Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Wasn't Oak Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:29:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 15 years, knock wood and I live such a corny, square life, that unless I read the papers or watch the news, I wouldn't have a clue. When I think about it, all of the people I know are pretty much like myself. After you've reached about 50, you begin to reassess your life. I'm good. The only thing I miss is being around other adults, like a Senior Center. I rant and rave in this group, but seriously, I'm a corn ball! Some of you call certain groups undeserving names out of their despair to lash out for real or perceived injustices. Police brutality, profiling, lack of opportunity and other disparities lead to persons getting involved in gangs, where they discuss the disparities. Why? Deprivation is why. This country speaks of democracy but it isn't here for all. Depravity leads to depression and drug dependency that leads to some to take their anger out on otherwise innocent bystanders. Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Is this group really that bent on color now? I don't understand why this is an issue... I also thought that this group was not only for people who currently live in Asbury Park, but anyone who has concerns about it and loves the town. Since we're posting online, and don't see one another (unless anyone knows another outside of this group), we don't see what one another look like, which really shouldn't matter. So, here's me. I currently live in Charleston, SC I grew up on Unami Ave in Wanamassa, just a few blocks from the Sunset Bridge. I spent much of my youth at or near the Asbury boardwalk. I lived as a young adult in Asbury, at 301 Sunset (the beige/brown house on the corner of, I think, Webb) I have always loved the character and architecture of Asbury Park, and have always greatly wished for it to become safe and restored to its original beauty I miss Asbury Park, and wish that it were safe (and affordable) for me to move back there. I still think of this area as home Oh, and for those of you who are really particular about what color someone's skin is, I happen to be white. Personally, I could care less what your skin looks like as long as you are a decent person. That's me. Anything else you want to know, please ask. I'm on this group because I care about this city. I miss it, too. Namaste~ Jenni -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramona Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:21 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot? No it was attributed to you. I was answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about Springwood Ave, and about the job program. It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it counts ... with those that need help. I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of the comments about white vs. black etc I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted! Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. Let me help you out. I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. I have lived and worked in town since 2005. I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a reference. I am raising 2 children here. Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my relatives too but I am not that close with them. As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again. Ramona Thornton --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me! Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Jack I don't think the SPCA will do much until you see a dead animal on the property. Since the owner is providing food and shelter to these cats, they are not technically feral. If you do see one who seems dead or close to it, you could call the police for animal neglect/abuse That house smells like ass all the time, especially if its a windy day Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:34:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Those homes are condemned, well a lot of them are at least Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:34:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Most of its condemned and not livable Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:41:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? Actually, most of that housing is rotting away. There's mold everywhere. I grew up in Eatoncrest apts. which is surrounded by that development. It's been fenced in for years, and is currently home to a herd of deer. Right around the corner at the Ft. Monmouth golf course, there were acres of abandoned homes. All got bulldozed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
