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John, I agree! Hopefully BMC will do something about this? Using an object name to control how the system operates is hardly best practice. Adding a couple of flag fields on filters active links to achieve this is certainly not going to be difficult for BMC. I have had to defend Remedy's honour in the past from developers, dba's and sysadmins outside of the Remedy world for various things, but this ''worst practice is one thing that is simply not defendable Best Regards, Theo Sent from my Black/Silver Personal Computer Try not to become a person of success, but a person of value. - Albert Einstein From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: 06 April 2012 19:53 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED... Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately... Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention... (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that's as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That's a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.comhttp://www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12
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You can use ESCLATION to enable this filter From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Theo Fondse Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** John, I agree! Hopefully BMC will do something about this? Using an object name to control how the system operates is hardly best practice. Adding a couple of flag fields on filters active links to achieve this is certainly not going to be difficult for BMC. I have had to defend Remedy's honour in the past from developers, dba's and sysadmins outside of the Remedy world for various things, but this ''worst practice is one thing that is simply not defendable Best Regards, Theo Sent from my Black/Silver Personal Computer Try not to become a person of success, but a person of value. - Albert Einstein From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: 06 April 2012 19:53 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED... Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately... Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention... (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that's as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That's a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.comhttp://www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp
Filter names question - `!
Theo The use of manipulating strings for instructions has been going on for years. Look at the Run process action being overloaded with perform action. Run process has been treated like a script element, which I would applaud if it meant that workflow could be written with scripts, ie one could write ten lines of script to run with a form (as they can do with HP Service Manager). Any application that's spending time checking strings for `! or trying to interpret run process strings that may be script instructions, is an application that's going to consume more memory and run more slowly than an application that's compiled script into byte code (ie Python/Java). John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Worst practice - I have not heard that before - good one. -John Sent from my iPad -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Building a Better Service Experience Recipient of the WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award john.sundb...@kineticdata.com 651.556.0930 I www.kineticdata.com On Apr 10, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Ali A. Musa aam...@stc.com.sa wrote: ** You can use ESCLATION to enable this filter From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Theo Fondse Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** John, I agree! Hopefully BMC will do something about this? Using an object name to control how the system operates is hardly best practice. Adding a couple of flag fields on filters active links to achieve this is certainly not going to be difficult for BMC. I have had to defend Remedy's honour in the past from developers, dba's and sysadmins outside of the Remedy world for various things, but this ''worst practice is one thing that is simply not defendable Best Regards, Theo Sent from my Black/Silver Personal Computer “Try not to become a person of success, but a person of value.” – Albert Einstein From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: 06 April 2012 19:53 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED… Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately… Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it…. After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention… (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that…. Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- John Sundberg
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Hi John, I know I'm dating myself but . . . . Walter Matthau was on the tonight show one night and talking about getting recognized. He said that he was out at a restaurant one night, and had to go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal, someone said to him: Are you Drew Pearson? Walther Matthau said: I haven't started yet. Sorry. I know it's early on a Monday morning (or it is here) but that's one of my all time favorite Walter Matthau lines. For those of you who don't know who Drew Pearson is, look him up. Stan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! John I once met John Major in a toilet. I waltzed in, keen to relieve myself after consuming most of a very nice bottle of wine, and found myself waiting patiently for Mr Major to relieve himself despite a number of urinals (I couldn't possibly consider relieving myself next to an ex-PM). As he went to wash his hands, I remarked Mr Major, I never expected to meet the ex-Prime Minister of our country in the gents. He replied, You never know, you never know. I later met him in a more social environment. An MP was busy walking him round introducing him to people. And this is John Baker, he said. Mr Major replied, Indeed, we met in rather different circumstances earlier, and smiled. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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A foorball player? ??? