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L I as in Long Island ?? Or a Typo I I as in eye-eye captain Or Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jaede...@... wrote: Ll Sent via BlackBerry Bold -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@... Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:10 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07712@ writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? = Thanks Mario, that's more in my budget. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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L I as in my 5 year old niece picked up my Blackberry and mashed buttons. Sorry for the nosensical post. I know that's Sent via BlackBerry Bold -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:08:07 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels L I as in Long Island ?? Or a Typo I I as in eye-eye captain Or Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jaede...@... wrote: Ll Sent via BlackBerry Bold -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@... Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:10 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07712@ writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? = Thanks Mario, that's more in my budget. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Nice thought, but the thing about living here, is WE have to worry, since a 13M deficit, will result in loss of some services. I just hate it, when someone posts that we shouldn't worry about how Asbury Park looks, just fiddle while Rome burns, huh? If you don't live here, please keep your cheeky little criticism to yourself! If you want to visit, just visit and don't come down or up here, with a pen and pad, to note what you don't like about this town. It's bad enough, when we ourselves KNOW what SHOULD have been done, was illegal to have been done, taking liberties with property you DON'T own, just because you developed a portion of the City. Nobody elected YOU, Mr. Developer, so please heed the laws like everybody else! Some of us DO frequent the restaurants, shops and what have you, but there are those who just can't afford the high priced drinks and what passes for food! I'm not one of them, but I sometimes feel like I'm being fleeced at the door, so I go elsewhere! A woman's perogative. Some of you snotty nosed, corporate types, won't be able to afford it either when you retire! No, I don't go to those early bird senior places, yet! I found myself in a modest priced restaurant one day and the waitress asked , do you want the senior special? I looked puzzled at my spouse, wondering what the waitress was talking about, then she realized, I didn't either and explained that on Wednesday, Seniors get a discount! Yep, it was Wednesday and I didn't know these deals existed! I began paying attention in restaurants since my hair IS gray! I hadn't really thought of myself as a Senior until that moment. Oh well! Anyway, Asbury Park USED to be affordable to any income. It no longer is, so for those of us who have 10 plus years invested in calling this place, home, I hope you see the point I'm making. If AP keeps pricing out long-timers, the economy will force many of us to leave and then you bottomless pits of money can have the place, to yourself! So what happened to the 1st Ave. Pavilion, that USED to be the Senior Center? Inquiring minds want to know! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07...@... writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The unions are the reason Obama is in office you will see how much he throws thbeir way when he is in office. Don't expect any change he has all insiders in his administration. He will be a little lighter in the wallet Blago got caught selling his Senate seat no cut for him. There was always a lot of crime by those left behind becauee they are owed, they are entitled. This is true even when the economy is good. Haven't read anything on this board about those that were left behind that were mugging people in AP during the black out. The greedy were stung by Madoff. He will be sorry the people he crossed will kill him. You don't like Condi Rice because she can speak English and can complete a sentence without throwing an Ax or a duh in there. The same is true of Colin Powell neither of which you can hold a candle. Maybe Bush should have selected Fat Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson they would have represented the US much better. Maybe Jesse Jackson Jr could have bought the seat like he tried to do in Chicago. Yes indeed people elected Obama because of his vast experience after all he was a communite organizer. All I can say is I hope some of you, or your families, cross paths with the people that are released from Gitmo. Probably the last thing you will see before the end. America is all about money. Work on getting some instead of whining about it. When Obama is president who will you complain about? Blacks are the only minority in the country just ask them. That one way ticket is still here waiting. How about Africa? They don't care if you are black there they will kill you anyway. Still hating the country. From: sharon_b283 sharon_b...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:19:50 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels Staggering wealth for only a few, glamorized constantly on TV and the internet. There's a LOT of crime, committed by those who feel left behind! Those of us who aren't overtaken by the false images are the conscience of a country and government run amok, which is why Obama won the election. The American people aren't asleep because we voted with our feet. As far as extraordinary thinking, thank Bush for thinking that he can run a country on less taxes for the rich, okay? That's why 750 Billion was given away to Wall St. and the industry that could use some help was told to go to hell! Bush is still running amok, giving part of the 750B to the auto industry! All of the positions HE gave, were to his friends who had NO expertise for the agencies they were hired to run! Ask Condi Rice! She can play a MEAN piano, but has NO expertise in the State Department! She's too busy proving that she's worthy! Same for the singing Attorney General from Missouri, who placed drapes over statues he found to be racy in the Halls of Justice, or the short Alberto Gonzalez who thought it to be perfectly normal to torture prisoners at Abu Graib and Gitmo! No dear, Bush executed a smooth coup d'etat, when he took office, thanks to his father, the former head of the CIA and the Carlyle Group, okay? He couldn't do it for himself, but he sure gave Junior what he wanted, so appearances aren't what they seem. The Bushes set about to destroy any semblance of a democracy here and in the Middle East, by occupying countries they deemed to be THEIR Manifest Destiny! It's what entitlement is all about! If you think viewing porn on the internet, substitutes the real thing, I have a bridge I want to sell you! You're right about one thing, America IS all about money! --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote: what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Ll Sent via BlackBerry Bold -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:10 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07...@... writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? = Thanks Mario, that's more in my budget. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, we are all having fun. Some of us will be heading to Watermark to watch the snow fall on the beach while sipping cocktails. You will be sitting in front of your computer waiting for someone to take the bait. Go have some fun and stop worrying about Asbury Park or the lights or the meters. Stop laying in bed worrying about AP (7am post?), some of us like the way it is...it keeps it hip friendly not all of us want AP to turn into a family friendly place .(keep AP as an adult playground.. families have OG, Bradley, long branch, wildwood, point etc ) jeez, your posts sound just like someone else who posts here (maybe we should all have multiple screen names so we can talk to ourselves). Merry Christmas and stop worrying having fun is not a bad thing. And I don't drive a Mercedes either, but my weekend car is a Porsche. Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? You chew me out for not being local yet I seem to care more about whats going on than you do. I dont drive a mercedes BTW. Were you just blowing smoke when you asked about the budget, not a peep since the information was posted. How about it? Some questions about why a 7 year redevelopment has put the city 13 million in hock? Instead of rambling about... well I cant really figure out what you ramble about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can move to conscious capitalism. just a choice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't get it. While I agree with you on certain things, why is it important to you to attack people? What's in it for you? If you are so concerned, then why not move here and try and make a difference? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? You chew me out for not being local yet I seem to care more about whats going on than you do. I dont drive a mercedes BTW. Were you just blowing smoke when you asked about the budget, not a peep since the information was posted. How about it? Some questions about why a 7 year redevelopment has put the city 13 million in hock? Instead of rambling about... well I cant really figure out what you ramble about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can move to conscious capitalism. just a choice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07...@... wrote: Yes, we are all having fun. Some of us will be heading to Watermark to watch the snow fall on the beach while sipping cocktails. You will be sitting in front of your computer waiting for someone to take the bait. Go have some fun and stop worrying about Asbury Park or the lights or the meters. Stop laying in bed worrying about AP (7am post?), some of us like the way it is...it keeps it hip friendly not all of us want AP to turn into a family friendly place .(keep AP as an adult playground.. families have OG, Bradley, long branch, wildwood, point etc ) jeez, your posts sound just like someone else who posts here (maybe we should all have multiple screen names so we can talk to ourselves). Merry Christmas and stop worrying having fun is not a bad thing. And I don't drive a Mercedes either, but my weekend car is a Porsche. Go buy some art and have fun. = While you and others are out having fun enjoying the successes of developers and some entrepenurs the City sinks into a financial black hole. The fun will be short lived if the host dies of economic starvation. A $13M deficit does not concern you? Some group members actually think of the holistic situation and consider the public's rights before those of developers and self indulgence. Hip, Friendly, Adult Playground... does not address the issue at all, why even bring that up? In spite of your accolades do you want Asbury Park to die for lack of financial solvency? It's most likely that not being local, living the tortured road that is Asbury Park's recent legacy, allows Newbee to crystallize the problem into simple terms. Fresh eyes on a problem should be welcomed. If you feel that a City $13M in debt is not a problem, you should rethink your priorities while sipping those cocktails. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote: I don't get it. While I agree with you on certain things, why is it important to you to attack people? What's in it for you? If you are so concerned, then why not move here and try and make a difference? = Jack, I seem to recall that Gabbi started the hostilities with Nwbee. I also remember a consensus that one need not live here to care. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07...@yahoo.com writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07...@... writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? = Thanks Mario, that's more in my budget. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery. Great variety of gift-boxed items too. _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/) In a message dated 12/19/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark07...@... writes: Yes, we are all having fun Merry Christmas and stop worrying Go buy some art and have fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? = Thanks Mario, that's more in my budget. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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... We live our life in one giant Ponzi Scheme. The Stock market, credit cards and loans. We all contribute via TAXES. Maybe it's a reverse ponzi... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'm not surprised you don't get my ramblings. I was responding to Jack. He regularly expresses concern about materialism/over consumption and the like. Commodity Fetishism is a term coined by Marx to describe a part of the behavior that seems to concern Jack. It was helpful to me to read about it so I wanted to share it with him. Great thinkers, different ideas often shed light on issues. Carl Jung gives me some comfort, Paul Krugman...I like to share. yes, I regularly have fun. I enjoyed a little of the Cameo last night a little of Paradise. Sometimes I don't have fun. Often the day is filled with the ordinary concerns of feeding, clothing and sheltering myself. yeah i should probably pay more attention, though i don't care about the time lines, AP continues to get more beautiful all the time. The lights are really pretty right now. i would care about gross malfeasance, which may or may not be happening. its jersey after all. its the US after all. the entire planet is in debt so 13 million in AP isn't going to make me lose sleep. i'm not gonna freak over the budget when few others seem to be. did you read it? The things that have concerned me have been the community. the lower income