[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read two interesting quotes the other day which relate to your comments: Quotationspages.com has a great collection, including: Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. (Edison) Then off to Bob Dylan: What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do. Before the 'net, used to get forbes just to read the quotes at the end. Speaking of Edison, I dragged my kids off to the Edison Winter Lab in Fort Meyers recently. Another example how a city can ruin what was a great visit whne I was a kid. Ripped us off for about $14 apiece for the musuem and lab. The lab tour was about 4 minutes and somehow they hid the entire collection of crap they used have on display. And of course you wind up in the store at the end. dad, do I really care if that was Edison's bed... so he proceeded to give me sh_t for 1/2 hour. If I read the edison/ford foundation notes correctly, they now have arond 60 full-time employees and about 100 volunteers. I never got to the budget and salaries. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotationspages.com has a great collection, including: I read the quotes I posted in a book called the 4 hour work week by timothy ferriss, the book is loaded with great quotes.I highly reccomend it. I have not cut my work week to 4 hours yet, but it has given me some ideas on how I can decrease my work time which I have already implemented. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? Too many things are falling thru the cracks here, as they have for a very long time. For example, what is going on with The Metropolitan demolition? That building is rapidly falling apart...but what is being done about it? Why did it take 2 months to get 2 lights fixed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri john@ wrote: By the way, I liked your suggestion of Dan for mayortoo bad he didn't bite! John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? We have a full-time city manager. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't this whole issue point out the inadequacies of a city with a part time administration? We have a full-time city manager. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We pack their pasta sauce as well as their salsa. thanks. The Weg's Tomato basil is a great starter in our house if I don't make my own. whatsamattau! nicea jewish boy donno howwa to maka di sauce? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. People seem to believe that doing things in Asbury Park needs to take 5 years for every one year that is needed elsewhere for similar projects. Jack Pitzer wrote: I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. I think that has been for true for a few reasons, but I think it is beginning to change. Firstly, I think the council, like most long-time APers feared more litigation. Afraid to rock the boat. That began to change as Partners jerked the council's chain for a few years. Secondly, I think they were and have been given bad legal advice from Aaron, or at least the advice that there was nothing they could do. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. This is a point I always come back to when I assess Aaron. Although I think some things surrounding the deal smell to high heaven it is all circumstantial. But in the end I always come back to the fact that Aaron let the city sign an agreement that halted all time frame requirements (what little there were) if there was litigation against the WRP when there was in fact such litigation in existence at the time. So in essence, time frame were halted the moment the agreement was signed. Aaron knew or should have know. Its one or the other. So, my first recommendation to the city is to get a new redevelopment attorney. I would want a heavy weight - McCarter English, a heavy weight in the US and NJ. It won't be cheap, but will be money well spent. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
No. I was implying that Deputy Bruno and Vice President Cheney really run the show. So, I was implying that you need your puppet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I was implying that Deputy Bruno and Vice President Cheney really run the show. So, I was implying that you need your puppet. It was a feeble attempt at humor on my part. I would not like to seek public office but help where I could to whoever is in office. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
Maybe a look into the people holding the positions, not the structure. Let's face it, the manager has our finances a mess and the end in site was the condos. It is going to take a while for building to return. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:38:45 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but is a full-time city manager enough for a city such as ours? Would it be any different from a full time mayor? Or are you suggesting that we redo the government structure and have a full time mayor with full time council members from each ward? More taxes? All it takes is for whoever is in charge, and in our case that is ultimately the council, to do what needs to be done. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
thanks. The Weg's Tomato basil is a great starter in our house if I don't make my own. whatsamattau! nicea jewish boy donno howwa to maka di sauce? John has done a wonderful job. One ting about Weg's, they have made you feel comfortable to buy their brand. The same thing has to happen in AP - you have to be comfortable with the brand - many are, you just need the next 2 rounds. For $1.50 plus whatever's in the cabinet - it works when time counts. The big decision was wondering what the difference was between the Fracesco Rinaldi on sale at wegs for .99 vs the Weg's brand. I got my answer. ): Nice Jewish Boy Tip: Matzah Meal instead of Italian bread crumbs for frying the chick in Weg's olive oil or for mixing the meatballs. I also make the best potato pancakes... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I for one don't think so! I believe that there's a whole lot, we don't know! Just like the White House; it's a secret! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. People seem to believe that doing things in Asbury Park needs to take 5 years for every one year that is needed elsewhere for similar projects. Jack Pitzer wrote: I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
