[Assam] Beijing the Bully

[Pradip Kumar Datta]

Beijing the Bully
China’s refusal to grant visa to Gonesh Koyu, an IAS officer of the Arunachal 
Pradesh cadre who was among a 107-strong delegation of IAS officers set to 
visit China for training at the prestigious Beijing National Academy of 
Administration, has come at a time when India is leaving its past behind and 
moving with diplomatic pragmatism to cement its ties with the neighbouring 
giant. Mr Koyu was denied visa on the grounds that China still considers 
Arunachal Pradesh a part of its own territory and not India’s, and that the 
‘‘disputed status’’ of Arunachal Pradesh obviously prevents Chinese diplomacy 
from effecting a visa regime for people from its ‘‘own’’ territory. This is a 
total perversion of the fact of the day. India, on its part, did the right 
thing by cancelling the proposed trip of IAS officers. In this lies the Indian 
assertion that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India, and just that. 
In this is also manifest the unfolding of a resurgent India refusing to be
 cowed down by Beijing’s bullying tactics. While Beijing may have stormed into 
the dynamics of free-market economics and dictated terms to set new global 
trends, India does not lag behind either, despite a plethora of problems. A 
global player in the making — and recognized by the international community 
today — India cannot remain a mute spectator to the overtly aggressive Chinese 
design on Arunachal Pradesh. It would be reassuring indeed if Prime Minister 
Manmohan Singh himself had straightaway sent a message to his Chinese 
counterpart conveying India’s downright rejection of the Chinese claim on any 
part of Arunachal Pradesh. The message should also have it that as long as 
China cherishes Arunachal Pradesh as part of its expansionist design, there 
cannot be any pragmatic move towards resolving the vexed issues between the two 
countries; and that recognition of each other’s well-defined territories with 
settled populations, leaving the phantoms of the past behind, is the
 only way out of the impasse. 
On the flip side of it all, one wonders whether China realizes that India has 
come a long way from the Nehruvian era — reminiscent of that meek psychological 
surrender of 1962 when Jawaharlal Nehru’s ‘‘heart went out to the people of 
Assam’’ as the Chinese forces rampaged through Arunachal Pradesh. Today the 
Indian Prime Minister will definitely not surrender in that characteristic 
Nehruvian style. It is high time Beijing realized this Indian 
politico-diplomatic metamorphosis. More important, as Beijing strives to set 
new global trends by economic miracles, it would only make a laughing stock of 
itself and its people by eyeing an integral part of its neighbour, India, no 
less powerful and economically buoyant. We understand that there is no 
likelihood of any war between India and China on Arunachal Pradesh; so what 
does China want to prove by harping on Arunachal Pradesh? That it can still 
bully around without being scoffed at?
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[Assam] NSCN(IM) gives out a parallel govern ment dictum. The organisation’s supposed acce ptance of the Indian Constitution ‘empowers’ it to be the judge, jury and the executioner?

[Bartta Bistar]

[image: *]  *NSCN-IM order to contain riots*

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IN a move that may have a significant impact on Naga society, the NSCN(IM)
has issued what it calls a six-point azhas which empowers its cadres to
shoot at sight to contain riots/arson, not unlike the one that took place at
Dimapur recently. The NSCN(IM)'s joint council is said to have taken the
decision keeping in mind the current situation. According to the new
directive, a mass agitation against the military (Naga Army — its armed
wing) would be treated as instigating and encouraging its adversaries. In
such a situation the commander on duty has been empowered to exercise
maximum force, even to the extent of causing grievous injury/death of the
agitators to bring them under control. Such mob uprising shall be considered
as human shields motivated and employed by the 'enemy' and hence use of
force is justified, the council opined.
Again, in a bid to curve the activities of its cadres the council has
resolved to suspend and recall to headquaters for invesigations and trial
any 'NSCN member disturbing social orders and law and order, causing loss
of lives, injuries or damage to property.
The rival NSCN(Khaplang) has, however, criticised the azhas and called it
a diabolic conspiracy to curb the freedom of liberty- loving Nagas.
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Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from the trader community in Assam

[SANDIP DUTTA]

May we hear again what comprises the political soln. as envisaged by you.

