Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Prayer and Sacrifice

2007-09-04 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:48:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There are  groups:  Blue Star Mothers of America, a support group, that 
councils  spouses of their needs, financially and morally, The USO, ...We are 
constantly  gathering supplies, such as lotions,... are in constant need, for 
lack 
of  these items being readily available

The media would have us believe that Cheny's Halliburton was  tending to all 
those needs via their no-bid contracts.  Some of the clips  they used to show 
made it look like Main Street, Vacationland.
 

That along  with money donated to purchase all of the other items, add up and 
are largely  donated by retired workers, like me.  
...pregnant pause...
 

It may not  seem like much, but the letters and photos we receive, are worth 
it.   This group did a lot of good, when AP had its' Katrina Drive right after 
the  storm.  I met many of the incredible people in this group and those who  
know me, know that I'm eternally grateful!  We come through, when  needed
Wow, Sharon, what a great tribute to the value of community  service, human 
interaction, and selfless giving.

just don't  know how this war is going to affect citizens, for decades to 
come!  It's  a shame!
All those unaccounted for billions are a shame, more likely  criminal!
Regaining our lost goodwill will take decades.   




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Prayer and Sacrifice

2007-09-04 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
 
In a message dated 9/3/2007  10:20:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:

However or  on the other hand sound to me like I would be sayihng 
something  contrary.
Perhads, additionally or not only  that?

Perhaps.  Let's see. 
 
My gist was:
The simple display of God Bless... or the Flag on your sleeve, SUV,  or 
home doesn't really amount to support for our military.  Without  shared 
sacrifice, it's tokenism and show biz.  Only military personnel and  their 
families 
are sacrificing in this war.  
 
Your point: 

To the troop himself I imagine it means a  great deal.  To go into battle, to 
kill and risk being killed, I think I  would want to feel a closeness with 
God. I would want to be sure in my cause  being just, to be able to reconcile 
the killing with my religeous  belief. 
Forget the perhaps.  I'll stick with however or on the other hand.
 
E.g.
 
Without any real sacrifice, the  average citizen's God Bless Our Troops and 
patriotism rings hollow;  however, a spiritual closeness duty must mean a 
great deal  to a man or woman in combat. 
 
or
 
The average citizen's trappings of  patriotism and religion, without shared 
sacrifice for the war, ring hollow; on  the other hand, a sense of spirituality 
and/or patriotic duty must mean a great  deal to many men and women in actual 
combat.
 
If Werner were posting, he would  have said a while back,
 
That's all very interesting;  however, let's bring the focus back to Asbury  
Park.
 
His points would not exactly  be contrary; but additionally or not only 
that don't work.
 
 
Nevertheless,
 
Cordiali  saluti




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Prayer and Sacrifice

2007-09-03 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 9/3/2007 6:11:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Twist your  words?  Friend my post didn't even disagree with yours.   
I simple added a new  thought.
Then use transitional words or phrases:  however,  on the  other hand, 
etc.
 
Otherwise, What we've got here is failure to  communicate.  Cool Hand Luke
 

That's a  sure sign of how much you hate  me.
You said the magic word.  Goucho Marx
 
If that's what you want to think fine.Some men  you just can't reach, so 
you get what we had here last week which is the way he  wants it.  Cool Hand 
Luke
 
But don't sully my rep with that childish you hate me.  
 
A line can be drawn between a person and their words or ideas.   So I can 
hate the sin while remaining disinterested in the sinner; and now since  the 
sinner broke our bargain, I don't have to buy all those drinks at The Wonder  
Bar.
 
And I don't like it any more than you men.  Cool  Hand Luke




Cordiali  saluti,



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