Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
--- Ole J. Rogeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A problem with Fred's solution is that the most obnoxious spammers would probably set their field to the non-spam when they sent out spam, But if it were illegal, with stiff fines, for a spam message to have the field set as non-spam, that would decrease the volume. Fred Foldvary = [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
But they would only have their life span shortened considerably if they emigrated earlier rather than later in life. The 70 year old from the Congo will have his life expectancy increased much less by coming to the US than would say an infant (who would enjoy a lifetime of preventative care). Lynn -Original Message- From: Bahizi_P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration Country of destination would be the answer. Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
While we're at it, why don't we make it illegal for people to kill each other. If it were illegal, with stiff fines, we'd surely get rid of murder. Same for drug use. I find it highly implausible that a regulatory structure like that proposed below would make a whit of difference other than increasing the proportion of spam coming from disreputable firms. On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Fred Foldvary wrote: --- Ole J. Rogeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A problem with Fred's solution is that the most obnoxious spammers would probably set their field to the non-spam when they sent out spam, But if it were illegal, with stiff fines, for a spam message to have the field set as non-spam, that would decrease the volume. Fred Foldvary = [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
Incidentally, Pobox rated Jason debacker's response 6/10 on the spam scale, possibly because of the large number of words that often appear in spam: `email addresses', `customers', `spam', `retailers', `cheapest' I took a look at the Pobox mail service and it seems very good for helping to prevent spam. I don't know about you, but I rarely if ever get mail from any company otherwise known to me unless I've done something positive to get it. I guess this depends on your tastes and your definition of spam. If spam is unsolicited email, then yes, I have recieved mail from companies that I did not specifically request and that I do enjoy their products- those companies are usually clear, however, in giving you the option to be removed from the list. I think AOL not only sells your screen name, but sites you vist, as I have recieved emails from fishing tackle companies who I have never before heard of. And perhaps you and I have different tastes than most people and therefore they enjoy those emails you would rather not hear about- maybe the median internet consumer does like these- some 80-85% of the business on the internet is from pornography sites. Something I would not like to recieve an email from, but obviously a large percentage of those making purchases on the net might. Jason
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
At some point there must be a cross-over point. If I live in Third Worldzania for 60 years, exposed to Typhus, Typhoid, Dengue Fever, malaria, Plague, TB, and have been mal-nourished, THEN I move to the US I doubt my life expectancy, AS COMPARED TO AMERICANS, will be all that great, whereas if my parents bring me to the US when I'm 2 then my life expectancy really ought to be that of the average American of my socio-economic class. -Original Message- From: Gray, Lynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:28 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration But they would only have their life span shortened considerably if they emigrated earlier rather than later in life. The 70 year old from the Congo will have his life expectancy increased much less by coming to the US than would say an infant (who would enjoy a lifetime of preventative care). Lynn -Original Message- From: Bahizi_P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration Country of destination would be the answer. Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look at the Pobox mail service and it seems very good for helping to prevent spam. Most spam filters knock out messages sent to undisclosed recipients or to lists of people, which also knock out listserv messages. Blocking individual senders seems pointless because most spammers switch send addresses with each mailing. Blocking by subject header helps somewhat but is risky...can get rid of mail you'd want to get. Legal fixes won't work because it's too easy to move out of jurisdiction, and within-jurisdiction spammers don't seem to be easily found. My guess is that if the problem gets bad enough, and unless filters improve, a few ISPs will start offering services that will block all mail from spammer-prone ISPs (msn.com, mailcity.com, emailisfun.com, worldmailer.com, email.com, olemail.com -- just a few of the sender domains in my kill file)). If enough people sign-up with those kind of ISPs, the others would eventually be forced out of business. Unless DoJ rules such practices anti-competitive, I suppose. Eric Crampton