people. Is there enough care and reverence for them. I have learned that there is a huge amount of community care in this town. I feel pretty confident that someone doing the best that they can with shitty circumstances is cared for here. Is that care the best it could be? probably not. Our entire approach toward social justice could use a revolution. I loathe the help approach, I think people help others so that they can feel better about themselves as opposed to seeing others as ourselves. its a big question, how best do we serve. you could have a lengthy series of discussions on it, which I would love. I am still fantasizing about idea festivals. I just care about different things than you. and I am in love with AP. Maybe you have difficulty with love. Maybe your sad because you don't love your town. Like one of those people in a passionless relationship enviously watching a juicy couple dig one another. AP is the hot couple. You and your town appear to be loveless. yeah we have our issues and you and your mystery town have yours. i don't actually think you are a genuine person coming from a genuine place. some kind of schemer stoking shit perhaps. who knows. im gonna get back to lovin the town i live in. warts and all. thats what love is newbee. and the world could could use lots more of it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? You chew me out for not being local yet I seem to care more about whats going on than you do. I dont drive a mercedes BTW. Were you just blowing smoke when you asked about the budget, not a peep since the information was posted. How about it? Some questions about why a 7 year redevelopment has put the city 13 million in hock? Instead of rambling about... well I cant really figure out what you ramble about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can
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AP is the Hot Couple! Gabrielle, I can always count on you for at least one great new phrase per post. :-) My ramblings this morning follow a pot of Artisan, Fair Trade, Organic, Cuban Style, Espresso Blend, Freshly Roasted, 100% Arabica Coffee from Asbury Park Roastery. Got all the errands done early. So Let it Snow, Let it Snow As long as it clears up for Collide-A-Scope tonight... In a message dated 12/19/2008 12:46:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gabrielleo...@yahoo.com writes: I'm not surprised you don't get my ramblings. I was responding to Jack I just care about different things than you. and I am in love with APAP is the hot couple. ... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: So..., Have you asked any questions lately? Or are you still too busy just having fun and not caring about timetables? **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The hits just keep on coming. I wonder what the guy in the Mercedes is doing these days? What makes you think that if you have money you don't question anything? If you want to keep it you better question everything! Americans have become very lazy and relationships require work. A computer you can turn on and off. From: Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:09:40 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AC - Asbury Park Parallels --- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can move to conscious capitalism. just a choice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: McGreevey = Parallels Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. We worship it more then we worship our own history. It also may be the case that American's care less about historic buildings then they used to because our entertainment choices are moving more toward passive stay at home thing. Our youth is happier online then in the real world. I saw results from a poll yesterday that showed about half of us would rather give up sex then the internet. I recently got the current issue of Weird NJ and there was a depressing article about the current fate of Waterloo Village, which is very similar to Allaire State Park. It's currently rotting away and abandoned since last year, because of NJ budget cuts. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: Demolition of cultural and historic sites in the name of Redevelopment. 2008 NJ Endangered Historic Site: http://tinyurl.com/6ywp8n To be demolished: http://tinyurl.com/5z79l3 Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. We worship it more then we worship our own history. Lots and lots of money to knock down and build newer, higher and bigger - as long as you have someone else's money and fuzzy projections. Once they make the road WIDER further cutting off /east /west access, they'll hire new consultants to come up with a plan to make it safer to cross - like making it narrower. Lots of money in the fund that has to be spent otherwise the casinos will be asking for it back. With the decrease in casinos and revenues, has the state reduced the size of the Casino Control Commisson... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote: I saw results from a poll yesterday that showed about half of us would rather give up sex then the internet. Why give it up? Nothing like having a laptop (or two) in bed. Instant gratification - shopping and sex at the same time. We had a threesome: me, my wife and the laptop Sorry. I have work to do. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a symptom of a cultures reliance on a consumer mentality? America is all about money. google commodity fetishism. read guy debord's society of the spectacle, you can read it online. i don't know what it means to be a marxist, i enjoy my ipod touch, my poison free cleaning products and organic lotions, but he knew what was coming. people think anything can be bought. women turn themselves into products all the time. and think their products make them. a few years ago my then young beauty of a dog was leaning out the window of my car. an man in a mercedes pulled up. how much for her? i explained she wasn't for sale. aw come on, everybody's got a price. clearly the woman in the passenger seat did. what's real is rising. you gotta remember we live in a county of staggering wealth. as long as people have their hundred grand coming in, they aren't gonna question anything. we aren't exactly swimming in a community pool of extraordinary thinking. pretty mainstream TV thinking going on here. work, spawn, consume and compare is pretty much the extent of most peoples' existence. as for the internet instead of sex...and if it was the same poll I saw it was the women opting out...maybe they are watching youporn. or more likely they are in a relationship, the intention of which was not to have a lover, it was to be a couple in a couple obsessed culture, not to connect the masculine and feminine in a fun and delicious way. we're still too repressed to have that as an intent. there are some thinkers that connect sexual repression/shame with fascism. late capitalism. we can move to conscious capitalism. just a choice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
