[AsburyPark] Re: My thoughts on saving the Stone Pony

2007-11-01 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would love to see that as well... the reason I am providing this 
 solution is because it is the best way to preserve the Stone Pony. If 
 they put a HOF in the Casino, you can bet they'll place a Stone 
 Pony nightclub in there as well.
 
==

Back to the drawing board - do not sacrifice the Casino in a quest for
a HOF. This needs to be a holistic exercise not a myopic one.

The Casino was designed to be a multi-purpose recreation and
entertainment facility.

That is a need Asbury park still has today.

Restore the Casino, including its use and keep the Pony/HOF/Expanded
Pony where it belongs - on Ocean and Second.

Werner



 
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[AsburyPark] Remodeling Asbury Park

2007-11-01 Thread wernerapnj
Just a reminder that I have advocated against Remodeling Asbury Park
for years. Two goals in mind - to create  economic success and to
preserve history for future generations.

The current thinking completely conflicts with those goals...

- Focus on a year-round residential beachfront
- Choking down the wide streets and altering traffic patterns
- Demolition of the Palace, Albion, Jersey et. al, etc
- Lack of sufficient parking for beachfront activities
- Ferris wheels/waterslides, etc on green acres view corridors
- Loss of Wonder Bar, Fast Lane, Baronet, etc
- you get the pattern... ???

Unless the basic mind-set and direction of the pattern changes either
by a rezoning of wholesale recrafting of the WRP, Asbury park will
be.history..

Keep the course and the City will never rise to it's potential.

Any word on the secret global settlement ???

Werner




 
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[AsburyPark] Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision

2007-11-01 Thread Jack Pitzer
Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision
Affordable housing percentage debated

Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/1/07

BY NANCY SHIELDS
COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU

ASBURY PARK — As the plan to rebuild Springwood Avenue nears final approval at 
year's 
end, City Council members will have to decide one of the plan's burning issues 
— is 20 
percent affordable housing the right percentage for new housing units built 
along the 
avenue?




The question came up again this week when city Planning Board members discussed 
their 
own recommendations for the plan for the historic but blighted corridor, which 
they said 
they'll make official in coming weeks and send on for consideration by the 
council.

The plan now under review calls for a variety of housing, stores, offices, park 
land and 
entertainment venues along a seven- to eight-block stretch and states that at 
least 20 
percent of the new residential units be sold or rented at levels affordable to 
low- and 
moderate-income households.

The plan also states that, while it is mandating a 20 percent affordable 
housing set-aside, 
a greater percentage of affordable units in each redevelopment project are 
preferred.

But the city planners decided to recommend that 20 percent be the maximum 
percentage 
of affordable housing, saying there are more than 300 units of public housing 
in the 
immediate area, and hundreds more elsewhere in town.

That countered what some residents and community leaders are fighting for — up 
to 40 
percent affordable housing along the new Springwood corridor — to give greater 
housing 
opportunities to poor residents.

Planning Board member Vernice McGriff, a former city Housing Authority 
commissioner, 
led a charge against making low-income housing a significant part of the 
affordable 
housing requirement at the board's planning workshop Monday night.

I want affordable, but upscale affordable, McGriff said. I don't want 
Springwood Avenue 
to stick out. . . . We need to clean that up, we need to show a different look.

At one point, board chairman Dan DiBenedetto said a 20 percent mandatory 
set-aside was 
too high, but he agreed to language to have it not exceed 20 percent.

I wouldn't advocate more than 20 percent, said Fred Heyer, the board's 
planner.

That does conflict with everything we heard at public sessions, said Donald 
Sammet, the 
city's director of planning and redevelopment, who drafted the redevelopment 
plan.

Trina Scordo, one of the 17 members of the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee 
and 
chairwoman of the Progressive Action Subcommittee on Springwood Avenue, was one 
of 
those asking for a higher percentage of affordable housing in a recent letter 
to the media.

Scordo urged the City Council to define low-income housing based on the median 
income of Asbury Park's working poor, not the skewed median income of the 
entire city.

Further, we support an increase in the percentage of affordable and low-income 
housing 
to 40 percent rather than the at least 20 percent' in the current plan, 
Scordo said.

