[AsburyPark] Foundation aids children
from today's APP letters to the editor: I saw your (APP) Jan. 4 editorial Field of Dreams on the proposed Little League field in Asbury Park. Have the organizers looked into Derek Jeter's foundation? It is called Turn 2 Foundation and its mission is to create and support signature programs and activities that motivate young people to turn away from drugs and alcohol and Turn 2' healthy lifestyles.They award grants and are particularly interested in assisting youngsters in inner cities and urban areas of America. Information is available at DerekJeter.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another
Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
I understand this happened at The Deep. The guy was bleeding very badly. I was driving down the beach last evening with my family and there were many parked cars and lots of young people walking around. Was there a concert or something last night? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
I was in the mood for a Checkers Mushroom Swiss burger the other day, but alas, Checkers on Memorial Drive is closed and boarded up. Anybody know why? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand this happened at The Deep. The guy was bleeding very badly. I was driving down the beach last evening with my family and there were many parked cars and lots of young people walking around. Was there a concert or something last night? I heard it was at the Pony. There was a fight and purportedly the kid fell and died. I also heard the police kept everyone in the place for hours for questioning. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
No, it was at Deep. They had the police tape around the Ocean Ave entrance. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I understand this happened at The Deep. The guy was bleeding very badly. I was driving down the beach last evening with my family and there were many parked cars and lots of young people walking around. Was there a concert or something last night? I heard it was at the Pony. There was a fight and purportedly the kid fell and died. I also heard the police kept everyone in the place for hours for questioning. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it was at Deep. They had the police tape around the Ocean Ave entrance. Mea culpa. You and Tommy are right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
thats been closed for a while now. not sure why. probably not enough income from the place, its also not in the best of areas. they probably thought theyd get more visitors then they did. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
It did seem like a weird location to me. To bad they didn't succeed. My tummy will miss them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats been closed for a while now. not sure why. probably not enough income from the place, its also not in the best of areas. they probably thought theyd get more visitors then they did. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! Big mistake Sharon. John Loffredo os one of the reasons we have seen so little progress and abuse by Asbury Partners. Loffredo has made it clear where he stands when it comes between the people of Asbury Park and Asbury Partners. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Sharon, Why is it a big mistake? I agree with you he would make an excellent candidate. Toni
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a Skinhead who was wearing a tee-shirt with a confedeate flag on it words were said then a fight inside that led to a fight outside and he hit his head on the new streetscape. It was a just a matter of time, I never liked walking pass the Deep during the summer when those heavy metal bands played. Heavy metal music, alcohol and ski heads are not a good conbiantion. If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Once again Fred posts the details. Nice that we have a place to go to get the news. - Original Message From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:29:27 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ ... wrote: He was a Skinhead who was wearing a tee-shirt with a confedeate flag on it words were said then a fight inside that led to a fight outside and he hit his head on the new streetscape. It was a just a matter of time, I never liked walking pass the Deep during the summer when those heavy metal bands played. Heavy metal music, alcohol and ski heads are not a good conbiantion. If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Skinheads and Heavy Metal music are 2 completely different things. I sincerely doubt you'd ever find trouble with anybody in the metal world, but skinheads are a whole different animal. They are usually racist to the extreme, and use shows as recruiting grounds. There was once a great music venue in Trenton called City Gardens that basically had to close down because of skinhead related violence. Personally, I think Club Deep is making a big mistake by hosting events that are connected to skinheads in any way. This recent death should be a wakeup call for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: He was a Skinhead who was wearing a tee-shirt with a confedeate flag on it words were said then a fight inside that led to a fight outside and he hit his head on the new streetscape. It was a just a matter of time, I never liked walking pass the Deep during the summer when those heavy metal bands played. Heavy metal music, alcohol and ski heads are not a good conbiantion. If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, Why is it a big mistake? I agree with you he would make an excellent candidate. Toni Because Loffredo has been ineffectual in getting Asbury Partners to deliver on its obligations to this City. He has been in a large part, an obstacle in putting their feet to the fire. I won;t go over old history. Needless to say, he contradicted what he said in a public meeting about the value of the Triangle only two weeks afterwards and took Partners side and disseminated