[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@... wrote: But the vast majority that are on welfare or other government programs do not even try to better their situations. I dont know if that's true. But what I do know is we have created a system that has created generations of folks on assistance. Granted, there has been reform. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
This said it all! The business of low income and poor is big business. Fortunes are made off the misery of others. You sound like you have great kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: part of what Jim wrote... the guy who was drunk got visibly enraged. He burst into tears, screaming, ³JIM! I¹m 26 years old and I can¹t fucking read! I can¹t read! How can I get a job? I can¹t fucking read!² That is not his fault. He was failed by both his family (if one existed) and by the school system. In that moment, he felt safe to share that rage with me and it was controlled. In another situation, it might not be. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
You make a lot of assumptions on why people are on assistance. Do you realize we're in a recession? Police, Firemen, Teachers and executives have lost their jobs and yes, there ARE a lot of one-parent, absentee fathers, drugged out mothers, teen moms, etc. How do you legislate behavior? Sometimes a foreclosure is the reason, too! What you propose is illegal and unconstitutional. The Constitution pertains to the poor, too! No need to change laws to suit you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@... wrote: If they don't get decent grades (or at least passing), the family loses the funding. We are paying billions of dollars in tax money for assistance programs for people who could care less about improving themselves, all they are doing is passing the same problem on to the next generation. There are, of course, exceptions - people who have fallen upon hard times and are doing the best that they can. That is exactly what the programs are designed for. But the vast majority that are on welfare or other government programs do not even try to better their situations. Laws need to be changed so that if they want the assistance, they earn it. If they don't want to make the effort, they lose the assistance and are on their own to figure it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
I agree 100% Sharon I believe there are ways you can legislate behavior in some manner, and some states do already In some states violent crime felons are not allowed to receive financial assistance, like food stamps and such Some states drug test etc I think there are a couple states that are requiring drug tests prior to getting benefits What I feel is the problem with government assistance is the loopholes and the ones who purposely take advantage of the system, here's an example, My cousins brother in law works full time completely off the books, gets unemployment (been on it for 74wks), and food stamps (receiving them for 40wks). His off the books job pays more than mine (which is ridiculous). And get this... the guy buys LOBSTER TAILS every week from Shop Rite with those food stamps. So he's making more than his actual job he was laid off from. He is collecting $1200 every 2 wks from unemployment (NJ Maximum) and he gets free food My cousin won't allow him in his house until he stops stealing from the taxpayers So what our elected officials really need to do is figure out how to close the loop holes and stop letting people take advantage of it.I don't have the answers, I wish I did though Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:51:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read... You make a lot of assumptions on why people are on assistance. Do you realize we're in a recession? Police, Firemen, Teachers and executives have lost their jobs and yes, there ARE a lot of one-parent, absentee fathers, drugged out mothers, teen moms, etc. How do you legislate behavior? Sometimes a foreclosure is the reason, too! What you propose is illegal and unconstitutional. The Constitution pertains to the poor, too! No need to change laws to suit you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@... wrote: If they don't get decent grades (or at least passing), the family loses the funding. We are paying billions of dollars in tax money for assistance programs for people who could care less about improving themselves, all they are doing is passing the same problem on to the next generation. There are, of course, exceptions - people who have fallen upon hard times and are doing the best that they can. That is exactly what the programs are designed for. But the vast majority that are on welfare or other government programs do not even try to better their situations. Laws need to be changed so that if they want the assistance, they earn it. If they don't want to make the effort, they lose the assistance and are on their own to figure it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black.
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: What I feel is the problem with government assistance is the loopholes and the ones who purposely take advantage of the system, here's an example, I used to work with a woman who we had as a secretary. she lives with the father of 14 year old kid, but never married. Why? Didn't pay. She knew enough that if you make under whatever the number is $34,000??. she gets more benefits - single with kid. We cut back her hours - really it was a gift we had her. Tough time answering the phone, could not type or use word, despite my efforts to teach her. We even let her take a full day to write one paragraph. I bought her books. She was more interested in watching reruns of price is right and still not getting it right. She had a part time job at pep boys. When we let her go, she was offered to go full time. But the person who couldn't add up two numbers for me, was sure as hell able to calculate the cost of going full time at PEP Boys at $13 per hour Her unemployment and working part-time was worth more to her then working full time. Then don't forget Mr. Obama's stimulus plan - that extra what - $50 per week for the unemployed. That was real motivation. She put that towards a bankruptcy filing to wipe out $48,000 in charge cards her and boyfriend (unofficial husband racked up). She asked me if it was worth it to spend $2500 to file. I tried to explain to her that that was one great investment. Spend $2500 to make $48,000. Her beer drinking not real spouse was sure to get a 5 ft flat screen tv. And of course she had also got suckered into a refi at 11% along the way. I spent some time with her to heelp her out of that. I really didn't want to. Unmployment was nice to her as well. She made sure to make her first trip to DisneyWorld while unemployed. She had the heart of gold, but had no office skills. I guess sometimes the monmouth county food bank has lobsters as well - maybe Thursdays. And to be clear, she was a white woman. People here seem to think everything is directed at group. So when we (or I get going) - it get's kind of hard when I who busted my ass since my first lemonade stand in 2nd grade to today, had gotten stuck with four non-paying tenants (you don't go to jail for not paying rent in america) - I had no one to turn to. Banks were shut down, despite having a ton of equity, the IRS could less (they don't don't reduce what you owe - if you have assets). If you don't pay your taxes, work off the books and hide it all, they you might be able to scam them. So yep, be ready. The system is out of whack. I think we are all for helping our neighbors. Maybe a thank you here and there would be nice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What if Asbury Park were able to put itself up for sale...
Do you think there'd be a buyer? How would it be run? Would life be better? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] thinkwithgoogle.com
I got to spend some time today at Google HQ in NY. Every now and then I get an invite. Never a job. They call them events. I wish they'd just buy me for my thoughts. Take a look at http://thinkwithgoogle.com It's for marketers, advertisers etc. Imagine if google bought Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Last thought..
I might of said this a few years ago - How many of you have ever traveled outside of Asbury - really the United States. Amazing services we have here that many don't appreciate. Start with food and clean water. Sneakers or shoes. Clothes. Sanitary conditions - like running water and a indoor toilet. I know, many places are rundown here. We have police and justice system (even if you think it's corrupt). More or less have law and order. You don't get killed for stealing, or for that matter, killing someone else or forgetting what you did with your kid. Most people have a roof over their head. Heat when it's cold out. Health care (we all have it - free or not. I'm on line in the ER with insurance just as person in front without). In many cases, you're better without. The er may treat a broken leg wihout insurance - with, they may send you out for xrays or an mri...) Not such a bad place America. Go travel the world and don't stay in a resort. I'm done posting here for awhile. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
