[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
Finally - someone who understands what Im talking about !! EXPECTATIONS, especially the ones visitors have. Ive done some more reading about this whole thing and now see the whole redevelopment has been off track for YEARS. Im feeling real sympathy for you all, insisting that things are great, everything is fine - just a defense to shield the pain. AP is in serious financial trouble. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very happy with the progress and work that's been done on the boardwalk. That said as a homeowner and taxpayer I do think setting expectations that are wildly missed goes well beyond marketing as the city must plan for the revenues promised per the promises made. Honestly I'd have been just as happy has realistic expectations been set and met vs. setting the expectation that this would all get done by Memorial Day when pretty much everyone knew that was impossible. It's not like they missd it by a month - they're still not done. That has financial impacts for the city that go well beyond the marketing buzz. Again, I'm very pleased with the progress and the pace. But in fairness to the city they should have been realistic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: this is mocking Last report was that you are $13 million in the hole from non-redevelopment. OOps there's that timetable again. Newbee, as I have stated many times, I have witnessed many people enjoying this beautiful little city by the sea over and over and over again. You are obviously disappointed. The people I saw here over the summer bathing, dancing, drinking, eating etc didn't seem disappointed to me. The coming summers will tell us something. It is clear that you think things should be done differently. As much as I loathe marketing ploys, they seem to work. There was a lot of action on the BW this summer. I'll be sure to keep you up to date next summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that if AP wants to attract repeat visitors who spend $$$ it would be better not to misrepresent what to expect. As to evidence, just do some research as I said. The NY Times, The Coaster, The Asbury Park Press, The Star ledger... This boards archives, Online Blogs. Even a member here, dasher (?) said it was a marketing ploy to drum up hype. Well hype with no substance leads to disappointment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: newbee...EVERYONE with opinions likes to be right! You keep mocking the failure of the BW to be finished even though there isn't anything solid that says it was meant to be finished. You are just as attached to being right as anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Up here in North Jersey they take this stuff very seriously - some towns have laws controlling lighting. The NJ Astronomical Association is very active. http://www.njaa.org/light.html From what I remember of my AP visit there are some really intrusive lights around. Should be an easy fix. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Just Waded Through...
Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing) What surprises me is that the budget discussion hasnt taken off. What happened - thats propably the biggest issue. Directly related is the parking fiasco, the unfinished beachfront fiasco, the no condos fiasco, the no deadlines fiasco, the no agreement fiasco... Surely there are important things to talk about ??? I'd really like to know whats going on down there. I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing) I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. HEre's an improvement - Stella Marina opened and Lagosta. Before all this bs, lagosta to me (and tommy) was Martell's arcade, then Bob Asay's shop for building his great boats because the pavillons were falling down (actually crumbling). First ave pav was an arcade, me with dogs/pizza etc (then HV's), Kohrs and Criterion ad bathrooms for the public. The casino was boarded up, the boardwalk caving in the empress a whore house cookman boarded up, CH not a beer nor cosmo in sight more hookers on kingsley then people on the boardwalk and you really had to have balls to drive around first. second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh ave... you had to make sure youhad a spare tire not if, but when you got a flat driving down ocean ave, wipe away the fear tog et out and change the tire. but there was always a good samaritan looking for a coffee at 1am to change it for you,,, Sure the city over the years (not just since Partners or MM) had every huckster and REAL developers come to town only to walk away. They either were shook down so bad, realized that business had to be done a certain way or people had no f'in clue So today you might have what the experienced over the years see - improvement in a certain way that we either like or hate. How much improvement will you see by next summer? List what you'd like to see Let's start simple, like plant grass on all the vacant lots in the redevelopment zone. Nothing fancy. you don't eve have to plant it. Just throw the seeds down. And on the budget - kind of hard to do a budget when you know off the start you have NO (not enough) money coming in and obligations up the rear...maybe the cty should auction off all their archives of old plans that were REAL for Cookman ave, the boardwalk... Maybe go plead to the feds that they need some of that $70 billon in loans for to cover mismangement and everything elseGM, FORD and CHRYSLER should be one - American Motors (recal AMCand the gremlin? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
