ARSystem 7 on linux with sybase

2009-11-04 Thread Remedy Maniac

Hi,

we are runing Redhat Enterprise E on a 64 bits and we would like to use 
Sybase 15.

I know it is not in the Matrix.
Though is there a way to test it?

Thanks

Siriche

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Re: ARSystem 7 on linux with sybase

2009-11-04 Thread Walters, Mark
No, there is no version of ARS for Linux/Sybase.  Your options are Oracle or 
DB2 on Linux.

Mark Walters

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Subject: ARSystem 7 on linux with sybase

Hi,

we are runing Redhat Enterprise E on a 64 bits and we would like to use 
Sybase 15.
I know it is not in the Matrix.
Though is there a way to test it?

Thanks

Siriche

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Re: ARSystem 7 on linux with sybase

2009-11-04 Thread Remedy Maniac

yes I know.
Actually I even already asked the question on this forum some months ago.
I was just hoping things have evolved since then.
Thanks anyway.
Siriche



Walters, Mark wrote:

No, there is no version of ARS for Linux/Sybase.  Your options are Oracle or 
DB2 on Linux.

Mark Walters

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participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, 
liaison or support representative for BMC Software, Inc.

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Sent: 04 November 2009 08:39
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ARSystem 7 on linux with sybase

Hi,

we are runing Redhat Enterprise E on a 64 bits and we would like to use 
Sybase 15.

I know it is not in the Matrix.
Though is there a way to test it?

Thanks

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ADM:Timing Test please ignore

2009-11-04 Thread Daniel Bloom
5:40am EST

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Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

2009-11-04 Thread Tommy Morris
We have set in place a default.htm that acts as a redirect to the login
page then deliver all of our links with the DNS server name as the
address. If we have maintenance its is simple to just change the htm to
a display a maintenance message instead of redirecting. Of course if
users have the login page saved as a favorite or something similar that
bypasses the default call then this solution will not work.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Frank Caruso
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

1. Instead of blocking the login page you could just put the server in
Administrator only mode while you performing your upgrades.

2. Restart your JSP engine after swapping in the new login.jsp.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Shyam Attavar atta...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
 **
 Dear Listers,

 We have a need to put a dummy JSP for our users during our maintenance
 window, so that they are not logging into the server accidentally when
we
 are still in the process of making changes to the system. For this we
are
 planning to temporarily change the actual login.jsp to a dummy page
 indicating the Maintenance Window message.

 However, just by swapping login.jsp does not necessarily take effect
 immediately, until some significant time (in our case 60 minutes) has
 elapsed from the time the page was changed to the next time the page
was
 accessed (by anyone). If someone logs in before that threshold has
occurred,
 we have to wait an additional 60 minutes.

 We can certainly force the update by deleting two files
login_jsp.java and
 login_jsp.class in the folder

tomcat_install_dir/work/Catalina/localhost/arsys/org/apache/jsp/shared
and
 then swapping the actual login.jsp with the dummy login.jsp. The next
time
 the login.jsp page is accessed, the two deleted files are
automatically
 recreated and after that users get the intended message.

 Although, this can probably work for the interim, we are hoping to
have a
 long term solution that is less intrusive. That arises a couple of
questions
 and if someone can shed some light on these, I would really appreciate
it.

 1) Why is it that, updating login.jsp does not take effect immediately
and
 what needs to be done for this to take effect immediately?

 2) Looks like there is some sort of timeout threshold some where and I
am
 not sure what or where this is. Anyone know what to change and where
to set
 this threshold to a small number, so that updates to login.jsp take
effect
 immediately?

 We are using AR System 7.1.00 Patch 6 on Linux platform with Oracle
10g R3
 in the backend.

 Thanks,
 --
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Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

2009-11-04 Thread Tony Worthington
This is one reason I front all of our Tomcat servers with Apache+mod_jk. 
Adding a forced redirect or URL rewriting is trivial, and requires no 
changes to Tomcat or html files.

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From:
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To:
arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Date:
11/04/2009 08:29 AM
Subject:
Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...
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We have set in place a default.htm that acts as a redirect to the login
page then deliver all of our links with the DNS server name as the
address. If we have maintenance its is simple to just change the htm to
a display a maintenance message instead of redirecting. Of course if
users have the login page saved as a favorite or something similar that
bypasses the default call then this solution will not work.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Frank Caruso
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:04 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

1. Instead of blocking the login page you could just put the server in
Administrator only mode while you performing your upgrades.

2. Restart your JSP engine after swapping in the new login.jsp.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Shyam Attavar atta...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
 **
 Dear Listers,

 We have a need to put a dummy JSP for our users during our maintenance
 window, so that they are not logging into the server accidentally when
we
 are still in the process of making changes to the system. For this we
are
 planning to temporarily change the actual login.jsp to a dummy page
 indicating the Maintenance Window message.

