Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Brittain, Mark]

Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
+1 717 810 3687 tel
+1 717 810 2124 fax
dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>

MS 161-043
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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
+1 717 810 3687 tel
+1 717 810 2124 fax
dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>

MS 161-043
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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Longwing, Lj]

David,
I can confirm on an 8.1 Server/Dev Studio, that I do not have the ability
to move an attachment field or pool into a panel, as you stated, the option
seems to be missing.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Shellman, David wrote:

> **
>
> Mark,
>
> ** **
>
> If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that also
> exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.
>
> ** **
>
> We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.
> He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is
> backward compatible.
>
> ** **
>
> We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been
> painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once
> an “unmodified” form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown
> from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to
> “custom” forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an
> Overlay which needs to be done before converting.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Brittain, Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> ** **
>
> The general rule has always been to use the same version of the
> admin/developer tool as the server version.  So there might be something
> with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible.
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
> David
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it’s me or
> something with Dev Studio.
>
> ** **
>
> Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running
> on Oracle).
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I’m
> attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop
> doesn’t seem to allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I
> can right mouse click and use the Move field option.  However with an
> Attachment field, I don’t see that option.
>
> ** **
>
> I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to
> move an exist one.
>
> ** **
>
> Am I missing something obvious?
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Dave Shellman
> *+1 717 810 3687 tel
> +1 717 810 2124 fax
> dave.shell...@te.com
>
>  
>
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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

LJ,

Thanks for the confirmation.  I just played around a little bit and what I 
found is equally odd.

Base Mode

If I create an Attachment field off a Panel field, I cannot drag the Attachment 
field to the Panel field.  However if I create the Attachment field on a Panel 
field, I can drag it off the Panel Field and then back on the Panel field.

Best Practice Mode

Similar to above but I cannot move the Attachment field created on the Tab off 
the Tab.  Which also means I cannot move it to another tab.

Looks like I need to talk to support.

Dave

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:06 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,
I can confirm on an 8.1 Server/Dev Studio, that I do not have the ability to 
move an attachment field or pool into a panel, as you stated, the option seems 
to be missing.

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Shellman, David 
mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>> wrote:
**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Brittain, 
Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
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+1 717 810 2124 fax
dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>

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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Julie Sellers]

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Dave,When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base form (basically deleting the overlay)?Just a thought...From: "Shellman, David"  To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field   
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Mark,  If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that also exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.  We went through several discussions with
 Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward compatible.  We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an “unmodified” form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to “custom” forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which needs to be done before converting.      From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, MarkSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AMTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
  ** Hi Dave,  The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible.  Mark  From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, DavidSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AMTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field  ** I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it’s me or something with Dev Studio.  Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on Oracle).    We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I’m attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn’t seem to allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don’t see that option.  I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to move an exist one.  Am I missing something obvious?  Dave    Dave Shellman+1 717 810 3687 tel+1 717 810 2124 faxdave.shell...@te.com MS 161-043 PO Box 3608 Harrisburg, PA 17105-3608 _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
“unmodified” form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to “custom” 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it’s me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I’m attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn’t seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don’t see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
+1 717 810 3687 tel
+1 717 810 2124 fax
dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>

MS 161-043
PO Box 3608
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3608

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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Dale Jones]

David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on 
behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
“unmodified” form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to “custom” 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it’s me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I’m attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn’t seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don’t see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Dale,

Doing our best to get away from Overlays.  In fact when a form is converted to 
Custom you can't create an Overlay.

Yes, we understand the rule of thumb.  As in the past using a newer version of 
admin tool is not something we do without serious consideration.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on 
behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
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+1 717 810 2124 fax
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MS 161-043
PO Box 3608
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3608

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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on 
behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on 
Oracle).


We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm attempting 
to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop doesn't seem to 
allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I can right mouse click 
and use the Move field option.  However with an Attachment field, I don't see 
that option.

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an 
exist one.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave


Dave Shellman
+1 717 810 3687 tel
+1 717 810 2124 fax
dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>

MS 161-043
PO Box 3608
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3608

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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Joe D'Souza]

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
original email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already
pointed that out..

 

You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?

 

Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system
to a state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do
decide to use overlays.

 

I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they
can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version)
with some of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a
small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you
spend on them I think.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Dale,

 

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1
server.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool,
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.
(Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce
features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know
how to handle.)