untrue info about that deal in two newspapers. Later he renounced and contradicted what he said years earlier in print and radio about the height of any development on the C-8 site. Little things to some, but both were in the interest of Partners and contrary to the interest of this city. Five years later and there is no waterfront redevelopment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a Skinhead who was wearing a tee-shirt with a confedeate flag on it words were said then a fight inside that led to a fight outside and he hit his head on the new streetscape. It was a just a matter of time, I never liked walking pass the Deep during the summer when those heavy metal bands played. Heavy metal music, alcohol and ski heads are not a good conbiantion. But that is the sort of redevelopment that Partners has brought to our waterfront. That and cartoons. Time to wake up folks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
Although I'm sure my current shape took a beating from the place, I must say Checker's had much better burgers than McD's, Burger King and Wendy's. Always fresh, particularly the onions. I too will miss them. What now of that building? What an eyesore it will become in such a visible spot. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like a weird location to me. To bad they didn't succeed. My tummy will miss them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: thats been closed for a while now. not sure why. probably not enough income from the place, its also not in the best of areas. they probably thought theyd get more visitors then they did. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
Since they've boarded it up, it already looks like an eyesore. Too bad. I really liked Checkers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'm sure my current shape took a beating from the place, I must say Checker's had much better burgers than McD's, Burger King and Wendy's. Always fresh, particularly the onions. I too will miss them. What now of that building? What an eyesore it will become in such a visible spot. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: It did seem like a weird location to me. To bad they didn't succeed. My tummy will miss them... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: thats been closed for a while now. not sure why. probably not enough income from the place, its also not in the best of areas. they probably thought theyd get more visitors then they did. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Sharon I like John Loffredo a bunch. The only reason why I wouldn't want him to run for Assembly is a selfish one: I wouldn't want him replaced here in AP! Remember what happened to John 4 years ago. The Democrats begged him to run for Assembly. He finally agreed. What happened next? The Democrats totally abandoned him. They gave him no money or support and hung him out there on his own. What a backstab! Now compare 2 years ago. The Dems ran two VERY politically connected guys on the State scene - Doherty and Reilly. The Democrats pumped in over One Million Dollars to their comapaign, more than 90% from out of the district (they still lost). If John is thinking about running, he ought to turn to our friend on this Board Michael Brim and tell him this time he wants the money pledged first. Let Brim take that to Scudiery and Cryan and tell them that's what it will take to get John. However, John is an honorable guy. I suspect he wouldn't want to take part in all that wheeling of money from other places like Doherty and Reilly did. It is a disgraceful practice, and one the Monmouth Dems use to a disgraceful extent. They've been challenged to run elections with an agreement not to wheel money, which the Republicans agree to do, but the Democrats turn it down every time. Maybe Brim would like to share with this board who actually is going to run for the Senate seat and the two Assembly seats that cover Asbury Park this year (I think I already know anyway). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
LOL! I absolutely KNEW that you were going to write this! I wish I had emailed it to myself with a timestamp so I could prove that! Funny how we think alike sometimes. I was recently presented with the idea of another Asbury Park councilman running for the Assembly. I vowed to chair his campaign and pledge every dollar I have to get him elected and out of here:-) Anyway, maybe Mr. Brim will favor us with their real candidates. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The only reason why I wouldn't want him to run for Assembly is a selfish one: I wouldn't want him replaced here in AP! I change my vote - Loffredo for Assembly. While we're at it, get Bruno and Sanders to run for something else to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! I absolutely KNEW that you were going to write this! I wish I had emailed it to myself with a timestamp so I could prove that! I beleive you. I owe you for being my best straight man -I mean that from a comedic, not sexual, regard ;) Funny how we think alike sometimes. I was recently presented with the idea of another Asbury Park councilman running for the Assembly. I vowed to chair his campaign and pledge every dollar I have to get him elected and out of here:-) Anyway, maybe Mr. Brim will favor us with their real candidates. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The only reason why I wouldn't want him to run for Assembly is a selfish one: I wouldn't want him replaced here in AP! I change my vote - Loffredo for Assembly. While we're at it, get Bruno and Sanders to run for something else to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Guns, Cities and Police Work