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Stanley Feinstein Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:20 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Hi John, I know I'm dating myself but . . . . Walter Matthau was on the tonight show one night and talking about getting recognized. He said that he was out at a restaurant one night, and had to go to the bathroom. While standing at the urinal, someone said to him: Are you Drew Pearson? Walther Matthau said: I haven't started yet. Sorry. I know it's early on a Monday morning (or it is here) but that's one of my all time favorite Walter Matthau lines. For those of you who don't know who Drew Pearson is, look him up. Stan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! John I once met John Major in a toilet. I waltzed in, keen to relieve myself after consuming most of a very nice bottle of wine, and found myself waiting patiently for Mr Major to relieve himself despite a number of urinals (I couldn't possibly consider relieving myself next to an ex-PM). As he went to wash his hands, I remarked Mr Major, I never expected to meet the ex-Prime Minister of our country in the gents. He replied, You never know, you never know. I later met him in a more social environment. An MP was busy walking him round introducing him to people. And this is John Baker, he said. Mr Major replied, Indeed, we met in rather different circumstances earlier, and smiled. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are Portions of this message may be confidential under an exemption to Ohio's public records law or under a legal privilege. If you have received this message in error or due to an unauthorized transmission or interception, please delete all copies from your system without disclosing, copying, or transmitting this message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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John I once met John Major in a toilet. I waltzed in, keen to relieve myself after consuming most of a very nice bottle of wine, and found myself waiting patiently for Mr Major to relieve himself despite a number of urinals (I couldn't possibly consider relieving myself next to an ex-PM). As he went to wash his hands, I remarked Mr Major, I never expected to meet the ex-Prime Minister of our country in the gents. He replied, You never know, you never know. I later met him in a more social environment. An MP was busy walking him round introducing him to people. And this is John Baker, he said. Mr Major replied, Indeed, we met in rather different circumstances earlier, and smiled. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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LOL... and did he know the difference between `! and $! ?? David Sanders Solution Architect Enterprise Service Suite @ Work / e-ServiceSuite tel +44 1494 468980 mobile +44 7710 377761 email david.sand...@westoverconsulting.co.uk web http://www.westoverconsulting.co.uk http://www.e-servicesuite.co.uk ITIL SaaS On Premise -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: 07 April 2012 15:29 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! John I once met John Major in a toilet. I waltzed in, keen to relieve myself after consuming most of a very nice bottle of wine, and found myself waiting patiently for Mr Major to relieve himself despite a number of urinals (I couldn't possibly consider relieving myself next to an ex-PM). As he went to wash his hands, I remarked Mr Major, I never expected to meet the ex-Prime Minister of our country in the gents. He replied, You never know, you never know. I later met him in a more social environment. An MP was busy walking him round introducing him to people. And this is John Baker, he said. Mr Major replied, Indeed, we met in rather different circumstances earlier, and smiled. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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LOL... and did he know the difference between `! and '$ ?? oops David Sanders Solution Architect Enterprise Service Suite @ Work / e-ServiceSuite tel +44 1494 468980 mobile +44 7710 377761 email david.sand...@westoverconsulting.co.uk web http://www.westoverconsulting.co.uk http://www.e-servicesuite.co.uk ITIL SaaS On Premise -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: 07 April 2012 15:29 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! John I once met John Major in a toilet. I waltzed in, keen to relieve myself after consuming most of a very nice bottle of wine, and found myself waiting patiently for Mr Major to relieve himself despite a number of urinals (I couldn't possibly consider relieving myself next to an ex-PM). As he went to wash his hands, I remarked Mr Major, I never expected to meet the ex-Prime Minister of our country in the gents. He replied, You never know, you never know. I later met him in a more social environment. An MP was busy walking him round introducing him to people. And this is John Baker, he said. Mr Major replied, Indeed, we met in rather different circumstances earlier, and smiled. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* * * 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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~! - It was my understaning it was the same as calling Application-Release-Pending. Since Application-Release-Pending exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this - unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Yup... I learnt that too some time ago and that applies to Active Links as well – or so I heard.. I questioned the use of that in AL’s suspecting that it might be a special naming convention and found that out.. Joe From: Garrison, Sean (Norcross) Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:02 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** “~!” – It was my understaning it was the same as calling “Application-Release-Pending”. Since “Application-Release-Pending” exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this – unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Here is what I found out from on page 186 AR System 7.6.04 Workflow objects guide. I don't see any reference to active links though. In release 7.6.04, Application-Release-Pending was modified to automatically run in filter Phase 1. Therefore, you no longer need to use the special filter naming convention to override filter phasing for this command. Thanks, Wirasat Siddiqi Remedy Development Team Desk Phone: 202-502-3204 Cell: 202-368-7190 Email: wirasat_sidd...@ao.uscourts.gov From: Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Date: 04/06/2012 09:24 AM Subject:Re: Filter names question - `! Sent by:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ** Yup... I learnt that too some time ago and that applies to Active Links as well ? or so I heard.. I questioned the use of that in AL?s suspecting that it might be a special naming convention and found that out.. Joe From: Garrison, Sean (Norcross) Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:02 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** ?