Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Police Remove Billiclub Panters
Ah: The Not Amazing Kreskin On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Obamas first speech will be ..I am pulling us out of Iraq and afganistan because we are going to Kenya. They need our help. By the way that TAX bullsh%@ I fed you I lied. I want to tax everyone 95% no... Give me all your money. Biladin needs it in the fonney ORG. accounts that he has in america. Now Thats A VICTIM From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Police Remove Billiclub Panters VICTIM! On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:55 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, it's obvious that you are a lawyer who refused to admit any wrong doing, always. Personalizing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
You would. On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Obama's Ghettonomics . I love it ! From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:19:32 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified No. We just have to pay for the hand outs the list of loser banking CEO are about to get. I call it Bush's Wall Street Welfare. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: No we just have to pay for the hand outs the list of losers are about to get. I call them Obama's Ghettonomics . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Electoral Vote Updates
As long as it's not you, I'm OK with it. On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Rock Musician wrote: At the end of 4 years we will see who is rejoycing. From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:03:27 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Electoral Vote Updates HAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, justifiedright wrote: O up 175 to 70. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: O up 103 to 58, but Mac winning popular vote by 3K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
At first, I thought you were talking about the Bush Years. Oh: By the way: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Rock Musician wrote: What happened to Joe will soon happen to you. It is so sad that Americas are so stupid, selfish, and fat that they cant see beyond their nose. I say it now on the record You have no idea what your in for. Forget about rebuilding Asbury because you will have no oney to spend on it. TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, Govenmen Control, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, Depression. This reminds me of before the Trade Center Attack when people said ..Oh they will never attack America. Then it happened and Americans wanted to blame the government and they did. Now whos to blame, The warning was sent out to you. Americans did not listen, so its on their shoulders now. The terroists won, they infultraited the USA from within. Good thing this election was about being Black... At least the BLACK PANTHERS, and other people Think so. Vented I feel better now. From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:11:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Aw, c'mon bro! Poor Joe asked a question of a candidate that came to his town. It was Obama's answer that led to folks on the McCain side to make it big. Joe shouldn't have suffered government employees digging for dirt on him, because again it wasn't his question that caused the stir, it was the answer. You don't want folks to not ask questions. Had Mac not made him the lynchpin of his campaign no one would have given JTP a second thought. It is Mac that brought attention to him, and the asshole himself. What makes Joe an asshole? I really don't know what he did to deserve that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
You ARE the sadist thing. On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Rock Musician wrote: The sadist thing here is, Now there will not be any questions answered. The actions taken will be just done weather you like it or not. From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:27:20 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ wrote: Well to be honest I don't care what you think. No love lost here - racist. Watch that video again with Obama and JTP. Going after him? McCain is the one who brought the press to his door. JTP is an asshole and a fraud. Aw, c'mon bro! Poor Joe asked a question of a candidate that came to his town. It was Obama's answer that led to folks on the McCain side to make it big. Joe shouldn't have suffered government employees digging for dirt on him, because again it wasn't his question that caused the stir, it was the answer. You don't want folks to not ask questions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
America hasn't had one for the last eight years. This one was ACTUALLY ELECTED. OVERWHELMINGLY. P. S.: Why do you hate America? On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Rock Musician wrote: The truth arrives ... America does not have a president. ... From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:08:32 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official! ... then fall in line behind the winner. We'll see, but, very doubtful from your clan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
Uh. Didn't America need to count the votes in 2000 and not steal them in Ohio in 2004? Didn't the Party who was installed into power by the slimmest of margin need to govern in an inclusive way rather that screaming about a mandate and political capitol, thumbing their noses at the world and riding roughshod over every tradition, precedent and facet of the constitution? I think that was basically the problem. On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:48 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: America needs to be united right now, this very second. Did we not need to be united over the past 8 years? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?
Palin = $150,000 wardrobe and tanning booth in her house Joe, the Fake Plumber= Tax cheat and wife beater Not common folk in any way. But you're t=right about the loathe part... On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:21 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I thought Madam Marie died. All these predictions. Maybe they're channeling her, or is the Ouija Board back in fashion? ;-) Hopefully Caribou Barbie will crawl back into her igloo never to be heard of again. Your elitism is showing. Palin and Joe the Plumber - common folk. Oh how the left loathes them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Post Elec Analysis
Why waste 29 seconds of my life? On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: This 29 second vid sums up why He one. Boy is she and millions others going to be disappointed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
Like the Wall Street Bailout for Banking CEOs in the Hamptons? On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:46 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stealing from one to give to another isn't going to unite anyone! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
I didn't mean it, but Karma might. Good luck with that. On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad timing with a rushing off to hawaii accusation. You're right, bad timing. Didn't see the news reports until later. May everyone in an opposite political party make light of the death of a beloved family member of yours. Look at what political discussions do to people. You don't mean that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
It's real. On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Its a fake... Grandmas dead now .there is no other evidence . for Now. From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 11:48:20 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Obama's Birth Certificate Verified Obama's Birth Certificate Verified by DAVID KNOWLES NOV 3RD 2008 9:32AM One of the stranger stories to come out of this year's election was the widely e-mailed claim that Barack Obama was ineligible to run for president because he was not actually born on U.S. soil. Our constitution, you see, requires that our presidents be natural-born citizens. John McCain, of course, was born in Panama, though, because that event took place on a U.S. military base, it passes constitutional muster. The unfounded, conspiratorial charge that Obama was hiding his birth certificate got a whole lot of people who were already upset at Obama even more upset. Call it the bitter icing on the bitter cake. These folks screaming about the birth certificate are the same ones who believe that we don't know the real Obama. Obama's campaign released copies of the birth certificate to the media, but that wasn't good enough for the lunatic fringe. After all, the campaign might have doctored the copies! So, all across the country crazy people started filing lawsuits to get the state of Hawai'i to break its own laws and show off the original document. What always astonished me about this story was the notion that a guy would go through this whole process--two years of non-stop campaigning and the endless scrutiny it entails-- if he knew that he could be knocked out of the race on a simple technicality. Well, on Friday, the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health, Dr. Chimoye Fukino, finally got tired of listening to ridiculous chorus coming from McCain/ Palin supporters and he went to personally inspect the original birth certificate. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. Therefore, I as Director for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures, Fukino said. Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other. Will this satisfy the skeptics out there in McCain-land? Of course not. I mean, really, Chimoye Fukino? What kind of name is that? Sounds even worse than Barack Hussein Obama. No, no, they'll tell you. Something's fishy. Isn't it suspect that Obama's grandmother just happened to break her hip and get sick just as this latest in a seemingly never-ending series of bogus lawsuits was running its course? No, something nefarious is lurking just under the surface. If it takes the Palin/McCain mob the next eight years to find it, by golly, they will. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
We see who sucks right now. Regardless of who gets in. On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Will see who sucks if he gets in. From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:19:39 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified You suck --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Last week Obama went to see grandma to say goodbye. She was as good as dead when she said Obama was born in Indonesia. Makes sense to get rid of baggage that can ruin his election. He is ruthless and I would not put itr past him, after all how can you not know your illegle aunt was living in poverty in the US. Well thats why he wants your tax money so you can pay her. If he wins I will never ever call him the President of the US. I will never egknowledge Obama as an American. If he screws up the country with war I will never defend any people that voted for him. _ _ __ From: Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 11:34:22 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified Bad timing with a rushing off to hawaii accusation. May everyone in an opposite political party make light of the death of a beloved family member of yours. On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: So that's why Obama had to Rush off to Hawaii last week! Oh tommy, your sore loser is showing. is no one in your life authentic and therefore it is impossible to recognize authenticity? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] after voting....dinner and a movie
Actually, if Obama gets in, you're finished. On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Rock Musician wrote: I would just pack it in Asbury is finished if Obama gets in . Asbury and its people will be paying so much taxes that there will not be anything left to finish the town. So bring back the homeless and the recovering wacks again but this time it will be great for them. Asbury was half rebuilt and they will have money for more drugs and booze. Thanks to tax payers. From: jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:31:21 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] after votingdinner and a movie Restaurant Plan B and Paranormal Books on Cookman Ave want to remind you to go out and vote... Then Plan to come to Plan B...enjoy our Prix Fixe Menu 4 courses for 25.00 and then free movie and popcorn at Paranormal Books... Hope to see you tuesday night... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
VICTIM! On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:12 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't mean it, but Karma might. Good luck with that. Personalizing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Other Interesting Votes Today
The culture of death is on the ballot in fifty states: continued Iraq war, Shock and Awe, poisoning our planet with non-renewable energy, no universal health care, opposition to stem cell research, the death penalty... On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:38 AM, justifiedright wrote: (Note - not my work): The culture of life is on the ballot in five states. California, Colorado, and South Dakota have the opportunity to limit abortion rights. An initiative in Michigan would permit the destruction of human embryos in scientific research and allow state funding for it. This vote will test the strength of the pro-life movement in a state that is home to many culturally conservative Democrats. Finally, the state of Washington will consider following in the footsteps of its neighbor to the south, Oregon, legalizing euthanasia. Massachusetts will decide whether to phase out the state's personal income tax. Voters in Arizona, Florida, Maine, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Oregon also will have a chance to limit or lower their taxes. Coloradoans will ponder raising their state sales tax to provide more services to the disabled. Minnesotans also will have a chance to increase their sales taxes so that the state government can spend more on parks and the arts. Although Minnesotans love the outdoors, taxpayer groups point out that St. Paul already has underwritten such public artworks as sculpture popularly known as The Big Poo. Simple disgust may compel enough voters to flush down this tax hike. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Voting Problems
Who gives a crap what FAUX NOISE says? On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:40 AM, justifiedright wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Voting Problems
FAUX NOISE is not a perspective on the issues. It's a media propaganda wing of the NeoCon party, and is widely recognized a such. And we on this Yahoo group know: You're exactly where you belong. On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:57 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gives a crap what FAUX NOISE says? What an interesting perspective on the issues! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Voting Problems
PERSONAL ATTACK! HELP! HELP! SOMEONE HELP ME! On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:57 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gives a crap what FAUX NOISE says? What an interesting perspective on the issues! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Intimidation at the polls! Voter Suppression!