Are we to view this as a price we pay for freedom, or was it political correctness gone wild? Interesting topic. Please read: Turnpike weapons seizures have plummeted since profiling scandal Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NEWARK State police are making far fewer gun-related arrests on the New Jersey Turnpike than they did a decade ago, according to a published report. Last year, troopers made 17 gun-related arrests on the Turnpike, a drop of 91 percent from 1995. They seized 15 guns, or 87 percent fewer than in 1995. Law enforcement authorities say it is difficult to draw a direct connection between the decrease in gun-related arrests on the roadway and the spike in gun violence in cities such as Newark. Some feel it is not that big a stretch. There is no way a reasonable person could not connect the dots between what's going on the highway and what's going in these communities,'' David Jones, president of the State Troopers Fraternal Association, told the newspaper. These are not separate circumstances.'' The decline is attributed to a change in state police strategy on roadside searches, spurred by a state investigation into the practice of pulling over cars and making random searches for weapons. The 1999 probe found that troopers were stopping drivers based on their skin color. State police were put under federal oversight and forced to change their tactics. The numbers went down because we ended the program of random interdiction as a law enforcement tool,'' said former Attorney General John Farmer, who helped institute the reforms. The tactic had seen some success, but when weighed against the alienation of the minority community, it was not effective, and law enforcement had to get better.'' Since the racial profiling controversy, state police have focused more on working with police in cities such as Newark, Irvington and Camden where smugglers transport guns in large numbers. Last year, authorities in those cities seized 114 firearms, up from 86 in 2005. The bottom line is that over the last seven years we've adopted a different playbook and different rules of engagement,'' State Police Superintendent Rick Fuentes said. I would much rather go after the sources or the supply of weapons than to engage in some gut- wrenching searches for these weapons. That's the more prudent way to do it.'' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Guns, Cities and Police Work
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we to view this as a price we pay for freedom, or was it political correctness gone wild? Interesting topic. Please read: The price we pay for freedom, perhaps. Either you have a legitimate stop or you don't. You have a legitimate search or you don't. If you stopped every car, you'd seize more weapons. First we have the stop. Was it legal? Then you need probable cause to do the search. The question is has the NJSP stopped doing stops that would be legal just not to go through the hassle? It might be effective to stop every person with a doo rag on but is it legal? Yes, that is the price we pay for freedom. I am sure if we round up every muslim in the us we'd catch a lot of terrorists, but we'd probably violate the constitutional rights of even more innocents. Why not investigate every Italian-American? I'm sure we'd catch some mobsters. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Several of the recent murders, including the murder of the girl a few weeks ago, were directly tied to gangs. This appears to be your run- of-the-mill barfight that went bad. Not sure what your point is? Are you trying to say this one might be gang related, or that the others were not? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side ASSUMED, to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. I just see the usual, double standard! Justified: I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would volunteer, if asked! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news for us... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Man dies following fight in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of an unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, Sgt. Dexter Whitley said. The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he said. Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a result of a homicide. The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest relatives were not yet notified of the death. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This appears to be your run- of-the-mill barfight that went bad. Not sure what your point is? Are you trying to say this one might be gang related, or that the others were not? Run-of-the-mill bar fight??? Is there such a thing?? Shouldn't there be NO bar fights? Having a Bar, owned by the 'Master Developer', associated with a patron getting beaten to death is not something Asbury Park should take lightly. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Guns, Cities and Police Work
I think though they stopped the practice of random stops at check- points. I believe it is constitutional to have a check point with a pre-determined number: Stop every 7th car, or every 8th car, etc. I think they did away with that. Also, they did away with profiling completely, when in fact some profiling (not pure racial profiling) is nothing more than good police work. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Are we to view this as a price we pay for freedom, or was it political correctness gone wild? Interesting topic. Please read: The price we pay for freedom, perhaps. Either you have a legitimate stop or you don't. You have a legitimate search or you don't. If you stopped every car, you'd seize more weapons. First we have the stop. Was it legal? Then you need probable cause to do the search. The question is has the NJSP stopped doing stops that would be legal just not to go through the hassle? It might be effective to stop every person with a doo rag on but is it legal? Yes, that is the price we pay for freedom. I am sure if we round up every muslim in the us we'd catch a lot of terrorists, but we'd probably violate the constitutional rights of even more innocents. Why not investigate every Italian-American? I'm sure we'd catch some mobsters. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Checkers Drive thru closed. Anybody know why?