 However, just by swapping login.jsp does not necessarily take effect
 immediately, until some significant time (in our case 60 minutes) has
 elapsed from the time the page was changed to the next time the page
was
 accessed (by anyone). If someone logs in before that threshold has
occurred,
 we have to wait an additional 60 minutes.

 We can certainly force the update by deleting two files
login_jsp.java and
 login_jsp.class in the folder

tomcat_install_dir/work/Catalina/localhost/arsys/org/apache/jsp/shared
and
 then swapping the actual login.jsp with the dummy login.jsp. The next
time
 the login.jsp page is accessed, the two deleted files are
automatically
 recreated and after that users get the intended message.

 Although, this can probably work for the interim, we are hoping to
have a
 long term solution that is less intrusive. That arises a couple of
questions
 and if someone can shed some light on these, I would really appreciate
it.

 1) Why is it that, updating login.jsp does not take effect immediately
and
 what needs to be done for this to take effect immediately?

 2) Looks like there is some sort of timeout threshold some where and I
am
 not sure what or where this is. Anyone know what to change and where
to set
 this threshold to a small number, so that updates to login.jsp take
effect
 immediately?

 We are using AR System 7.1.00 Patch 6 on Linux platform with Oracle
10g R3
 in the backend.

 Thanks,
 --
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Re: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread LJ Longwing
Thilo,
I just tried to download and when I clicked on the 'Download Area' I got
'Forbidden' as a message, suggestions? 

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Stapff
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:11 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

Hi all,


here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition of
ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms - enabling you to
find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your ARS code. Just search
for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or MidTier.

arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced search
function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS application.
ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to read your workflow
as if it was - well, imagine some kind of ARS scripting language.

Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: arXtract
translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It does not,
conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not yet.

Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll
probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms and
fields) to be documented.

The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from
http://www.apprologic.com



Have fun and kind regards,

Thilo Stapff

ApproLogic GmbH
Waldstr. 92
D-63128 Dietzenbach
Phone: +49 6074 4811814
Fax: +49 6074 4811816
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Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread Remedy Maniac

I just tried to download but I got:
1- I need to send an email to register
2- I need to login and download a trial version
fine
but i understood from your post free ?!??!
any suggestions?



Thilo Stapff wrote:

Hi all,


here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition of
ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms – enabling you
to find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your ARS code. Just
search for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or MidTier.

arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced search
function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS
application. ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to
read your workflow as if it was – well, imagine some kind of ARS
scripting language.

Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: arXtract
translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It does not,
conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not yet.

Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll
probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms and
fields) to be documented.

The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from
http://www.apprologic.com



Have fun and kind regards,

Thilo Stapff

ApproLogic GmbH
Waldstr. 92
D-63128 Dietzenbach
Phone: +49 6074 4811814
Fax: +49 6074 4811816
EMail: thilo.sta...@apprologic.de

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Re: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread Thilo Stapff

Fixed ... thanks for the cue.


Regards,
Thilo


LJ Longwing wrote:

Thilo,
I just tried to download and when I clicked on the 'Download Area' I got
'Forbidden' as a message, suggestions? 


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Stapff
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:11 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

Hi all,


here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition of
ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms - enabling you to
find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your ARS code. Just search
for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or MidTier.

arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced search
function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS application.
ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to read your workflow
as if it was - well, imagine some kind of ARS scripting language.

Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: arXtract
translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It does not,
conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not yet.

Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll
probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms and
fields) to be documented.

The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from
http://www.apprologic.com



Have fun and kind regards,

Thilo Stapff

ApproLogic GmbH
Waldstr. 92
D-63128 Dietzenbach
Phone: +49 6074 4811814
Fax: +49 6074 4811816
EMail: thilo.sta...@apprologic.de


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Re: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread LJ Longwing
Just FYI, when I click on the 'Downloads Area' link, despite being brought
to

http://www.apprologic.com/Downloads_en.html

I find myself looking at

DOWNLOADS
zurück zur Liste

Which doesn't look English to me...:)  Then if I click the link, it takes me
to the downloads page, but also not in english, I then need to click the
'english' link at the top to be able to read what's on the screen.

Other than that I'm able to get what I was looking for :)

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Stapff
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:33 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

Fixed ... thanks for the cue.