She said that while the current draft plan is an improvement over the original 
plan two 
years ago, it is not yet a community-building document, which she said would 
show 
measurable benefits in low-income housing, jobs for local residents, and plans 
for a 
community center and recreation developed by local residents.

Many of these items are being left to the redeveloper agreement, as opposed to 
working 
with Springwood Avenue-area residents to develop a community-benefit 
agreement, 
Scordo said.

On another aspect of the plan, the city planners are expected to recommend some 
houses 
to be allowed along Springwood on the most western commercial blocks leading to 
the 
Neptune boundary.

The plan now calls for those blocks to have a mix of first-story businesses to 
serve the 
surrounding residential communities and upper-story residences that will 
provide a 
continuous stream of activity in the zone, both during the day and evening 
hours.

Planning Board member David Parreott Jr., who lives in one of the city's 
historic homes just 
off Springwood, reminded the planners of the need for services such as a 
Laundromat and 
mom and pop stores.

Other board members said they favored allowing houses to be built along 
Springwood in 
that zone.

Some board members also suggested having the apartments above the businesses be 
owner-occupied condominiums, but City Councilman John Loffredo, who sits on the 
board, and DiBenedetto said rentals should be allowed as stated in the current 
plan.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Remodeling Asbury Park

2007-11-01 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There's still alot of condos to sell before you see another hole dug. 

Build the HOF first. Design it and fit the building so it can 
accomodate the future residential development which will go next to it 
and possibly on top of some portions of it.  Who knows, maybe by that 
point the developers will realize that theyre not going to sell 3200 
condos and they can do something creative with the rest of the site at 
that point.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Clear Channel Bruce Springsteen's Latest

2007-11-01 Thread Mike Hemeon
In my opinion it is probably true. Clear Channel made
much of it's revenue on concerts that they helped
promote.   

In fact that guy that married Lisa Minelli, Geffen I
think is his name is, actually was the concert
promoter.

 The Bruceman probably didn't want to share with them




--- Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Sources claim that Clear Channel has sent an edict
 to its classic rock
 stations not to play tracks from Magic. But it's
 OK to play old
 Springsteen tracks such as Dancing in the Dark,
 Born to Run and
 Born in the USA.
 
 From:  Click here: Radio Boycotts Bruce
 Springsteen's Latest -
 Entertainment on The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/30/radio-boycotts-bruce-spri_n_70\
 369.html
 Another take:Click here: Ageism?: Clear Channel
 More Interested In
 Playing Old Music Than Music By Old People

http://idolator.com/tunes/ageism%3F/clear-channel-more-interested-in-pl\
 aying-old-music-than-music-by-old-people-316765.php
  
   Related:  
 Plaintiffs from 23
 different regions across the United States who
 purchased tickets to live
 rock concerts from Clear Channel or one of its
 subsidiaries filed class
 action suits. Plaintiffs attended live rock concerts
 promoted by
 Defendants such as Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Eric
 Clapton, Billy Joel,
 Elvis Costello and The Who.   Click here: Clear
 Channel Must Face the
 Music as Judge Certifies Class Action for
 Concert-Goers

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQTU29123102007\
 -1.htm 
 


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[AsburyPark] Re: Remodeling Asbury Park

2007-11-01 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Forget condos in arcman's plan. What should be put there are 
 apartments for year round people who want to be in AP. keep the 
 stuidos to a min. 1 and 2 bedroom in a cool building with realistic 
 prices for rents for the area. In this case, realistic, from my 
 vantage point and what would go is $1500 1 bed to $2200 for 2 bed to 
 $3k+ for a 3 bed. 


Try telling that to the developers.  The reason I said condos in my 
plan is because I was trying to come up with a solution to saving the 
Stone Pony that keeps the developers happy, because lets face it... if 
they are not pleased then they are not going to move along with a 
project. The developers need to see that there is a solution to 
building up that block that involves the Stone Pony staying there. And 
if a concept to save it (and meet there demands at the same time) is in 
the public eye, then they have little or no excuse as to moving it.

Apartments, condos, artist lofts, etc... there are plenty of 
possibilities for building on this site.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision

2007-11-01 Thread Allan Peterson
Sounds wonderful as long as you can find a developer interested in this 
project.  This plan will not do much good if it only sits on paper.  It is not 
like there is such a demand for homes in this city.  Maybe a plan should be 
created that reflects the conditions of today.  Move the Muni complex / Police 
/ Fire to then clean up Main Street.  