Sure does! Hope that springs, that is! That whole recent episode on Mary Magdalene, continues to make me question, just what is Catholicism and why the hell am I so confused? My faith is one that I never questioned until REAL life set in. Here, in Asbury Park, there were no less than four Catholic Churches, all within walking distance. I moved to Neptune from So. Belmar, where I was a member of St. Rose's Parish. The other other Catholic Church's were those I read about in the newspaper, the Press, which was in Asbury at the time. I first banked at the old Belmar-Wall Bank, on 19th Ave., which was convenient, but to give myself an excuse to come into Asbury Park, I switched to First Merchants in Press Plaza, next to the Press! I lunched at the little Press Box restaurant, so tiny, you needed a crowbar to extract yourself from the 2 booths in there. I was 6 months pregnant and as big as a house! Asbury Park was cleaning up after the riot that had devastated the place. I imagined Asbury Park to be much bigger than it actually was and natives took me around to show me places that used to be the in places to be, at the time. The cleanup is reminiscent of how long it's taking since Katrina. S-l-ooo-w! 30 plus years and counting! Redevelopment has been one huge mess, mismanaged by every administration, since I arrived here, now some 38 years! How's that? I've learned that when money and politics are involved, you'll get a literal tug of war, with everybody taking credit for the pluses and none for the minuses. I was in my late 20's and now I'm in my 60's! A lifetime! I should be pessimistic, but hope springs eternal! Naive? You bet, but I see this generation acting much faster than mine! I hated politics and politicians, because they gum up everything! I've watched over the years, how politics work and it isn't pretty. It's easy to play the blame game, but I wish, just once that something will come of this one. Dare I hope? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/18/2008 10:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary M wasn't a prostitute. = Are you sure you're Right? Lots of wiggle room remains among the scholars. _CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Mary Magdalen_ (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09761a.htm) == In a message dated 11/18/2008 10:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not going to argue religion with you either. Hope springs eternal. Thanx **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO
OK - Thanks for the backup - I know thats what was advertised and thats what I expected. Why did everyone - including you - tell me I was wrong? I think everyone here just likes to argue instead of addressing real issues. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newbie, Your point is not lost on me. While I did disagree with you once when you said the entire redevelopment was to be finished by now, I don't disagree with your observations about the media statements regarding Memorial Day. I'll tell you who else agrees with you. Gary Mottola of Madison Marquette. When he first came here I interviewed him for the paper. One of his complaints was that Asbury had been hyped beyond its repair, and one poeple came here, they were disappointed and probably would not return. I believe that to be the point you are making. I was surprised too when he started tauting Memorial Day as a finish point for certain projects. Everyone who is local laughed at the annoucement. Asbury Park's wheels of progress never move that fast - too many layers of government. Another mistake was the job fair. My office received calls from people who were promised employment at the job fair, then didn't get them when buildings and the pool weren't done. So, I understand what you are saying. You probably were not the only one to expect a Memorial Day Grand Opening as advertised and were disappointed when it didn't happen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking: Pro and Con ( some Nostalgia)
Mario, If memory serves me right, the only free parking, was at the mauls, as you call them. I've always hated the malls, over downtown, any day. For years, I shopped in Deal, because Pix Shoes, formerly of Main st., here had a store over there and a boutique called the French Connection next door where I bought chic blazers, sweaters and trousers, when I was in my corporate phase of my life. I also shopped in Spring Lake, because they had a discount shoe store there! By now, you should guess I had a foot fetish! I did schlepp up to Woodbridge Center, with the kids to shop at Ohrbach's and Stern's, because THEY were in that I don't want to look like everybody else phase! I hate those kids now, (laughing)! All the hoops they had me jumping through and developing a giant ulcer doing it! The Varsity Jackets, (4), I bought for them, majorette boots for my daughter who was in the band front, from Kislin's in Red Bank and all of the Pop Warner gear I HAD to pay for, Track and Turf shoes from Bob Kislin's in Ocean Twp. I'm shit poor, because of it, but as I've said before, I raised 5 good kids. I spent money like water, back then, but we were in Church every Sunday and Midnight Mass, every Christmas and Easter. Now, I'm a CME Catholic, Christmas, Mother's Day and Easter! I was a big fan of Bamberger's too! Where I got the patience of being a Mother, I'll never know and the pets, the kids just had to have, became MY pets to water, feed and medicate! The Press did a piece on Bobby Braun, former basketball player from 1981. I was at that game in Princeton, with my 5 kids, husband and kids we had with us from Asbury Park, like I had nothing to do! My Darren was a Senior, Glenn was at Stockton and we had advanced tickets. People still talk about those days 27 years ago, about a team that was supposed to lose, won 85-65! You had to be there! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the most persuasive comments about parking (on both sides of the issue) are below, following my opining. I grew up hearing over and over again that a major reason for the demise of small town shopping centers was the free and ample parking available at the then-new outdoor malls. I think that received wisdom is now called a meme. And then came the even newer enclosed malls, now referred to by some as Mauls and air-conditioned hell. Nostalgia: Fond memories of being taken by the hand as a kid, especially at Christmas time, to Bloomfield Center, downtown Nutley and Belleville; and Newark where Bamberger's Thanksgiving/Christmas Parade was predominantly Bam's employees before it was gobbled up by Macy's Inc. No promotions for movies, schlock TV, twink idols, or kitschy Disney. Red and Green lighted decorations were draped across our main streets with abandon, and no one worried that some drivers might confuse them with the traffic lights. Sigh. When all that disappeared in NJ, my preference was NYC where you could still brave the elements and experience what remained of the Grand Old Department Stores like B. Altman's where long-time clerks knew their merchandise. (City sidewalks, busy sidewalks, In the air there's a feeling of Christmas, And on every street corner you hear Silver bells, silver bells As the shoppers rush home with their treasures, Hear the snow crunch) But I digress. That was Then, This is Now. So, I'm still weighing the strong points below. As a footnote, I still remember admiring the ad hoc entrepreneurship by Oceanport's property owners near Monmouth Race Track. You could park on their lawns, even flower beds, for a few bucks more or less, depending on how close they were to the main gate. I started to calculate how many cars would fit on my property on my Street of Dreams in Asbury Park. In a message dated 11/17/2008 12:10:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Give people every reason to come to AP. We aren't popular enough yet to start challenging their decision to come with parking meters. In a message dated 11/17/2008 3:20:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I learned a long time ago NEVER to be the lowest bidder. What are you saying about yourself? In a message dated 11/17/2008 11:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Let People Pay for parking. a) they pay for food. b) they pay for drinks. c) they tip d) they have a good time e) they feel safe, or they wouldn't come f) they feel they have value for their money **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
Great post Oak... Those specifics -- I remember them all. Also like Lance's comment in the NYT: And if the economy goes totally in the tank at the start of Asbury Park's big new moment? He shrugs. We've been to hell already, he said. Been there, done that. If we could handle that, we can handle this. Having done that, we should have some built-in fortitude. But I wonder about the folks in suburbia and exurbia who've never been there. From Brooks's The Formerly Middle Class:http://tinyurl.com/567e29 But recessions are about more than material deprivation. They're also about fear and diminished expectations. The cultural consequences of recessions are rarely upliftingRecessions breed pessimismAnd it won't only be material deprivations that bites In a message dated 11/19/2008 8:36:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. HEre's an improvement - Stella Marina opened and Lagosta. Before all this bs, lagosta to me (and tommy) was Martell's arcade, then Bob Asay's shop for building his great boats because the pavillons were falling down (actually crumbling). First ave pav was an arcade, me with dogs/pizza etc (then HV's), Kohrs and Criterion ad bathrooms for the public. The casino was boarded up, the boardwalk caving in the empress a whore house cookman boarded up, CH not a beer nor cosmo in sight more hookers on kingsley then people on the boardwalk and you really had to have balls to drive around first. second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh ave... you had to make sure youhad a spare tire not if, but when you got a flat driving down ocean ave, wipe away the fear tog et out and change the tire. but there was always a good samaritan looking for a coffee at 1am to change it for you,,, **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great post Oak... Those specifics -- I remember them all. And the biggest way to tell it has changed...my wife ASKS ME to go to the boardwalk and my daughter no longer asks if she could go climb around the haunted hojo's or for dark scary rides PAST that clown thingy and what was then dark, foggy unlit nights with the doors locked. THAT was my kids memories of the palace and boardwalk... SO the other day when wife and I were having that escarole and bean soup at Stella, my wife called my daughter and said you have to come down to the boardwalk and get some soup...in Asbury,,,on the boardwalk...by the casino... You see, it took me 25 years from the time I first had her on the boardwalk and the palace for her to finally get her it): We can bitch and moan all we want but some people are risking their budgets to make something happen. And in Stella on sunday afternoon while it was quiet, there was something unique there - parents with kidsin Asbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and lasty (I promise for now) a couple weeks ago I was away for the weekend and called my daughter around 9:30 pm where are you,,,? What are you doing on the boardwalk walking the dog with jay... Then she told me later that as they walked in the casino, her friend got spooked out, but it was so lit up.. so my daughter told her friend about city by the sea and in the movie it was a drug den etc and a place for crack dealers..now she's a loud kid. As they walked through, there were two people on the beach by the casino firing up a crack pipe (so she said..). It can happen anywhere - lights, no lights, night, day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Dog Needs Help-Will Be Destroyed
This dog was surrendered because he climbs and digs. It's easy enough to cure, folks--just exercise him! **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Just Waded Through...
