Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Why do you have to explain this? If everyone allegedly believes in equality then everyone is the same. Unfortunately this is not the case today for some reason everyone things that they have more rights than everyone else. They don't want equality they want more rights than everyone else. I would like an explanation of why affirmative action still exists? Almost two generations have passed since this came into being and people still can't get ahead with just what they have. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:08 AM I also know you are not less worth than me because I am a man and you are a woman. I never said that. Do not try to make it appear thats the way I feel by implying that I think I'm better than people beacuse of their gender or preference. Just as its allowed to have the parade thats held in Asbury to celebrate pride every year, I am allowed to take pride in myself for being who I am every day, and I don't have to be a woman or a gay man for it to be acceptable to have pride in myself. Nor do I get offended when I see others being proud of who they are. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote: its no problem to me. i know i am not worth less than a man. but you and your pride are going to get upset a lot. and john is going to play you again and again and again and again and tommy...i agree with John's disdain for the disease that is the current repub party AND i think he's being silly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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My, my! Untwist your panties, Myrtle. On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No moderates are voting for McCain. Not with Palin on the ticket. There's nothing moderate to vote for. Shows how much you know. I'm not even going to bother discussing anything with you anymore, because you're just a moron. I AM a moderate, don't you ever f*cking try to tell me what I am... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:41 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, my! Untwist your panties, Myrtle. On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: Are you fucking serious? Is there anyone in this group who is actually going to stick up for this guy and his comments like this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yup. Political correctness at it's best. If someone calls you a woman's name, the next time you see them rearrange their face a bit and then they have to live with the fact that they the crap kicked out of them by a girl. It is a one way street. Some people can say anything they like and when you respond rather than having them respond in a normal manner they open up their can o' labels. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:37 AM Let me clear something up... I'm not saying his comment is a cheap shot because he called me a woman's name. The reason its a cheap shot is because its an insult in which he is trying to get me to insult him back, to make me look like a fool. And I'm not going to get into this argument, but what's the problem if I am offended with being called a woman's name? Am I not allowed to have pride in myself and be proud of who I am because I am a straight male? Does having self pride, just like women and homosexuals do in themselves, make me sexist or homophobic?? ? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote: You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. - Arcman sorry..you may be clear, but arcman is NOT. and i don't say this as a rabid feminist, merely pointing it out. sexist men, homophobes, racists and the like are simply people with a virus that is rampant in our culture. they are ill, not scary. and arcman, i realize you are upset and probably typing quickly so i am not judging seriously here. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Uh uh, Gabby. Neither Arcman or claimed any resentment of being called a female name. We each simply pointed out the bad intent of the speaker. I just went though this recently with someone who tried to insult me by calling me Gay. Same thing happened - when I pointed out it was no insult to me but he was the homophobe for hoping it would be an insult, he just kept repeating himself over and over that I was homophobic for pointing out that I wasn't gay. I didn't let him get away with it and you aren't getting away with it either. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Arcman and Tommy...being upset at being called a female name is at least as anti female as using it (John) as a derogatory remark. It assumes (pretty obvious to anyone with a minor amount of linguistics or ability to think) that there is something wrong with being female. Our culture is still very sexist, probably more than racist. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Amused. Yes, that definitely came across. Your utter amusement. On Oct 10, 2008, at 10:02 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank Goddess there's a place for straight, white men to feel proud. Whew! On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:08 AM, arcman210 wrote: I also know you are not less worth than me because I am a man and you are a woman. I never said that. Do not try to make it appear thats the way I feel by implying that I think I'm better than people beacuse of their gender or preference. Just as its allowed to have the parade thats held in Asbury to celebrate pride every year, I am allowed to take pride in myself for being who I am every day, and I don't have to be a woman or a gay man for it to be acceptable to have pride in myself. Nor do I get offended when I see others being proud of who they are. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its no problem to me. i know i am not worth less than a man. but you and your pride are going to get upset a lot. and john is going to play you again and again and again and again and tommy...i agree with John's disdain for the disease that is the current repub party AND i think he's being silly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Oct 10, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: Group Hug! and send some love to the market makers and traders. oh.. the portfolios holders too. LIQUID ASSETS If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you will have $49.00 today. If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago, you will have $33.00 today. If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers one year ago, you will have $0.00 today. But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for recycling refund, you would have received $214.00. Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily recycle. It is called the 401-Keg. A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year. Another study found that Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year. That means that, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon! Makes you proud to be an American! freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Uh. Where does Shut up and the right to speak intersect, again? On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: Why do people like you assert that folks like Ms. Lallo and me are attacking Springsteen's right to speak? We aren't. We are speaking too. We're sayhing, Shut up and Sing. By disagreeing with me, should I say you are attacking me right to speak? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. Celebrities have a right, like everyone else, to endorse a candidate. And they also have a right to show up at political rallies and speak their mind. If you do not want to listen, don't listen. Don't go to their concerts, rallies, change the channel or station etc. I think what people are really upset about is that an entertainer that they like disagrees with them about politics. Well, tough. And that their celebrity status gives them a bigger voice than yours. That's just life. There are people I hate to listen to as well, but I can't say that they should not have a right to speak because I disagree with them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists — their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The Right only approves of the Free Market when it benefits Right Wingers, not the Left. And they, apparently, judging from their support of W. and McCain, have no use for self-made men. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: Using the shut up... logic Letterman - shut up and be funny Cartman - shut up and be a 2-d animated character Leno - Same as Letterman Peter Gabriel - same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped things in South Africa Pete Seegar - Same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped clean up waterways around our country, most notably the Hudson River. Saying Shut up and.. just says you could care less about freedom of speech. And when that woman who wrote the letter takes the time to mention how rich people like Bruce and Bon Jovi are, she fails to note that they came from humble beginnings. They worked their asses off at bar band wages for years, and then people bought their music, and they earned their money. That doesn't mean that their humble beginnings aren't still a part of who they are. \--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh. Where does Shut up and the right to speak intersect, again? On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: Why do people like you assert that folks like Ms. Lallo and me are attacking Springsteen's right to speak? We aren't. We are speaking too. We're sayhing, Shut up and Sing. By disagreeing with me, should I say you are attacking me right to speak? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. Celebrities have a right, like everyone else, to endorse a candidate. And they also have a right to show up at political rallies and speak their mind. If you do not want to listen, don't listen. Don't go to their concerts, rallies, change the channel or station etc. I think what people are really upset about is that an entertainer that they like disagrees with them about politics. Well, tough. And that their celebrity status gives them a bigger voice than yours. That's just life. There are people I hate to listen to as well, but I can't say that they should not have a right to speak because I disagree with them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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If Springsteen is not a credible source, imagine where that puts you... On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:32 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you answered your own questions. Consider the source. It's as simple as that. I don't think of Bruce Springsteen as a credible source of political information. He's never run for office, never proposed a real solution to an issue. He's no source of accurate political information. He sings songs. He is an entertainer! If he wanted to solve the world's problems, he could run for office... but he will never do that. He's got the money to finance a campaign, and apparently he's got all the ideas that can fix our society. If he cares so much, why doesn't he just run for office??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You're the questioning one, grasshopper. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? In that case, how can you prove anyone's motivations? Does Bruce really care about the Iraq war ending? Or does he just support it because it's the popular thing to do? Only he knows the truth. I'm not saying he doesn't, but if you question one you must question all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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One is charismatic, plays to packed stadiums and wants to change the world. The other is Bono. Now a group of U2 fans, struck by the parallels between Barack Obama and the Irish rock star, have become one of the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee's most enthusiastic band of supporters. http://tinyurl.com/4w79d4 U2 fans for Obama, a collection of 103 U2 devotees, has raised almost $18,000 (EU12,200) for the presidential hopeful's campaign and organised more than 600 events to date. The group, whose website and blog are linked to the presidential candidate's official homepage, believe that since Bono can't run for U.S. president, Obama is the next best thing. Their blog declares that members see in Obama a progressive Christian who embodies the ideas and sentiments...so compelling in U2's music. The politician is already an avowed fan of the band, recently telling Rolling Stone magazine that U2 is on his iPod playlist. Bono attended the Democratic convention in Denver last week where he heard two U2 tracks, City of Blinding Lights and Beautiful Day, bookend Obama's acceptance speech early on Friday. Beautiful Day was also the musical backdrop a night earlier when Obama introduced Senator Joe Biden, his nominee for vice-president, to the Denver crowd. The U2 fans now rank as the 10th most active group on Obama's collection of small local fundraisers, modelled on a social networking site. Obama's website, my.barack obama.com, was developed by Chris Hughes, a co-founder of Facebook. It has more than 1m users and hundreds of diverse social networking groups, including Women for Obama, Veterans for Obama and Environmentalists for Obama. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... Bono is just an entertainer and look what he has done by being an entertainer (The ONE campaign). I think Jack has also listed a number of musicians who have inspired change. Bono never bashed a politician in his concerts. He promotes good things and is a terrific world activist... Bono even met with Bush at the White House a few years ago! And I doubt Bono would have voted for Bush or supported his candidacy. Bono did it because it was the way to get something done for a real cause, and not to make a statement and sell an album. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:00 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Bashing? On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: No need to get nasty with each other. This really didn't need to elevate beyond conversation to bashing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes! No talking on a talk show! On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: As much as I can't stand them, right now, I can hear the chicks on The View discussing politics, and Obama. If we are going to tell Bruce to shut up, shouldn't they be shutting up also? They have millions of viewers every single day. Probably more per single day then Bruce at all these rallies combined. Why isn't anybody, such as the original letter writer, bitching about that too? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:00 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Palin met with the Iraqi President on the same fake photo op. Are they sympatico now? On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:09 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One is charismatic, plays to packed stadiums and wants to change the world. The other is Bono. Now a group of U2 fans, struck by the parallels between Barack Obama and the Irish rock star, have become one of the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee's most enthusiastic band of supporters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The Righties agreeing with each other. Alert the press. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. I'd be enlightened to know how that is the case. Please inform me on how exactly I'm in another universe of reality. Don't go there arcman. Your posts have been great and about the issues. He started personalizing with you. Don't accept Jack as a fair arbitor of that either. He will say both of you should stop, instead of taking to task just the guy who is doing it, because that guy is politically like-minded to him. Jack used to do that to me all the time. Just ignore that other guy when he starts personalizing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh he, of the unbiased posts. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:32 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, You are so off base. Read my comment. It wasn't addressed to any one person, it was merely placed as a reply in a reply after things got nasty. How dare you try and discredit me for trying to keep things civil. I didn't point a single finger, and for you to suggest I did is 100% wrong. The problem is you DIDN'T point the finger, Jack. Only one guy was personalizing; you shouldn't have dumped acrman in with him. Point the finger at the guy who is doing it. Go over his posts for the past two or three weeks. He peronalized repeatedly with me and I just simply didn't respond. You said nothing. NOTHING. Had I responded, you would have jumped in and said this stuff now has to stop. You say nothing when someone of your political thinking personalizes repeatedy, but become feux arbitrator of civility when the target responds. Arcman peronalized nothing. You can't take him to task for anything. Now take to task by name the one guy who did personlize, or you'll lose all creditbility. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The problem for The Right, of course, is that LONG AGO, they lost the culture war and they're pretending there's a battle still to be won. It's over. They lost. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:49 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin is not a role model for me and not just bc of her views... I think she is a pretty terrible person actually.Inciting violence, spreading lies. The press can't get near her. She only speaks in rehearsed sound bites. Troper-gate. Making women pay for rape kits. I have made my views clear before. One could make an argument that Madonna, by pushing the limits about how we think about sex is polital, much like the sexual revolution and women's lib in general is polital. I also take offense to you referring to any woman as a slut, and I would refer you to a book entitled Slut! which is an interesting look at women and their sexuality and how terms like slut have been used against womenm (often by other women) to socially destroy a woman for being sexual. Madonna had no reason to bash Sarah Palin. Madonna's comments were not against a view of Palin's, they weren't critical of her views... they were just anti-Palin for being Republican. In other concerts, she placed the image of John McCain next to an image of Adolf Hitler. One of the most gutless insulting things I had ever read about an entertainer doing. Those kind of images insult me because I am a McCain voter, so according to her, I am also an anti-Semite. That is extremely offensive to me, and I have every right to be extremely angry with her actions. Madonna's music isn't about politics, and her sexual statements aren't political, they are to sell albums and make money. She proves her lack of knowledge with her words and actions. Sarah Palin as a politician IS a role model to many women and not just conservative women. Maybe she isn't you're role model, but I sure respect her for the things she has been able to accomplish, and I don't even agree with her on many of her issues. I personally know two women who idolize her because of her place in society, and those women are voting for Barack Obama because they are Democrats. They were Hillary supporters before Barack was chosen, but they still support Barack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What strange little boxes you put people in. On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:26 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce writes songs that discuss current events. There is no difference. There is no difference in their credibility either. You can't call on Bruce to shut up and sing without telling everybody to shut up. The validity of what the folks on The View say is nothing different then the validity of Bruce. Both are expressing opinions. They view is a show about discussion. They give their opinions but also have to defend them. Bruce doesn't discuss politics with anyone, he just rants to crowds at his shows because he has a stage and a mircophone. He has never debated anyone on the subject of politics, unlike the hosts of The View, and every other TV show on cable which discusses politics. People tune into The View to hear what they have to say, because they want to hear what the women on the show have to say. If someone doesn't care about what they have to say, they don't have to watch the show. Nobody tunes in because they like to hear the Whoopi sing for 1 hour... they want to hear her opinions. Fans don't put Born to Run in their cd player to hear Bruce talk about the election. They want to hear his songs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Nobody tunes in because they like to hear the Whoopi sing for 1 hour... http://tinyurl.com/4z876q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8dbqKZ2KA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2zg36qf9co Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Culture war? Being fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. (Animal House) --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 1:45 PM The problem for The Right, of course, is that LONG AGO, they lost the culture war and they're pretending there's a battle still to be won. It's over. They lost. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:49 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: Palin is not a role model for me and not just bc of her views... I think she is a pretty terrible person actually.Inciting violence, spreading lies. The press can't get near her. She only speaks in rehearsed sound bites. Troper-gate. Making women pay for rape kits. I have made my views clear before. One could make an argument that Madonna, by pushing the limits about how we think about sex is polital, much like the sexual revolution and women's lib in general is polital. I also take offense to you referring to any woman as a slut, and I would refer you to a book entitled Slut! which is an interesting look at women and their sexuality and how terms like slut have been used against womenm (often by other women) to socially destroy a woman for being sexual. Madonna had no reason to bash Sarah Palin. Madonna's comments were not against a view of Palin's, they weren't critical of her views... they were just anti-Palin for being Republican. In other concerts, she placed the image of John McCain next to an image of Adolf Hitler. One of the most gutless insulting things I had ever read about an entertainer doing. Those kind of images insult me because I am a McCain voter, so according to her, I am also an anti-Semite. That is extremely