LOL! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? That I would be a bigger prick than Guiliani. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously this is a negative and will make outisders worry about the viability of this town again (particularly looking at a half built bldg). May also end up in another legal morass. However, this is not disimilar to what is happening all over the country, so it is not AP specific (i know partners suck etc... no need to re-itterate here). What is most important in all of this is whether Madison Marquette is still committed. we all know on this board that the boardwalk and cookman are two vital pieces to this city coming back. If Cookman continues to improve and if MM is committed to fixing up the boardwalk and the pavillions (continuing that entertainment improvement they are providing), you will continue to see people moving to this area to single family homes and into the many condo projects which are still open for business. There was already a supply problem in this town before this metro news. What is important is that improvements continue to be made and the traffic and interest will continue in asbury. It is still at a major discount to any shore town. I think it would go a long way if MM and the powers that be could make a positive statement indicating that the other aspects of this plan are moving forward. If a year from now MM is still humming along, i wouldn't be suprised if metro comes back or another developer picks up where they left off. D Sheridan I would like to hope that since its the housing market and MM is dealing in retail and entertainment, that this wont effect them and the boardwalk development... but Metro Homes pulling off the site is probably one of the last things anyone of us would have expected, so no door is closed in terms of who might abandon their part of the redevelopment. Lets just hope the boardwalk keeps moving in the right direction, along with cookman and main st developments. Once the housing market rebounds (hopefully much sooner than later) there will then be developers and investors lining up to build on the land. As bad is this is, Asbury Park is still much better off than it was at the beginning of this decade. At least I hope... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously this is a negative and will make outisders worry about the viability of this town again (particularly looking at a half built bldg). May also end up in another legal morass. However, this is not disimilar to what is happening all over the country, so it is not AP specific (i know partners suck etc... no need to re-itterate here). What is most important in all of this is whether Madison Marquette is still committed. The talk was that MM and Metro were teaming up to take Partners out of the picture. MM could be gone at any moment. There are no white knights. We have signed a pact with the Devil. I mean that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As bad is this is, Asbury Park is still much better off than it was at the beginning of this decade. At least I hope... While I agree with you, that is the kind of thinking that led us here in the first place. Yes, it is much better to get hit in the knees with a baseball bat than across the head. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, it is much better to get hit in the knees with a baseball bat than across the head. City boy philosophy? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the site will no roll back to the party that sold it for pennies. I still think if they file BK, they might be able to force partners hand. Maybe not. The 7% of sales and infrastructure are structured as a mortgage if I recall correctly. There is only a memorandum of them recorded. You must remember that Partners has Lucifer himself (Faiella) as its attorney. I would not be surprised if there is something in there that would prevent Partners from closing on its lien in a bankruptcy. I am sure that that lien is subordinate to any financing liens otherwise I could not imagine a lender giving money. Dean will not do a bankruptcy. I suspect if he turns back the keys, he will give it to the bank. The bank will unload it for peanuts. This is what Partners/MD Sass does. They never build. They are scavengers. You say not Partners' fault? No not directly, but you want me to start blaming the city again? Its the deal's fault. You cannot set up a middleman. Too high a hurdle for subdevelopers to jump. In a major redevelopment plan like this, a city needs some control over scheduling of construction and build out. This has none. It is not like a regular development on a private site. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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-but it's buyer beware - for $5.00 or $50m. If anyone is interested, I can show you completed units in Diamond Beach in Long branch. 34 of 96 sold. From $400,000 to $2m. Gym, Pool, all high end built by a real buildler and built real nice. Being sold at a discount Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
re. MM could be gone at any moment. There are no white knights. We have signed a pact with the Devil. I mean that. And the site will no roll back to the party that sold it for pennies. I still think if they file BK, they might be able to force partners hand. Maybe not. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -but it's buyer beware - for $5.00 or $50m. Exactly, which means that deals should not get done under this scenario with Partners as a middleman because it is just too high a threshold. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