- Original Message 
From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:22:34 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision

Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision
Affordable housing percentage debated

Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/1/07

BY NANCY SHIELDS
COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU

ASBURY PARK — As the plan to rebuild Springwood Avenue nears final approval at 
year's 
end, City Council members will have to decide one of the plan's burning issues 
— is 20 
percent affordable housing the right percentage for new housing units built 
along the 
avenue?

The question came up again this week when city Planning Board members discussed 
their 
own recommendations for the plan for the historic but blighted corridor, which 
they said 
they'll make official in coming weeks and send on for consideration by the 
council.

The plan now under review calls for a variety of housing, stores, offices, park 
land and 
entertainment venues along a seven- to eight-block stretch and states that at 
least 20 
percent of the new residential units be sold or rented at levels affordable to 
low- and 
moderate-income households.

The plan also states that, while it is mandating a 20 percent affordable 
housing set-aside, 
a greater percentage of affordable units in each redevelopment project are 
preferred.

But the city planners decided to recommend that 20 percent be the maximum 
percentage 
of affordable housing, saying there are more than 300 units of public housing 
in the 
immediate area, and hundreds more elsewhere in town.

That countered what some residents and community leaders are fighting for — up 
to 40 
percent affordable housing along the new Springwood corridor — to give greater 
housing 
opportunities to poor residents.

Planning Board member Vernice McGriff, a former city Housing Authority 
commissioner, 
led a charge against making low-income housing a significant part of the 
affordable 
housing requirement at the board's planning workshop Monday night.

I want affordable, but upscale affordable, McGriff said. I don't want 
Springwood Avenue 
to stick out. . . . We need to clean that up, we need to show a different look.

At one point, board chairman Dan DiBenedetto said a 20 percent mandatory 
set-aside was 
too high, but he agreed to language to have it not exceed 20 percent.

I wouldn't advocate more than 20 percent, said Fred Heyer, the board's 
planner.

That does conflict with everything we heard at public sessions, said Donald 
Sammet, the 
city's director of planning and redevelopment, who drafted the redevelopment 
plan.

Trina Scordo, one of the 17 members of the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee 
and 
chairwoman of the Progressive Action Subcommittee on Springwood Avenue, was one 
of 
those asking for a higher percentage of affordable housing in a recent letter 
to the media.

Scordo urged the City Council to define low-income housing based on the median 
income of Asbury Park's working poor, not the skewed median income of the 
entire city.

Further, we support an increase in the percentage of affordable and low-income 
housing 
to 40 percent rather than the at least 20 percent' in the current plan, 
Scordo said.

She said that while the current draft plan is an improvement over the original 
plan two 
years ago, it is not yet a community-building document, which she said would 
show 
measurable benefits in low-income housing, jobs for local residents, and plans 
for a 
community center and recreation developed by local residents.

Many of these items are being left to the redeveloper agreement, as opposed to 
working 
with Springwood Avenue-area residents to develop a community-benefit 
agreement, 
Scordo said.

On another aspect of the plan, the city planners are expected to recommend some 
houses 
to be allowed along Springwood on the most western commercial blocks leading to 
the 
Neptune boundary.

The plan now calls for those blocks to have a mix of first-story businesses to 
serve the 
surrounding residential communities and upper-story residences that will 
provide a 
continuous stream of activity in the zone, both during the day and evening 
hours.

Planning Board member David Parreott Jr., who lives in one of the city's 
historic homes just 
off Springwood, reminded the planners of the need for services such as a 
Laundromat and 
mom and pop stores.

Other board members said they favored allowing houses to be built along 
Springwood in 
that zone.