What now of that building? What an eyesore it will become in such a visible spot. it wil probably sit empty untill someone rents or buys it. i dont think that will happen in the near future though. it looks a lot better then some of the other eye sores in the city! - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
I didn't advocate bar fights... The fact that there should be no bar fights doesn't stop them from happening. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: This appears to be your run- of-the-mill barfight that went bad. Not sure what your point is? Are you trying to say this one might be gang related, or that the others were not? Run-of-the-mill bar fight??? Is there such a thing?? Shouldn't there be NO bar fights? Having a Bar, owned by the 'Master Developer', associated with a patron getting beaten to death is not something Asbury Park should take lightly. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Ghost of Mr. Bradley strikes again
In a previous post, Werner wrote: Having a Bar, owned by the 'Master Developer', associated with a patron getting beaten to death is not something Asbury Park should take lightly. Werner, as historian, you would know better than most: is it true that when James Bradley sold his boardwalk property to the city (for one-tenth of what it was then assessed at)in 1903 that one reason the city got it so cheaply ($100,000, I think) was a restriction or covenant in perpetuity that Mr. Bradley, the original Master Developer put on the sale? Did his restriction say that no regular liquor license would go to any establishment east of Ocean Avenue? (The license used for years by Hojo's was some sort of catering or special event license, I've heard.) Seems ironic that the first liquor license which blatantly violated that Bradley restriction would go to the Master Developer who reversed the process (private to public, and now back to private)almost exactly 100 years later. And the legal minds on this board might also answer the question: were the original restrictions or covenants legally binding 100 years ago or now? Would a Bradley decendant actually have any say in the matter? And by the way, how long is perpetuity nowadays? Just until you reach room temperature is my guess. Frank D'Alessandro Many brave hearts are asleep in The Deep so beware, b-e-e-e-ware. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
My daughter and I were working on playing songs by The Doors today, and just now I went on the AP Press website and found out the name of the young man that was killed at The Deep - Jim Morrison. Kind of silly of me I know, but still felt odd. Poor guy's family must be wrecked today. God Bless them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't advocate bar fights... The fact that there should be no bar fights doesn't stop them from happening. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: This appears to be your run- of-the-mill barfight that went bad. Not sure what your point is? Are you trying to say this one might be gang related, or that the others were not? Run-of-the-mill bar fight??? Is there such a thing?? Shouldn't there be NO bar fights? Having a Bar, owned by the 'Master Developer', associated with a patron getting beaten to death is not something Asbury Park should take lightly. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] street lights
the first set of street lamps are up near north beach. they look just like the ones in the pictures most of us saw a while back. they look mighty good in my oppion. im sure everyone else will post their thoughts as they see them for themselves. the waterfront blocks are going to look pretty good once they all have lights like this on them. the area will look like no other beach front town in the area, thats for sure. i cant think of any other town that has souly only these types of lights, without the taller cobra lights. even long branch has a mix of both. charlie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Ghost of Mr. Bradley strikes again
