[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a huge tarot card reader and horoscope/wacko spiritualist follower. Let the reality begin. But it was Hillary Clinton who used to hold seances to speak with Eleanor Roosevelt, not Nancy Reagan. THat's why the joke fell flat. Facts matter, Mr. Obama, facts matter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
another example of the left and the right making fun of each other for something they are both guilty of. I don't see what the difference is between tarot, seances or praying in a pew. Is talking to some mysterious man up in heaven any crazier than seeking the wisdom of E Roosevelt through the Noosphere? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: She was a huge tarot card reader and horoscope/wacko spiritualist follower. Let the reality begin. But it was Hillary Clinton who used to hold seances to speak with Eleanor Roosevelt, not Nancy Reagan. THat's why the joke fell flat. Facts matter, Mr. Obama, facts matter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
False: I refer to it as the world's worst-kept secret that President Reagan relies on astrology. Astrologer Sydney Omarr 1988 http://tinyurl.com/7qkbk Reagan became noted as being one of the few governors to actually sign astrology legislation when on August 30, 1974, as Governor of California, he signed legislation which became Chapter 583, and added Section 50027 to the government Code, relating to astrology. The legislation removed Sacramento licensed astrologers from the category of fortune tellers, thus allowing them to practice their trade for compensation. According to Reagan's former Chief of Staff Donald Regan, the prime source of astrological direction inside the Reagan White House was being provided by San Francisco star gazer Joan Quigley. In his book For the Record Regan stated that Nancy Reagan planned almost all presidential travel, press conferences, and even the president's cancer surgery based on information she was receiving from Quigley. Regan made his stunning revelation concerning the use of astrology after being forced out of the White House by Nancy Reagan. It was a revelation that upset many inside and outside the White House including another prominent astrologer Jean Dixon. Dixon, an astrologer who became nationally prominent for her prediction of the assassination of President John Kennedy, was once an astrological advisor to Reagan. Dixon had gained the favor of the future president by predicting in 1962 that he would become Governor of California, and later President of the United States. She was always gung ho for me to be President, said Reagan. She was dropped by Nancy in 1976, when she stated that Reagan would not gain the presidency that year. Nancy figured that Dixon had lost her powers of prediction. Joan Quigley was quickly picked up by Nancy as the next seer, even though she too predicted that 1976 would not be the year for Reagan. In 1988, when the astrology scandal broke at the White House, Dixon sent Reagan a copy of an New York Times editorial she had just written supporting the use of astrology. I would shoot a few people if I were you for talking, she wrote in an attacked handwritten note to the President. The astrology news was announced, mysteriously and coincidentally, on almost the same day as the death of Carroll Righter. Righter, a prominent Hollywood astrologer, was rumored to have been President Reagan's favorite astrologer during a long 45 year relationship. Reagan even admitted in his 1965 autobiography Where's the Rest of Me that he and Righter were friends, and that he and Nancy read Righter's column regularly. As to your Hillary misinformation: Imaginary conversations are not seances: The woman described by Bob Woodward as a spiritual adviser to first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton disputed several of Woodward's published assertions Sunday night . http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/24/clinton.houston/ Jean Houston, interviewed at the Newark Airport by CNN, said that Mrs. Clinton did indeed have imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt at Houston's suggestion. (But) that was maybe four minutes out of hours and hours of conversation, she said. In his new book The Choice, Woodward wrote that Houston, co-director of the Foundation of Mind Research, urged Mrs. Clinton to write It Takes a Village, and assisted extensively in rewrites. Houston said that she did help edit the book, but that Mrs. Clinton wrote that book entirely. Houston said she made the suggestion to hold the imaginary conversations with Mrs. Roosevelt and others to focus her busy mind on issues that surrounded the book. That was it, Houston said. No spooks. No seances. Nothing. She's the least psychic person I've known, and I'm a close second. ... I don't have a psychic bone in my body. You are so full of gutter BS talking points it's utterly astounding. You want to stop the personal attacks? Stop lying. On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:06 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a huge tarot card reader and horoscope/wacko spiritualist follower. Let the reality begin. But it was Hillary Clinton who used to hold seances to speak with Eleanor Roosevelt, not Nancy Reagan. THat's why the joke fell flat. Facts matter, Mr. Obama, facts matter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
Hey...Jean Houston is mentioned toward the bottom. She was mentored by Teihard de Chardin. One of the guys who came up with the term noosphere. Palenotologist, jesuit priest. You guys ever read about the Noosphere? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: False: I refer to it as the world's worst-kept secret that President Reagan relies on astrology. Astrologer Sydney Omarr 1988 http://tinyurl.com/7qkbk Reagan became noted as being one of the few governors to actually sign astrology legislation when on August 30, 1974, as Governor of California, he signed legislation which became Chapter 583, and added Section 50027 to the government Code, relating to astrology. The legislation removed Sacramento licensed astrologers from the category of fortune tellers, thus allowing them to practice their trade for compensation. According to Reagan's former Chief of Staff Donald Regan, the prime source of astrological direction inside the Reagan White House was being provided by San Francisco star gazer Joan Quigley. In his book For the Record Regan stated that Nancy Reagan planned almost all presidential travel, press conferences, and even the president's cancer surgery based on information she was receiving from Quigley. Regan made his stunning revelation concerning the use of astrology after being forced out of the White House by Nancy Reagan. It was a revelation that upset many inside and