Regards,
Thilo


LJ Longwing wrote:
 Thilo,
 I just tried to download and when I clicked on the 'Download Area' I 
 got 'Forbidden' as a message, suggestions?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
 [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Stapff
 Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:11 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition of 
 ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms - enabling 
 you to find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your ARS code. 
 Just search for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or MidTier.
 
 arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced 
 search function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS
application.
 ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to read your 
 workflow as if it was - well, imagine some kind of ARS scripting language.
 
 Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: 
 arXtract translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It 
 does not, conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not yet.
 
 Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll 
 probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms and
 fields) to be documented.
 
 The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from 
 http://www.apprologic.com
 
 
 
 Have fun and kind regards,
 
 Thilo Stapff
 
 ApproLogic GmbH
 Waldstr. 92
 D-63128 Dietzenbach
 Phone: +49 6074 4811814
 Fax: +49 6074 4811816
 EMail: thilo.sta...@apprologic.de
 
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Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread Thilo Stapff

You need to register, but the registration is indeed free.
I admit that there's a slightly misleading statement about a trial 
version on our website. This doesn't apply anymore and will be changed 
soon.
At some point in the future we might release a commercial version 
provinding extended functionality, but the version offered for download 
now is, and will stay, free.



Regards,
Thilo


Remedy Maniac wrote:

I just tried to download but I got:
1- I need to send an email to register
2- I need to login and download a trial version
fine
but i understood from your post free ?!??!
any suggestions?



Thilo Stapff wrote:

Hi all,


here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition of
ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms – enabling you
to find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your ARS code. Just
search for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or MidTier.

arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced search
function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS
application. ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to
read your workflow as if it was – well, imagine some kind of ARS
scripting language.

Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: arXtract
translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It does not,
conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not yet.

Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll
probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms and
fields) to be documented.

The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from
http://www.apprologic.com



Have fun and kind regards,

Thilo Stapff

ApproLogic GmbH
Waldstr. 92
D-63128 Dietzenbach
Phone: +49 6074 4811814
Fax: +49 6074 4811816
EMail: thilo.sta...@apprologic.de

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Integrating custom form into Overview Console (ITSM 7.x)

2009-11-04 Thread ARS Dummie
Hi Listers!

I am trying to integrate some customers form in the Overview Console (ITSM
7.5), but there seems to be something wrong.

What I did is this:
- added 1 entry to SHR:ARDBC_OverviewConsoleTemplate (used the form name of
the customers form and a GUID called COMOBJECT. I entered only these two
fields and left the rest on default)
- added 13 entries to SHR:ARDBCFields using the new Form GUID COMOBJECT
and used Field IDs from customers form to map it with Field IDs from the
vendor form (SHR:ARDBC_OverviewConsole). No fields had to be added to the
vendor form. I only took existing standard fields
- added three entries to SHR:ARDBCEnumLookup to map the status values of the
customer form (field ID 7) to the status values of the vendor form
(Consolidated Status)
- restarted arplugin process

When I try to open the Overview Console I get an error: ARERR [552]
Error:ARGetListEntryWithFields - Failure during SQL Operation to the
database
and the console remains empty.

Strangely enough I can see the entries for my COMOBJECT within the
SHR:ARDBC_OverviewConsole form when I access it directly. So the plugin is
working and is collecting the data correctly.
I tried to troubleshoot/workaround this by making the external qualification
(z1D_ExternalQualString) visible on SHR:OverviewConsole. It contains a long
statement asking for different types of requests (MAINHELPDESK, TMSTASK,
...) with their status and assigned users. But I can not find some
COMOBJECT in there out of the box.
So do I have to edit some of the workflow as well which is building this
enormous external qualification? When I am editing the external
qualification manually by hand (because the field is now visible) I am
getting my request from the customers form displayed in the overview
console.
But why is the original qualification not working anymore.

Any help is really appreciated!

Thanks!
Daniel

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Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

2009-11-04 Thread Lyle Taylor
Putting all the servers in Administrator Only mode will keep all 
non-Administrators out of the system while you perform your upgrade.  Changing 
the login page will only keep new people from logging in; it will not stop 
existing users from continuing to use the system.  If you really want everyone 
out, I would recommend a combination of Administrator Only mode and an updated 
login page indicating that the system is down for maintenance.  That will stop 
existing users as well as notify people coming back to the login page that you 
are down for maintenance.

Otherwise, deleing the .java and .class file for the login page so that the 
system regenerates it seems entirely appropriately and not too heavy handed.  
Basically, that simply tells the system that it needs to recompile it.

Lyle


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Shyam Attavar
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:10 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

**
Frank,

We have multiple midtier instances that connect to a server group sitting 
behind a load balancer, out of which only one of the servers is the admin 
server. So, I am not sure if putting all the servers in Admin Only mode will 
work.