. Exactly, which means that deals should not get done under this scenario with Partners as a middleman because it is just too high a threshold. but it did, someone didn't do their math and handed over the funny money. Or dean-o is a great sales guy. I know lots of guys from that time period who were everywhere at the right time, jumping brokerage houses with huge bonues, moved to hoboken or JC in the worst time and hit it, etc etc. It gives a great feeling of can do win win. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but it did, someone didn't do their math and handed over the funny money. Or dean-o is a great sales guy. I know lots of guys from that time period who were everywhere at the right time, jumping brokerage houses with huge bonues, moved to hoboken or JC in the worst time and hit it, etc etc. It gives a great feeling of can do win win. Agreed. I have nothing against Dean but I don;t really care what happens to him or if he looses every penny. What I recognized (long ago) is that this is an unworkable situation for redevelopment of this city. As I have said time and time again, that is exactly why you actually saw so little development here during one of the most prolific real estate markets. Why every major developer walked in and out of partners' office without a deal years ago. What the people who have influence in this city have to FINALLY REALIZE is that PARTNERS MUST GO and they have to do something about it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't AP start a movement like SUFA to oust AP Partners? We can talk about it all we want, but hasn't the time come to start a visible campaign to tell AP Partners that the people of AP want them to leave. And let's not forget the attitude that Hugh Lamie of MD Sass showed last year in that email he sent me, claiming that nobody appreciates everything that AP Partners had done for the city. Talk is cheap. We need action. You are preaching to the choir. Like John the Baptist I have been a voice crying in the wilderness. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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If anyone is interested, I can show you completed units in Diamond Beach in Long branch. 34 of 96 sold. From $400,000 to $2m. Gym, Pool, all high end built by a real buildler and built real nice. Being sold at a discount Oak Depending on how this turns out I may ask you to show me stuff in AP. As much as like the idea of locking my door and not worrying about anything with a condo, I feel I would be bored in Long Branch.almost like living at Boardwalk Disney. I am not fond of either of the 2 other condo projects in AP either.although I may be willing to look at North Beach. Maybe a house in AP or if some loft type space becomes available on Cookman or in that area? I have to wait for the dust to clear and regroup! I am still in shock and also very dissapointed, my family and I were really looking forward to moving into the Esperanza this summer.I am not looking forward to breaking the news to my 6 year old! I would also like to thank those on the board who have reached out to me and those I have reached out tothanks for being so helpful and supportive over the past 6 months. What a Fuc**ng roller coaster ride!! John ps: I have to say that my experiece with Linda in the Esperanza sales office was very positive. She mentioned to me that she was under contract for a 1 bedroom or studio herself. If anyone knows how to reach her please e-mail me offline. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -but it's buyer beware - for $5.00 or $50m. If anyone is interested, I can show you completed units in Diamond Beach in Long branch. 34 of 96 sold. From $400,000 to $2m. Gym, Pool, all high end built by a real buildler and built real nice. Being sold at a discount Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- I was also curious how protected you are in your contract? I guess what pissed me off was the we'll see what happens to those with monies in escrow. They better have the chutzpah to offer it all back if you want instead of making you sweat. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- J: I was curious how you were handling this. I hope it works out for you one way or the other as you are one that has a sincere interest for and support for AP. As for Diamond and LB - not the same enviroment- but a high quality building. Maybe a temp solution as you can move in asap. What most people don't realize is that there are other choices in AP - not the same and are the other failures for lack of a better word. The Blu, North Beach, Wesley Grove, some of the smaller conversions - all failures - just not high profile. If any you have never failed, you haven't experienced anything. Failuer is the best experience, especially in business. It makes you stop and listen to someone other then yourself. For a developer who often name dropped Trump, so far so good. You still go into AC and see trump everywhere you look. It's even easier to fail with other people's money. ps...I was in Wegman's today and was curious who packs Wegman's Brand tomato sauce? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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We sent out a letter today to themwaiting for their reply. I obviously did not like that comment either! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- I was also curious how protected you are in your contract? I guess what pissed me off was the we'll see what happens to those with monies in escrow. They better have the chutzpah to offer it all back if you want instead of making you sweat. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ps...I was in Wegman's today and was curious who packs Wegman's Brand tomato sauce? We pack their pasta sauce as well as their salsa. We also pack their jammin' and basting oil.soon we will be packing their cooking wine, Holland House is coming off the shelf in favor of a higher quality wegman's brand product. By the way, I liked your suggestion of Dan for mayortoo bad he didn't bite! John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I liked your suggestion of Dan for mayortoo bad he didn't bite! John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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How about Dan S. for Deputy Mayor/ Like Bush/Cheney or Sanders/Bruno. Anyone want to guess what I'm implying? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I liked your suggestion of Dan for mayortoo bad he didn't bite! John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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We pack their pasta sauce as well as their salsa. thanks. The Weg's Tomato basil is a great starter in our house if I don't make my own. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If any you have never failed, you haven't experienced anything. Failuer is the best experience, especially in business. It makes you stop and listen to someone other then yourself. I read two interesting quotes the other day which relate to your comments: an expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field - Niels Bohr, Danish physicist and Nobel Prize Winner The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - Richard Feyman Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