offensive to me, and I have every right to be extremely angry with her actions. Madonna's music isn't about politics, and her sexual statements aren't political, they are to sell albums and make money. She proves her lack of knowledge with her words and actions. Sarah Palin as a politician IS a role model to many women and not just conservative women. Maybe she isn't you're role model, but I sure respect her for the things she has been able to accomplish, and I don't even agree with her on many of her issues. I personally know two women who idolize her because of her place in society, and those women are voting for Barack Obama because they are Democrats. They were Hillary supporters before Barack was chosen, but they still support Barack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Practice what you preach. Unless it doesn't fit into you particular point of view then there is a problem. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:47 AM Exactly, and that makes me wonder why some would call for Bruce and musicians to shut up... but not call on The View to shut up also. Personally, I don't think anybody should shut up. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: Maybe I should not admit it, but I watch the View on my verizon phone on the bus home from work.I find it very entertaining, particularly when they talk politics. I was never interested in the show before, but watching these women get into it is suddenly very interesting to me. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Back to my earlier post...why didn't the letter writer, or anybody here call on The View to shut up also? If anybody wants to shut up Bruce, then they should be balanced and call for everybody to shut up. Why are people pigenholing? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Ok, so it's fine for you to point the finger at me instead. I'll agree, I should've pointed the finger, but I didn't see the point. It's like we're all in a room, and I said calm down Is that really wrong? Next time, I'll just say nothing and let things spin out of control to hyperbole... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, You are so off base. Read my comment. It wasn't addressed to any one person, it was merely placed as a reply in a reply after things got nasty. How dare you try and discredit me for trying to keep things civil. I didn't point a single finger, and for you to suggest I did is 100% wrong. The problem is you DIDN'T point the finger, Jack. Only one guy was personalizing; you shouldn't have dumped acrman in with him. Point the finger at the guy who is doing it. Go over his posts for the past two or three weeks. He peronalized repeatedly with me and I just simply didn't respond. You said nothing. NOTHING. Had I responded, you would have jumped in and said this stuff now has to stop. You say nothing when someone of your political thinking personalizes repeatedy, but become feux arbitrator of civility when the target responds. Arcman peronalized nothing. You can't take him to task for anything. Now take to task by name the one guy who did personlize, or you'll lose all creditbility. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The producers of teh View doesn't give a crap what you or anyone else has to say. If people watch and the sponsors are happy nothing else matters. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:37 AM Back to my earlier post...why didn't the letter writer, or anybody here call on The View to shut up also? If anybody wants to shut up Bruce, then they should be balanced and call for everybody to shut up. Why are people pigenholing? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so it's fine for you to point the finger at me instead. I'll agree, I should've pointed the finger, but I didn't see the point. It's like we're all in a room, and I said calm down Is that really wrong? Next time, I'll just say nothing and let things spin out of control to hyperbole... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, You are so off base. Read my comment. It wasn't addressed to any one person, it was merely placed as a reply in a reply after things got nasty. How dare you try and discredit me for trying to keep things civil. I didn't point a single finger, and for you to suggest I did is 100% wrong. The problem is you DIDN'T point the finger, Jack. Only one guy was personalizing; you shouldn't have dumped acrman in with him. Point the finger at the guy who is doing it. Go over his posts for the past two or three weeks. He peronalized repeatedly with me and I just simply didn't respond. You said nothing. NOTHING. Had I responded, you would have jumped in and said this stuff now has to stop. You say nothing when someone of your political thinking personalizes repeatedy, but become feux arbitrator of civility when the target responds. Arcman peronalized nothing. You can't take him to task for anything. Now take to task by name the one guy who did personlize, or you'll lose all creditbility. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh, What credibility is that? --- On Thu, 10/9/08, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:32 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, You are so off base. Read my comment. It wasn't addressed to any one person, it was merely placed as a reply in a reply after things got nasty. How dare you try and discredit me for trying to keep things civil. I didn't point a single finger, and for you to suggest I did is 100% wrong. The problem is you DIDN'T point the finger, Jack. Only one guy was personalizing; you shouldn't have dumped acrman in with him. Point the finger at the guy who is doing it. Go over his posts for the past two or three weeks. He peronalized repeatedly with me and I just simply didn't respond. You said nothing. NOTHING. Had I responded, you would have jumped in and said this stuff now has to stop. You say nothing when someone of your political thinking personalizes repeatedy, but become feux arbitrator of civility when the target responds. Arcman peronalized nothing. You can't take him to task for anything. Now take to task by name the one guy who did personlize, or you'll lose all creditbility. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It sells music and keeps him relevant. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:38 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... wrote: ...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? In that case, how can you prove anyone's motivations? Does Bruce really care about the Iraq war ending? Or does he just support it because it's the popular thing to do? Only he knows the truth. I'm not saying he doesn't, but if you question one you must question all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The free market is home of the self-made man. Try it in any other country. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:22 AM The Right only approves of the Free Market when it benefits Right Wingers, not the Left. And they, apparently, judging from their support of W. and McCain, have no use for self-made men. On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Jack Pitzer wrote: Using the shut up... logic Letterman - shut up and be funny Cartman - shut up and be a 2-d animated character Leno - Same as Letterman Peter Gabriel - same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped things in South Africa Pete Seegar - Same as Bruce - but don't forget his political songs helped clean up waterways around our country, most notably the Hudson River. Saying Shut up and.. just says you could care less about freedom of speech. And when that woman who wrote the letter takes the time to mention how rich people like Bruce and Bon Jovi are, she fails to note that they came from humble beginnings. They worked their asses off at bar band wages for years, and then people bought their music, and they earned their money. That doesn't mean that their humble beginnings aren't still a part of who they are. \--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh. Where does Shut up and the right to speak intersect, again? On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: Why do people like you assert that folks like Ms. Lallo and me are attacking Springsteen's right to speak? We aren't. We are speaking too. We're sayhing, Shut up and Sing. By disagreeing with me, should I say you are attacking me right to speak? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. Celebrities have a right, like everyone else, to endorse a candidate. And they also have a right to show up at political rallies and speak their mind. If you do not want to listen, don't listen. Don't go to their concerts, rallies, change the channel or station etc. I think what people are really upset about is that an entertainer that they like disagrees with them about politics. Well, tough. And that their celebrity status gives them a bigger voice than yours. That's just life. There are people I hate to listen to as well, but I can't say that they should not have a right to speak because I disagree with them! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Entertainers too political October 9, 2008 This is just a short shout-out to all the musicians out there who have determined they are the utmost authority for doling out political advice: Shut up and sing! Where do these artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp get the idea they can tell me who to vote for? They sit in their lofty mansions in Rumson, Colts Neck, Middletown and Long Island and proceed to tell us the economy is bad. How do they know? Is it because we no longer can afford to pay the $100 to $500 per ticket to see them? Oh, that's right, maybe their wallets are hurting because of this. Somehow, I don't think their wallets are hurting as much as mine. I used to be a big fan of all the above. I can remember Springsteen going ballistic when Ronald Reagan used his name in a speech. He said he didn't want to get political. Why is it OK now? I realize I'm a small fish in their arsenal of money (oh, I mean fans), but I no longer listen to any of these artists. Back in the day, their music made me forget, made me dream and soothed my anxious state. Now, they are no better than evangelists who beg for money in the name of God and commit all kinds of ungodly acts. Well, I don't have to listen to them. I can change the channel when they are preaching. It's bad enough we have to listen to the politicos on CNBC, Fox and so forth, but at least that is their job. Politicking is not the job of these artists their job is to entertain, and I am no longer entertained. Vikki Lallo TOMS RIVER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group
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No moderates are voting for McCain. Not with Palin on the ticket. There's nothing moderate to vote for. On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:05 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Righties agreeing with each other. Alert the press. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, justifiedright wrote: First of all, I'm actually a moderate who is voting for McCain. JR is just sticking up for the candidate he is voting for, just like you stand up for yours. By the way, I'm still waiting for your incredible wisdom to enlighten me as to how I'm in another universe of reality. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