Frank, You are dragging up an old debate we have had here a few times. Some on this board believe that Bradley, in his benevolence, inexpensively deeded the beachfront to the City because he wanted the people to use it forever. Others, myself included, believe the mean old cuss had to have the beachfront ripped away from him in a lawsuit by the City, he received a good negotiated sum for it and that he never wanted the people to use it forever (despite what he once wrote on top of the 1903 map). I've been promising myself to get down to Freehold to research the lawsuit in more detail. Someday. As to Liquor licenses, Bradley kept this City dry. I don't think he allowed any, and they came into play in Asbury after Bradley lost control (if I'm recalling correctly). Regarding perpetuities, that is the big joke in law school, trying to make sense of the Rule Against Perpetuities. It has something to do with deed restrictions expiring after a human gestation period, a life and 21 years, but the whole thing gets confused by a fertile octogenarian (I'm not making any of this up). Needles to say, the Rule Against Perpetuities question is the one on the bar exam everyone skips because they know they are going to get it wrong anyway. In simpler terms, perpetuity, which means always, doesn't always mean forever (I know - laws are terrible when not clear). There are many ways to break a restriction, even one deeming itself in perpetuity. It has to be legal in the first place. I could put in the deed of my house that it shall never be owned by a Democrat, and if it is, it reverts back to me. Unfortunately, being a Democrat is still legal ;-) Seriously, you can imagine there used to be color restrictions in deeds that are certainly not legal today. You can also attack one that is vague or overbroad. Remember too that the original restriction is nothing more than a contract between a buyer and seller. Whether it is intended to control subsequent purchasers is always an issue. If there is no one interested in enforcing the restriction with the authority of the original seller, it likely just goes away. That is why conservation easements usually appoint a 3rd party non- profit to oversee the easement, so someone is always present to enforce it. Also, restrictions become weaker when you try to enforce them against a government. Regarding Asbury Park's Beachfront, the matter was already litigated in 1989 when they vacated part of Ocean Avenue. The Appellate Division found that the City was not bound by any covenant to hold the beachfront open for public use. Note too in 1988 the Trustee of Bradley's Estate released all claims regarding violations, reverters, etc, to the City. That was noted in the Court's decision. The Bradley heirs no longer have a claim to enforce anything to the beachfront. (Note: The court stated that the $100,000.00 paid to Bradley was likely market value in 1903, however that seems to be dicta and not actually a finding of the Court). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a previous post, Werner wrote: Having a Bar, owned by the 'Master Developer', associated with a patron getting beaten to death is not something Asbury Park should take lightly. Werner, as historian, you would know better than most: is it true that when James Bradley sold his boardwalk property to the city (for one-tenth of what it was then assessed at)in 1903 that one reason the city got it so cheaply ($100,000, I think) was a restriction or covenant in perpetuity that Mr. Bradley, the original Master Developer put on the sale? Did his restriction say that no regular liquor license would go to any establishment east of Ocean Avenue? (The license used for years by Hojo's was some sort of catering or special event license, I've heard.) Seems ironic that the first liquor license which blatantly violated that Bradley restriction would go to the Master Developer who reversed the process (private to public, and now back to private)almost exactly 100 years later. And the legal minds on this board might also answer the question: were the original restrictions or covenants legally binding 100 years ago or now? Would a Bradley decendant actually have any say in the matter? And by the way, how long is perpetuity nowadays? Just until you reach room temperature is my guess. Frank D'Alessandro Many brave hearts are asleep in The Deep so beware, b-e-e-e-ware. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from