You're lying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wWNYyYBXd4 On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:04 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Palin cleared!
False: Not cleared, just not found guilty from lack of evidence by HER APPOINTED COMMITTEE. You, of all people, should know the difference. And: Don'cha just LOVE the election day release of this report? There is no probable cause to believe that Governor Palin violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act by making the decision to dismiss Department of Public Safety Commissioner Mongan, the investigator, Timothy Petumenos, said. There is no probable cause to believe that Governor Palin violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in any other respect in connection with the employment of Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten. After McCain selected Palin as his vice presidential nominee, her attorneys attempted to take the investigation out of the hands of the legislative investigator by asking the State Personnel Board to intervene. At a routine meeting this afternoon, the State Personnel Board, which is appointed by Palin, surprised attendees by announcing that its investigator would release his findings today. Petumenos, an independent investigator hired by the State Personnel Board, released the bulky report at a news conference that began at 7:30 p.m. EST. http://tinyurl.com/5g94ej The legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower, found evidence that Palin actively joined her husband, Todd, in pursuing a personal vendetta against the trooper and that she used state employees to try to settle a score in a bitter family feud. Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: To get Trooper Michael Wooten fired, said the report released by a bipartisan legislative committee. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:09 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081104/D9480AK83.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Voting Problems
He's talking about me AND MY POST! PERSONAL ATTACK! HELP! HELP! FOR GOD'S SAKE: WILL SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME?! On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FAUX NOISE is not a perspective on the issues. It's a media propaganda wing of the NeoCon party, and is widely recognized a such. And we on this Yahoo group know: You're exactly where you belong. I was talking about your post. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Here comes the Fairness Doctrine
Can't WAIT for the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Nothing would make me happier. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:18 PM, justifiedright wrote: Why, Obama hasn't even won yet and already they are curtailing free speech. This is Justified Right, signing off (because they are going to make me). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Intimidation at the polls! Voter Suppression!
Wrong, as usual. Your own PRAVDA-network said there was no problem, while you continue to lie that there is. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:23 PM, justifiedright wrote: Mine was about Black Panthers at the door. Yours was about the ability of poll monitors to stay inside. One has nothing to do with the other. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're lying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wWNYyYBXd4 On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:04 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Lies, Cheating and Helicopter Moose Hunts!
Four employees hired by a temporary staffing agency to encourage absentee voting for Sen. John McCain in Wisconsin say they were instructed to tell people they were Republican volunteers. The employees told The Associated Press in interviews on Monday they were hired by Allstaff Labor Group to go door-to-door in the Milwaukee suburbs locating McCain supporters and distributing absentee ballot request forms. Allstaff recruited the workers under a contract with a consulting firm hired by the Republican Party of Wisconsin to run its absentee ballot program. The workers claim they were told to say they were GOP volunteers even though they were getting paid $10 an hour for the work. They were required to sign agreements stating they would not speak publicly about their work with anyone including reporters, but they decided to speak out because they were angry they had not been paid for their final few days. http://tinyurl.com/5pnf9m On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Here comes the Fairness Doctrine
The Fairness Doctrine is not restricting anything. It's about letting both sides being heard, which never works for The Right. Raygun got rid of it just for this reason: Reality Has A Liberal Bias. A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a...frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount. — U.S. Supreme Court, upholding the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969. There are many misconceptions about the Fairness Doctrine. For instance, it did not require that each program be internally balanced, nor did it mandate equal time for opposing points of view. And it didn’t require that the balance of a station’s program lineup be anything like 50/50. Nor, as Rush Limbaugh has repeatedly claimed, was the Fairness Doctrine all that stood between conservative talkshow hosts and the dominance they would attain after the doctrine’s repeal. In fact, not one Fairness Doctrine decision issued by the FCC had ever concerned itself with talkshows. Indeed, the talkshow format was born and flourished while the doctrine was in operation. Before the doctrine was repealed, right-wing hosts frequently dominated talkshow schedules, even in liberal cities, but none was ever muzzled (The Way Things Aren’t, Rendall et al., 1995). The Fairness Doctrine simply prohibited stations from broadcasting from a single perspective, day after day, without presenting opposing views. In answer to charges, put forward in the Red Lion case, that the doctrine violated broadcasters’ First Amendment free speech rights because the government was exerting editorial control, Supreme Court Justice Byron White wrote: “There is no sanctuary in the First Amendment for unlimited private censorship operating in a medium not open to all.” In a Washington Post column (1/31/94), the Media Access Project (MAP), a telecommunications law firm that supports the Fairness Doctrine, addressed the First Amendment issue: “The Supreme Court unanimously found [the Fairness Doctrine] advances First Amendment values. It safeguards the public’s right to be informed on issues affecting our democracy, while also balancing broadcasters’ rights to the broadest possible editorial discretion.” Indeed, when it was in place, citizen groups used the Fairness Doctrine as a tool to expand speech and debate. For instance, it prevented stations from allowing only one side to be heard on ballot measures. Over the years, it had been supported by grassroots groups across the political spectrum, including the ACLU, National Rifle Association and the right-wing Accuracy In Media. Typically, when an individual or citizens group complained to a station about imbalance, the station would set aside time for an on- air response for the omitted perspective: “Reasonable opportunity for presentation of opposing points of view,” was the relevant phrase. If a station disagreed with the complaint, feeling that an adequate range of views had already been presented, the decision would be appealed to the FCC for a judgment. According to Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of MAP, scheduling response time was based on time of day, frequency and duration of the original perspective. “If one view received a lot of coverage in primetime,” Schwartzman told Extra!, “then at least some response time would have to be in primetime. Likewise if one side received many short spots or really long spots.” But the remedy did not amount to equal time; the ratio of airtime between the original perspective and the response “could be as much as five to one,” said Schwartzman. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:35 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't WAIT for the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Nothing would make me happier. Democrats - can't win a free market contest of ideas - so restrict the other guy from saying his ideas! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Intimidation at the polls! Voter Suppression!