Also, with deleting the two files that I have mentioned in the original post, 
there is no need to restart the servlet engine (in our case - tomcat).

Any other ideas?
--
Shyam


From: Frank Caruso caruso.fr...@gmail.com
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:04:14 PM
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

1. Instead of blocking the login page you could just put the server in
Administrator only mode while you performing your upgrades.

2. Restart your JSP engine after swapping in the new login.jsp.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Shyam Attavar 
atta...@sbcglobal.netmailto:atta...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 **
 Dear Listers,

 We have a need to put a dummy JSP for our users during our maintenance
 window, so that they are not logging into the server accidentally when we
 are still in the process of making changes to the system. For this we are
 planning to temporarily change the actual login.jsp to a dummy page
 indicating the Maintenance Window message.

 However, just by swapping login.jsp does not necessarily take effect
 immediately, until some significant time (in our case 60 minutes) has
 elapsed from the time the page was changed to the next time the page was
 accessed (by anyone). If someone logs in before that threshold has occurred,
 we have to wait an additional 60 minutes.

 We can certainly force the update by deleting two files login_jsp.java and
 login_jsp.class in the folder
 tomcat_install_dir/work/Catalina/localhost/arsys/org/apache/jsp/shared and
 then swapping the actual login.jsp with the dummy login.jsp. The next time
 the login.jsp page is accessed, the two deleted files are automatically
 recreated and after that users get the intended message.

 Although, this can probably work for the interim, we are hoping to have a
 long term solution that is less intrusive. That arises a couple of questions
 and if someone can shed some light on these, I would really appreciate it.

 1) Why is it that, updating login.jsp does not take effect immediately and
 what needs to be done for this to take effect immediately?

 2) Looks like there is some sort of timeout threshold some where and I am
 not sure what or where this is. Anyone know what to change and where to set
 this threshold to a small number, so that updates to login.jsp take effect
 immediately?

 We are using AR System 7.1.00 Patch 6 on Linux platform with Oracle 10g R3
 in the backend.

 Thanks,
 --
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Looooooooooong update times on ARSCHEMA

2009-11-04 Thread William Rentfrow
Listers...
 
I was helping a person who contacted me look at a performance problem.
I do not have access to the system.
 
It appears the update to ARSCHEMA that is called by the CE API call is
taking forever for just ONE record.  In other words when this executes:
 
UPDATE arschema SET nextId = nextId + 1 WHERE schemaId = xxx
 
...it works fine for all but 1 row.  Most rows complete in 0.01 seconds
or less.  The troublesome row update can take 90 seconds or more.
 
I've never seen that.  Has anyone else?  I thinking rebuilding the
indexes on that table is the first thing to try.
 
William Rentfrow
Principal Consultant, StrataCom Inc.
wrentf...@stratacominc.com
Corporate Website, www.stratacominc.com http://www.stratacominc.com/ 
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Re: ARSperl 1.91 Windows binary distribution

2009-11-04 Thread M7mad As3ad
I would like to thank you because I had exhausted in finding it

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Michiel Beijen mich...@beefreeit.nlwrote:

 All,

 I have just made available a compiled windows version of ARSperl 1.91
 for use with Windows.
 This will avoid the hassle of compiling it, and thus will save you the
 huge downloads of Visual Studio and the Platform SDK. Just download,
 unpack, install and go!

 It is will work with Activestate Perl 5.10 and up, which is the
 default Perl distribution for Windows:
 http://activestate.com/Products/ActivePerl/

 You can download the ARSperl package from:
 http://developer.bmc.com/communities/docs/DOC-5262

 I tested it with Windows Server 2003, Windows XP and Windows Vista.
 Please note that I only did the compiling, ARSperl is created by other
 people. The main project page is here:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/arsperl/

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Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

2009-11-04 Thread Shyam Attavar
Thanks everyone for your input. I will package the suggestions and propose a 
solution and see how far we get with it.
--
Shyam




From: Lyle Taylor tayl...@ldschurch.org
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 9:54:56 AM
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

**  
Putting all the servers in Administrator Only mode will keep all
non-Administrators out of the system while you perform your upgrade.  Changing
the login page will only keep new people from logging in; it will not stop
existing users from continuing to use the system.  If you really want everyone
out, I would recommend a combination of Administrator Only mode and an updated
login page indicating that the system is down for maintenance.  That will stop
existing users as well as notify people coming back to the login page that you
are down for maintenance.
 
Otherwise, deleing the .java and .class file for the login page
so that the system regenerates it seems entirely appropriately and not too
heavy handed.  Basically, that simply tells the system that it needs to
recompile it.
 
Lyle
 
 
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System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Shyam
Attavar
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:10 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...
 