[AsburyPark] Re: The Ghost of Mr. Bradley strikes again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also attack one that is vague or overbroad. Remember too that the original restriction is nothing more than a contract between a buyer and seller. Whether it is intended to control subsequent purchasers is always an issue. If there is no one interested in enforcing the restriction with the authority of the original seller, it likely just goes away. Notwithstanding what you cite, the covenant has to be specified to run with the land. However, you would be surprised what in fact has been deemed to be binding after many, many years. Note too in 1988 the Trustee of Bradley's Estate released all claims regarding violations, reverters, etc, to the City. That was noted in the Court's decision. Yeah, I hear some local attorney has power of attorney for agroup of them and signs things away over the years williynilly. Sounds Fishy to me. The Bradley heirs no longer have a claim to enforce anything to the beachfront. You might be surprised to hear that some are looking into that issue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Ghost of Mr. Bradley strikes again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also attack one that is vague or overbroad. Remember too that the original restriction is nothing more than a contract between a buyer and seller. Whether it is intended to control subsequent purchasers is always an issue. If there is no one interested in enforcing the restriction with the authority of the original seller, it likely just goes away. Notwithstanding what you cite, the covenant has to be specified to run with the land. However, you would be surprised what in fact has been deemed to be binding after many, many years. Note too in 1988 the Trustee of Bradley's Estate released all claims regarding violations, reverters, etc, to the City. That was noted in the Court's decision. Yeah, I hear some local attorney has power of attorney for agroup of them and signs things away over the years williynilly. Sounds Fishy to me. The Bradley heirs no longer have a claim to enforce anything to the beachfront. You might be surprised to hear that some are looking into that issue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] deed restrictions
COPYRIGHT 2006 Fort Worth Star-Telegram Byline: Max B. Baker Jun. 3--FORT WORTH -- State District Court Judge Don Cosby this week lifted several century-old deed restrictions on land near the bustling Cultural District, among them one that banned any of the current property owners from selling alcohol. Acme Brick, JaGee Properties and several other landowners along West Seventh Street and University Drive sued the heirs of the stockholders of K.M. Van Zandt Land Co., which was started by one of city's pioneer families. The landowners argued that efforts to revitalize the stretch were being held back by antiquated deed covenants. Cosby signed a final order lifting the deed restrictions Tuesday, clearing the way for Acme Brick, which owns 12 acres along West Seventh Street, and JaGee properties, which plans a 10-acre mixed-use urban village in the Cultural District, to either redevelop or sell their properties with a clear title. In talking to folks who are interested in buying our property on West Seventh Street, we wanted to make sure the title is clean, said Dennis Knautz, Acme Brick's chief operating officer. The company has its headquarters on the site but plans to move to southwest Fort Worth. Kimco Montgomery Plaza, the Dallas-based group redeveloping the former Montgomery Ward property, reached an out-of- court settlement with the more than 100 heirs in April, agreeing to pay $222,000 to remove the deed covenants. The Montgomery Ward building includes tenants that wanted to sell alcohol. Deed restrictions dictate how property can be used. They are often transferred with the land when it is sold. Although such covenants are routinely overturned, they remain in force unless the new buyer goes to the trouble, and the expense, removing them. For example, one of the deed restrictions in this case dictated that if there was a violation, the land reverted back to the original owners. But in arguing that the deed restrictions should be tossed out, Acme and others argued that the original owners, and their legal representatives, no longer exist. The Van Zandt land company was dissolved in 1947. They noted that from 1945 to 1991 at least 17 separate judgments had been issued by local courts invalidating the restrictions on other Van Zandt deeds. Nick Acuff, the attorney appointed by the court to represent any of the Van Zandt land company's unknown heirs, said that he will appeal Cosby's ruling but that several of his clients are talking about settling with Acme, JaGee and the other landowners involved in the lawsuit: the MPA Foundation, Garview Partners, Nona Inc., Spokane Ventures, Whitehead Equities and Will Ed Wadley. Max B. Baker, (817) 390- 7714 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright (c) 2006, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Texas Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