Take Care

 

Dale Jones

DCS

Raleigh, NC

919-523-6034

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]
on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

** 

Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

 

Dave


On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers"  wrote:

** 

Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and
the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the
base form (basically deleting the overlay)?

Just a thought...

 

 


  _  


From: "Shellman, David" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Mark,

 

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

 

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.
He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is
backward compatible.

 

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been
painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once
an "unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown
from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to
"custom" forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an
Overlay which needs to be done before converting.

 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Hi Dave,

 

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the
admin/developer tool as the server version.  So there might be something
with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible.

 

Mark

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or
something with Dev Studio.

 

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on
Oracle).

 

 

We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I'm
attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop
doesn't seem to allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I
can right mouse click and use the Move field option.  However with an
Attachment field, I don't see that option.

 

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move
an exist one.

 

Am I missing something obvious?

 

Dave

 

 

Dave Shellman
+1 717 810 3687 tel
+1 717 810 2124 fax
 <mailto:dave.shell...@te.com> dave

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Joe,

When in Best Practice Mode any form created shows as "Custom".   There is not 
an Overlay option.

Dave


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on 
behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compatible.

Mark

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or something 
with Dev Studio.

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Wi

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Longwing, Lj]

Joe,
Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza  wrote:

> **
>
> Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
> original email but thought I’d wade through the list in case someone
> already pointed that out..
>
> ** **
>
> You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons
> why?
>
> ** **
>
> Personally I feel it’s a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
> you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system
> to a state where they are actually useful,  in case you’ll eventually do
> decide to use overlays.
>
> ** **
>
> I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they
> can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version)
> with some of the ‘extra’ steps you need to do in order to even implement a
> small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you
> spend on them I think.
>
> ** **
>
> Joe
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, David
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Dale,
>
> ** **
>
> LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1
> server.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Dale Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> David,
>
> Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment
> Pool, the destination Page and Tab?
>
> May want to try in Base Mode.
>
> May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.
> (Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce
> features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know
> how to handle.)
>
> Take Care
>
> ** **
>
> Dale Jones
>
> DCS
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> 919-523-6034****
>    ------
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** 
>
> Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
> wrote:
>
>  ** 
>
> Dave,
> When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and
> the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
> Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the
> base form (basically deleting the overlay)?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* "Shellman, David" 
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> Mark,
>
>  
>
> If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that also
> exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.
>
>  
>
> We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.
> He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is
> backward compatible.
>
>  
>
> We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been
> painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once
> an “unmodified” form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown
> from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to
> “custom” forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an
> Overlay which needs to be done before converting.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Brittain,
> Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
&g

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Joe D'Souza]

The form you are trying to modify is a custom form created from the Best
Practice mode?

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:07 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Joe,

 

When in Best Practice Mode any form created shows as "Custom".   There is
not an Overlay option.

 

Dave

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
original email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already
pointed that out..

 

You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?

 

Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system
to a state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do
decide to use overlays.

 

I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they
can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version)
with some of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a
small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you
spend on them I think.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Dale,

 

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1
server.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool,
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.
(Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce
features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know
how to handle.)

Take Care

 

Dale Jones

DCS

Raleigh, NC

919-523-6034

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]
on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

** 

Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

 

Dave


On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers"  wrote:

** 

Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and
the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the
base form (basically deleting the overlay)?

Just a thought...

 

 


  _  


From: "Shellman, David" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Mark,

 

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

 

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.
He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is
backward compatible.

 

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been
painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once
an "unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown
from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to
"custom" forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an
Overlay which needs to be done before converting.

 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Hi Dave,

 

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the
admin/developer tool as the server version.  So there might be something
with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible.

 

Mark

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's me or
som

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Joe,
Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is 
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base 
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza 
mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote:
**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Shellman, 
David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Shellman, David 
[dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Hi Dave,

The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer 
tool as the server version.  So there might be something with the 8.1 developer 
that is not compat

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Yes.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:10 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

The form you are trying to modify is a custom form created from the Best 
Practice mode?



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:07 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Joe,

When in Best Practice Mode any form created shows as "Custom".   There is not 
an Overlay option.

Dave


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on 
behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Mark,

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also 
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.  He 
was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward 
compatible.

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted 
into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an 
"unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown from 
previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" 
forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which 
needs to be done before converting.



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: 

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Joe D'Souza]

I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form.

 

Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was
accidentally created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best
Practice mode, without creating an overlay.