In a message dated 11/19/2008 8:02:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing)...Surely there are important things to talk about ??? I'd really like to know whats going on down there. I looked forward to a HUGE improvement on my next visit. == Maybe we're just like Lincoln's Team of Rivals, now linked by pundits to It's probably better to have [rivals] inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. ;-) (LBJ referring to J. Edgar Hoover. More recently Sam Donaldson in a clip on Jon Stewart last night. Sam used the childish peeing.) We're a big-tent city. Come on Down. Or Up, as the case may be. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tunnel Tillie
Tunnel Tillie. Tillie without the facial cellulite? Or Tille after Botox? Just received this, labeled Last Stop, Coney Island, from a friend in NY. I posted it here: _AsburyPark: View Photo: Tillie_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/photos/album/701060607/pic/314112031/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1 count=20dir=asc) **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List what you'd like to see Won't happen, but since the question was unconditional, a new Casino. As bad as the unfinished condos and construction sites look, most of them are inland. You see a construction site surrounded by asphalt streets or sidewalks, there is a level of continuity and logic to it. You can work around it. However, the site of a rusting stone and steel foundation for a demolished building has a starker and more jarring visual effect on sand, next to the ocean. Particularly when you want people to feel comfortable recreating on that sand with their friends and family. Does a parent want their kid building sand castles if there's a possibility a tetanus- inducing rusty nail or pipe could be in that sand? Are people going to want to play volleyball or frisbee, which often involves diving full-body into the sand, if they think they might land on a nail or broken glass? Whether everything has been done to clean the beach or not, impressions matter. This goes for the north end of Ocean Grove as well. They have to deal with that mess on some level too. The beach is your number one draw in summer. Live music is number two. Fix that Casino, and you kill two birds with one stone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Clothing for Kids!
Please join The Harrison for afternoon of food, fun and TV's to Help the children of Asbury Park! Bring new winter clothing for Xmas all children sizes needed. At: The Harrison, 716 Cookman Ave., Asbury Park Date: Sunday, December 14th Time: 1:00PM-5:00PM Items to be distributed by the Asbury Park Police PBA #6 For additional information call: 732-774,2200 Donations accepted anytime Cash Donations also welcome Posted for The Harrison and the AP Police PBA #6 Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...
Wow. Super cool. Wouldn't it be a great treat if we had a winter skating rink? Maybe where the hay maze currently sits? Of course, it makes me wonder how many people still have ice skates. I don't, but I'd buy some if we had a skating rink a few blocks from where I live. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Park had its share of winter sports, such as skating and ice- boating. Wesley, Sunset and Deal Lakes came in for their quoto of patronage. Oen or two families who expected to winter in the south, were so much fascinated with the fine skating upon the lakes, that when last seen, they thought in all probability they would put off their flight for another season. (may each year find them detained by the same pleasant sport). The elctric lights entirely encircling Sunset and Wesley Lakes make the the favorites for evening sport, where the merry laugh of the skaters rings out on the clear air, making music until quite a late hour. The condition of the ice depends much upon the wind in this locality, and great anxiety is felt that it may remain in a westerly direction From The Torch, January 1891. Life seemed a little simple back then... wonder if the men were cursing those lights who dreaming about how women may look in a couple pieces of string sitting on a beach... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] It can't get any lower....but is MM's fund guarenteed by the US GOV??