** 
Frank,

We have multiple midtier instances that connect to a server group sitting
behind a load balancer, out of which only one of the servers is the admin
server. So, I am not sure if putting all the servers in Admin Only mode will
work. 

Also, with deleting the two files that I have mentioned in the original post,
there is no need to restart the servlet engine (in our case - tomcat).

Any other ideas?
--
Shyam
 


 
From:Frank Caruso
caruso.fr...@gmail.com
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:04:14 PM
Subject: Re: Midtier login.jsp - caching...

1. Instead of blocking the login page you could just put the server in
Administrator only mode while you performing your upgrades.

2. Restart your JSP engine after swapping in the new login.jsp.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Shyam Attavar atta...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 **
 Dear Listers,

 We have a need to put a dummy JSP for our users during our maintenance
 window, so that they are not logging into the server accidentally when we
 are still in the process of making changes to the system. For this we are
 planning to temporarily change the actual login.jsp to a dummy page
 indicating the Maintenance Window message.

 However, just by swapping login.jsp does not necessarily take effect
 immediately, until some significant time (in our case 60 minutes) has
 elapsed from the time the page was changed to the next time the page was
 accessed (by anyone). If someone logs in before that threshold has
occurred,
 we have to wait an additional 60 minutes.

 We can certainly force the update by deleting two files
login_jsp.java and
 login_jsp.class in the folder

tomcat_install_dir/work/Catalina/localhost/arsys/org/apache/jsp/shared
and
 then swapping the actual login.jsp with the dummy login.jsp. The next time
 the login.jsp page is accessed, the two deleted files are automatically
 recreated and after that users get the intended message.

 Although, this can probably work for the interim, we are hoping to have a
 long term solution that is less intrusive. That arises a couple of
questions
 and if someone can shed some light on these, I would really appreciate it.

 1) Why is it that, updating login.jsp does not take effect immediately and
 what needs to be done for this to take effect immediately?

 2) Looks like there is some sort of timeout threshold some where and I am
 not sure what or where this is. Anyone know what to change and where to
set
 this threshold to a small number, so that updates to login.jsp take effect
 immediately?

 We are using AR System 7.1.00 Patch 6 on Linux platform with Oracle 10g R3
 in the backend.

 Thanks,
 --
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Re: Web Based ITIL 3.0 Foundation training suggestions?

2009-11-04 Thread Mark Lev
BMC does have a WBT for V3 foundation.

You can try this link, but not sure if it will work.

http://inter.viewcentral.com/events/cust/search_results.aspx?city_state=event_id=cat1_id=app_id=keyword=ITIL%C2%AE+V3%3A+Foundation+%28WBT%29postingForm=default.aspxcid=bmcpid=1lid=1cart_currency_code=payment_type=orderby_location=orderby_date=newRegistration=bundle_location_group=errmsg=


Or try searching their course catalog by keywords:  remedy.com -- Education 
-- Search Catalog

ITIL V3 Foundation   (then scroll down to WBT's)

Or

ITIL V3 Foundation WBT

Mark


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** Hi all, BMC doesn't seem to offer this training right now. Any other 
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AW: Looooooooooong update times on ARSCHEMA

2009-11-04 Thread Conny Martin
William,
 
this looks like a locking issue. Perhaps some other threads has also
updated this row but hasn't commited yet.
 
There is a parameter you can set in ar.conf
 
Next-ID-Commit: T
 
When the system generates the next ID number for a record in the
database, it performs a new commit transaction if this parameter is set
to T
(true). If the parameter is set to F (false), the transaction to
generate the next
ID is included as part of the create entry transaction. Set the value to
T to
increase efficiency and for debugging. The default is F.
This option does not work with Informix databases.
 
HTH
 
Kind Regards Conny



Von: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] Im Auftrag von William Rentfrow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2009 19:39
An: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Betreff: Looong update times on ARSCHEMA


** 
Listers...
 
I was helping a person who contacted me look at a performance problem.
I do not have access to the system.
 
It appears the update to ARSCHEMA that is called by the CE API call is
taking forever for just ONE record.  In other words when this executes:
 
UPDATE arschema SET nextId = nextId + 1 WHERE schemaId = xxx
 
...it works fine for all but 1 row.  Most rows complete in 0.01 seconds
or less.  The troublesome row update can take 90 seconds or more.
 
I've never seen that.  Has anyone else?  I thinking rebuilding the
indexes on that table is the first thing to try.
 
