Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: Received a private email, detailing how the gays hate blacks, don't want them around, can't wait to be rid of them, etc. These allegations were overheard in private conversations, etc. Don't know how true they are and I will consider them hearsay, since I haven't experienced it, one on one. I've never felt any hostility from anyone Gay or otherwise in this town, so I was taken aback by the statements. Don't want to rile anyone up, but what is the feelings of the Gay Community, since I live in a traditional relationship, adult children and grandchildren. Do Gay people, not want Blacks around? Do Gays cry discrimination, while they also discriminate? My 2 cents: In my experience, coming of age in the sixties, there was a healthy and productive alliance among Jews, Blacks,gays and academics. Most civil rights advances were accomplished by that alliance. (Those poor whites who are racists turned "right" after LBJ's Civil Rights Act in 1964, continue to be part of that "base," and continue to vote against their economic interests.) If that alliance is weakening, it's due in part to schizophrenic voices (e.g., AsburySteve) which are unproductive and divisive. When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;I was not a communist.When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,I did not speak out;I was not a Jew.When they came for me,there was no one left to speak out. Pastor Martin Niemöller Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced (unlike FUX News) links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue:Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet!Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope)Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology.Click here: Air America Radio | The antidote to Rush and other Hate Talk RadioClick here: Liberty's Blog: Eventually they'll want a piece of you, Chris Chris Rock on weird white guys.Original Message __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Sorry 'bout those links in my last post. They are not mine; I copied the passage from Wikipedia; When the Nazis came for the communists, To sharon_b283, One additional point: If you've ever been in any of the so-called "gay ghettos" (neighborhoods in San Francisco, NYC, Philadelphia, etc.), you might have noticed that they are among the most integrated neighborhoods in the country, and they thrive--together. Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced (unlike FUX News) links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue:Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet!Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope)Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology.Click here: Air America Radio | The antidote to Rush and other Hate Talk RadioClick here: Liberty's Blog: Eventually they'll want a piece of you, Chris Chris Rock on weird white guys.Original Message __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue . I want to reiterate Dan's response: "Exactly the point [one of their points] of SUFA," and that's a crucial point that shouldbe emphasized. I've tried in the past to find out exactly what percentage of AP property is tax exempt and how that compares with other towns. No one ever gets back to me on this. As far as referencing some posters as "newbies", I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area,. Since 1966: Been here, done that, and really do have the T-shirt (from Kate Mellina's old store). There's virtually no Black restaurants, bars around here, like the Saturn, Oasis, Orchid Lounge, I remember the Orchid Lounge fondly. Also, Sonny's Restaurant on Cookman had great food and, on weekends, good entertainment. I was surprised when they closed not too long ago. Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue: Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet! Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope )Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Dan's post: : I received the following email in response. I will not reveal their name... "Fact of the matter, which you didn't seem to mention, was that the biggest original outbreak of HIV/ Aids in the US was in the gay community, which also puts Asbury Park at great risk because of the large amounts of gays practicing anal sex, and migrating here!Maybe that's why there are several Aids places, including "the Center" here in the city. Maybe the people who despise the blacks should consider that, don't you think?" Sound like a post from "mog" (man of god?) whom we haven't heard from in months and who I suspect is the same dyspeptic person as YOU KNOWWHO. Linguists have some interesting things to say about people who use "the" in that fashion: "the gays," "the blacks," etc. I say he is full of Canada Goose shit (currently a hot topic in another group). Cordiali saluti, __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
In reference toDan's comment about not making judgment about MSM: WHile it may be true that there are no per se homeless shelters in AP, there are a number of facilities that serve the homeless, ranging from managed living, soup kitchens and advisory services. AP also has a number of other social service faciltiies including HIV clinics, a methadone clinic, etc. I make no judgment on any of them. Yes it is our social responsibility to help thos eless fortunate. The point is AP has done more than its fair share and does not need the Market Street Mission or any other shelter that will not screen clients. Its time for other nearby communities to shoulder their fair share. Throughthe hot and humid night, I Googled, Wiki-ed and more. Because I don't feel qualified to judge, I was looking for a disinterested party with stature and qualifications. = Charity Navigator is an independent, non-profit organization that does judge and evaluate charities. Charity navigator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Charity Navigator's rating forthe Market Street Mission: a mere 2 Stars Overall and only 1 Star for efficiency. Charity Navigator Rating - Market Street Mission Note the national peer analysis. Charity Navigator's comparison forNJ homeless outreach services, MSM is next to last of seven: Charity Navigator - Your Search Results . Charity Navigator operates nationally, but its president,Trent Stamp, lives in Mahwah, pretty much the neighborhood of Market Street Mission's hometown. He has his own Blog: Trent Stamp's Take where he "gives an insider's perspective to the inspiring, intriguing, and sometimes idiotic inner workings of the world of non-profits and charities." From Fast Company, a business magazine: Stamp is executive director of Charity Navigator, a Mahwah, New Jersey - based organization -- itself a nonprofit -- that tracks the financial performance of 2,500 charities across the nation. In Stamp's view, charities haven't been giving the public a clear understanding of their financial well-being, and without some independent evaluation, a public that is weary of accounting scandals and management cover-ups just might give up on their charitable giving. Says Stamp: "We're trying to answer the critical question: Which charities are the most responsible and efficient -- and which aren't?" Using data gleaned from tax filings, Charity Navigator ranks nonprofits on the efficacy of their getting and spending, measuring them against seven benchmarks and assigning each one a rating on a scale of zero to four stars. Stamp believes that his rankings will become for philanthropists what Morningstar's mutual-fund ratings are for investors: a way to compare an organization's financial performance with that of its competitors. Full text here:http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/73/socialcapital.html === If you scan the entire web site for MSM, its very difficult to find the staff and their qualifications.At page bottom, not from their main menus, click "contact us." More clicks required to find executives, staff, and board of directors. No where will you find listed the appropriate professional credentials you might expect: counselor, therapist, psychotherapist, social worker(e.g., L.C.S.W.), etc. If we are forced to have MSM in our midst, I'm afraid we'll be saddled with a less than third rate outfit for the homeless. While Canada Geese may not be welcome here, a nice Canadian cold front would suit me just fine. Chill! (Sorry for the cross-posting. Double lurkers need only to hit "delete.") __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
