Re: DST - another thing.
Yes ... it was rhetorical ! :) On 2/23/07, Lucero, Michelle - IST contractor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Hi, Susan: Not sure if that was a rhetorical question :) Scroll down to the section, "History of Daylight Time in the U.S.". http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/daylight_time.html or, you can view the Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time There are other controversial websites that are launching a campaign to "END Daylight Savings Time". Michelle -- *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Susan Palmer *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2007 9:17 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: DST - another thing. ** And why do we even do a time change Susan On 2/23/07, Julio Verne Goncalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ** G'day listers, > > I guess the problem is how to maintain DST starting and ending dates for > all cities around the world? > > DST observance is very often a city government decision. Even cities in > the same GMT differ in whether will observe DST and starting and end dates. > > There are lots of patches solely for DST purposes on all operating > systems. > > If you can, just take a look at the source files for TZ on Unix and you > will see the amount of comments from people all around the world on this > matter. > > At the end of the day the question is who would be spending the money in > keeping this information up to date to that level? > > Júlio > > - Original Message > Wrom: > OTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBL > > > Hi Claire, > > You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. > > The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to > the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a > rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the > vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help > thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be > externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes > the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. > > Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent > on the idea? > > Peace, > Doug Anderson > > Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the > Mayo Foundation. > > Original message: > Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 > From:"Sanford, Claire" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: DST - another thing. > > Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell > Remedy when DST starts and ends? > > How difficult could that be > __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in > it___ > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in > it___ > __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
This also has some rationale on the time change: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html Axton Grams On 2/23/07, Lucero, Michelle - IST contractor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Hi, Susan: Not sure if that was a rhetorical question :) Scroll down to the section, "History of Daylight Time in the U.S.". http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/daylight_time.html or, you can view the Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time There are other controversial websites that are launching a campaign to "END Daylight Savings Time". Michelle From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. ** And why do we even do a time change Susan On 2/23/07, Julio Verne Goncalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ** > > > G'day listers, > > I guess the problem is how to maintain DST starting and ending dates for all cities around the world? > > DST observance is very often a city government decision. Even cities in the same GMT differ in whether will observe DST and starting and end dates. > > There are lots of patches solely for DST purposes on all operating systems. > > If you can, just take a look at the source files for TZ on Unix and you will see the amount of comments from people all around the world on this matter. > > At the end of the day the question is who would be spending the money in keeping this information up to date to that level? > > Júlio > > > - Original Message > Wrom: OTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBL > > Hi Claire, > > You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. > > The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. > > Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent on the idea? > > Peace, > Doug Anderson > > Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the Mayo Foundation. > > Original message: > Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 > From:"Sanford, Claire" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: DST - another thing. > > Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? > > How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
Hi, Susan: Not sure if that was a rhetorical question :) Scroll down to the section, "History of Daylight Time in the U.S.". http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/daylight_time.html or, you can view the Wikipedia explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time There are other controversial websites that are launching a campaign to "END Daylight Savings Time". Michelle From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. ** And why do we even do a time change Susan On 2/23/07, Julio Verne Goncalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** G'day listers, I guess the problem is how to maintain DST starting and ending dates for all cities around the world? DST observance is very often a city government decision. Even cities in the same GMT differ in whether will observe DST and starting and end dates. There are lots of patches solely for DST purposes on all operating systems. If you can, just take a look at the source files for TZ on Unix and you will see the amount of comments from people all around the world on this matter. At the end of the day the question is who would be spending the money in keeping this information up to date to that level? Júlio - Original Message Wrom: OTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBL Hi Claire, You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent on the idea? Peace, Doug Anderson Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the Mayo Foundation. Original message: Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 From:"Sanford, Claire" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com <http://au.messenger.yahoo.com/> __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
And why do we even do a time change Susan On 2/23/07, Julio Verne Goncalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** G'day listers, I guess the problem is how to maintain DST starting and ending dates for all cities around the world? DST observance is very often a city government decision. Even cities in the same GMT differ in whether will observe DST and starting and end dates. There are lots of patches solely for DST purposes on all operating systems. If you can, just take a look at the source files for TZ on Unix and you will see the amount of comments from people all around the world on this matter. At the end of the day the question is who would be spending the money in keeping this information up to date to that level? Júlio - Original Message Wrom: OTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBL Hi Claire, You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent on the idea? Peace, Doug Anderson Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the Mayo Foundation. Original message: Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 From:"Sanford, Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
G'day listers, I guess the problem is how to maintain DST starting and ending dates for all cities around the world? DST observance is very often a city government decision. Even cities in the same GMT differ in whether will observe DST and starting and end dates. There are lots of patches solely for DST purposes on all operating systems. If you can, just take a look at the source files for TZ on Unix and you will see the amount of comments from people all around the world on this matter. At the end of the day the question is who would be spending the money in keeping this information up to date to that level? Júlio - Original Message From: "Anderson, Douglas W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Friday, 23 February, 2007 3:43:19 AM Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Re: DST - another thing.** Hi Claire, You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent on the idea? Peace, Doug Anderson Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the Mayo Foundation. Original message: Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 From:"Sanford, Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
Hi Claire, You're right, of course, and not just about ARS. The server admins (UNIX, Windows, RDBMS, etc.) here are all stretched to the max patching for DST. I'll bet every one of those patches is just a rehash of the prior implementation - which required patching. Given the vagaries of the US Congress and other legislative bodies, I couldn't help thinking when this all started that DST rules are data and ought to be externalized accordingly, not hard-coded. Then the next time someone changes the rules, we'd only need to swap out a data file and restart. Ah well, maybe next time. Or maybe we ought to have filed for a patent on the idea? Peace, Doug Anderson Opinions expressed are necessarily mine, not necessarily those of the Mayo Foundation. Original message: Date:Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:43:48 -0600 From:"Sanford, Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
That is the whole point of, and simplicity of, Claire's suggestion, you could build that into it by having different dates etc. for the different parts of the world. Instead of worrying about your Server's time (which I usually set to GMT/UT anyway). I haven't thought about how that would interact with business time calculations using that process/function and then doing the calculations if your server is storing the date/times in some local time zone. For many applications isolating what times are used for display and calculations and notifications from a time arbitrarily set based on where your Server is makes a lot of sense. Thanks Claire, I think I have a use for that in the very near term future :-) . daniel _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ARSList Sent: February 21, 2007 8:08 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. What about multiple time zones? Follow - the - sun, etc. _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:44 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
What about multiple time zones? Follow - the - sun, etc... From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:44 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
That is an excellent idea Claire !! Susan On 2/21/07, Sanford, Claire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
Excellent question, Claire. It would seem the prudent way to handle the topic. Rick _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:44 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DST - another thing. ** Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be __20060125___This posting was submitted with HTML in it___ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
Re: DST - another thing.
Why can't there be a form much like the Business Holiday forms that tell Remedy when DST starts and ends? How difficult could that be ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org ARSlist:"Where the Answers Are"