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Walt, I visited some weapons plants in the 1970'. Since then I've had foot problems and lately haven't felt as alert as I did in those days.. Can I get in on the compensation? Rodney Weiher Warnick, Walter wrote: Even with data, the analysis will be confounded by immigrants' self-selection. Is it reasonable to expect that the life expectancy of immigrants is representative of the population of the country they are leaving? Or, instead, might they be a healthier (or unhealthier) subset of that population? Data that show that immigrants live longer, on average, than the population they left behind might be little related to the life expectancy of the receiving country. The Department of Energy has long faced a closely related problem. Former employees at weapons plants contend that their health was impaired by hazards of their working environment. They demand compensation. It is incontrovertible, however, that, on average, their health is superior to that of the general population. So, are we to conclude that a little radiation is good for health (hormesis); are we to conclude that whatever the adverse effect on health might have been, it was small; or are we to conclude that the original selection for employment required that the applicants meet threshhold conditions of healthiness, so that comparisons with the general population are confounded? Grappling with this issue, the Clinton Administration determined to award $100,000 to former employees of the weapons plants. Walt Warnick -Original Message- From: Bryan D Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration Bahizi_P wrote: Country of destination would be the answer. Not to be critical, but do you have any data, or is this just your best guess? Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace* -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who are they? Why are they running? Could they be coming to me? Really coming to me? And why? To kill me? *Me* whom everyone loves? Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
You can find lots of data on life-expectancy and health broken down by age, race, hispanic origin and much else at tbe National Center for Health Statistics http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about.htm after a quick search, however, I couldn't find anything on country of birth, let alone age of immigration per se. Alex -- Dr. Alexander Tabarrok Vice President and Director of Research The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA, 94621-1428 Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem? (fwd)
I sent this yesterday, but it never seems to have hit the list. Subject: Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem? available. Any thoughts on whether spam can be reduced via some sort of economic or technical mechanism? There are already a lot of ways to do this. Most email programs will let you set up filters which, if you use the right rules, will pre-emptively delete spam. On a grander scale, there is the MAPS Real-Time Blackhole List. (http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/) and the SpamHaus BlackList (http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/) They keep a file of known spammers and anyone who runs a mailserver can query or download their list and simply block all mail from domains known to harbor spammers. Apparently (see http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sprint+sblhl=enselm=linford-3CC566.10144007012002%40news.fu-berlin.dernum=4 and more generally http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sprint+sblhl=enbtnG=Google+Search ) some people using domains hosted by Sprint have been spamming and Sprint wouldn't do anything about it, so all Sprint servers got Blacklisted, and now Sprint Corporate email to customers bounces a lot of the time. Now Sprint is willing to do something about it. It's not a perfect system yet, but slowly it seems to be working. - Joel
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
--- Eric Crampton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're at it, why don't we make it illegal for people to kill each other. If it were illegal, with stiff fines, we'd surely get rid of murder. Do you deny that we have less murder with laws penalizing it than if we had no such laws? If so, do you wish to eliminate all criminal codes? Fred Foldvary = [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Spam: Legal, economic or technical problem?
AOL is the most popular ISP (I think) and Hotmail must be up there in popularity for email accounts- and this is the case even though those two are notorious for giving out their banks of email addresses to spammers. In addition, selling these names is good because it makes the service cheaper- you may not like spam, but you do like a free email account... Jason Hotmail is free to email users, but they can also designate a junk-mail filter level, which puts spam in a junk-mail folder, which is eventually deleted if the user does not. The Yahoo site gets a lot less spam, in my experience. Fred Foldvary = [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
At some point there must be a cross-over point. If I live in Third Worldzania for 60 years, exposed to Typhus, Typhoid, Dengue Fever, malaria, Plague, TB, and have been mal-nourished, THEN I move to the US I doubt my life expectancy, AS COMPARED TO AMERICANS, will be all that great, whereas if my parents bring me to the US when I'm 2 then my life expectancy really ought to be that of the average American of my socio-economic class. what do you mean ought?? it is an empirical question and there is no reason to suppose that anomalies pop up when the data is looked at. i saw a study recently that makes my point. there was a bad famine in the netherlands that ended in may of 1945. babies born before may had a low probabiliy of being fat. those born 3 months after may, had a very great chance of being fat. The genes are the same, but what happened in the womb affects each of our lives.