~!? ? It was my understaning it was the same as calling ?Application-Release-Pending?. Since ?Application-Release-Pending? exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this ? unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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That makes sense actually.. I had found quite a few AL’s out of the box that had that naming convention. AL’s do not have phases so it didn’t make complete sense when used in context of Active Links.. Joe From: Wirasat Siddiqi Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:45 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** Here is what I found out from on page 186 AR System 7.6.04 Workflow objects guide. I don't see any reference to active links though. In release 7.6.04, Application-Release-Pending was modified to automatically run in filter Phase 1. Therefore, you no longer need to use the special filter naming convention to override filter phasing for this command. Thanks, Wirasat Siddiqi Remedy Development Team Desk Phone: 202-502-3204 Cell: 202-368-7190 Email: wirasat_sidd...@ao.uscourts.gov From:Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Date:04/06/2012 09:24 AM Subject:Re: Filter names question - `! Sent by:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ** Yup... I learnt that too some time ago and that applies to Active Links as well – or so I heard.. I questioned the use of that in AL’s suspecting that it might be a special naming convention and found that out.. Joe From: Garrison, Sean (Norcross) Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:02 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** “~!” – It was my understaning it was the same as calling “Application-Release-Pending”. Since “Application-Release-Pending” exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this – unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Sean, `! overrides filter phasing making things that happen in this Filter run in Phase 1..Application-Release-Pending commits the actions of previous Push actions to the DB.the two are NOT the same From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Garrison, Sean (Norcross) Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:02 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** ~! - It was my understaning it was the same as calling Application-Release-Pending. Since Application-Release-Pending exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this - unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com http://www.kineticdata.com/ www.kineticdata.com I http://community.kineticdata.com/ community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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this one pertains to active link. (@@: ) - run process in active link - forces it to run like filter link. I don't know the specific behind it, can anyone explain? -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question-tp7442935p7443128.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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This is used if you want to run process command on current AR System Server. Thanks, Wirasat Siddiqi Remedy Development Team Desk Phone: 202-502-3204 Cell: 202-368-7190 Email: wirasat_sidd...@ao.uscourts.gov From: Dee ddus...@aim.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Date: 04/06/2012 10:13 AM Subject:Re: Filter names question - `! Sent by:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) arslist@ARSLIST.ORG this one pertains to active link. (@@: ) - run process in active link - forces it to run like filter link. I don't know the specific behind it, can anyone explain? -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question-tp7442935p7443128.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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You are right they are not the same ... ~! (I believe does an app release pending before performing the action in the filter -- can't confirm. I know it existed in the 6.0 days.) It is an old convention that is probably no longer supported. ` `! Is another special naming convention that does exactly what you have said - overrides filter phasing Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:09 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** Sean, `! overrides filter phasing making things that happen in this Filter run in Phase 1Application-Release-Pending commits the actions of previous Push actions to the DB...the two are NOT the same From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Garrison, Sean (Norcross) Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:02 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** ~! - It was my understaning it was the same as calling Application-Release-Pending. Since Application-Release-Pending exists there is no need for the naming convention anymore (someone will probably correct me on this - unable to confirm it in the documentation). Sean From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Filter names question - `! ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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That is if the process exists on the server you are connected to. The first @ indicates the process is on the server, the second @ indicates it is on the current server.. And if I remember correctly, if you want to run it on an alternate server within a server group you would need to put that server name instead of the second @. Joe -Original Message- From: Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! this one pertains to active link. (@@: ) - run process in active link - forces it to run like filter link. I don't know the specific behind it, can anyone explain? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question-tp7442935p7443316.