Nope. I never go to your YouTube links, so I have no idea what your Party-line of the moment was. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:40 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong, as usual. Your own PRAVDA-network said there was no problem, while you continue to lie that there is. John I guess you typed this before I posted Hope, Change and Billiclubs. It's right there on the video. Billiclub and all. Care to make a retraction? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Ed Johnson on Obama
Strength of character? Grace and dignity? Who is this person talking about? Certainly not Palin. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:49 PM, justifiedright wrote: Ed Johnson is a stand up guy. He didn't invite me to his Cameo bar party though. I just can't get on the A-list for Asbury Park parties. Probably because he knows if he did get invited, I would bust his chops all night about the Redskins losing yesterday. I certainly would! Community leaders reflect on the race, gender of candidates By Shannon Mullen STAFF WRITER November 4, 2008 If Barack Obama wins today, Ed Johnson will forever associate the Cameo Bar in Asbury Park with two starkly different but equally indelible moments. The first, two weeks ago, happened when an Obama ad came on the TV during the Monday Night Football broadcast. Johnson, who is African-American and a supporter of Obama, says he was at the bar conversing with a friend when a white acquaintence leaned over and launched into a racist diatribe about why he wasn't voting for the country's first major party black presidential nominee. In very unvarnished language, using the 'N word,' Johnson said. It was a shocking moment It was almost like a punch in the gut. Johnson, a city councilman in Asbury Park and director of Brookdale College's Long Branch Higher Education Center, said he was so stunned he wasn't sure how to react. Later, he resolved to respond in a positive way, joining a local get-out-the-vote effort and calling friends in relatives in battleground states to urge them to vote for Obama. He also decided to host an election night victory party at the Cameo Tuesday, inviting friends who were supporting McCain as well as those backing Obama. He reasoned that regardless of the outcome, it was sure to be an historic moment and, he hoped, maybe a healing one, too. If McCain wins, at 72 he'll become the oldest candidate ever elected president, and Sarah Palin will be the first woman vice president. If Obama wins, as Johnson expects, he will become the first African-American president of the United States. I think it's going to be a moment of pride, not just for the African-American community, but a moment of pride for America, Johnson, 46, said prior to the election. It's just another chapter in the American story, he said. The American story has always been one of expanding opportunities to everybody. From now on, he added, every child black, white, Asian, Latino, male or female can look in the mirror and say, 'I can be president of the United States.'... Like Johnson, Jacob Jones feels strongly that if Obama comes out ahead, America will be the real winner. At 59, Jones, who is African-American, is old enough to have experienced the bitter reality of segregation during boyhood trips with his family to visit relatives in North Carolina. A Long Branch resident who is the city's economic development director, he believes that if Obama is elected it will demonstrate to the world that America truly stands for freedom and equality. Finally, he said, we can be that beacon that I've heard about and read about my whole life. One the eve of the election, women supporting the McCain-Palin ticket also felt a sense of momentousness about Palin's bid to become the first woman vice president. Marie Salvato, of Brick, said Palin was the first candidate for higher office to truly excite her since John F. Kennedy. As a young woman, Salvato, 76, wrote to JFK to congratulate him on his performance in his famous televised debate in 1960 with Richard M. Nixon. Kennedy wrote back, and today his note and photograph hangs in a frame in Salvato's hallway. Salvato, who heads the Respect Life committee at her Catholic parish, said she has voted Republican ever since the Democratic Party began supporting abortion rights. She was overjoyed when McCain chose a woman as his running mate who has championed the pro-life cause in a heroic way, by embracing the challenges of raising a child with Down syndrome. I think it would be great, not because she'd be the first woman, but because of the way she is, the kind of woman that she is, said Salvato, who called Palin young, bright, honest, experienced in governing and a gift from God. Rose Ann Scotti, a former Colts Neck mayor and committeewoman who was the Monmouth County chair of NJ Women for McCain-Palin, said prior to the election that as a woman, wife and mother, Palin would bring a whole different perspective to the executive branch of the federal government. I like to say it will bring the heart of America to the decision- making process, she said. Scotti met Palin on a reception line at Newark Liberty International Airport last month. In their brief exchange, Scotti assured the Alaska governor that many New Jersey women were thrilled by her candidacy and the strength of character she exhibited during a brutal
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Lies, Cheating and Helicopter Moose Hunts!
Meaningless investigations instigated by Republicans to suppress the vote that actually reveal NO VOTER fraud EVER? Is that what you (and your Propaganda CHANNEL) are still trying to push? Hate to clue you in: no one bought this lie and this attempt at voter suppression has been a miserable failure, just like the entire Bush administration and everything they touched. On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:56 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheating? So instead of being 4 volunteers, they were paid $10. It's not like they are being investigated in 15 states for massive voter registartion fraud in the hundreds of thousands invovling millions of dollars of taxpayer money, like Obama's Acorn. Keep searching the net. You'll never even the score. Four employees hired by a temporary staffing agency to encourage absentee voting for Sen. John McCain in Wisconsin say they were instructed to tell people they were Republican volunteers. The employees told The Associated Press in interviews on Monday they were hired by Allstaff Labor Group to go door-to-door in the Milwaukee suburbs locating McCain supporters and distributing absentee ballot request forms. Allstaff recruited the workers under a contract with a consulting firm hired by the Republican Party of Wisconsin to run its absentee ballot program. The workers claim they were told to say they were GOP volunteers even though they were getting paid $10 an hour for the work. They were required to sign agreements stating they would not speak publicly about their work with anyone including reporters, but they decided to speak out because they were angry they had not been paid for their final few days. http://tinyurl.com/5pnf9m On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Intimidation at the polls! Voter Suppression!
Don't need to look to know your lying. You know it gets boring constantly running after you NJ Righties with all your lies and having to debunk them over and over and over and you just keep posting the same garbage continuously, hoping something slips through. So, I allow myself to just click through every 12th link of yours, because that's my Lie Threshold. And whether you like it or think it's fair or whatever weak snark you post in response doesn't affect me in the least, in case you haven't noticed. On Nov 4, 2008, at 2:00 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. I never go to your YouTube links, so I have no idea what your Party-line of the moment was. So you didn't go to the link, yet you posted a big liar about what I said was happening at the polls. Nice. Had you gone there, you would have seen men in Black Panther gear, one weilding a billiclub, blocking the front door to intimidate voters. Don't look at it though. Continue to make conclusions about the content without looking at it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] More unnecessary display of force
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Ohio_police_in_riot_gear_on_1104.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A reporter on Fox just said the Panther was a REGISTERED POLL WATCHER. The Panther video was shot by Mike Roman, McCain's Director of Election Day Operations, or: This guy: Mike Roman most recently served as Director of Election Day Operations at the Republican National Committee during the 2006 election cycle and as the Pennsylvania Election Day Operations Director during 2004. Prior to 2004, Roman worked for the Pennsylvania House Republican Campaign Committee. Roman was also an Elected Ward Leader in Philadelphia from 2002 to 2006. http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0207/Rudys_Team.html In Connecticut, the republican state party Chair made unsubstantiated allegations and calls for investigation into non-existent voter registration fraud, based on a video made by Election Journal, which is run by Mike Roman, a man who happens to be McCain’s Director of Election Day Operations and was the RNC’s Director of Election Day Registration in 2006. http://three-cents.blogspot.com/2008/08/voter-fraud-we-will-suppress- vote.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
I'd also like to point out that maybe if Gore not had the election
stolen from him and America and the Republican appointed Supreme
Court installed and illegitimate Dauphin and not given the
Republicans the reins of Government, which they despise, because they
hate Government, you Republicans might have not had to endure a day
like today, where we have to push your nose in it like a dog who took
a dump on the living room rug.
On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:
Yeah, I heard the clip in it's entirety.
And guess what, it doesn't scare me, and it didn't make me change
my opinion one bit,
because I'm well studied in what Obama hopes to do for this country.
I'd also like to point out that maybe if Bush had been a better
president and not given the
republicans such a bad name, you might have not had to endure a day
like today, where
it's likely that Obama will win.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Was his comment on coal taken out of context Jack? It was aired
in its entirety so that
isn't really possible to maek that calim. It is a good thing you
live near the shore it makes
it so much easier to get your head in the sand.
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 9:29 AM
Fear and soundbytes rule your world.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon
tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:
Jack you will soon see he is hiding more than you know and you
will also soon see that
95% of America WILL NOT be getting tax cuts. Obama is already
proving what a naive
idiot
he really is. He plans on bankrupting the coal industry whe we
get more than 50% of our
electricity from coal. Yes Jack you are on a roll Corzine and
Hussein two great choices.
