[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! AsburyCouple, Aren't complaints about Asbury Park's lighting overstated, because what is good or bad is really in the eye of the beholder? There's certainly no real objective standard despite anyone's attempt to make one, because it truly is a matter of peronal likes and dislikes. Anecdotally: When I was growing up, the sign from Freddy's Pizza on Asbury Avenue could be seen from by bedroom window. There was a street light outside, too. I was used to all the light. When I went to law school I lived in a 300 year old Manor House in the middle of 40 acres in the woods. My first night I was there alone. I shut out the bedroom light and couldn't believe the complete and total darkness. I tried waving my hand directly in front of my wide open eyes, and there was nothing - like I was blind. Dead silence too. At first I didn't like it.Wasn't me. I didn't feel at home without that Freddy's Pizza sign or the sound of cars and people. However, after about a month, I LOVED IT! I understood the rural concept. There isn't a loneliness like I feared. Instead there's a sense of ownership, of home. That piece of the Universie is yours - you control it and know it and it's a defensive postion: Someone who wants me is going to be at a great disadvantage getting to me. My back to Asbury point is: I unltimately didn't have to choose. My enjoyment of lighting or no lighting was not mutually exclusive. I could dig them both. So what's the big deal? It's lighting. It will affect people differently. A giant so what. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would also be refreshing to complain about the fact that the Arthur Pryor Bandshell will probably never see the light of day again, because people have given a free pass to MM to do whatever they want. They don't seem to care either. Everyone is distracted with the new stores and shops. Don't get me wrong, I think they're very nice, and great additions to the boardwalk. Langosta Lounge, Stella Marina, and The Watermark are all opening soon... and the taco place is going to start serving beer (according to their sign)... plenty of places for people to go and things to do... people seem to not notice the rotting roof over the stage of the bandshell. Really makes that pavilion look like you know what. Still waiting for MM to come out with their agenda for next summer... lets see if it includes things they said they would finish last summer, including the green spaces, 2nd ave pavilion, and bandshell... oh and lets not forget the 2010 target date to open the new eastern portion of the casino... a year and a half until that summer comes along, yet still no design or concept of what it might include. And scaffolding still remains in tatters on the north side of the Paramount theate... with a black shroud tangled on one of the light fixtures. Not to mention the lobby into Convention Hall still falling apart, and the patched concrete poured over the beautiful terazzo floor in the grand arcade. Lets not hope this is how they intend on leaving the renovations, because they really are just seem to be patching up everything. Man does it feel good to talk about Asbury Park again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
Tom, I wasn't commenting on the lighting one way or the other - just that it was great to actually see someone bringing up a topic about Asbury Park again for a change. Political discussions are one thing but the personal attacks going back and forth get pretty old pretty fast. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! AsburyCouple, Aren't complaints about Asbury Park's lighting overstated, because what is good or bad is really in the eye of the beholder? There's certainly no real objective standard despite anyone's attempt to make one, because it truly is a matter of peronal likes and dislikes. Anecdotally: When I was growing up, the sign from Freddy's Pizza on Asbury Avenue could be seen from by bedroom window. There was a street light outside, too. I was used to all the light. When I went to law school I lived in a 300 year old Manor House in the middle of 40 acres in the woods. My first night I was there alone. I shut out the bedroom light and couldn't believe the complete and total darkness. I tried waving my hand directly in front of my wide open eyes, and there was nothing - like I was blind. Dead silence too. At first I didn't like it.Wasn't me. I didn't feel at home without that Freddy's Pizza sign or the sound of cars and people. However, after about a month, I LOVED IT! I understood the rural concept. There isn't a loneliness like I feared. Instead there's a sense of ownership, of home. That piece of the Universie is yours - you control it and know it and it's a defensive postion: Someone who wants me is going to be at a great disadvantage getting to me. My back to Asbury point is: I unltimately didn't have to choose. My enjoyment of lighting or no lighting was not mutually exclusive. I could dig them both. So what's the big deal? It's lighting. It will affect people differently. A giant so what. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
I saw work being done on the band shell over the summer. i have no idea what the plans are but it seems if there were plans to get rid of it, they wouldn't have been cleaning it up??? no idea. i understand the concern and even some of the complaints. i am fascinated by the willingness to go after MM but not the city leadership. every summer i have been here, asbury has taken a step up, the last two significantly so. i imagine that is what everyone wants, so then why the constant griping? can everything happen overnight? i personally would like to see things happen slowly even if with fits and starts than end up with some cheap architectural puke like long branch, which ap will never be even if the only historical architectural threads are convention hall the hojo bldg and the carousel bdg. when we don't take care of things they die. i have romantic childhood memories of asbury too, but the present is a pretty good time as well. and i am so psyched for the italian place. can't wait to live beyond my means with a cocktail on that roof! got lucky and wandered into the biz card exchange at langosta, it looks awesome. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so then why the constant griping? can everything happen overnight? i personally would like to see things happen slowly even if with fits and starts than end up with some cheap architectural puke like long branch, which ap will never be even if the only historical architectural threads are convention hall the hojo bldg and the carousel bdg. when we don't take care of things they die. i have romantic childhood memories of asbury too, but the present is a pretty good time as well. I don't know about everyone else, but my biggest concern is for Convention Hall. The building cant just get a half-ass renovation, in my opinion. I know there are others who agree. Just take a look at the rest of the building, not the south entrance to the arcade. Everything else is in worse shape than ever. And when the building sits there for an entire summer of beautiful weather, when plenty of work could be done, its just sad to see it continue to be neglected. One eighth of the building being restored isnt a restoration... its a patch job. Work has stopped, theres no doubt about it. Its not that they're working slow on it, its that they're not working on it at all... whats the status of the company doing the restoration? Did they go under? Or maybe they're not getting paid? Something is going on with the restoration (or should I say not going on). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
ok i hear your concern, and again maybe in my case ignorance is bliss, but i spend a lot of time in there, walk and ride through it on a regular basis go to otools, the bb etc..and there is usually something going on in terms of work, small construction, or simply maintenance. and it looks better on the whole than it did 6 months ago. we may have to tolerate slow growth depending on the economy and it doesn't look so good today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: ... I've never seen anyone so quick to tell the world that what someone else has paid to do is wrong. From lighting to landscaping to building color and construction .. == ...beachfront, ConHall, Pavilions, Parking lots, BCH, parks all over the City. Perhaps if its heard from another source it will be taken seriously... http://tinyurl.com/4hmqjy ... Light pollution in New Jersey is horrific, said Meredith Nole of Montclair, a lighting professional and immediate past president of the Illuminating Engineering Society of North America's New Jersey section. There's glare almost everywhere you turn, and glare is not good lighting, said Nole, who copes with four bright white lights in a nearby sports field that shine through a bedroom window in her apartment We'd be much better off as a society if there was good lighting as opposed to highly wasteful glare lighting everywhere you go, Nole said. The average person or official is clueless about the light pollution issue, she said. Whenever she brings up residential or street light pollution, it falls on deaf ears, Nole said Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
Maybe it would also be refreshing to complain about the fact that the Arthur Pryor Bandshell will probably never see the light of day again, because people have given a free pass to MM to do whatever they want. Yesterday, I saw Gary M. tell a women that she couldn't walk her dog on the boardwalk. I guess he's now the mayor of the boardwalk. Personally, I think dogs enhance the boardwalk in the non summer months, and maybe I'll get a summons for ignoring Mayor M's anti-dog campaign. Meanwhile, cats get to live in a place with a million dollar view --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: ... I've never seen anyone so quick to tell the world that what someone else has paid to do is wrong. From lighting to landscaping to building color and construction .. == ...beachfront, ConHall, Pavilions, Parking lots, BCH, parks all over the City. Perhaps if its heard from another source it will be taken seriously... http://tinyurl.com/4hmqjy ... Light pollution in New Jersey is horrific, said Meredith Nole of Montclair, a lighting professional and immediate past president of the Illuminating Engineering Society of North America's New Jersey section. There's glare almost everywhere you turn, and glare is not good lighting, said Nole, who copes with four bright white lights in a nearby sports field that shine through a bedroom window in her apartment We'd be much better off as a society if there was good lighting as opposed to highly wasteful glare lighting everywhere you go, Nole said. The average person or official is clueless about the light pollution issue, she said. Whenever she brings up residential or street light pollution, it falls on deaf ears, Nole said Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
Good God! Has Mr. Bradley reincarnated within Mr. Mottola? Did you see a tape measure or a stick? All joking aside, I believe that there are stark differences between complaining and making a point, think about it. Nice to see less politics and more Asbury Park, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would also be refreshing to complain about the fact that the Arthur Pryor Bandshell will probably never see the light of day again, because people have given a free pass to MM to do whatever they want. Yesterday, I saw Gary M. tell a women that she couldn't walk her dog on the boardwalk. I guess he's now the mayor of the boardwalk. Personally, I think dogs enhance the boardwalk in the non summer months, and maybe I'll get a summons for ignoring Mayor M's anti-dog campaign. Meanwhile, cats get to live in a place with a million dollar view --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: ... I've never seen anyone so quick to tell the world that what someone else has paid to do is wrong. From lighting to landscaping to building color and construction .. == ...beachfront, ConHall, Pavilions, Parking lots, BCH, parks all over the City. Perhaps if its heard from another source it will be taken seriously... http://tinyurl.com/4hmqjy ... Light pollution in New Jersey is horrific, said Meredith Nole of Montclair, a lighting professional and immediate past president of the Illuminating Engineering Society of North America's New Jersey section. There's glare almost everywhere you turn, and glare is not good lighting, said Nole, who copes with four bright white lights in a nearby sports field that shine through a bedroom window in her apartment We'd be much better off as a society if there was good lighting as opposed to highly wasteful glare lighting everywhere you go, Nole said. The average person or official is clueless about the light pollution issue, she said. Whenever she brings up residential or street light pollution, it falls on deaf ears, Nole said Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