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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`$ table loop on only the selected rows (from the 7.6.04 workflow objects guide): Limit the active links in the table loop to run only against rows that are selected. To do so, append `$ (backquote character followed by a dollar sign) to the end of the names of the active links contained within the table loop guide. (You do not need to change the name of the active link that calls the guide, the names of the table loop actions, or the name of the active link guide referenced by the call guide.) Thad On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* * * 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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* probably doesn’t mean a damn thing and may have been a convention used by past developers at your site to either indicate a new custom object or something like that.. Thank God (Doug Mueller in this case) for overlays.. you will see fewer of those kind of naming conventions by developers engaging in customizing activities.. (I just broke the 1st commandment..) `1 was probably a typo for `!. I have not come across any documentation for `1 if it exists.. Joe -Original Message- From: Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:26 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) - ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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This one was introduced before they added the 'selected rows only' option on call guide actions..while I'm sure it still exists for backwards compatibility, it's no longer needed J From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Thad Esser Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:28 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** `$ table loop on only the selected rows (from the 7.6.04 workflow objects guide): Limit the active links in the table loop to run only against rows that are selected. To do so, append `$ (backquote character followed by a dollar sign) to the end of the names of the active links contained within the table loop guide. (You do not need to change the name of the active link that calls the guide, the names of the table loop actions, or the name of the active link guide referenced by the call guide.) Thad On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com http://www.kineticdata.com/ www.kineticdata.com I http://community.kineticdata.com/ community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com http://www.wwrug.com/ ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question -tp7442935p7443316.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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(nerd alert) Yep, but he asked for what existed, not what was useful. :-) On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.com wrote: ** This one was introduced before they added the ‘selected rows only’ option on call guide actions….while I’m sure it still exists for backwards compatibility, it’s no longer needed J ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Thad Esser *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2012 9:28 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: Filter names question - `! ** ** ** `$ table loop on only the selected rows (from the 7.6.04 workflow objects guide): Limit the active links in the table loop to run only against rows that are selected. To do so, append `$ (backquote character followed by a dollar sign) to the end of the names of the active links contained within the table loop guide. (You do not need to change the name of the active link that calls the guide, the names of the table loop actions, or the name of the active link guide referenced by the call guide.) Thad On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ** ** ??? ** ** ** ** -John ** ** ** ** ** ** -- *John Sundberg* *Kinetic Data, Inc.* *Your Business. Your Process.* *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* ** ** 651-556-0930 I* *john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I* *community.kineticdata.com ** ** ** ** _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question -tp7442935p7443316.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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LOL.too true J From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Thad Esser Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** (nerd alert) Yep, but he asked for what existed, not what was useful. :-) On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.com wrote: ** This one was introduced before they added the 'selected rows only' option on call guide actions..while I'm sure it still exists for backwards compatibility, it's no longer needed J From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Thad Esser Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:28 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** `$ table loop on only the selected rows (from the 7.6.04 workflow objects guide): Limit the active links in the table loop to run only against rows that are selected. To do so, append `$ (backquote character followed by a dollar sign) to the end of the names of the active links contained within the table loop guide. (You do not need to change the name of the active link that calls the guide, the names of the table loop actions, or the name of the active link guide referenced by the call guide.) Thad On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** Do any other specials exist other than `! ??? -John -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com http://www.kineticdata.com/ www.kineticdata.com I http://community.kineticdata.com/ community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com http://www.wwrug.com/ ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com http://www.wwrug.com/ ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com http://www.wwrug.com/ ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question -tp7442935p7443316.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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I just ran some Ruby against a big Remedy --- I didn't find any other filter extensions of note… (I did not find any ~! -- just `!) h=Hash.new(0) user.getListFilter.to_a.each do |name| h[name[-2,2]] = h[name[-2,2]]+1 end puts h.keys.sort -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:30 AM, LJ LongWing lj.longw...@gmail.com wrote: Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/Filter-names-question -tp7442935p7443316.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* * * 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
Re: Filter names question - `!
I think the convention should be REMOVED… Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately… Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it…. After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention… (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that…. Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netwrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/**offices/cio/s508/03web.htmhttp://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- __**__** ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* * * 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
Re: Filter names question - `!