Some board members also suggested having the apartments above the businesses be 

[AsburyPark] Re: The Inside Clamdigger: More magnanimous behavior

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
It's one of the dirty little secrets, some Republicans employ, to
throw someone off their path!  The very name Rastaman infers a
person of color, instead of the despot, he REALLY is!  The colonials,
employed this at the Boston Tea Party, when they dressed as Indians,
to hide, their identity!  I'll probably get some
flak/blowback/whatever, from those who don't see through this
ploy/trick-on-words, to confuse, etc., but by now, a savvy reader
would see right through this string, of dirty tricks, the Repugs
have always used, against their perceived enemies.  Think Nixon and
you get the picture!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 More magnanimous behavior: Inzerillo defends Freeholder Little in
 Rastaman controversy 

http://politicsnj.com/inzerillo-defends-freeholder-little-rastaman-cont\
 roversy-13474
 Lenny Inzerillo, the Democratic candidate for the 13th District, has
 posted a press release on PoliticsNJ.com. Personally, I think Lenny has
 a lot of class stepping up for Freeholder Little and her family,
 especially given the fact that she is not even in his political party.
 
 I think that Rastaman has done a lot of damage to people and he as
 well those responsible for his political career should really take stock
 in themselves (just on a human being level), given the fact that
 innocent families, and even children, were attacked over politics in the
 name of the people Alan Moretti (who is at least one of the Rastamen)
 supported.
 
 What kind of person accepts support from someone like this? What kind of
 person wants to be identified with this? I keep hearing about how this
 guy was a Christian and such, and yet that ethos had no problem
 translating into venomous attacks against innocent people...not to
 mention the outright assassination of peoples' characters that he did.
 
 Thank you, Mr. Inzerillo, for weighing in on this Rastaman.
 
 Click on the headline and go there.original post by by JIM PURCELL 
 10/30/07 Click here: The Inside Clamdigger: Inzerillo defends
 Freeholder Little in Rastaman controversy

http://theinsideclamdigger.blogspot.com/2007/10/inzerillo-defends-freeh\
 older-little-in.html





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury fleshing out details of Springwood Ave. vision

2007-11-01 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Sounds wonderful as long as you can find a developer interested in 
this project.  

Not only do you have to find a developer who would want a return, you 
have to find businesses that want a certain type/size space. You need 
to provide for a doctors office(s), convience store etc - because 
railroad plaza may bet taken.

Whose going to finance it, waht kind of tax incentives are going to 
be offered etc.

AND, if you sell it as condos, you have to be sure it doesn't become 
investor owned. Apartments - clean nice size and priced right.

I have an approved project for 3 townhomes on Dewitt. Priced right 
today as it's part of a bankruptcy case. Who wants to be a hero and 
build it? Let me know. All it takes in an offer. To drop them on the 
property and site work will probably run $500k for 3 units. That's 
without the land. Again its bankruptcy for the land. So say you're in 
for $700k for 3 units. That's $233,000 unit without a profit.

The plan is great. To define affordable and set a number on it, you 
have to figure out the total cost to engineer, design, build and go 
through the legal manuevers or approvals. And buy the land.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Clear Channel Bruce Springsteen's Latest

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
See what I mean?  How can media be free, when the owners DICTATE,
what will, or will NOT be aired?  Who OWNS the media?  WE don't! 
Clear Channel should be reported and sanctioned/fined/license
suspended or revoked!  This is how the communists control their media!
 I thought that we had a democracy!  Call me a liberal, but I believe
in FREE speech and airwaves that aren't TAINTED with ones' OWN
political leanings!  Bruce is an American with free will and free
speech!  This is a violation of free and unhampered speech!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Sources claim that Clear Channel has sent an edict to its classic rock
 stations not to play tracks from Magic. But it's OK to play old
 Springsteen tracks such as Dancing in the Dark, Born to Run and
 Born in the USA.
 
 From:  Click here: Radio Boycotts Bruce Springsteen's Latest -
 Entertainment on The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/30/radio-boycotts-bruce-spri_n_70\
 369.html
 Another take:Click here: Ageism?: Clear Channel More Interested In
 Playing Old Music Than Music By Old People

http://idolator.com/tunes/ageism%3F/clear-channel-more-interested-in-pl\
 aying-old-music-than-music-by-old-people-316765.php  
   Related:   Plaintiffs from 23
 different regions across the United States who purchased tickets to live
 rock concerts from Clear Channel or one of its subsidiaries filed class
 action suits. Plaintiffs attended live rock concerts promoted by
 Defendants such as Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton, Billy Joel,
 Elvis Costello and The Who.   Click here: Clear Channel Must Face the
 Music as Judge Certifies Class Action for Concert-Goers

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQTU29123102007\
 -1.htm





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: All the Venom in the State spewed in Monmouth County???