 

So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to
create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will
experience what you are right now.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

 

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Joe,

Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

 

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza  wrote:

** 

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
original email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already
pointed that out..

 

You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?

 

Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system
to a state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do
decide to use overlays.

 

I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they
can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version)
with some of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a
small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you
spend on them I think.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Dale,

 

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1
server.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool,
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.
(Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce
features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know
how to handle.)

Take Care

 

Dale Jones

DCS

Raleigh, NC

919-523-6034

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]
on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

** 

Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

 

Dave


On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers"  wrote:

** 

Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and
the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the
base form (basically deleting the overlay)?

Just a thought...

 

 


  _  


From: "Shellman, David" 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Mark,

 

If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also
exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.

 

We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded.
He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is
backward compatible.

 

We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been
painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio.  7.6.04 had several shortcomings once
an "unmodified" form had an overlay added.  Since the forms were home grown
from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to
"custom" forms.  7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an
Overlay which needs to be done before converting.

 

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:1

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Joe,

Doesn't matter if it's a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded to 
Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode.  There is not an option to move 
an Attachment field to a Tab.

I've been creating simple forms in various modes to test various combinations.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form.



Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was accidentally 
created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best Practice mode, 
without creating an overlay.



So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to 
create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will 
experience what you are right now.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Joe,
Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is 
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base 
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza 
mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote:
**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Shellman, 
David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.  (Rule 
of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that 
Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.)

Take Care

Dale Jones
DCS
Raleigh, NC
919-523-6034

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Shellman, David 
[dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
**
Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

Dave

On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" 
mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
**
Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the 
overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base 
form (basically deleting the overlay)?
Just a thought...



From: "Shellman, David" mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG&g

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Joe D'Souza]

I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.

 

This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it
out on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.

 

What does BMC Support have to say about it?

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Joe,

 

Doesn't matter if it's a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded to
Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode.  There is not an option to
move an Attachment field to a Tab.

 

I've been creating simple forms in various modes to test various
combinations.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form.

 

Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was
accidentally created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best
Practice mode, without creating an overlay.

 

So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to
create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will
experience what you are right now.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

 

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

Joe,

Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

 

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza  wrote:

** 

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
original email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already
pointed that out..

 

You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?

 

Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system
to a state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do
decide to use overlays.

 

I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they
can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version)
with some of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a
small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you
spend on them I think.

 

Joe

 

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM


To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

Dale,

 

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1
server.

 

Dave

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

 

** 

David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool,
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server.
(Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce
features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know
how to handle.)

Take Care

 

Dale Jones

DCS

Raleigh, NC

919-523-6034

  _  

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]
on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

** 

Tried that.  You get a message that the form types do not match.

 

Dave


On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers"  wrote:

** 

Dave,
When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and
the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension).
Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the
base form (basically deleting the overlay)?

Just a thought...

 

 


  _  


From: "Shellman, Dav

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

When something doesn't work right on a complicated form I create simple forms 
so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.

If you're on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test.  That would 
at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server out of the 
equation.

Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago.  I haven't heard back 
from them yet.  I will keep folks posted with what I learn.

Thanks
Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.



This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it out 
on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.



What does BMC Support have to say about it?



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Joe,

Doesn't matter if it's a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded to 
Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode.  There is not an option to move 
an Attachment field to a Tab.

I've been creating simple forms in various modes to test various combinations.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form.



Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was accidentally 
created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best Practice mode, 
without creating an overlay.



So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to 
create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will 
experience what you are right now.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Joe,
Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is 
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base 
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza 
mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote:
**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Shellman, 
David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Dale,

LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Dale Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
David,

Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, 
the destination Page and Tab?

May want to try in Base Mode.

May 

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Jason Miller]

I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :)

Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back?  I am
wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before
saving it in the view.

I just thought about it.  We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04
servers so I can try it out.

Jason


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David wrote:

> **
>
> When something doesn’t work right on a complicated form I create simple
> forms so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.
>
> ** **
>
> If you’re on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test.  That
> would at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server
> out of the equation.
>
> ** **
>
> Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago.  I haven’t heard
> back from them yet.  I will keep folks posted with what I learn.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe D'Souza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM
>
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.
>
> ** **
>
> This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it
> out on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.
>
> ** **
>
> What does BMC Support have to say about it?
>
> ** **
>
> Joe
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
> David
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> Joe,
>
> ** **
>
> Doesn’t matter if it’s a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded
> to Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode.  There is not an option
> to move an Attachment field to a Tab.
>
> ** **
>
> I’ve been creating simple forms in various modes to test various
> combinations.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Joe
> D'Souza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> I must have missed that somewhere that it’s a custom form.
>
> ** **
>
> Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was
> accidentally created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the
> Best Practice mode, without creating an overlay.
>
> ** **
>
> So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to
> create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will
> experience what you are right now.
>
> ** **
>
> Joe
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
> David
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> Correct this is custom forms and workflow.
>
> ** **
>
> I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Longwing,
> Lj
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>
> ** **
>
> ** 
>
> Joe,
>
> Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is
> dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base
> with an overlay...but I may be mistaken
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza  wrote:**
> **
>
> ** 
>
> Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your
> original email but thought I’d wade through the list in case someone
> already pointed that out..
>
>  
>
> You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons
> why?
>
>  
>
> Personally I feel it’s a great tool, and not using it might eventually get
> you to a spot 

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Shellman, David]

Great idea.  Sigh, the Attachment field just goes back on the form outside of 
the Tab that I selected.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:20 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :)

Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back?  I am 
wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before saving 
it in the view.

I just thought about it.  We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04 
servers so I can try it out.

Jason

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David 
mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>> wrote:
**
When something doesn't work right on a complicated form I create simple forms 
so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.

If you're on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test.  That would 
at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server out of the 
equation.

Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago.  I haven't heard back 
from them yet.  I will keep folks posted with what I learn.

Thanks
Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Joe 
D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.



This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it out 
on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.



What does BMC Support have to say about it?



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Joe,

Doesn't matter if it's a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded to 
Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode.  There is not an option to move 
an Attachment field to a Tab.

I've been creating simple forms in various modes to test various combinations.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**

I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form.



Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was accidentally 
created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best Practice mode, 
without creating an overlay.



So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to 
create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will 
experience what you are right now.



Joe


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

Correct this is custom forms and workflow.

I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

**
Joe,
Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is 
dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base 
with an overlay...but I may be mistaken

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza 
mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote:
**

Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original 
email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed 
that out..



You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why?



Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you 
to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a 
state where they are actually useful,  in case you'll eventually do decide to 
use overlays.



I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can 
be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some 
of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. 
But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I 
think.



Joe

___

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Jason Miller]

Ran some tests...  I verified this is an issue with forms created as Custom
in Best Practice mode and Dev Studio 8.0 and 8.1.  I think it has something
to do with not being able to overlay the view of a Custom form.

Scenario 1
AR System 7.6.04 SP4

   1. Created Regular form in *Base mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
   2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels
   3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside
   of the PH
   4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH
   5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH
   6. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode*
   7. Created Form and View overlay
   8. Dragged AP off of p2
   9. Dragged AP to p1
   10. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP
   11. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode*
   12. Move Field To is still not an option

When I started this scenario I thought this machine was 8.1 but didn't very
until the end.  Scenario 2 is with 8.1 to since that is the 8.x version in
question.


Scenario 2
AR System 7.6.04 SP4

   1. Using *7.6.04 SP4* deleted overly from scenario 1 returning form to
   state after steps 1 - 5
   2. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
   3. Created Form and View overlay
   4. Dragged AP off of p2
   5. Dragged AP to p1
   6. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP
   7. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode*
   8. Move Field To is still not an option


Scenario 3
AR System 7.6.04 SP4

   1. Created Regular form in *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
   2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels
   3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside
   of the PH
   4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH
   5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH
   6. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
   7. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
   8. Duplicate View
   9. Remove AP and AF from original default view
   10. Add AP and AF back to original default view, field goes back to p2
   11. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode*
   12. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
   13. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
   14. Converted form to Base
   15. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
   16. Converted form to Custom
   17. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
   18. Switch to *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
   19. *Dragged AP from p2*
   20. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
   21. Converted form to Base
   22. Created Overlay
   23. *Cannot drag AP to p2*
   24. *Created View Overlay*
   25. *Can drag AP to p2
   *



On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Jason Miller wrote:

> I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :)
>
> Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back?  I am
> wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before
> saving it in the view.
>
> I just thought about it.  We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04
> servers so I can try it out.
>
> Jason
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> When something doesn’t work right on a complicated form I create simple
>> forms so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you’re on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test.  That
>> would at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server
>> out of the equation.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago.  I haven’t heard
>> back from them yet.  I will keep folks posted with what I learn.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
>> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe D'Souza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM
>>
>> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** 
>>
>> I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it
>> out on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What does BMC Support have to say about it?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> ** **
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
>> David
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM
>> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Doesn’t matter if it’s a form that was

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Jason Miller]

Affirmative.  Looks like my advice to use DS 8.1 has steered you wrong.