William Rentfrow
Principal Consultant, StrataCom Inc.
wrentf...@stratacominc.com
Corporate Website, www.stratacominc.com http://www.stratacominc.com/ 
Blog, www.williamrentfrow.com http://www.williamrentfrow.com/ 
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Re: Looooooooooong update times on ARSCHEMA

2009-11-04 Thread Grooms, Frederick W
They should have the DBA check for any blocking in the db.  Also have them 
check to see if there is any triggers or calls to an outside system that fire 
on create to this form.  I remember a case where a company had a db trigger on 
insert to the H table of a form (so they could push data to a different system 
in real-time).  It turned out that the outside system had problems and it was 
causing Remedy to be slow.  The Remedy logs showed the same slowness in the 
ARSCHEMA update.

Fred


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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Looong update times on ARSCHEMA

**
Listers...

I was helping a person who contacted me look at a performance problem.  I do 
not have access to the system.

It appears the update to ARSCHEMA that is called by the CE API call is taking 
forever for just ONE record.  In other words when this executes:

UPDATE arschema SET nextId = nextId + 1 WHERE schemaId = xxx

...it works fine for all but 1 row.  Most rows complete in 0.01 seconds or 
less.  The troublesome row update can take 90 seconds or more.

I've never seen that.  Has anyone else?  I thinking rebuilding the indexes on 
that table is the first thing to try.

William Rentfrow
Principal Consultant, StrataCom Inc.
wrentf...@stratacominc.commailto:wrentf...@stratacominc.com
Corporate Website, www.stratacominc.comhttp://www.stratacominc.com/
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Re: Web Based ITIL 3.0 Foundation training suggestions?

2009-11-04 Thread Ray T
Now I see it. Thanks Mark!  I will go for it. Later on, I am considering
trying a few intermediate level courses as well. Does anybody have any
opinion on Non-BMC ITIL training/certification providers?


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mark Lev mark@rightstarsystems.comwrote:

 **

 BMC does have a WBT for V3 foundation.



 You can try this link, but not sure if it will work.




 http://inter.viewcentral.com/events/cust/search_results.aspx?city_state=event_id=cat1_id=app_id=keyword=ITIL%C2%AE+V3%3A+Foundation+%28WBT%29postingForm=default.aspxcid=bmcpid=1lid=1cart_currency_code=payment_type=orderby_location=orderby_date=newRegistration=bundle_location_group=errmsg
 =





 Or try searching their course catalog by keywords:  remedy.com à Education
 à Search Catalog



 ITIL V3 Foundation   (then scroll down to WBT’s)



 Or



 ITIL V3 Foundation WBT



 Mark





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Import Tool Version 7.1 p7

2009-11-04 Thread Kemes, Lisa
Has anyone else had the problem with the import tool when selecting Make 
required fields optional during import?  I'm still getting errors when trying 
to import a file and some of the required fields are missing.  (they are NOT 
core fields).

Weird!

ARS 7.1 p7
Import tool 7.1 p7

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AR System Developer
Tyco Electronics
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Re: Looooooooooong update times on ARSCHEMA

2009-11-04 Thread Derek Berube
I ran into a situation like this where that one form was the  
Distributed Pending form.   We had a situation where there were  
three application servers initiating between 750k and 850k DSO  
transactions a day.  During peak times, the UPDATE ARSCHEMA SET nextId  
= nextId + 1 WHERE schemaId = Distributed Pending SchemaID was  
causing significant lock contention at the database level.


We ended up setting the Next-ID-Block-Size parameter to 25 and used a  
Push Fields action to create a record in a form entitled  
APP_DistributedPendingTransactions.  We have four separate  
escalation threads running against the  
APP_DistributedPendingTransactions form and pushing data into the  
Distributed Pending form.  We had to take this route because the  
'Next-ID-Block-Size' parameter works for every form EXCEPT  
Distributed Pending.


The response from BMC support was less than encouraging.  They asked  
us why we needed to DSO so many records and it was recommended that we  
try an alternate replication technology.  We're still using DSO  
because our work-around performs exceptionally.


If your mystery form is NOT Distributed Pending, then I'd try  
setting the Next-ID-Block-Size parameter.


Derek


On Nov 4, 2009, at 1:39 PM, William Rentfrow wrote:


**
Listers...

I was helping a person who contacted me look at a performance  
problem.  I do not have access to the system.


It appears the update to ARSCHEMA that is called by the CE API call  
is taking forever for just ONE record.  In other words when this  
executes:


UPDATE arschema SET nextId = nextId + 1 WHERE schemaId = xxx

...it works fine for all but 1 row.  Most rows complete in 0.01  
seconds or less.  The troublesome row update can take 90 seconds or  
more.


I've never seen that.  Has anyone else?  I thinking rebuilding the  
indexes on that table is the first thing to try.