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Rock Musician rockmscn@ . wrote:
From: Rock Musician rockmscn@ .
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:41 AM
Its a fake... Grandmas dead now .there is no other
evidence . for Now.
_ _ __
From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 11:48:20 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
by DAVID KNOWLES
NOV 3RD 2008 9:32AM
One of the stranger stories to come out of this year's election
was the widely e-mailed
claim that Barack Obama was ineligible to run for president
because he was not
actually
born on U.S. soil. Our constitution, you see, requires that our
presidents be natural-
born
citizens. John McCain, of course, was born in Panama, though,
because that event
took
place on a U.S. military base, it passes constitutional muster.
The unfounded, conspiratorial charge that Obama was hiding his
birth certificate got
a
whole lot of people who were already upset at Obama even more
upset. Call it the
bitter
icing on the bitter cake. These folks screaming about the birth
certificate are the
same
ones who believe that we don't know the real Obama.
Obama's campaign released copies of the birth certificate to
the media, but that
wasn't
good enough for the lunatic fringe. After all, the campaign
might have doctored the
copies! So, all across the country crazy people started filing
lawsuits to get the state
of
Hawai'i to break its own laws and show off the original
document. What always
astonished
me about this story was the notion that a guy would go through
this whole process--
two
years of non-stop campaigning and the endless scrutiny it
entails--if he knew that
he
could be knocked out of the race on a simple technicality.
Well, on Friday, the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health,
Dr. Chimoye Fukino,
finally
got tired of listening to ridiculous chorus coming from McCain/
Palin supporters and
he
went to personally inspect the original birth certificate.
Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin
Onaka, have personally
verified
that the health department holds Obama's original birth
certificate.
Therefore, I as Director for the State of Hawai'i, along with
the Registrar of Vital
Statistics
who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type
of vital records, have
personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department
of Health has Sen.
Obama's
original birth certificate on record in accordance with state
policies and procedures,
Fukino said.
Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda
Lingle, ever instructed that
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
Note carefully what Obama is saying here: He wants a cap-and-trade program that would set a price for greenhouse-gas emissions. That would make it prohibitively expensive to build new conventional coal plants, because they emit vast amounts of carbon. Yet that's not the way the Business Roundtable, a marketing organization for a coalition of Western CEOs, puts it. Its release says Obama's proposal would make it impossible to build advanced clean coal power plants with carbon capture and sequestration. Actually, if the technology to capture and bury carbon emissions from coal plants existed (it's still under study, and may never be commercially viable), such a plant would emit only trace amounts of carbon, and thus be perfectly viable under Obama's cap-and-trade scheme. http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/11/obama-coal-pali.html This is why business groups get a bad name for trying to greenwash environmentally destructive projects: The roundtable clearly objects to Obama's stance on dirty, conventional coal, but in order to look as if it cares about the environment, it's pretending that Obama actually opposes carbon-capture technology, which he has repeatedly backed (that's what Obama meant when he said if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it). The Business Roundtable still could take a few pointers on Doublespeak, though, from the master: Palin. In a campaign appearance in Ohio, Palin brought up the same YouTube tape to blast Obama's stance on coal. He said that, sure, if the industry wants to build new coal-fired plants, then they can go ahead and try. . . but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he's comfortable letting that happen. What Palin neglected to mention is that the guy she's running with, John McCain, favors a cap-and-trade program very similar to Obama's, which would have the exact same impact on conventional coal plants. No matter who wins, the coal industry is going to be in trouble. Maybe after the election we can all stop pretending otherwise. On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:48 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mccain and obama have the same position on coal mike. http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/11/02/obama-coal-plants/ I don't recall McCain's promise to bankrupt a coal company with carbon taxes, Gabbi. Can you show that to me? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Police Remove Billiclub Panters
http://tinyurl.com/5d9jc9 On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: Tommy, Of course you know all kind of schnanigans have occured all around this election. You also have people intimidating Obama supporters at Palin rallies. You had an anonymous email go out that convinced people that Obama was a Muslim, which he wasn't, and in the process, McCain himself offended all of the more the 8 million American Muslim citizens when, at at McCain rally, that women called Obama a Muslim, and McCain responded by he's not a bad person, which can easily be interpereted as he's not a bad person because he's not a Muslim, as if all Muslims are bad people. You and I can post youtube clips all day, for days, but we are now just hours away from having a new president. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Mike...what if Obama wins? What if he wins and does a great job? What if he wins, does a great job, increases the worlds respect of America and actually moves us forward out of the mess that the last 8 years have created? Are you going to continue to bash away, or, one day, will you be willing to say I was proven wrong if in fact, you were? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course if you don't watch the vid, you can claim it all never happened and call me a liar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOKnJ0oXYY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Republicans, always resorting to trial lawyers
when they can't get their way through the electoral process. Why do they hate America and the Democratic process? The Ohio Republican Party filed an amended complaint on Tuesday against Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in hopes of challenging the way in which some ballots are counted. The lawsuit seeks a preliminary and permanent injunction regarding the counting of provisional ballots. The suit filed by Republicans aims to rescind directives issued by Brunner, including allowing voters to register and vote afterwards during the one week, known as the golden week, 10TV's Paul Aker reported. http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2008/11/04/ story_gop_lawsuit.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Police Remove Billiclub Panters
VICTIM! On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:55 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, it's obvious that you are a lawyer who refused to admit any wrong doing, always. Personalizing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Per Drudge
Since Drudge is wrong 85% of the time, why bother with him? On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Exit Polls Show Obama Winning Huge! +15 In Pa! FL and OH too close to call from exit polls. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] No, Steve: The other black guy
This morning, the Fox and Friends crew was sitting around waiting for Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) to arrive at his polling place. “There he is, he just walked in,” Steve Doocy announced as another African- American man, wearing a casual tan jacket and a hat, walked in. Even Doocy’s co-hosts didn’t believe him. “Was that the back of his head?” asked Brian Kilmeade. “I don’t know,” said Gretchen Carlson. A few minutes later, the real Obama walked in, wearing a dark suit. Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/04/doocy-black-obama Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark]
Traditional misinformation campaigns aimed at suppressing Election Day turnout have gone high tech, with some voters reporting misleading text message and Facebook updates listing the wrong day to vote. The Election Protection Coalition says its representatives have fielded complaints from voters who were informed that Election Day had been moved to Wednesday. It's unclear precisely how many messages were sent, or who was behind the effort, but the medium suggests an effort to keep young voters away from the polls. Some of the text messages are deliberately aimed at Democratic voters, saying that Obama supporters should cast ballots the day after Election Day, said Heather Smith, who's been coordinating outreach efforts for Rock the Vote. Rock the Vote has fielded complaints of inaccurate txt messages sent to Florida State Students and messages listing the wrong day to vote posted to several Facebook groups. Smith said the high-tech efforts join more traditional means, such as fliers distributed in neighborhoods around Drexel University in Philadelphia warning that unpaid parking tickets could disqualify someone from voting. Voters in a closely contested Virginia congressional district also received a forged flier last week that inaccurately said Democrats should vote on Wednesday. Jonah Goldman, who directs the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law's National Campaign for Fair Elections, said observers noticed a similar pattern among many different means of suppression. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Per Drudge
No. he's a liar. By the way: GOODBYE. On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:05 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Drudge is wrong 85% of the time, why bother with him? E, Drudge is a news aggregator. How exactly can a news aggregator be wrong? Wouldn't that mean all news is 85% wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
Uh. beating his wife? On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes Joe an asshole? I really don't know what he did to deserve that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
HAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:20 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: What makes Joe an asshole? I really don't know what he did to deserve that. his name isn't really joe, he's not really a plumber and he is no where near making over 250k. and i read somewhere that he isn't even registered to vote. authenticity tommy. its everything. Yes his name is Joe. Of course he is a plumber. Making less than $250,000 makes him an asshole? I don't understand the contempt for him. He hasn't even been disrespectful to either candidate or anyone from anytime I've seen him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Per Drudge
HAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:22 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Since Drudge is wrong 85% of the time, why bother with him? E, Drudge is a news aggregator. How exactly can a news aggregator be wrong? Wouldn't that mean all news is 85% wrong? aggregator maybe but capable of printing the truth NOT! he jumped on that pathetic story about the dumb vagina who lied about being jumped by an obama supporter. Every media outlet reported it. BOTH campaigns called her. Kidos to Michelle Malkin for being the first to call Shenanigans. By the way - do you know what an aggregator is or does? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Florida!
AHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:26 PM, justifiedright wrote: Presidential (last updated: 11-04-08 8:24 PM EST) Precincts Reporting 30% McCain (R) 1,862,308 47% Obama (D) 2,104,059 53% [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Virginia!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: McCain up 52-48! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Per Drudge
HA. HA. HA. HA. HAA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:31 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: By the way - do you know what an aggregator is or does? u, let me see (hair flip, giggle giggle) um like, do they like, (bra fidget, wink wink) do they aggregate news? like ummm (giggle giggle) bring different news sources together, often with editorial emphasis bringing lite to their positions. (lip lick, gloss apply) So that they often have to be embarrassed by their joy at revealing stories, even if they aren't true? Wow I might read this more than once tonight ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Electoral Vote Updates
NOT! On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:44 PM, justifiedright wrote: O up 103 to 58, but Mac winning popular vote by 3K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Electoral Vote Updates
HAHAHAHAHA! On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, justifiedright wrote: O up 175 to 70. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O up 103 to 58, but Mac winning popular vote by 3K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
Briefly. On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:06 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations to Barack Obama - President elect of the United States of America! good sport Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
... then fall in line behind the winner. We'll see, but, very doubtful from your clan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
Complete lies. Stop stating your guesses and wishes as fact. On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:44 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama's campaign released copies of the birth certificate to the Well, on Friday, the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health, Dr. Chimoye Fukino, finally got tired of listening to ridiculous chorus coming from McCain/ Palin supporters and he went to personally inspect the original birth certificate. The lawsuit was filed by a Democrat. Don't confuse Hillary's lunatics with ours. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. So that's why Obama had to Rush off to Hawaii last week! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama's Birth Certificate Verified
Bad timing with a rushing off to hawaii accusation. May everyone in an opposite political party make light of the death of a beloved family member of yours. On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that's why Obama had to Rush off to Hawaii last week! Oh tommy, your sore loser is showing. is no one in your life authentic and therefore it is impossible to recognize authenticity? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5fd4Ynw7H4 On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notice that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I stated. Nice try. === Nice try at denial on your part -- Backatcha. The links provide the full context for your facts which you cherry-picked while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes. Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism. Statements from the administrators of the schools he did attend. His father registered him as Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not. The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their facts have been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't. My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking. In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No facts, no analysis - just personalizing. The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this group's archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g., message #12682) and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others. I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis: Those who would appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to our Better Angels. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol? redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
This is because there was nothing positive to report about McCain. On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:14 AM, justifiedright wrote: Some numbers came out recently about it. Purely postive media coverage of Obama is about 67% For McCain it is about 36% Almost a 2 to 1 ration in favor of Obama. Those numbers are approximate. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked equal protection to Reagan on AIDS
Waah! Waah! Waah! On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Being Gay, lesbian, abortionist or Anti abortionist,Racism,nudist has no place in government. That is your personal business. Keep it to yourself. I don't feel the government should be involved. If enough people got married in a religion that allows gay marriage then business would follow.I don't feel its the government that should control this. Its your business. Make it a business and it will happen. The more government control the less rights you have. Government Mandatory - wear a bicycle helmet. No Smoking. No Nudity in your backyard. No same sex marriage. no drinking beer or Booze in your front yard. Wear a seat belt. No Religion in public. Because the government wants you to be safe and moral. They will convict the inocent and let the common bad go free. Why don't people see whats happening. If you want Change get your rights back first. Educate yourself in doing it the right Common sense way. From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:47:23 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked equal protection to Reagan on AIDS You really just linked to a site that suggests Lincoln was gay? You win. I'll go now. Good grief. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Here's some facts: * The fist gay couple to sleep at the White House was at the invite of Ronald Reagan. Facts? Who knows what REALLY went on before Regan. Maybe openly gay?? Maybe others were invited to sleep there as well, but thefacts don't exist. So again, we have to question facts. The only way a fact can be a fact is if you (the writer) witnessed the fact. That's what lawyers were invented for. To convince other people or intimidate others to believe in their version of the facts. So here is another version of what MIGHT of occurred in the WHITE HOUSE prior to Regan... bodies are a tough thing to control. Here are facts about a lesbians and more in the white house from what some consider a Trusted source. Counselors. http://www.planetou t.com/news/ history/archive/ whitehouse. html The Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Well, you've basically coalesced every right wing lie in one easy-to- swallow glass of KoolAid. Congratulation to you and your Party of Losers, loser. On Oct 30, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Vote for Obama, after all the proof that he has terrorist ties and believes in radical RACISM. Disregard all the facts about him, Protect him, Like the media does. Bash the other side for wearing dresses or claims of bushenomics. You want change so vote for Obama. Give him all of our nuclear weapons information and Israels nuclear info too. After all he has said in the past He does not support our Allie. He has allot of campaign money, wow people must have a lot of money to give. If you want to give, do it. You can use any name and address you want and don't worry they will not even check to see if you are a legal citizen because there is NO PROOF on is web site. I mean if they did that then the 57 Islamic States that donated, would be illegal. With that in mind vote for Obama. For he never laid out a plan he only talks about it in a half hour commercial before a major baseball game. By the way he did not care that it delayed the start of a game that Americans enjoy. Its a good thing that he will be president of 57 states, quote on quote. He will abolish the second Amendment as soon as he can. He will also enforce our police to search and seize legal weapons, such as handguns , shotguns and rifles that legal citizens use for protection, target range clubs and hunting. He tried to accomplish this in the Illinois state that he represented in the senate. He believes that it is a good thing to disarm good America citizens. The bad guys with the illegal stuff well they will not be affected, because there its no Proof the have weapons. Its a good thing that he has NO proof of his past including a valid birth certificate. Hold on a minute NO Proof keeps popping up . How can you get a drivers license without proof of who you are? Oh I forgot he was on the board of directors for the company that keeps track of birth certificates, How convenient. It will be a close election since ACORN is now Blatantly telling people to vote for Obama. They where also busted for registered Democrats that were fake. Does this also mean that if someone registered to be a Republican voter they put him in as a Democrat instead? Well I have to hand it too Obama. He covered all the bases, including cover ups before he decided to run for President. He is so good at deceit. As he spoke about the info that the LA Times refused to release. He stated that the he knows of the Islamic leader but do the 10 other people he knows have ties this Islamic leader. He never answered the fact of why he was there, or the ties he has with this leader. Oh Daaah! He spoke around it again. Vote for Obama. If you don't you are Racist, Stupid and UN Patriotic another clump of quotes from the speaches. Buy the way, if I Lynched a Obama doll in Asbury Park, What would happen to me? Please reply From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:01:06 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection The secret service at Palin rallies, who keeps reporters from interviewing people in her crowds. You're believing THEM? Dana Milbank of The Washington Post writes that the Secret Service has been preventing reporters travelling with Sarah Palin from entering the crowd at her rallies to interview attendees. http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=13653 Then comes Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan to protest that it's really not so. But now, it seems, even the Secret Service, of all respected organizations, is infested with Orwellian spin. Because right there in the interview he gave to ProPublica, Donovan admits that the Secret Service does *exactly what Dana Milbank accused them of*: It refuses to let reporters out of their Secret Service pen, into the audience, at Palin rallies. ProPublica writes, paraphrasing Donovan, Donovan said that at rallies for all the candidates, the Secret Service sometimes separates the press corps that is credentialed to cover the event known as the poolfrom the general public. That is for logistical and security reasons, he said. --- The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of Palin Power and Sarahcuda T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers, she said. (B! said the crowd.) And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' she continued. (B! the crowd
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Seething in their bile. By the way: The REAL Patriots are in the process of voting all the Republican America-haters out of power. Buh- bye! On Oct 30, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Time will Tell. Patriots will watch and wait. From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:13:36 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection Maybe you guys are missing the point that Obama is the better candidate, the people like him, and you just can't come to grips with it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ wrote: I have never seen the media so blatantly cover one candidate over another. In the past it was more of a 60/40 spilt in favor of the liberal candiate. Not this time it is more like 80/20 if that. If Obama is elected there will be only one point of view and that will be with a liberal slant. Some numbers came out recently about it. Purely postive media coverage of Obama is about 67% For McCain it is about 36% Almost a 2 to 1 ration in favor of Obama. Those numbers are approximate. The Late night talk shows jokes are much worse. They tracked a period of weeks. There was about 276 jokes about McCain and 42 about Obama. 7 to 1 ratio. The Fairness Doctrine will be reinstated and will silence any other point of view. Well if it comes back maybe I can land a job with Air America :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Perception, Behavior, Taleb