It works as expected with DS 7.6.04 but does not with 8.1.  I too get the
red X with 8.0/8.1 unless I convert to Base, overlay the form and the view.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Shellman, David wrote:

> **
> Jason,
>
> In your Scenario 3, you were able to drag and drop the attachment field to
> a tab on the panel field with Dev Studio 7.6.04 in Best Practice Mode?
>
> With the 8.1 Dev Studio, I go to drag and when the field is over the tab
> it displays a red X.
>
> Thanks for testing the different scenarios.
>
> I had a brief exchange with support.  I'll go into more detail when I
> speak to them tomorrow.
>
> Dave
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Jason Miller" 
> wrote:
>
> **
> Ran some tests...  I verified this is an issue with forms created as
> Custom in Best Practice mode and Dev Studio 8.0 and 8.1.  I think it has
> something to do with not being able to overlay the view of a Custom form.
>
> Scenario 1
> AR System 7.6.04 SP4
>
>1. Created Regular form in *Base mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
>2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels
>3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside
>of the PH
>4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH
>5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH
>6. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode*
>7. Created Form and View overlay
>8. Dragged AP off of p2
>9. Dragged AP to p1
>10. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP
>11. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode*
>12. Move Field To is still not an option
>
> When I started this scenario I thought this machine was 8.1 but didn't
> very until the end.  Scenario 2 is with 8.1 to since that is the 8.x
> version in question.
>
>
> Scenario 2
> AR System 7.6.04 SP4
>
>1. Using *7.6.04 SP4* deleted overly from scenario 1 returning form to
>state after steps 1 - 5
>2. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
>3. Created Form and View overlay
>4. Dragged AP off of p2
>5. Dragged AP to p1
>6. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP
>7. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode*
>8. Move Field To is still not an option
>
>
> Scenario 3
> AR System 7.6.04 SP4
>
>1. Created Regular form in *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
>2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels
>3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside
>of the PH
>4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH
>5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH
>6. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
>7. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
>8. Duplicate View
>9. Remove AP and AF from original default view
>10. Add AP and AF back to original default view, field goes back to p2
>11. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode*
>12. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
>13. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
>14. Converted form to Base
>15. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
>16. Converted form to Custom
>17. *Cannot drag AP off p2*
>18. Switch to *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4*
>19. *Dragged AP from p2*
>20. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode*
>21. Converted form to Base
>22. Created Overlay
>23. *Cannot drag AP to p2*
>24. *Created View Overlay*
>25. *Can drag AP to p2
>*
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
>
>> I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :)
>>
>> Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back?  I am
>> wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before
>> saving it in the view.
>>
>> I just thought about it.  We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04
>> servers so I can try it out.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> When something doesn’t work right on a complicated form I create simple
>>> forms so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> If you’re on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test.  That
>>> would at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server
>>> out of the equation.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago.  I haven’t heard
>>> back from them yet.  I will keep folks posted with what I learn.
>>>
>>> ** **
>

Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Jithin T.R]

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Shellman, David wrote:

> **
>
> I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it’s me or
> something with Dev Studio.
>
> ** **
>
> Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running
> on Oracle).
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.  I’m
> attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and Drop
> doesn’t seem to allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular field, I
> can right mouse click and use the Move field option.  However with an
> Attachment field, I don’t see that option.
>
> ** **
>
> I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to
> move an exist one.
>
> ** **
>
> Am I missing something obvious?
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field

[Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION OPERATIONS]

Jithin,

There was a rather lengthy discussion about this not too long ago.

Check this out:
http://www.javasystemsolutions.com/arslist/find?keywords=Attachment+Pool
+&sender=&date0=&date1=

Hope this helps!

Lisa

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** 


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Shellman, David 
wrote:


** 

I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio.  Not sure it's
me or something with Dev Studio.

 

Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server
running on Oracle).

 

 

We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form.
I'm attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field.  Drag and
Drop doesn't seem to allow me to move the fields there.  On a regular
field, I can right mouse click and use the Move field option.  However
with an Attachment field, I don't see that option.

 

I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't
seem to move an exist one.

 

Am I missing something obvious?

 

Dave

 

 

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