Rgds,
SD


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From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from 
the trader community in Assam


What I propose is to bring the conflict to an end, through negotiations and a 
political solution. Even Indian military brass, time and again, have declared 
that the conflict could be ended only with a political solution. And even the 
most reactionary of newspapers have declared, time and again, that the conflict 
will not end, unless the root causes are addressed and solutions found.


MY question for Jyoti is: WHAT is YOUR solution? What do YOU propose?


Of course we have seen Jyoti's earlier proposals. Now if I asked him to grade 
those proposals, like a teacher might do to a student's home-work, how would 
Jyoti grade his own work?


Some suggested grades:


A -- for brilliant, imaginative
B -- for having a decent chance at success
C -- for Childish
D -- for DUMB






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At 5:24 PM -0500 5/30/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
I agree and do the same - call around to find out if everyone is ok.

 

 

 

 

In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass

- Lakshmana

 

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:26:57 +0800
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: assam@assamnet.org
 Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands 
 from the trader community in Assam is a positive development. Every one 
 should look at the ULFA stand as the core issue. NOT to treat i

  ... instead of shedding crocodile tears like so many of our
 highly intelligent friends here, who are never affected by what is
 happening?
 Everyone who has someone in Assam is affected. Everytime a bomb
 blast happens I have to check the papers and call home to see that
 everyone is OK.
 Is this the Freedom that you are proposing ?

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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city - Sentinel

[Chan Mahanta]

Ram:

But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be 
changing and not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against 
the ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the 
military)



*** This has become the broken record slogan of those who have run 
out of ideas and unaffected by what goes on, the mantra to chant to 
pass for something being done to end the conflict.


I have heard this over and over again, about every six months or so, 
except the words re-organized in slightly different ways.




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At 10:04 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da

 Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP vs Congress battle.

I think I could well agree with you. I mean, any  political group 
will now take advantage (if it can) out of the situation - (othi 
bhokti), Isn;t that how band wagons are garnered in the first 
place?


But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be 
changing and not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against 
the ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the 
military)
There is a limit, even for ordinary folks, as to how much a group 
like the ulfa can frighten them into submission and just plain 
acquiescence and for how long. They kind a tolerated and even went 
along for a while - till they plainly saw where they are being led 
into - nowhere and into oblivion.


--Ram


On 5/30/07, Chan Mahanta 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose 
President's Rule in the State for the State Government's failure to 
tackle the activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists 
in the State.







Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP  vs Congress battle. ULFA just 
happens to be a convenient catalyst.























At 6:30 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Where is all that much touted support? Not in the villages, nor in 
the cities?







Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city
'Paresh Baruahar dalali nasaliba'
By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, May 30: Anti-ULFA slogans resonated in the air in the city 
today when hundreds of people responded to the call of a number of 
senior journalists and writers, and took to the streets with a 
protest march followed by a rally. The Bharatiya Janata Yuba Morcha 
(BJYM), on the other hand, took out a separate procession and staged 
a dharna near the Dighalipukhuri in the city demanding immediate 
imposition of President's Rule in the State for the failure of the 
State Government to tackle the activities of the ISI and other 
Islamic fundamentalists in the State.
Responding to the call of as many as 14 senior journalists and 
writers like Dhirendranath Chakravarty, Ranen Kumar Goswami, Rupam 
Baruah, Nirupama Borgohain and others, over 100 activists of various 
organizations like the Athgaon Binapani Samiti, Brihattar Athgaon 
Rajohuwa Samiti, the Assam Public Works (APW) etc took to the 
streets from the Guwahati Press Club (GPC) to the office of the 
Deputy Commissioner and returned to the GPC where they held a rally. 
Slogans like aah oi aah, ulai aah; khed oi khed; ULFA khed (come and 
drive the ULFA away), ISI hoshiyar (ISI, be careful), PCGik eghoria 
kar (outcast the PCG from the society), Paresh Baruahar dalali 
nasaliba (broker Paresh Baruah's policy won't be allowed), Dhakar 
adesh aami naamaanu (we won't obey Dhaka's diktat) etc rocked the 
thoroughfares of the city from the GPC to the DC office and back 
when the processionists began to shout slogans against the killing 
in the city and the State by the ULFA.
Speaking at the rally later, Ranen Kumar Goswami said: We don't 
want an independent Asom as demanded by the ULFA, and we will never 
accept the diktat of Dhaka or Islamabad. The ULFA should stop 
killing in the State or else the people of the State won't remain 
mute spectators.
Meanwhile, there was a hot altercation between BJYM president Dilip 
Saikia and district Magistrate CK Bhuyan on the permission for the 
procession taken by the BJYM against the State Government's failure 
to bring the law-and-order situation under its control.