William Rentfrow
Principal Consultant, StrataCom Inc.
wrentf...@stratacominc.com
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Re: Import Tool Version 7.1 p7

2009-11-04 Thread Grooms, Frederick W
Could the error be on a field in another form?  (i.e. a Merge Filter firing?)

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:36 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Import Tool Version 7.1 p7

**
Has anyone else had the problem with the import tool when selecting Make 
required fields optional during import?  I'm still getting errors when trying 
to import a file and some of the required fields are missing.  (they are NOT 
core fields).

Weird!

ARS 7.1 p7
Import tool 7.1 p7

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AR System Developer
Tyco Electronics
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Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread Sokol, Brian
Does this only work with ARS 7.5? 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

You need to register, but the registration is indeed free.
I admit that there's a slightly misleading statement about a trial 
version on our website. This doesn't apply anymore and will be changed
soon.
At some point in the future we might release a commercial version
provinding extended functionality, but the version offered for download
now is, and will stay, free.


Regards,
Thilo


Remedy Maniac wrote:
 I just tried to download but I got:
 1- I need to send an email to register
 2- I need to login and download a trial version fine but i understood 
 from your post free ?!??!
 any suggestions?
 
 
 
 Thilo Stapff wrote:
 Hi all,


 here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition 
 of ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms - 
 enabling you to find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your 
 ARS code. Just search for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or
MidTier.

 arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced 
 search function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS 
 application. ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to 
 read your workflow as if it was - well, imagine some kind of ARS 
 scripting language.

 Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: 
 arXtract translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It 
 does not, conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not
yet.

 Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll 
 probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms 
 and
 fields) to be documented.

 The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from 
 http://www.apprologic.com



 Have fun and kind regards,

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 ApproLogic GmbH
 Waldstr. 92
 D-63128 Dietzenbach
 Phone: +49 6074 4811814
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Inquiry

2009-11-04 Thread Rodriguez, Rafael J x23718
Hello list, 

We are currently operating IBM Mainframe Systems (IBM Z10's with O/S
ZOS1.10) with a mainframe based application called InfoManager. The
InfoManager Application is used for Change Management and Problem
Management Reporting called PMR's. Application failures on the mainframe
auto-create PMR's. We are planning to replace the Change Management
function within our Remedy ARS 7.5 platform and investigating
alternatives to replace the PMR functionality with a direct interface
between the Mainframe and our Remedy Infrastructure.

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Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

2009-11-04 Thread Thilo Stapff

It works with every 7.x version.

But the perl interpreter we offer for download has an ARSperl module 
compiled against 7.5, so you need the 7.5 DLLs to run it.


It should then nevertheless be possible to use it with a 7.0 or 7.1 
server, which for 7.1 I can comfirm definitely.


If you run into problems with 7.0 or 7.1, let me know. In this case, I 
can provide you with an ARSperl module specifically compiled for that 
version.


The absolutely lowest server version it works with is 6.3 patch 16. But 
in this case you'd need a slightly different installation DEF file as 
well. The user tool must be at least of version 7.0.



Regards,
Thilo



Sokol, Brian wrote:
Does this only work with ARS 7.5? 


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thilo Stapff
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:42 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ADV: Yet another free ARS workflow analyzer

You need to register, but the registration is indeed free.
I admit that there's a slightly misleading statement about a trial 
version on our website. This doesn't apply anymore and will be changed

soon.
At some point in the future we might release a commercial version
provinding extended functionality, but the version offered for download
now is, and will stay, free.


Regards,
Thilo


Remedy Maniac wrote:

I just tried to download but I got:
1- I need to send an email to register
2- I need to login and download a trial version fine but i understood 
from your post free ?!??!

any suggestions?



Thilo Stapff wrote:

Hi all,


here comes arXtract, another ARS workflow analyzer in the tradition 
of ARSdoc. It's Perl-based and stores its data in ARS forms - 
enabling you to find virtually ANYTHING you want to know about your 
ARS code. Just search for arbitray keywords using Remedy User Tool or

MidTier.
arXtract's data structure combined with the ARS clients' advanced 
search function will give you an unprecedented insight into your ARS 
application. ARS workflow is presented as pseudocode enabling you to 
read your workflow as if it was - well, imagine some kind of ARS 
scripting language.


Before you expect too much, let me answer the obvious question: 
arXtract translates ARS workflow into human-readable pseudocode. It 
does not, conversely, compile that pseudocode into ARS workflow. Not

yet.
Well, just try it out. You will need a licensed ARS server as you'll 
probably have more than 2000 workflow objects (also counting forms 
and

fields) to be documented.

