Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Bernhard, On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] Does anybody knows if the wiki size might be a problem one day? I remember times where the wiki was out of service - and these have been much more than the collabnet website containing issue tracker. I'm not sure why the wiki has been down so much recently, but here is a partial answer to your question from a recent discussion on the UX list: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The server that runs the wiki and the user forums is far from capacity currently. The user forums run on postgreSQL now. (We are moving to MySQL as we speak but that has to do with phpBB specifics.) Currently between the two zones (wiki and forum) it dishes up about 1 million pages a month, fairly evenly split between the two sites. [...] The forums run about 100 users on line at any given moment, pretty much 24/7. I would expect this number to double over the next 9 to 18 months as more NL forums go up. This still leaves plenty of excess capacity I believe (see below). I don't know about the number of wiki users on-line at any given time, but given that the page views are about the same as the forum I doubt it is much different. In the case of the forums the number of users browsing or searching is so much higher then those posting the CPU usage and hit to the db is pretty low. I would strongly expect it is the same with the wiki. Source: http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discussmsgNo=2645 What should be done to find an optimal solution? My suggestion would be to use the Art project website at marketing.openoffice.org/art to store official/approved artwork, and to use the wiki for submitting proposals [1] and other more general discussions and resources. This would keep the barrier to entry reasonably low and open. I like this idea: It keeps the official artwork in a prominent position and avoids changes to it. Slightly off topic - with regard to general discussions and resources, the problem with the current website is that it is really out of date in terms of content. After some discussion, I started 'migrating' the art project to the wiki, using the UX project's wiki pages as a model: Please see: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art How to join the Art Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/How_To_Join Art Project Contributor List: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Community (please add yourself here), etc. In terms of maintaining pages, it's much easier than tunneling and CVS'ing. What do you think? Regards, Ivan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Ivan, all, Ivan M wrote: Hi Bernhard, On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] Does anybody knows if the wiki size might be a problem one day? I remember times where the wiki was out of service - and these have been much more than the collabnet website containing issue tracker. I'm not sure why the wiki has been down so much recently, I hope this will not be the case when we need it for our work - otherwise Issue Tracker would be better IMHO. [...] Slightly off topic - with regard to general discussions and resources, the problem with the current website is that it is really out of date in terms of content. I know - I've been more or less the only one updating the website when I've been active two or three years ago. Since then, nearly nothing has changed. After some discussion, I started 'migrating' the art project to the wiki, using the UX project's wiki pages as a model: Please see: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art How to join the Art Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/How_To_Join Art Project Contributor List: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Community (please add yourself here), etc. In terms of maintaining pages, it's much easier than tunneling and CVS'ing. What do you think? Maintaining is easier at the wiki, but modifying official content is easy as well. Therefore I'd prefer the website for static information and the wiki for anything that changes more or less often. Your pages are a good starting point for people interested in OOo Art, but I'd like to keep some pages (updated!) at the website as well. The pages at the website should contain - the galleries containing official artwork approved by this list - information about the project, it's goals, style guide, licenses and other unchanged stuff - a starting page linking to the galleries, the information pages and to the wiki (I updated the Art Project's index page two years ago, but didn't finalize it - it's still stored at index_beta.html, but it doesn't use the new colors of the main project.) Perhaps the how-to pages could be at the website as well, if they have reached a final state at the wiki. But as the wiki is easier to start with, I am all for improving the existing pages on the wiki and updating the website one by one. All of this is just my personal opinion - and if the contributors here want to work differently, I don't have a problem with any other solution. The wiki seems to be worked on by just a few people too, so this might be improved as well. Best regards Bernhard Regards, Ivan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Ivan, all, I took your reply for all the others Ivan M wrote: The wiki offers many advantages over Issue Tracker, the main ones being automatic thumbnails and the ability to view images in a gallery-like format, rather than having to click on file names and download each file separately, as in Issue Tracker. Agreed. Does anybody knows if the wiki size might be a problem one day? I remember times where the wiki was out of service - and these have been much more than the collabnet website containing issue