The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose 
President's Rule in the State for the State Government's failure to 
tackle the activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists 
in the State. The BJYM staged a dharna near the Dighalipukhuri in 
support of its demands.



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[Assam] Ulfa shifts focus, asserts ‘gallantr y’ - The Statesman

[Ram Sarangapani]

What about this C'da?
_
**
*Ulfa shifts focus, asserts 'gallantry'*

Nava Thakuria
THE Ulfa has returned to its pet agenda of challenging the armed forces. Its
military spokesman, Raju Baruah, has warned security forces of dire
consequences if they did not stop killing its unarmed members in bogus
encounters.
In the 1980s, the Ulfa projected an image of being an enemy to the crooked,
friend to the deprived. But it slowly tarnished this image when its cadres
began targeting journalists, social activists and political workers who were
critical of its activities. There are instances of sophisticatedly armed
Ulfa cadres misbehaving with and killing people, not even sparing women and
children. All the time the Ulfa leaders followed the principle that if you
are not with us, you must be with the enemies.
The local population began losing faith in the outfit, as was clear from
reports in the local media. The mindless killing of innocents and bomb
blasts carried out by its cadres at crowded places made it difficult for the
people to understand Ulfa's primary objective of garnering public support
for its cause.
The leaders, of course, had tried their best to generate support on various
occasions but failed. In a recent fake encounter in upper Assam, where the
stage was set for a perfect anti-Army ambience, the outfit stepped in and
appealed to the people to join in the move. Taking a cue from the killing of
a young man by the security forces, the locals decided to block the National
Highway, where thousands of others joined in to raise their voice against
the excesses by security personnel. But soon the situation turned ugly for
Ulfa with the arrival of a group of people from nearby tea gardens.
Initially, it was a series of heated arguments between Ulfa sympathisers and
the group of tea garden workers who had become unnerved when the supplies of
essential commodities was stopped following the blockade and finally clashed
with them. Eight people were killed and 25 injured. When the situation
worsened, the administration sought help from Tinsukia.
The fake encounter drew public attention when a man from Laopati village
in Tinsukia district fell victim to the circumstances. Twenty-four-year-old
Buddheswar Moran, a watchman in a local tea plantation, was killed by
security personnel at midnight of 5 May. These personnel of the Jammu and
Kashmir Rifles initially claimed Buddheswar was associated with the Ulfa,
but locals denied this and later the Army admitted that Buddheswar had no
link with the underground group. It even apologised for the unfortunate
incident and ordered a probe. The killing of Budheswar Moran was
unfortunate, said Major-General NC Marwah, GoC, Second Mountain Division.
The public resentment even compelled the state governmenti to ask the
security forces not to commit excesses and ensure basic human rights of
civilians during counter-insurgency operations. Dispur also ordered an
independent probe.
Meanwhile, a large crowd assembled at Dhola on NH 37 to protest against
Buddheswar's killing. Shouting anti-Army slogans, the villagers started an
indefinite blockade of the highway on 7 May. Some in Kakopathar and Doom
Dooma also protested. The Ulfa lost no time in lending its support. The
mounting anti-Army agitation justifies our stand that the Army has unleashed
a reign of terror in Asom, claimed Ulfa chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa.
However, the situation became murkier after a group of tea workers appeared.
They asked the agitators to lift the blockade so that trucks could bring in
essential supplies. The two groups clashed on 13 May at Tiphuk. The Assam
Tea Tribe Students' Association supported the community, saying they were
not against the agitation to condemn the Army excesses but to oppose the
demonstration. Putting up a blockade on a primary road for more than a week
is enough for the tea labourer families to get annoyed, said ATTSA
president Prahlad Goala and secretary Padmalochan Das in a press statement.
As the Ulfa leaders failed to gain anything from this, they started
targeting migrant labourers in the locality. In two days (15-16 May), its
cadres killed nine Hindi- speaking workers in upper Assam.