as the market drops another 400+ points. Here's a question or a thought... Is Madison Marquette's Retail Enhancement Fund safe or backed by the us gov? Consider this- ..some of the national investors in the fund are ColoradoSers, OhioSers, PennsylvaniaSers and ...Wells Fargo. The SERS are State or School Employee Retirement Systems - nationall with trillons in assets because look at all the teachers working every week and saving... 1. From the Ohio SERS site: Amid Latest Market Turmoil, SERS Pensions Are Safe (9/26/08) - SERS wants to reassure its members and retirees that in these challenging economic times, SERS retirees' pensions are safe and secure for the following reasons: A SERS pension is guaranteed by Ohio law (section 3309.661 of the Revised Code) and cannot be reduced due to investment losses. SERS' investments are diversified and investment performance does not hinge on any one investment or on any one firm's success or failure. SERS takes a long-term approach to investments; this long-term approach will help us weather challenging financial times. Recently, you may have heard politicians and financial experts say that during times of economic crisis pensions are at risk, with no distinction between public and private pensions. However, your SERS public pension is not at risk. Then there's more from the National State Pension folks...http://tinyurl.com/6ju7ol But even as recent as that article is written, it's outdated as the scams generated by almost every major bank and publicly traded bankrupt company comes undone How could it be that one day, Citigroup was going to buy other banks, then a few weeks later whoops we have to lay off 50,000 plus? At least Bush was able to drive the gas prices down, right? So next summer, if the prices remain as they are, all those folks from western monmouth will be able to afford to come to Asbury and Pay to park those SUVs in a metered spot - if they can find one. With gas prices so low, MM should be hoping they have enough parking spaces ... now people will travel once again by automobiles to the refreshing beaches of Asbury Park...and be glad to deposit by cash or credit card a minimal amount in modern parking meters...for the luxury of being entertained by the boardwalk, sand and water... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...
H... Wasn't there a place in AP called The Casino where Ice Skating happened? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. Super cool. Wouldn't it be a great treat if we had a winter skating rink? Maybe where the hay maze currently sits? Of course, it makes me wonder how many people still have ice skates. I don't, but I'd buy some if we had a skating rink a few blocks from where I live. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: The Park had its share of winter sports, such as skating and ice- boating. Wesley, Sunset and Deal Lakes came in for their quoto of patronage. Oen or two families who expected to winter in the south, were so much fascinated with the fine skating upon the lakes, that when last seen, they thought in all probability they would put off their flight for another season. (may each year find them detained by the same pleasant sport). The elctric lights entirely encircling Sunset and Wesley Lakes make the the favorites for evening sport, where the merry laugh of the skaters rings out on the clear air, making music until quite a late hour. The condition of the ice depends much upon the wind in this locality, and great anxiety is felt that it may remain in a westerly direction From The Torch, January 1891. Life seemed a little simple back then... wonder if the men were cursing those lights who dreaming about how women may look in a couple pieces of string sitting on a beach... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] more on the fund...
Very interesting (maybe boring for some), but from this read, $60m (that number again) seems that was MM.s money, then this pension system, Jan 2007, kicked in $125m (25%). Dan would be the best to comment I guess. http://www.psers.state.pa.us/org/board/resolutions/2007/madison.pdf Some of their analyis on the economy and commercial vacancy rates from today's view, is off. That coincides with numbers on the commercial side predicting higher vacany rates even on commercial spaces. Like MM, I have a client with a shopping center half full, current tenants in a panic. They are ready to offer one year free rent to get new business in and/or a piece of the business. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: more on the fund...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting (maybe boring for some), but from this read, $60m (that number again) seems that was MM.s money, then this pension system, Jan 2007, kicked in $125m (25%). Dan would be the best to comment I guess. http://www.psers.state.pa.us/org/board/resolutions/2007/madison.pdf Some of their analyis on the economy and commercial vacancy rates from today's view, is off. That coincides with numbers on the commercial side predicting higher vacany rates even on commercial spaces. Like MM, I have a client with a shopping center half full, current tenants in a panic. They are ready to offer one year free rent to get new business in and/or a piece of the business. How many have egg on their faces? I thought the market was going to tank in 2005, 2006 and 2007. I was finally right. Tons of valuations were wrong. Big deals in NYC going/gone south. Macklowe destroyed (again). Tishman Speyer may not make it with their heady purchases of Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town. Archstone, Blackstone and others' deals unwinding. Everyone forming groups to assist in distressed properties. Ha! Sort of like the doctor being your undertaker too. Not only can we guard your health, but if you don;t make, don't worry, we can bury you too. Nothing like one-stop shopping. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: more on the fund... and on MM
