnf). In your .my.conf you simple
enter the mode of operation followed by the password and user, e.g.

$ cat ~/.my.cnf | sed 's/password[ ]=[ ].*$/password = secret/'
[mysqladmin]
password = secret
user = david

[mysql]
password = secret
user = david

[mysqldump]
password = secret
user = david

[mysqlcheck]
password = secret
user = david

The above will allow local operation of 'mysqladmin', 'mysql', 'mysqldump' and
'mysqlcheck' for my user. You can do the same for 'root', but understand it is
for mysql user 'root' that just happened to check '/root/.my.conf' by default
when invoked by root.





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Re: [arch-general] mysql_secure_installation

[Jude DaShiell]

I now have mariadb installed and working.  Another internet site gave an 
example /root/.my.cnf file of about 3 lines that has to be read-only and I 
was able to do it with that file.  The thing is when you hit enter and the 
error 1045 (28000) error comes up, hit enter again and you go right past 
that error successfully and can then do the rest of the script.
I don't know if the /root/.my.cnf file helped or not but I keyed in the 
password that was in that file and had it all come up working.




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