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
As he departed with his winnings, toungue in cheek
Priceless!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
 I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on
  in here! Captain Renault
 
 
 Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
 Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
 [aloud]
 Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Inside Clamdigger: More magnanimous behavior

2007-11-01 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/1/2007 10:28:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  sharon_b283
@yahoo.com writes:

The  very name Rastaman infers a person of color, 
I got that part early on.

The  colonials, employed this at the Boston Tea Party, when they dressed as 
 Indians, to hide, their identity!
But I didn't make that connection till now.  Maybe a not-so-hallowed  
tradition, eh?

I'll  probably get some flak/blowback/I'll  

Somehow I  think you're inoculated against all that.
 
And it's Hallowmas, to boot.  You're safe.



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: All the Venom in the State spewed in Monmouth County???

2007-11-01 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 11/1/2007 10:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As he  departed with his winnings, toungue in  cheek
Priceless!

Overheard in cloakrooms around the  world,
 
He may be a crook, but he's my  crook.
 
And so it goes


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
 I'm shocked,  shocked to find that gambling is going on
  in here! Captain  Renault
 
 
 Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
  Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
 [aloud]
  Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!




Cordiali  saluti,

Mario



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[AsburyPark] Re: The Inside Clamdigger: More magnanimous behavior

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
The Northern Monmouth's version, of the Coaster, huh?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 More magnanimous behavior: Inzerillo defends Freeholder Little in
 Rastaman controversy 

http://politicsnj.com/inzerillo-defends-freeholder-little-rastaman-cont\
 roversy-13474
 Lenny Inzerillo, the Democratic candidate for the 13th District, has
 posted a press release on PoliticsNJ.com. Personally, I think Lenny has
 a lot of class stepping up for Freeholder Little and her family,
 especially given the fact that she is not even in his political party.
 
 I think that Rastaman has done a lot of damage to people and he as
 well those responsible for his political career should really take stock
 in themselves (just on a human being level), given the fact that
 innocent families, and even children, were attacked over politics in the
 name of the people Alan Moretti (who is at least one of the Rastamen)
 supported.
 
 What kind of person accepts support from someone like this? What kind of
 person wants to be identified with this? I keep hearing about how this
 guy was a Christian and such, and yet that ethos had no problem
 translating into venomous attacks against innocent people...not to
 mention the outright assassination of peoples' characters that he did.
 
 Thank you, Mr. Inzerillo, for weighing in on this Rastaman.
 
 Click on the headline and go there.original post by by JIM PURCELL 
 10/30/07 Click here: The Inside Clamdigger: Inzerillo defends
 Freeholder Little in Rastaman controversy

http://theinsideclamdigger.blogspot.com/2007/10/inzerillo-defends-freeh\
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Clear Channel Bruce Springsteen's Latest

2007-11-01 Thread Jersey Shore John

More than half of Americans surveyed said it should be illegal for a

company to own both a newspaper and a television station in the

same market, a coalition of consumer and telecommunications

advocacy groups said on Wednesday.

http://tinyurl.com/37k8cn

On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:35 AM, 2fine4u wrote:


See what I mean? How can media be free, when the owners DICTATE,
what will, or will NOT be aired? Who OWNS the media? WE don't!
Clear Channel should be reported and sanctioned/fined/license
suspended or revoked! This is how the communists control their media!
I thought that we had a democracy! Call me a liberal, but I believe
in FREE speech and airwaves that aren't TAINTED with ones' OWN
political leanings! Bruce is an American with free will and free
speech! This is a violation of free and unhampered speech!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Sources claim that Clear Channel has sent an edict to its classic  
rock

 stations not to play tracks from Magic. But it's OK to play old
 Springsteen tracks such as Dancing in the Dark, Born to Run and
 Born in the USA.