Dig way, way down into Irrationality of The Right. On Oct 30, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Dig deeper into it than common sense. From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:06:00 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Perception, Behavior, Taleb Another attempt to get people to think about perception, how unreliable we are at it, how we are manipulated emotionally, react emotionally instead of rationally etc. Less far out there than the consciousness stuff. What is it they say about the unexamined life? http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 10/28/opinion/ 28brooks. html?em The New York Times Printer Friendly Format Sponsored By October 28, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist The Behavioral Revolution By DAVID BROOKS Roughly speaking, there are four steps to every decision. First, you perceive a situation. Then you think of possible courses of action. Then you calculate which course is in your best interest. Then you take the action. Over the past few centuries, public policy analysts have assumed that step three is the most important. Economic models and entire social science disciplines are premised on the assumption that people are mostly engaged in rationally calculating and maximizing their self-interest. But during this financial crisis, that way of thinking has failed spectacularly. As Alan Greenspan noted in his Congressional testimony last week, he was shocked that markets did not work as anticipated. I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such as that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms. So perhaps this will be the moment when we alter our view of decision-making. Perhaps this will be the moment when we shift our focus from step three, rational calculation, to step one, perception. Perceiving a situation seems, at first glimpse, like a remarkably simple operation. You just look and see what's around. But the operation that seems most simple is actually the most complex, it's just that most of the action takes place below the level of awareness. Looking at and perceiving the world is an active process of meaning-making that shapes and biases the rest of the decision-making chain. Economists and psychologists have been exploring our perceptual biases for four decades now, with the work of Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, and also with work by people like Richard Thaler, Robert Shiller, John Bargh and Dan Ariely. My sense is that this financial crisis is going to amount to a coming-out party for behavioral economists and others who are bringing sophisticated psychology to the realm of public policy. At least these folks have plausible explanations for why so many people could have been so gigantically wrong about the risks they were taking. Nassim Nicholas Taleb has been deeply influenced by this stream of research. Taleb not only has an explanation for what's happening, he saw it coming. His popular books Fooled by Randomness and The Black Swan were broadsides at the risk-management models used in the financial world and beyond. In The Black Swan, Taleb wrote, The government-sponsore d institution Fannie Mae, when I look at its risks, seems to be sitting on a barrel of dynamite, vulnerable to the slightest hiccup. Globalization, he noted, creates interlocking fragility. He warned that while the growth of giant banks gives the appearance of stability, in reality, it raises the risk of a systemic collapse when one fails, they all fail. Taleb believes that our brains evolved to suit a world much simpler than the one we now face. His writing is idiosyncratic, but he does touch on many of the perceptual biases that distort our thinking: our tendency to see data that confirm our prejudices more vividly than data that contradict them; our tendency to overvalue recent events when anticipating future possibilities; our tendency to spin concurring facts into a single causal narrative; our tendency to applaud our own supposed skill in circumstances when we've actually benefited from dumb luck. And looking at the financial crisis, it is easy to see dozens of errors of perception. Traders misperceived the possibility of rare events. They got caught in social contagions and reinforced each other's risk assessments. They failed to perceive how tightly linked global networks can transform small events into big disasters. Taleb is characteristically vituperative about the quantitative risk models, which try to model something that defies modelization. He subscribes to what he calls the tragic vision of humankind, which believes in the existence of inherent limitations and flaws in the way we think and act and requires an acknowledgement of this fact as a basis for any individual and collective action. If recent events
Re: [AsburyPark] Another...
Can We Impeach a President If He Bankrupted the Country? On Oct 30, 2008, at 9:57 PM, justifiedright wrote: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/30/tdeseno_1030/#comments If you leave comments over there they will likely have me write more, and you'll be rid of me here! See, everybody can win. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
VICTIM! On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe our moderator should take issue with those who continually initiate the off-topic baiting threads. Some of us can't always ignore the swiftboating. Maybe I need a primary on relatedness...what qualifies as being about or helpful to AP or not. I also need some guidence on selective enforcement v broad enforcement. Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It can go on for months with no one calling them troll or objecting because the topic has no dicrect AP relecvance. Perhaps the rule of relevancy is so broad that because AP'ers have to have money, any topic about money is OK? AP'er have to live in a house, so any topic about housing is OK? That's pretty broad. Well, AP is a town that is primalry Black, primarily poor and votes 4 to 1 Democrat. So I post a video about why Black and poor folks need to switch parties, and that is in no way AP related, while any post about national finance is? I think the problem here is teams. Most people see ideological teammates here. One of your teammates can ramble off Asbury Topic forever. Let a non- teammate go even tangentially topical and right away there is an uprising. It's always been a postion of mine that one of Asbury Park's most serious shortcomings is its complete refusal to track how decisions made at the county state and national leves affect them. Far more important than whether someone thinks a street light is too bright. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500 On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Perfect for FIXED NOISE!  On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Jennifer wrote: Tommy, there is an old southern saying that fits you well He likes to pick flyshit out of pepper. Personalizing? Yes. You don't burst my bubble. I have no bubble. You like to twist people's words, but avoid answering a direct question. I picked gay marriage as a topic of conservative fear inducing quotes because you jumped in that I was changing a topic by posting about gay marriage. You said liberals did this to avoid other topics. Okay! I never did get your response to the original quotes about the 2006 proposed amendment. They clearly are trying to use fear as a political tool. For all I know, Bush himself is gay. It doesn't matter. They are picking on the last permissible minority group in order to mobilize their base. How is that okay? You never did say how it is okay. I suspect that is because you know that it isn't and just don't like to ever admit to that. Clinton was wrong to sign DOMA. Clinton was wrong about a lot of things. I don't need or want to wholeheartedly support someone because they are members of a party. I guess that is where we differ. Hope that cleans up the pepper for you. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] So the Record is Clear
VICTIM! On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:10 PM, justifiedright wrote: Go over the day's posts. I never personalize. I never call anyone posting here any names or claim they have personal shortcomings. I will say they are wrong on an issue, but I make it a conscious point to not personalize. Now look at what is said of me - not my views, but me personally. Not complaining, just observing. Political discussions usually deteriorate to that. People tie all that they are to politics, forgetting it's just a tiny part of us and so much more to enjoy about us. Not many people can resist personalizing. Give it a try. Folks get to the end of a discussion when they don't personalize. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
The secret service at Palin rallies, who keeps reporters from interviewing people in her crowds. You're believing THEM? Dana Milbank of The Washington Post writes that the Secret Service has been preventing reporters travelling with Sarah Palin from entering the crowd at her rallies to interview attendees. http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=13653 Then comes Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan to protest that it's really not so. But now, it seems, even the Secret Service, of all respected organizations, is infested with Orwellian spin. Because right there in the interview he gave to ProPublica, Donovan admits that the Secret Service does *exactly what Dana Milbank accused them of*: It refuses to let reporters out of their Secret Service pen, into the audience, at Palin rallies. ProPublica writes, paraphrasing Donovan, Donovan said that at rallies for all the candidates, the Secret Service sometimes separates the press corps that is credentialed to cover the event known as the poolfrom the general public. That is for logistical and security reasons, he said. --- The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of Palin Power and Sarahcuda T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers, she said. (B! said the crowd.) And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' she continued. (B! the crowd repeated.) http://tinyurl.com/3wmg4c Kill him! proposed one man in the audience. - I have to say the Secret Service is in dangerous territory here. In cooperation with the Palin campaign, they've started preventing reporters from leaving the press section to interview people in the crowd. This is a serious violation of their duty -- protecting the protectee -- and gets into assisting with the political aspirations of the candidate. It also often makes it impossible for reporters to get into the crowd to question the people who say vulgar things. So they prevent reporters from getting near the people doing the shouting, then claim it's unfounded because the reporters can't get close enough to identify the person. http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45aid=152411 On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:58 PM, justifiedright wrote: The kill him incident has already been debunked by the secret service. The issued a report after an investigation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You are wrong. If you don't believe me, i'll be happy to post a video in which an elderly white man, outside a Palin rally, calls Obama a n word. Jack, I saw it on TV too. I also saw the guy with the Curious George doll labeled Obama. There was also one where someone yelled kill him during a Palin rally. I think McCain started to feel his conscious bothering him over these things. Inciting people to feel they can be openly hateful is dangerous. It brings out crowd psychology where people start to feel like everyone else in the group feels like they do and it is okay to act out. When its about hating a presidential candidate that is scary. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
Yeah. Right. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49Q7KJ20081028 On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Rock Musician wrote: THOSE DAYS ARE OVER GET WITH THE YEAR 2008. RACISM IS OVER !!! This election is not about race . It is about a President. Racism is a thing of the past unless you are racist. In that case it is not over for you and only you. Try this Go Back To School. Get A Good Job . Make more Money. And then you will see the truth. It is over that is history and only that. From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:17:09 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - - - - - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: And another...