tracker. What should be done to find an optimal solution? My suggestion would be to use the Art project website at marketing.openoffice.org/art to store official/approved artwork, and to use the wiki for submitting proposals [1] and other more general discussions and resources. This would keep the barrier to entry reasonably low and open. I like this idea: It keeps the official artwork in a prominent position and avoids changes to it. On the other hand, proposals and unofficial artwork can be contributed quite easily and presented by a link from the website. In the past I preferred Issue Tracker as the wiki was restricted in size and quite often not reachable. The idea of introducing quite an easy entrypoint to Issue Tracker might be good for issues related to developers (QA, bugs, enhancements ...), as most of the artists are not interested in this kind of stuff, it's no real point for the Art Project. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Nik, * Nikash V. SINGH wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to wish Bernhard a warm welcome back as well! Thanks! in regards to the conversation below, I also think the Wiki is perfect for our needs, but since Bernhard has brought up the issue, this reminds of the old Wallpapers gallery that was part of the project when I joined. What about creating a gallery like that site, but to contain all new work rather than just wallpapers? For official artwork galleries on the website should be created, but updating web pages with all new artwork is much more to do than just linking to the wiki. I'd think we should keep actual work at the wiki and add artwork to the web galleries when they have been approved by this project. What do you think? Best Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Bernhard, and welcome back! Le 26 janv. 09 à 20:47, Dr. Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Wiki offers a watchlist, so you can track updates to the pages you watches. You can not only watch pages you modified by yourself, but every other page too (just add it to the watchlist in raw format). http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist/raw No need to edit the watchlist in raw format. Simply log on, and click on the follow tab (it is the last one.) Regards, Clément Pillias. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Clément Pillias wrote: [...] No need to edit the watchlist in raw format. Simply log on, and click on the follow tab (it is the last one.) Finally I found it (called watch here) - don't know why, but I searched at the bottom of the page ... Thanks Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi Bernhard, you used the wiki for the splash screen contest. Do you think this is a better place for contributing artwork than Issue Tracker? I think the wiki is a good option, and has been widely accepted, so if everyone else agrees, I'd like to stick to it for art. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Ivan M, 25-01-2009 21:35: Hi Bernhard, Florian, all, On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi all, you used the wiki for the splash screen contest. Do you think this is a better place for contributing artwork than Issue Tracker? The wiki offers many advantages over Issue Tracker, the main ones being automatic thumbnails and the ability to view images in a gallery-like format, rather than having to click on file names and download each file separately, as in Issue Tracker. +1 What should be done to find an optimal solution? My suggestion would be to use the Art project website at marketing.openoffice.org/art to store official/approved artwork, and to use the wiki for submitting proposals [1] and other more general discussions and resources. This would keep the barrier to entry reasonably low and open. Sure. Is far better to the ones attaching the images and to the ones looking at them. Someone may miss the emails IT sends, but we could use some pages to track the updates and someone could watch the page or filter it on RSS. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork?
Hi all, Just wanted to wish Bernhard a warm welcome back as well! in regards to the conversation below, I also think the Wiki is perfect for our needs, but since Bernhard has brought up the issue, this reminds of the old Wallpapers gallery that was part of the project when I joined. What about creating a gallery like that site, but to contain all new work rather than just wallpapers? It may not be an optimal solution, just throwing it out there. -Nik From: Caio Tiago Oliveira cai...@gmail.com To: art@marketing.openoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 January, 2009 11:52:47 AM Subject: Re: [art] Wiki or Issue Tracker for artwork? Ivan M, 25-01-2009 21:35: Hi Bernhard, Florian, all, On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi all, you used the wiki for the splash screen contest. Do you think this is a better place for contributing artwork than Issue Tracker? The wiki offers many advantages over Issue Tracker, the main ones being automatic thumbnails and the ability to view images in a gallery-like format, rather than having to click on file names and download each file separately, as in Issue Tracker. +1 What should be done to find an optimal solution? My suggestion would be to use the Art project website at marketing.openoffice.org/art to store official/approved artwork, and to use the wiki for submitting proposals [1] and other more general discussions and resources. This would keep the barrier to entry reasonably low and open. Sure. Is far better to the ones attaching the images and to the ones looking at them. Someone may miss the emails IT sends, but we could use some pages to track the updates and someone could watch the page or filter it on RSS. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