I agree.. I remember discussing this exact same point a few months or perhaps a year ago. Its weird to make a name of a workflow to be used as ‘code’ to do a specific task. But while it is what it is, it would be nice to have a list of such ‘special naming conventions’.. Joe From: John Sundberg Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:52 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED… Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately… Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it…. After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention… (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that…. Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are
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So weird - so unexpected -- that you really would not keep a map of (old name- new name) when you go and rename your filters… (And -- it is not that you would obviously know that you messed stuff up either) -- as the system will keep working -- but - just be creating wrong data… Which -- is not necessarily found (even in a big system) until a week later… Hence -- restoring is not an option either… Hence -- the project I had. CONCLUSION: It is a bad design - a dangerous design... -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netwrote: ** I agree.. I remember discussing this exact same point a few months or perhaps a year ago. Its weird to make a name of a workflow to be used as ‘code’ to do a specific task. But while it is what it is, it would be nice to have a list of such ‘special naming conventions’.. Joe *From:* John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2012 1:52 PM *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED… Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately… Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it…. After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention… (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that…. Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netwrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/**offices/cio/s508/03web.htmhttp://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1) -- __**__** ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: Where the Answers Are -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award* *WWRUG09 Innovator of the Year Award* * * 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. *WWRUG10 Best Customer Service/Support Award
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JUST REMINISCING… That project was 11 .5 years ago… I remember - because my son was just learning to walk… And -- what was special about that??? He was walking across a fairly large foyer of a very fancy building -- he was walking towards a very large door to go outside. About 8 misc people were watching to see if this little kid will make it without falling… He got to the door - and a very nice person opened it and smiled nicely - and let my son through… That person was Paul Allen… (I have goosebumps remembering it) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:16 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: So weird - so unexpected -- that you really would not keep a map of (old name- new name) when you go and rename your filters… (And -- it is not that you would obviously know that you messed stuff up either) -- as the system will keep working -- but - just be creating wrong data… Which -- is not necessarily found (even in a big system) until a week later… Hence -- restoring is not an option either… Hence -- the project I had. CONCLUSION: It is a bad design - a dangerous design... -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netwrote: ** I agree.. I remember discussing this exact same point a few months or perhaps a year ago. Its weird to make a name of a workflow to be used as ‘code’ to do a specific task. But while it is what it is, it would be nice to have a list of such ‘special naming conventions’.. Joe *From:* John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2012 1:52 PM *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: Filter names question - `! ** I think the convention should be REMOVED… Add a flag on Filter -- Run Immediately… Approx 10 years ago -- I was brought into a big telco project to fix it…. After a new developer went through and renamed filters/actlinks to meet a nicer naming convention… (to work with BMCs new filtering based on COLON) Try -- troubleshooting that…. Old name: mtc_FindIPAddress`! New name: MTC:IP:Find_Address (in a haystack of 2000 filters -- that all got renamed) (OK - I am exaggerating the situation a bit -- but -- either way -- my opinion it is TOO WEIRD to add something to a name - and now it works different) -John On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza jdso...@shyle.netwrote: We are allowed that on Friday :-) This is an interesting thread though.. It would be nice to have a full list of all these small conventions that could affect functionality.. Imagine fat fingering the keyboard (although that’s as likely to happen anytime too soon as as having a snow storm in the middle east) and naming a piece of workflow with these characters and have functionality affected, and not have a clue why.. Joe -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:30 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Ah...yes, I'll agree that * in a workflow doesn't indicate anything then :)mis-read the darn post :) -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Dee was asking about the * in the beginning of workflow names.. That in front of workflow is more the work of a developer customizing an OTB app.. While I was aware that the * at the end of field names was just a visual thing for bold fields, I wasn't aware it was because of the section 508 compliance standards.. That’s a good to know and thanks for that info. -Original Message- From: LJ LongWing Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:06 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! The * at the beginning of the field name is a Section 508 compliance thing...it designates to visually impaired people that the field is required http://www.uspto.gov/web/**offices/cio/s508/03web.htmhttp://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/cio/s508/03web.htm search for the word 'asterisk' -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dee Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Filter names question - `! Thanks Joe, Like John in this post and Sam in Suggestions post last week, are these commands/tricks written any where and are there more? Looking at System Forms/Workflow, do these mean anything or just name conventions? 1. (*)At the begin of Name of workflow, ex. (*TS-SI 100 Upper Server) 2. (~!) At the end of name of workflow, ex. (AP:Sig-RecentHistoryDate~!) 3. (`1)At the end of name of workflow, ex. (XR:GetSchemaWorkflow1`1