Especially since The Red States have been completely realigned from the Disaster of The Bush Years and this barely applies anymore, we should all know, this letter started circulating somewhere around June of 2005, at least. On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:09 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: I hope this gets a wider read. super funny. however, if i were a red state republican i would shoot back that republicans supposedly have better and more sex...interesting right? playboy and some abc poll. but i think they are also more likely to be involved in scandals... Here's my message Dear Red States: We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California. To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms. Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire. With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, equoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all evangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties. Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico Peace out, The Blue States [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Garden State Film Festival
We are asking filmmakers to submit a short film illustrating the theme, Must be Something in the Water! which will kick off the opening night of the festival in the historic Paramount Theater in Asbury Park. The winning entry will be announced in this newsletter in March, the month before the festival. What makes GSFF and AP the perfect fit? Asbury Park brings to mind the joy of the boardwalk, its history as a cultural mecca, its artists and art lovers, top notch restaurants and its jazz and rock 'n roll heritage. Add a film festival to this vibrant mix and it's a natural or as the theme explains: Must Be Something in the Water! http://www.gsff.org/challenge2009.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
My, my! Untwist your panties, Myrtle. On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No moderates are voting for McCain. Not with Palin on the ticket. There's nothing moderate to vote for. Shows how much you know. I'm not even going to bother discussing anything with you anymore, because you're just a moron. I AM a moderate, don't you ever f*cking try to tell me what I am... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:41 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, my! Untwist your panties, Myrtle. On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: Are you fucking serious? Is there anyone in this group who is actually going to stick up for this guy and his comments like this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Amused. Yes, that definitely came across. Your utter amusement. On Oct 10, 2008, at 10:02 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank Goddess there's a place for straight, white men to feel proud. Whew! On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:08 AM, arcman210 wrote: I also know you are not less worth than me because I am a man and you are a woman. I never said that. Do not try to make it appear thats the way I feel by implying that I think I'm better than people beacuse of their gender or preference. Just as its allowed to have the parade thats held in Asbury to celebrate pride every year, I am allowed to take pride in myself for being who I am every day, and I don't have to be a woman or a gay man for it to be acceptable to have pride in myself. Nor do I get offended when I see others being proud of who they are. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its no problem to me. i know i am not worth less than a man. but you and your pride are going to get upset a lot. and john is going to play you again and again and again and again and tommy...i agree with John's disdain for the disease that is the current repub party AND i think he's being silly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
On Oct 10, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: Group Hug! and send some love to the market makers and traders. oh.. the portfolios holders too. LIQUID ASSETS If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you will have $49.00 today. If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago, you will have $33.00 today. If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers one year ago, you will have $0.00 today. But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for recycling refund, you would have received $214.00. Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily recycle. It is called the 401-Keg. A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year. Another study found that Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year. That means that, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon! Makes you proud to be an American! freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Money and financing....
Way to go, W! On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:42 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am conservative (fiscally) but an optimist. I beleive things in the residential credit markets will settle down over the next 6-10 months. Based on what - hope? Prices will continue to spiral down over the next year and banks won't be able to borrow money to lend, just like they can't right now. But all of this is trivial compared to what could happen soon: The Credit Default Swap market goes bad. Outstanding in that market is $24 trillion. That's TRILLION - with T. America can't bail business out of that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Interesting AP Press Letter
Not interesting at all. It just echoes what you've been posting over and over and over and over and... But, not interesting. Stand Up and Speak. On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:12 AM, justifiedright wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Uh. Where does Shut up and the right to speak intersect, again? On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: Why do people like you assert that folks like Ms. Lallo and me are attacking Springsteen's right to speak? We aren't. We are speaking too. We're sayhing, Shut up and Sing. By disagreeing with me, should I say you are attacking me right to speak? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. Celebrities have a right, like everyone else, to endorse a candidate. And they also have a right to show up at political rallies and speak their mind. If you do not want to listen, don't listen. Don't go to their concerts, rallies, change the channel or station etc. I think what people are really upset about is that an entertainer that they like disagrees with them about politics. Well, tough. And that their celebrity status gives them a bigger voice than yours. That's just life. There are people I hate to listen to as well, but I can't say that they should not have a right to speak because I disagree with them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists — their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
The Right only approves of the Free Market when it benefits Right Wingers, not the Left. And they, apparently, judging from their support of W. and McCain, have no use for self-made men. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: Using the shut up... logic Letterman - shut up and be funny Cartman - shut up and be a 2-d animated character Leno - Same as Letterman Peter Gabriel - same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped things in South Africa Pete Seegar - Same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped clean up waterways around our country, most notably the Hudson River. Saying Shut up and.. just says you could care less about freedom of speech. And when that woman who wrote the letter takes the time to mention how rich people like Bruce and Bon Jovi are, she fails to note that they came from humble beginnings. They worked their asses off at bar band wages for years, and then people bought their music, and they earned their money. That doesn't mean that their humble beginnings aren't still a part of who they are. \--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh. Where does Shut up and the right to speak intersect, again? On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: Why do people like you assert that folks like Ms. Lallo and me are attacking Springsteen's right to speak? We aren't. We are speaking too. We're sayhing, Shut up and Sing. By disagreeing with me, should I say you are attacking me right to speak? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. Celebrities have a right, like everyone else, to endorse a candidate. And they also have a right to show up at political rallies and speak their mind. If you do not want to listen, don't listen. Don't go to their concerts, rallies, change the channel or station etc. I think what people are really upset about is that an entertainer that they like disagrees with them about politics. Well, tough. And that their celebrity status gives them a bigger voice than yours. That's just life. There are people I hate to listen to as well, but I can't say that they should not have a right to speak because I disagree with them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
If Springsteen is not a credible source, imagine where that puts you... On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:32 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you answered your own questions. Consider the source. It's as simple as that. I don't think of Bruce Springsteen as a credible source of political information. He's never run for office, never proposed a real solution to an issue. He's no source of accurate political information. He sings songs. He is an entertainer! If he wanted to solve the world's problems, he could run for office... but he will never do that. He's got the money to finance a campaign, and apparently he's got all the ideas that can fix our society. If he cares so much, why doesn't he just run for office??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