The freeware version of arXtract can be downloaded from 
http://www.apprologic.com




Have fun and kind regards,

Thilo Stapff

ApproLogic GmbH
Waldstr. 92
D-63128 Dietzenbach
Phone: +49 6074 4811814
Fax: +49 6074 4811816
EMail: thilo.sta...@apprologic.de

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Re: Inquiry

2009-11-04 Thread LJ Longwing
At a former position a team I worked with utilized Java to perform
interfacing to the rest of the world and the mainframe world.  I don't know
the specifics, but I do work regularly with the Remedy Java API, so that
will likely be a good interface point.

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Subject: Inquiry


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Hello list, 

We are currently operating IBM Mainframe Systems (IBM Z10's with O/S
ZOS1.10) with a mainframe based application called InfoManager. The
InfoManager Application is used for Change Management and Problem Management
Reporting called PMR's. Application failures on the mainframe auto-create
PMR's. We are planning to replace the Change Management function within our
Remedy ARS 7.5 platform and investigating alternatives to replace the PMR
functionality with a direct interface between the Mainframe and our Remedy
Infrastructure.

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Re: Inquiry

2009-11-04 Thread Norbert Bolmer

Hi Rafael,

years ago we implemented an interface between INFO/Man and a former  
version of ARS. We used a software called SOLVE:Diplomat from Sterling  
Software. This interface worked very fine over some years without any  
changes and without problems.
I think Sterling Software was bought by CA (I'm not sure). I don't  
know wether the software still exists or not.


Br,
Norbert



Am 04.11.2009 um 22:38 schrieb Rodriguez, Rafael J x23718:


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Hello list,

We are currently operating IBM Mainframe Systems (IBM Z10’s with O/S  
ZOS1.10) with a mainframe based application called InfoManager. The  
InfoManager Application is used for Change Management and Problem  
Management Reporting called PMR’s. Application failures on the  
mainframe auto-create PMR’s. We are planning to replace the Change  
Management function within our Remedy ARS 7.5 platform and  
investigating alternatives to replace the PMR functionality with a  
direct interface between the Mainframe and our Remedy Infrastructure.


Looking for any experience in this area.

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CMDB 7.5 and ITSM 7.6?

2009-11-04 Thread PCR Remedy
Hi, we are planning to upgrade from ARS 7.0.x and CMDB 2.0.1 to 7.5 versions.

Now I found is available ITSM 7.6.
I also have SIM/BEM solution and I read the current version (7.3) only
works with CMDB 7.5.



The question is Can I have CMDB 7.5 with ITSm 7.6 or is needed to upgrade both.



Thanks



Peter

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Re: installation problem of ARSystem 7.5

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Page
Hi

Two things, number one if you get no further why not try a silent install
instead, although you will have to get it working for the CMDB installer as
there is no silent install option.

What are you using to access the server?

We used putty to access the server then tested by running either xclock or
xterm just to check we were running okay before trying the installer.

One issue I did find with the installer not running correctly was to do with
the LC_LANG or one of those variables I don't have the details quite to hand
at the moment.  We had set it to UTF8, but the installer did not work, when
we changed it and set it to just C the installer worked properly.

I'll see if I can find the right details and send them on if I can.

Regards

Rob

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Sent: 03 November 2009 13:47
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Subject: Re: installation problem of ARSystem 7.5

yes thank you that makes sense.
But still doesn't solve my problem :-(
My sys admin pretend they have already installed the X11 client libraries.
here is what has been done
rpm -Uvh xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2-1.EL.13.36.i386.rpm 
xorg-x11-libs-6.8.2-1.EL.13.36.i386.rpm  
xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL-6.8.2-1.EL.13.36.i386.rpm expat-1.95.7-4.i386.rpm  
fontconfig-2.2.3-7.i386.rpm  freetype-2.1.9-1.i386.rpm  
zlib-1.2.1.2-1.2.i386.rpm
What do you think of ?
Probably something is missing ...



Lyle Taylor wrote:
 You probably need to install the 32-bit version of the X11 client
libraries.  You would only need an X server running on the Linux box if you
are logged directly into the server.  If you are logged in from a remote
host with an X server running on the remote host (e.g., your PC), then you
don't need an X server running on the Linux box - you just need the
appropriate X11 client libraries.  Since Java is a 32-bit application, it
will need the 32-bit version of the X11 client libraries to run.

 Does that make sense?

 Lyle

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 Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:31 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: installation problem of ARSystem 7.5

 yes myremotehost is my PC.
 But actually I think the problem comes from the fact, there is no X-Server
 running on the server.
 Which makes it difficult for the box to open up a x-window.
 So I am just waiting for my sys admin to install or start the x-server.
 But thanks anyway for your reply.
 Siriche

   


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