 From: Click here: Radio Boycotts Bruce Springsteen's Latest -
 Entertainment on The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/30/radio-boycotts-bruce- 
spri_n_70\

 369.html
 Another take: Click here: Ageism?: Clear Channel More Interested In
 Playing Old Music Than Music By Old People

http://idolator.com/tunes/ageism%3F/clear-channel-more-interested- 
in-pl\

 aying-old-music-than-music-by-old-people-316765.php
  Related: Plaintiffs from 23
 different regions across the United States who purchased tickets  
to live
 rock concerts from Clear Channel or one of its subsidiaries filed  
class

 action suits. Plaintiffs attended live rock concerts promoted by
 Defendants such as Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton,  
Billy Joel,

 Elvis Costello and The Who. Click here: Clear Channel Must Face the
 Music as Judge Certifies Class Action for Concert-Goers

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/ 
AQTU29123102007\

 -1.htm








[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers

2007-11-01 Thread evosap
Oh god I love that man.  I remember watching him some time ago and I
started to realize that he was lecturing.  not just being funny,
though he always is.  he was calling us on our bullshit.  yeah
preaching never works.  i worked in a vegan organic restaurant for
years and there IS such a thing as vegetarian fascists.  but we could
use need a little more awareness.  i think there is an inverse
relationship between happiness and excessive consumption.  people
really think labels get them something.

I was having an incredibly delicious eggplant parm pizza at mattison
park over the summer and this chick stepped up to the bar, put her
purse on it, and announced to my friend and i that it was Prada.   we
hadn't asked, or even mentioned the purse.  That to me is dis - ease.
 the weird thing is that has happened to me before, the other time on
Block Island with a Prada shoe.  a chick took off her shoe, put it on
the bar and announce Prada.  Shit like that...or I should say my
response to shit like that has given me a wicked wrinkle between my
eyes.  as my nephew would say what tha..?  

i don't know what the best way is to tell people that they are
poisoning their children's environment by using the detergent they do,
or wacking out their endocrine system with the lotion they use..but
it's true.  cheers!



 
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[AsburyPark] Celebrate Fantasies on Parade at First Saturday Asbury Park

2007-11-01 Thread Michael W. Brim
Celebrate Fantasies on Parade at First Saturday Asbury Park

 

The Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce celebrates First Saturday Asbury Park, with 
the theme Fantasies on Parade,scheduled for Saturday, November 3, from 5:00pm 
to 10:00pm.  Enjoy a festive atmosphere filled with participating restaurants 
offering Spanish menu specials, trendy shopping, and live entertainment in the 
downtown district of Cookman, Mattison, Bangs, and Lake Avenues and Main 
Street.  

 I am really excited about this First Saturday because it celebrates some of 
the creative and cultural elements of Asbury Park's diverse community that we 
have not represented before, said Marilyn Schlossbach, owner, Market in the 
Middle.

  A Fantasy Parade will flaunt fabulous costumes and feature Spanish music 
beginning at 5:00pm at the Arcade on the south end of the boardwalk and end at 
Kennedy Park with an award ceremony to recognize the best in show with prizes 
donated by Asbury Galleria, Brielle Cyclery, Crybaby Art Gallery, Empress 
Hotel, Esphera, Fe Ni, Fitness Lifestyles, Flying Saucers, Hot Sand, Laila's 
Latin Infused, M Studio, Madison Marquette, Market in the Middle, Mattison 
Park, Mike's Beach House, Moonstruck, Organic Style, Restaurant Plan B, Robert 
Legere Home, Salt Water Beach Cafe, Taka Restaurant, Under the Sun Home 
Furnishings, Wish You Were Here, America's Cup. Brickwall Tavern, Carmine's, 
DL Restaurant, Motif, Moxie, Posillipo's, Synaxis and Trillium Antiques. A 
festive trolley decorated by Cry Baby Art Gallery, will be touring the town and 
the Bangs Avenue parking garage will be open to the public.  

 A Fantasy Fur Pet Parade, led by the Asbury Park Mounted Police Unit, will 
benefit the Monmouth County SPCA and begin at 5:00pm at Paradise and end at 
Kennedy Park.  The stars of the show will be awarded blue ribbons in the 
following categories: best dancer; highest jumper, softest fur; best groomed; 
biggest nose; longest tail; best behaved; best trick; best owner look alike; 
biggest dog; biggest cat; smallest dog; oldest dog; youngest dog; most 
friendly; most colorful; most bling; most spots; best smile; and best dressed.  
The top paws of the show will receive gift baskets donated by Asbury Bark and 
Yellow Roof Pet Care.  