You're the questioning one, grasshopper. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? In that case, how can you prove anyone's motivations? Does Bruce really care about the Iraq war ending? Or does he just support it because it's the popular thing to do? Only he knows the truth. I'm not saying he doesn't, but if you question one you must question all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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One is charismatic, plays to packed stadiums and wants to change the world. The other is Bono. Now a group of U2 fans, struck by the parallels between Barack Obama and the Irish rock star, have become one of the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee's most enthusiastic band of supporters. http://tinyurl.com/4w79d4 U2 fans for Obama, a collection of 103 U2 devotees, has raised almost $18,000 (EU12,200) for the presidential hopeful's campaign and organised more than 600 events to date. The group, whose website and blog are linked to the presidential candidate's official homepage, believe that since Bono can't run for U.S. president, Obama is the next best thing. Their blog declares that members see in Obama a progressive Christian who embodies the ideas and sentiments...so compelling in U2's music. The politician is already an avowed fan of the band, recently telling Rolling Stone magazine that U2 is on his iPod playlist. Bono attended the Democratic convention in Denver last week where he heard two U2 tracks, City of Blinding Lights and Beautiful Day, bookend Obama's acceptance speech early on Friday. Beautiful Day was also the musical backdrop a night earlier when Obama introduced Senator Joe Biden, his nominee for vice-president, to the Denver crowd. The U2 fans now rank as the 10th most active group on Obama's collection of small local fundraisers, modelled on a social networking site. Obama's website, my.barack obama.com, was developed by Chris Hughes, a co-founder of Facebook. It has more than 1m users and hundreds of diverse social networking groups, including Women for Obama, Veterans for Obama and Environmentalists for Obama. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... Bono is just an entertainer and look what he has done by being an entertainer (The ONE campaign). I think Jack has also listed a number of musicians who have inspired change. Bono never bashed a politician in his concerts. He promotes good things and is a terrific world activist... Bono even met with Bush at the White House a few years ago! And I doubt Bono would have voted for Bush or supported his candidacy. Bono did it because it was the way to get something done for a real cause, and not to make a statement and sell an album. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:00 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Bashing? On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: No need to get nasty with each other. This really didn't need to elevate beyond conversation to bashing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Yes! No talking on a talk show! On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: As much as I can't stand them, right now, I can hear the chicks on The View discussing politics, and Obama. If we are going to tell Bruce to shut up, shouldn't they be shutting up also? They have millions of viewers every single day. Probably more per single day then Bruce at all these rallies combined. Why isn't anybody, such as the original letter writer, bitching about that too? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:00 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Palin met with the Iraqi President on the same fake photo op. Are they sympatico now? On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:09 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One is charismatic, plays to packed stadiums and wants to change the world. The other is Bono. Now a group of U2 fans, struck by the parallels between Barack Obama and the Irish rock star, have become one of the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee's most enthusiastic band of supporters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
The Righties agreeing with each other. Alert the press. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. I'd be enlightened to know how that is the case. Please inform me on how exactly I'm in another universe of reality. Don't go there arcman. Your posts have been great and about the issues. He started personalizing with you. Don't accept Jack as a fair arbitor of that either. He will say both of you should stop, instead of taking to task just the guy who is doing it, because that guy is politically like-minded to him. Jack used to do that to me all the time. Just ignore that other guy when he starts personalizing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Oh he, of the unbiased posts. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:32 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, You are so off base. Read my comment. It wasn't addressed to any one person, it was merely placed as a reply in a reply after things got nasty. How dare you try and discredit me for trying to keep things civil. I didn't point a single finger, and for you to suggest I did is 100% wrong. The problem is you DIDN'T point the finger, Jack. Only one guy was personalizing; you shouldn't have dumped acrman in with him. Point the finger at the guy who is doing it. Go over his posts for the past two or three weeks. He peronalized repeatedly with me and I just simply didn't respond. You said nothing. NOTHING. Had I responded, you would have jumped in and said this stuff now has to stop. You say nothing when someone of your political thinking personalizes repeatedy, but become feux arbitrator of civility when the target responds. Arcman peronalized nothing. You can't take him to task for anything. Now take to task by name the one guy who did personlize, or you'll lose all creditbility. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
The problem for The Right, of course, is that LONG AGO, they lost the culture war and they're pretending there's a battle still to be won. It's over. They lost. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:49 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin is not a role model for me and not just bc of her views... I think she is a pretty terrible person actually.Inciting violence, spreading lies. The press can't get near her. She only speaks in rehearsed sound bites. Troper-gate. Making women pay for rape kits. I have made my views clear before. One could make an argument that Madonna, by pushing the limits about how we think about sex is polital, much like the sexual revolution and women's lib in general is polital. I also take offense to you referring to any woman as a slut, and I would refer you to a book entitled Slut! which is an interesting look at women and their sexuality and how terms like slut have been used against womenm (often by other women) to socially destroy a woman for being sexual. Madonna had no reason to bash Sarah Palin. Madonna's comments were not against a view of Palin's, they weren't critical of her views... they were just anti-Palin for being Republican. In other concerts, she placed the image of John McCain next to an image of Adolf Hitler. One of the most gutless insulting things I had ever read about an entertainer doing. Those kind of images insult me because I am a McCain voter, so according to her, I am also an anti-Semite. That is extremely offensive to me, and I have every right to be extremely angry with her actions. Madonna's music isn't about politics, and her sexual statements aren't political, they are to sell albums and make money. She proves her lack of knowledge with her words and actions. Sarah Palin as a politician IS a role model to many women and not just conservative women. Maybe she isn't you're role model, but I sure respect her for the things she has been able to accomplish, and I don't even agree with her on many of her issues. I personally know two women who idolize her because of her place in society, and those women are voting for Barack Obama because they are Democrats. They were Hillary supporters before Barack was chosen, but they still support Barack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
What strange little boxes you put people in. On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:26 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce writes songs that discuss current events. There is no difference. There is no difference in their credibility either. You can't call on Bruce to shut up and sing without telling everybody to shut up. The validity of what the folks on The View say is nothing different then the validity of Bruce. Both are expressing opinions. They view is a show about discussion. They give their opinions but also have to defend them. Bruce doesn't discuss politics with anyone, he just rants to crowds at his shows because he has a stage and a mircophone. He has never debated anyone on the subject of politics, unlike the hosts of The View, and every other TV show on cable which discusses politics. People tune into The View to hear what they have to say, because they want to hear what the women on the show have to say. If someone doesn't care about what they have to say, they don't have to watch the show. Nobody tunes in because they like to hear the Whoopi sing for 1 hour... they want to hear her opinions. Fans don't put Born to Run in their cd player to hear Bruce talk about the election. They want to hear his songs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Nobody tunes in because they like to hear the Whoopi sing for 1 hour... http://tinyurl.com/4z876q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8dbqKZ2KA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2zg36qf9co Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Almost all of the political topics were started by someone other than me. Just not true, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
No moderates are voting for McCain. Not with Palin on the ticket. There's nothing moderate to vote for. On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:05 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Righties agreeing with each other. Alert the press. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, justifiedright wrote: First of all, I'm actually a moderate who is voting for McCain. JR is just sticking up for the candidate he is voting for, just like you stand up for yours. By the way, I'm still waiting for your incredible wisdom to enlighten me as to how I'm in another universe of reality. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] How to Respond to A Heckler
Uh. Who's screwing up the country? Last time anyone checked, it was Bush, the Republicans and the people who voted them into office. The only people who ask people to move to another country because they disagree with them are The Nazis and The Taliban. Which are you? On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Rock Musician wrote: You are so outta touch with life and reallity! maybe you should just move to a different country and stop screwing up this one. - Original Message From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:12:44 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] How to Respond to A Heckler The soldiers in Iraq are NOT fighting for our freedoms. Who knows, at this point, WHAT they're fighting for. We didn't get the oil. There's no democracy. Our freedoms were never the point. Of the 7,000 reasons the Bushies made up, week after week. Besides, our freedoms do not emanate from military efforts or from the Pentagon. Our constitution is not under attack in Iraq. Speaking of Palin's Nazi Rallies and her Nazi-ettes. This lame comeback is hardly the top story about her today. This is: http://www.care2. com/news/ member/434996229 /902414 On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Ooo, SaraCuda ! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=gvGI2pTDcvw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
I did not introduce that word in the conversation, but just wondered what it would feel like. On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: with all the ass in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality. Its basically about getting over ourselves and one of the greatest lines is I'm an ass your an ass. and well, its pretty true we are all asses on some level. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis? On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Plus: It does seem you have a kind of microphone: A newspaper column and your incessant political posts here. On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:06 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career. John why do you personalize things with other members of the group like the above? That doesn't help you convince people of anything. You can do better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
The idea of Shut Up was introduced by your side. It's OK for you guys to say it but no one else? Schwet. Must be nice. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:17 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Baseball games are not inherently about ideas. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:18 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
