Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
On Nov 25, 2007 9:24 PM, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 39:4-90. Right of way at intersections: The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right. Good old title 39, hah. O.k. so you have two vehicles in an intersection, you've arrived at the same time. Each of you is facing each other and following title 39 to the letter. To each of you, the other is the vehicle 'on the left'. Now what? NJ traffic codes were written by personal injury attorneys I'm convinced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
That statute will apply to any uncontrolled intersection, circles included. The manual Mario posted actually says the same as the statute (but the manual isn't a law so it wouldn't govern if it were differnt). First in has right of way, if at the same time, yield to the right. Chris as to your other question about two vehicles arriving at an uncontrolled intersection at the same time while facing one another, they will only encounter one another if one is making a left turn. There is a separate statute that says left turning vehicles must yield. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris kingsqueak@ wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means... That's at an intersection (90 degrees). Chris is talking about yielding entering a circle or merging with a road. I always thought that vehicle in the circle had the right of way. That seems not to be the case in NJ. My motto - He who hesitates is lost. Floor it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
I know that entry too! Hairy, isn't the word! I'm a driver for over 50 years, remember road courtesy, you know, letting someone into a lane, allowing them to get over, letting them turn first, because of backed up traffic and I still get honked, fists raised in the air, get cussed at, because I can read their lips, etc. Road courtesy seems to be a thing of the past, so when someone extends it to me now, I get all choked up, that there are still those out there, that were raised right! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means...you judge the pace of the traffic and proceed in matching that pace. Instead, people stop dead in a panic. One favorite example is the exit 88 Parkway Northbound entrance...holy hell that one is hairy and it's a simple merge that people can't negotiate. If people were competent drivers, circles would be a wonderful thing. The reality is, most people can't drive, they just aren't competent. Jughandles are a great invention, they don't allow people to do stupid things as easily. They can be annoying, but they serve the lowest common denominator very nicely. One thing I wish is that NJ would just have a standard and apply it uniformly. Now you have jughandles in some places, circles in others and fully signal controlled 'normal' intersections with turn lanes and direction signals. It's bad enough being a 'local' to these variations, people from out of the area have no hope. I've quit riding my motorcycle here, I've given up. The average driver is just so incompetent that it's not worth the risk to me. On Nov 25, 2007 2:12 PM, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, No disrespect, but a picture, does not replace reality. There are red yield signs, on Rt. 33 West, making the dominant, county road, the yielder, instead of the inner circle, stopping, than proceeding with caution, traffic permitting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
You are correct, but some drivers, don't yield to that rule! I seem to have a feel for what they are going to do, by the way I see their vehicle veering. If the guy on the left doesn't yield, I let the dummy, go, think to myself, he/she probably didn't see me; any excuse to keep my own blood pressure, from going up and just go along, my merry, undented, way! La-de-da! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris kingsqueak@ wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means... 39:4-90. Right of way at intersections: The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
Mario, No disrespect, but a picture, does not replace reality. There are red yield signs, on Rt. 33 West, making the dominant, county road, the yielder, instead of the inner circle, stopping, than proceeding with caution, traffic permitting. The flow west stops, causing a back up to Wyckoff Rd., where the traffic signal is. Imagine, approaching the Collingswood Cirle/roundabout, or whatever the latest trend, is. On the opposite eastbound lane, same thing! There's more traffic, going west and east than north and south, clogging up a main artery, which was tricky before this latest *uckup, if you pardon, the gutter language, but to a driver, it's scary as hell! You don't want to be rear-ended for YIELDING, nor do you want a left sided fender-bender, for the inside lane car, having the right of way! Either way, no matter which way you enter this roundabout mess, guaranteed to make a professinal driver wince, going around, will either end in a whew or an aw-shit, that was close, situation, if you manage to dodge the proverbial bullet! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/24/2007 11:11:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle Actually the featured picture of the Routes 33 34 Roundabout in Wall is pretty uncomplicated. _A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/25circlesnj.html?_r=1ref=n yregionspecial2oref=slogin) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means...you judge the pace of the traffic and proceed in matching that pace. Instead, people stop dead in a panic. One favorite example is the exit 88 Parkway Northbound entrance...holy hell that one is hairy and it's a simple merge that people can't negotiate. If people were competent drivers, circles would be a wonderful thing. The reality is, most people can't drive, they just aren't competent. Jughandles are a great invention, they don't allow people to do stupid things as easily. They can be annoying, but they serve the lowest common denominator very nicely. One thing I wish is that NJ would just have a standard and apply it uniformly. Now you have jughandles in some places, circles in others and fully signal controlled 'normal' intersections with turn lanes and direction signals. It's bad enough being a 'local' to these variations, people from out of the area have no hope. I've quit riding my motorcycle here, I've given up. The average driver is just so incompetent that it's not worth the risk to me. On Nov 25, 2007 2:12 PM, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, No disrespect, but a picture, does not replace reality. There are red yield signs, on Rt. 33 West, making the dominant, county road, the yielder, instead of the inner circle, stopping, than proceeding with caution, traffic permitting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
When I first moved (back) to NJ, I asked someone about the jug handle thing and he told me the insurance companies lobbied for them because they were going broke paying for left hand turn accident claims. On Nov 25, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Chris wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means...you judge the pace of the traffic and proceed in matching that pace. Instead, people stop dead in a panic. One favorite example is the exit 88 Parkway Northbound entrance...holy hell that one is hairy and it's a simple merge that people can't negotiate. If people were competent drivers, circles would be a wonderful thing. The reality is, most people can't drive, they just aren't competent. Jughandles are a great invention, they don't allow people to do stupid things as easily. They can be annoying, but they serve the lowest common denominator very nicely. One thing I wish is that NJ would just have a standard and apply it uniformly. Now you have jughandles in some places, circles in others and fully signal controlled 'normal' intersections with turn lanes and direction signals. It's bad enough being a 'local' to these variations, people from out of the area have no hope. I've quit riding my motorcycle here, I've given up. The average driver is just so incompetent that it's not worth the risk to me. On Nov 25, 2007 2:12 PM, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, No disrespect, but a picture, does not replace reality. There are red yield signs, on Rt. 33 West, making the dominant, county road, the yielder, instead of the inner circle, stopping, than proceeding with caution, traffic permitting.
[AsburyPark] Re: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle - New York T...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means... 39:4-90. Right of way at intersections: The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris kingsqueak@ wrote: It has always been the rule, that you yield to the left. The trouble is that most people don't understand that, nor do they really understand what yield means... That's at an intersection (90 degrees). Chris is talking about yielding entering a circle or merging with a road. I always thought that vehicle in the circle had the right of way. That seems not to be the case in NJ. My motto - He who hesitates is lost. Floor it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/24/2007 11:11:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Shift, but for Some Drivers, a Vicious Circle Actually the featured picture of the Routes 33 34 Roundabout in Wall is pretty uncomplicated. The problem is NJ drivers;-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