 To register for the Fantasies on Parade or the Fantasy Fur Pet Parade or for 
more information on First Saturday Asbury Park please call 732-775-7676 or 
visit www.asburyparkchamber.com.  Mark your calendar for the next First 
Saturday Asbury Park event on December 1st for the Festival of Lights 
sponsored by JCPL. 


Michael W. Brim
321 Sunset Ave. 5F
Asbury Park NJ 07712
Cell: 732-996-8160

 
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[AsburyPark] Big Drug Bust

2007-11-01 Thread dfsavgny
I'll upload the arrest doc to the files section. Long list.
Surprisingly, no one from AP.

BREAKING NEWS: 47 arrests in major Monmouth County drug bust
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/1/07

BY MICHELLE SAHN
Story Chat Post Comment

County, federal,state and local law enforcement arrested 47 people,
seized more than $1 million worth of cocaine and heroin, and
dismantled a ring that was supplying the drugs to the Monmouth County
area, authorities said.

The investigation, Operation Honeycomb, was conducted by the Monmouth
County Prosecutor's Office Narcotics Strike Force and Gang
Investigations Unit; the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, New
Jersey Division; New Jersey State Police; the Middlesex County
Prosecutor's Office; and Long Branch, Red Bank, Marlboro, Howell,
Keansburg, Neptune and Asbury Park police departments.

The investigation began the Fall of 2006, when an undercover officer
purchased large quantities of cocaine from someone within the
organization, authorities said.

That led to the arrest of 47 people in connection with the multi-state
narcotics network, that included suppliers working in California,
Florida and New York, authorities said.

During the investigation, police seized a total of approximately 32
pounds of cocaine, more than 6 1/2 pounds of heroin, four
semi-automatic handguns, two bullet proof vests, and approximately
$95,000 in cash, according to a news release from the Monmouth County
Prosecutor's Office.

Operation Honeycomb is a great example of cooperation among all law
enforcement agencies, particularly the Monmouth County Prosecutor's
Office, which took a street level buy a year ago, to the dismantling
of an organization that was responsible for transporting and
distributing multiple kilograms of cocaine and heroin from California,
Florida, and New York,'' Gerard P. McAleer, Special Agent in Charge of
the Drug Enforcement Administration New Jersey Division said in the
news release.

Monmouth County Prosecutor Luis A. Valentin also praised the
cooperative efforts of the various law enforcement agencies involving
in the year-long investigation.

This operation is a classic example of how successful partnerships
with federal, state and local law enforcement can benefit our
community,'' Valentin said in the news release. Operation Honeycomb
successfully identified and arrested the local and national drug
distributors and eliminated multiple sources of narcotics destined for
the streets of Monmouth County.''

Police are still searching for a Perth Amboy man, Edward A. Santana,
30, whom authorities say is a key member of this narcotic distribution
network. He is wanted on a charge of conspiracy to distribute cocaine.

Santana is described as a Hispanic male, who is about 6 feet tall and
weighs between 160 and 180 pounds. His last known address is 743
Parker Street in Perth Amboy. Anyone with information about Santana's
whereabouts is asked to call Detective Todd Rue of the Monmouth County
Prosecutor's Office at 1- 800-533-7443.




 
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[AsburyPark] New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2007-11-01 Thread AsburyPark

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[AsburyPark] MARY JUDY FALLON'S GARAGE SALE

2007-11-01 Thread jtjerze
GET IT WHILE SHE'S HOT - MARY'S HAVING A GARAGE SALE THIS SATURDAY FROM 
10 TO 2 PM.  THATS THIS SATURDAY THE 3RD FROM 10 TO 2 AT 223 FIRST AVE 
(CORNER OF 1ST AND BERGH)  EVERYTHING MUST GO -HOUSE HAS BEEN SOLD - 
FURNITURE,DISHES AND RESTAURANT EQUIPMENT


JESSICA 605 LANGFORD



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Coffee-Mug-Wielding Bruce Fan Attacks Clear Channel

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
The link didn't work for me, but I found everything else and signed up
for the Buzz!  Thanks, I would've loved to see that!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 _Coffee-Mug-Wielding Blogger Attacks Radio Station for Lack of 
Springsteen_ 

(http://www.phillymag.com/blogs/philly/2007/10/31/coffee-mug-wielding-blogger-a
 ttacks-radio-station-for-lack-of-springsteen/) 
  
  
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Inside Clamdigger: More magnanimous behavior

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
Mario,
I giggled at the last line you wrote!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/1/2007 10:28:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
sharon_b283
 @yahoo.com writes:
 
 I'll  probably get some flak/blowback/  
 
== Somehow I  think you're inoculated against all that. ==
  
 And it's Hallowmas, to boot.  You're safe.
 