outside the White House including another prominent astrologer Jean Dixon. Dixon, an astrologer who became nationally prominent for her prediction of the assassination of President John Kennedy, was once an astrological advisor to Reagan. Dixon had gained the favor of the future president by predicting in 1962 that he would become Governor of California, and later President of the United States. She was always gung ho for me to be President, said Reagan. She was dropped by Nancy in 1976, when she stated that Reagan would not gain the presidency that year. Nancy figured that Dixon had lost her powers of prediction. Joan Quigley was quickly picked up by Nancy as the next seer, even though she too predicted that 1976 would not be the year for Reagan. In 1988, when the astrology scandal broke at the White House, Dixon sent Reagan a copy of an New York Times editorial she had just written supporting the use of astrology. I would shoot a few people if I were you for talking, she wrote in an attacked handwritten note to the President. The astrology news was announced, mysteriously and coincidentally, on almost the same day as the death of Carroll Righter. Righter, a prominent Hollywood astrologer, was rumored to have been President Reagan's favorite astrologer during a long 45 year relationship. Reagan even admitted in his 1965 autobiography Where's the Rest of Me that he and Righter were friends, and that he and Nancy read Righter's column regularly. As to your Hillary misinformation: Imaginary conversations are not seances: The woman described by Bob Woodward as a spiritual adviser to first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton disputed several of Woodward's published assertions Sunday night . http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/24/clinton.houston/ Jean Houston, interviewed at the Newark Airport by CNN, said that Mrs. Clinton did indeed have imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt at Houston's suggestion. (But) that was maybe four minutes out of hours and hours of conversation, she said. In his new book The Choice, Woodward wrote that Houston, co-director of the Foundation of Mind Research, urged Mrs. Clinton to write It Takes a Village, and assisted extensively in rewrites. Houston said that she did help edit the book, but that Mrs. Clinton wrote that book entirely. Houston said she made the suggestion to hold the imaginary conversations with Mrs. Roosevelt and others to focus her busy mind on issues that surrounded the book. That was it, Houston said. No spooks. No seances. Nothing. She's the least psychic person I've known, and I'm a close second. ... I don't have a psychic bone in my body. You are so full of gutter BS talking points it's utterly astounding. You want to stop the personal attacks? Stop lying. On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:06 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: She was a huge tarot card reader and horoscope/wacko spiritualist follower. Let the reality begin. But it was Hillary Clinton who used to hold seances to speak with Eleanor Roosevelt, not Nancy Reagan. THat's why the joke fell flat. Facts matter, Mr. Obama, facts matter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings:
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: False: Well John, Obama already called Nancy Reagan and apologized, so I guess it's Barack and me vs. you. Apparantly he too now knows the difference between a seance and astrology. Good for him. He did the right thing. He showed some unity. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noosphere.. Brand new word for me, Gabbi. Thanks for expanding my horizons! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:03 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess it's Barack and me vs. you. Once again, mischaracterizing the situation to your advantage, to make you feel better. Pretending people are agreeing with you when they most certainly aren't. You need that, now. Go for it. As far as the real world: It'll never be Barack and you versus me. Not with the kind of swill you write. Not in a million years. Which may be the next time the Republicans gain any semblance of power. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:03 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess it's Barack and me vs. you. Once again, mischaracterizing the situation to your advantage, to make you feel better. Pretending people are agreeing with you when they most certainly aren't. You need that, now. Go for it. As far as the real world: It'll never be Barack and you versus me. Not with the kind of swill you write. Not in a million years. Which may be the next time the Republicans gain any semblance of power. All personalizing. All about me. Not one word analyzing that Obama apologized. Just personalizing. The problem is I think you are better than that. I'm certain you have the mental hardiness to handle a conversation where you make no conclusions about the other writer. Why not try it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
Because at this point in time, the request of civility from The Right after 8 years of Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Beck, and the rest of that barnyard could not be a bigger joke. Piles and piles of Right Wing talking points? You're better than that. On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:03 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess it's Barack and me vs. you. Once again, mischaracterizing the situation to your advantage, to make you feel better. Pretending people are agreeing with you when they most certainly aren't. You need that, now. Go for it. As far as the real world: It'll never be Barack and you versus me. Not with the kind of swill you write. Not in a million years. Which may be the next time the Republicans gain any semblance of power. All personalizing. All about me. Not one word analyzing that Obama apologized. Just personalizing. The problem is I think you are better than that. I'm certain you have the mental hardiness to handle a conversation where you make no conclusions about the other writer. Why not try it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