We have to be careful what we wish for here. The disaster scenario would be MM pulls out of Asbury and nobody else steps up to take over the project because other real estate opportunities are trading at distressed prices now but don't have nearly the risk that Asbury has. Or MM funds for Asbury get diverted elsewhere because of the opportunities arising. I spent all day at a distressed conference today and spectacular properties are trading at enormous discounts. It becomes very difficult, virtually impossible to get funding for long term projects in this environment particularly ones that don't generate near term cash flow (asbury is a long tailed, long term cash flow play with big potential reward but bad near term economics). I wonder what the cotingency plan would be if MM backed out and cut its losses to focus elsewhere. This is probably a much more serious risk than most on this board perceive. Any thoughts? dan S. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Very interesting (maybe boring for some), but from this read, $60m (that number again) seems that was MM.s money, then this pension system, Jan 2007, kicked in $125m (25%). Dan would be the best to comment I guess. http://www.psers.state.pa.us/org/board/resolutions/2007/madison.pdf Some of their analyis on the economy and commercial vacancy rates from today's view, is off. That coincides with numbers on the commercial side predicting higher vacany rates even on commercial spaces. Like MM, I have a client with a shopping center half full, current tenants in a panic. They are ready to offer one year free rent to get new business in and/or a piece of the business. How many have egg on their faces? I thought the market was going to tank in 2005, 2006 and 2007. I was finally right. Tons of valuations were wrong. Big deals in NYC going/gone south. Macklowe destroyed (again). Tishman Speyer may not make it with their heady purchases of Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town. Archstone, Blackstone and others' deals unwinding. Everyone forming groups to assist in distressed properties. Ha! Sort of like the doctor being your undertaker too. Not only can we guard your health, but if you don;t make, don't worry, we can bury you too. Nothing like one-stop shopping. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H... Wasn't there a place in AP called The Casino where Ice Skating happened? DUH- Before Fishman (BF) I brought Ron Berman the owner of Ron Berman Development and the owner of a NJ Ice Hockey Team to Asbury Park for an inspection of the Casino. Along came his Planner/Engineer who declared that the building could definitely be saved and restored. The plan was to make it the home base for the Hockey team. Ice skating on the Oceanfront...Fancy that. Well After Fishman (AF) it was declared tha the Casino was beyond salvation..This, by exactly the same Planner/Engineer that a Year earlier had said it could be saved. Had Ron Berman been part of the team the Casino would today be a major attraction. :-( Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUH- Apparently there are professionals who work for their client... Years back, some people got out of leases because the buildings they were in were had structural defects.. The Casino and CH were two of them Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: more on the fund...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you don't want them to leave town, otherwise you might wind up with the old beer banner signs that graced the buildings on the boardwalk... Very curious though on the terms of investments in the fund. There could be a clause whereby the funds invested less fee are returned if certain conditions are not met. If that is the case, then MM has to have their own contingency plans. Hopefully, they won't pull it's their fault... it didn't work. That one has been used before - sometimes right, sometimes not. If they don't have a plan for The Wesley end of town - the link between Cookman and Boardwalk then what? Look at who else has invested in their funds - where are they todaythemselves running for cover. HOV can't move. If you read that recommendation to invest in the fund, MM was looking at an IRR (Internal rate of return - which I still have a hard time understanding) is 18%. In the end, it all depends. Everyone should be thakful they had great weather this summer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: more on the fund... and on MM
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to be careful what we wish for here. The disaster scenario would be MM pulls out of Asbury and nobody else steps up to take over the project because other real estate opportunities are trading at distressed prices now but don't have nearly the risk that Asbury has. Or MM funds for Asbury get diverted elsewhere because of the opportunities arising. I spent all day at a distressed conference today and spectacular properties are trading at enormous discounts. It becomes very difficult, virtually impossible to get funding for long term projects in this environment particularly ones that don't generate near term cash flow (asbury is a long tailed, long term cash flow play with big potential reward but bad near term economics). I wonder what the cotingency plan would be if MM backed out and cut its losses to focus elsewhere. This is probably a much more serious risk than most on this board perceive. Any thoughts? dan S. very sobering posteven in a great market/ideal economic environment it would be difficult to pull off what MM is attempting. all I can say is I hope they stick it outthey have made a huge bet on AP and I hope it pays off for us all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