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
Did he ever age or what?  I should talk!  I can play ME back from gray
to Black hair too!  Amazing, what I saw on the link provided...Food
for thought and reflection.  I never saw myself as old, until I look
at my military ID!  I have a thin me with jet black hair and a fat
me with silver hair!  I need a makeover!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/1/2007 1:45:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only Americans and some other westerners
 could need this much storage. and joke about it.
 Some critics call it Affluenza.   I prefer those like Carlin who use
 humor rather than those who preach about it.
 If he had to choose one routine that he's most proud of, it's A Place
 for My Stuff, his riff on our materialistic need to accumulate.
 (That's what your house is, a place to keep your stuff while you go out
 and get … more stuff!)
 It had such universal reach, he says. Everyone who heard it could
 identify strongly with it. And don't think that the founder of The
 Container Store wasn't listening.   http://tinyurl.com/2qcvek
 http://tinyurl.com/2qcvek  Despite the numerous container industries,
 there are now millions of web sites offering advice on how to unclutter
 one's life.   And so it goes.   Can't find Carlin's 2005 update, but
 the hallowed old routine still gives one pause. Click here: George
 Carlin - Stuff
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8896213084482448693   (video)
 Click here: Funny Stories and Jokes
 http://www.writers-free-reference.com/funny/story085.htm   (text)





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers

2007-11-01 Thread 2fine4u
My thoughts, exactly!  Great post!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh god I love that man.  I remember watching him some time ago and I
 started to realize that he was lecturing.  not just being funny,
 though he always is.  he was calling us on our bullshit.  yeah
 preaching never works.  i worked in a vegan organic restaurant for
 years and there IS such a thing as vegetarian fascists.  but we could
 use need a little more awareness.  i think there is an inverse
 relationship between happiness and excessive consumption.  people
 really think labels get them something.
 
 I was having an incredibly delicious eggplant parm pizza at mattison
 park over the summer and this chick stepped up to the bar, put her
 purse on it, and announced to my friend and i that it was Prada.   we
 hadn't asked, or even mentioned the purse.  That to me is dis - ease.
  the weird thing is that has happened to me before, the other time on
 Block Island with a Prada shoe.  a chick took off her shoe, put it on
 the bar and announce Prada.  Shit like that...or I should say my
 response to shit like that has given me a wicked wrinkle between my
 eyes.  as my nephew would say what tha..?  
 
 i don't know what the best way is to tell people that they are
 poisoning their children's environment by using the detergent they do,
 or wacking out their endocrine system with the lotion they use..but
 it's true.  cheers!





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Big Drug Bust

2007-11-01 Thread oakdorf
-but here you go. Ocean Twp police got 2 from AP:

OCEAN TOWNSHIP †Police arrested two men after a motor vehicle stop at
the Asbury Park Circle, authorities said.

Around 12:40 p.m. Oct. 26, Officer Bryan Morgan stopped a vehicle
driven by Paul Bacon, 38, of Asbury Park, police said. Bacon failed to
produce identification and gave police a fake name, said Detective
Sgt. Kevin Faller.

Both Bacon and his passenger, Howard S. Thomas, 30, of Asbury Park,
were wanted on outstanding municipal court warrants, police said.

Police said they spotted an open bottle of alcohol in the car, then
found powder, crack cocaine, marijuana and drug paraphernalia in the
vehicle and on the men.

Bacon and Thomas were both charged with possession of cocaine, less
than 50 grams of marijuana, and drug paraphernalia.

Bacon was also charged with hindering apprehension, and was given
summonses for driving with a suspended license and having drugs in a
motor vehicle, Faller said.

Thomas was also given a summons for possession of an open bottle of an
alcoholic beverage, police said.

Police said they also seized $650.50 in cash and the 1989 Chevrolet
Blazer in which the men were traveling.

Officers Mark Powoski and Trevor Dickerson were also involved in the
investigation.



 
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