Even Pat Buchanan and several other conservatives gave Obama high marks for his first press conference. And while he made the comment about Nancy Reagan he clearly meant no harm and had the class and self-awareness to quickly recognize the mistake and proactively call her personally to apologize. I've intetionally stayed away from commenting on this stuff as it's so unrelated to why I come to this board. But I do want to make one comment. Tom, you are extremely bright and very well informed. I would really love to some day have a discussion with you without any of the spin and position selling that you are so well known for, but question whether you actually have the ability to dial it back. Think of it this way - it's the difference between listening to a true conservative with core beliefs who applies common sense to their comments and evaluations vs. listening to Sean Hannity drone on with talking points that even he can't even believe. I'm sure Hannity also has the ability to contribute his point of view to a constructive discussion but has become so predictable and such a charachature that few actually take him seriously. I'd love to take you seriously. I wish I could. I am someone who really believes there are two sides to every argument and the right answer is rarely on the fringes. But I can never cut through your talking points and argumentative nature. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Factual inaccuracy and a swipe at Nancy Reagan, who is recovering from the same calamity as his recently deceased grandmother. Oh let the uniting and healing begin! Good grief. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
More personalizing. I would think dial it back would be reserved as criticism for someone who makes comments about other posters (their intelligence, motives, candor, or just name calling) which I hope is obvious that I never do. That's why I point out others who do. What talking points? Who writes them? Where would I go to get them? Respectfully, I think your post is just a round about way of asking someone you disagree with to stop talking. I'll try to indulge. I posted something unique to AP today in addition to the national poltical stuff. Folks for the most part are ignoring it and going straight for the other stuff. What does that mean? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even Pat Buchanan and several other conservatives gave Obama high marks for his first press conference. And while he made the comment about Nancy Reagan he clearly meant no harm and had the class and self-awareness to quickly recognize the mistake and proactively call her personally to apologize. I've intetionally stayed away from commenting on this stuff as it's so unrelated to why I come to this board. But I do want to make one comment. Tom, you are extremely bright and very well informed. I would really love to some day have a discussion with you without any of the spin and position selling that you are so well known for, but question whether you actually have the ability to dial it back. Think of it this way - it's the difference between listening to a true conservative with core beliefs who applies common sense to their comments and evaluations vs. listening to Sean Hannity drone on with talking points that even he can't even believe. I'm sure Hannity also has the ability to contribute his point of view to a constructive discussion but has become so predictable and such a charachature that few actually take him seriously. I'd love to take you seriously. I wish I could. I am someone who really believes there are two sides to every argument and the right answer is rarely on the fringes. But I can never cut through your talking points and argumentative nature. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Factual inaccuracy and a swipe at Nancy Reagan, who is recovering from the same calamity as his recently deceased grandmother. Oh let the uniting and healing begin! Good grief. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
Honestly not asking you to stop talking. Just stop talking in a way that trivializes the good points I believe you have to make. If you are unable to understand my point then you've answered my question as to whether you are able to. And that's unfortunate. People with open minds are influenced by reasonable arguments, while the only thing accomplished by continually throwing red meat at the already converted is to drive away those who really want to know what the two sides think. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More personalizing. I would think dial it back would be reserved as criticism for someone who makes comments about other posters (their intelligence, motives, candor, or just name calling) which I hope is obvious that I never do. That's why I point out others who do. What talking points? Who writes them? Where would I go to get them? Respectfully, I think your post is just a round about way of asking someone you disagree with to stop talking. I'll try to indulge. I posted something unique to AP today in addition to the national poltical stuff. Folks for the most part are ignoring it and going straight for the other stuff. What does that mean? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Even Pat Buchanan and several other conservatives gave Obama high marks for his first press conference. And while he made the comment about Nancy Reagan he clearly meant no harm and had the class and self-awareness to quickly recognize the mistake and proactively call her personally to apologize. I've intetionally stayed away from commenting on this stuff as it's so unrelated to why I come to this board. But I do want to make one comment. Tom, you are extremely bright and very well informed. I would really love to some day have a discussion with you without any of the spin and position selling that you are so well known for, but question whether you actually have the ability to dial it back. Think of it this way - it's the difference between listening to a true conservative with core beliefs who applies common sense to their comments and evaluations vs. listening to Sean Hannity drone on with talking points that even he can't even believe. I'm sure Hannity also has the ability to contribute his point of view to a constructive discussion but has become so predictable and such a charachature that few actually take him seriously. I'd love to take you seriously. I wish I could. I am someone who really believes there are two sides to every argument and the right answer is rarely on the fringes. But I can never cut through your talking points and argumentative nature. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Factual inaccuracy and a swipe at Nancy Reagan, who is recovering from the same calamity as his recently deceased grandmother. Oh let the uniting and healing begin! Good grief. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Prez First Speech
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly not asking you to stop talking. Just stop talking in a way that trivializes the good points I believe you have to make. If you are unable to understand my point then you've answered my question as to whether you are able to. That won't do. If I'm unable to understand your point you have to teach me. Give me an example from today where I trivialized. I'll try to keep and open mind when I view your example. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