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Re: [Assam] NSCN(IM) gives out a parallel govern ment dictum. The organisation’s supposed acce ptance of the Indian Constitution ‘empowers’ it to be the judge, jury and the executioner?

[Ram Sarangapani]

* a mass agitation against the military (Naga Army — its armed wing) would
be treated as instigating and encouraging its adversaries. In such a
situation the commander on duty has been empowered to exercise maximum
force, even to the extent of causing grievous injury/death of the agitators
to bring them under control. Such mob uprising shall be considered as human
shields motivated and employed by the 'enemy' and hence use of force is
justified*

Just want readers to focus on this a bit. It seems to be precursor of things
to come.
Is BB preparing the groundwork? One fine day, when peaceful Assamese are
protesting against the ULFA, the brave ULFA cadres will shoot to kill.
The protests of course will stop immediately, and the ULFA can declare
success (and even support from the locals).They can then tell the world, we
told you so, the Indian Army does it all the time etc.

--Ram


On 5/31/07, Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[image: *]  *NSCN-IM order to contain riots *

[image: *]
http://www.samachar.com/showurl.php?regional=yesrurl=http://www.thestatesman.net/

IN a move that may have a significant impact on Naga society, the NSCN(IM)
has issued what it calls a six-point azhas which empowers its cadres to
shoot at sight to contain riots/arson, not unlike the one that took place at
Dimapur recently. The NSCN(IM)'s joint council is said to have taken the
decision keeping in mind the current situation. According to the new
directive, a mass agitation against the military (Naga Army — its armed
wing) would be treated as instigating and encouraging its adversaries. In
such a situation the commander on duty has been empowered to exercise
maximum force, even to the extent of causing grievous injury/death of the
agitators to bring them under control. Such mob uprising shall be considered
as human shields motivated and employed by the 'enemy' and hence use of
force is justified, the council opined.
Again, in a bid to curve the activities of its cadres the council has
resolved to suspend and recall to headquaters for invesigations and trial
any 'NSCN member disturbing social orders and law and order, causing loss
of lives, injuries or damage to property.
The rival NSCN(Khaplang) has, however, criticised the azhas and called
it a diabolic conspiracy to curb the freedom of liberty- loving Nagas.




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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city - Sentinel

[Ram Sarangapani]

*** This has become the broken record slogan of those who have run out of
ideas and unaffected by what goes on,


C'da

The mass protests all over Guwahati (not just by a few organizations), the
lynching of the Ulfa Cadre, and even the protest/clash by tea garden workers
(see my other post from the Statesman).. are all these made-up?

Or are you saying, these things don't matter and who cares?

--Ram

On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Ram:


But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be changing and
not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against the
ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the military)




*** This has become the broken record slogan of those who have run out of
ideas and unaffected by what goes on, the mantra to chant to pass for
something being done to end the conflict.


I have heard this over and over again, about every six months or so,
except the words re-organized in slightly different ways.






c-da






















At 10:04 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da



Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP vs Congress battle.



I think I could well agree with you. I mean, any  political group will now
take advantage (if it can) out of the situation - (othi bhokti), Isn;t
that how band wagons are garnered in the first place?



But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be changing and
not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against the
ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the military)

There is a limit, even for ordinary folks, as to how much a group like the
ulfa can frighten them into submission and just plain acquiescence and for
how long. They kind a tolerated and even went along for a while - till they
plainly saw where they are being led into - nowhere and into oblivion.



--Ram



On 5/30/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose
President's Rule in the State for the State Government's failure to tackle
the activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists in the State.










Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP  vs Congress battle. ULFA just happens to
be a convenient catalyst.


































At 6:30 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Where is all that much touted support? Not in the villages, nor in the
cities?

 



*Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city
**'Paresh Baruahar dalali nasaliba'**
*By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, May 30: Anti-ULFA slogans resonated in the air in the city today
when hundreds of people responded to the call of a number of senior
journalists and writers, and took to the streets with a protest march
followed by a rally. The Bharatiya Janata Yuba Morcha (BJYM), on the other
hand, took out a separate procession and staged a dharna near the
Dighalipukhuri in the city demanding immediate imposition of President's
Rule in the State for the failure of the State Government to tackle the
activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists in the State.
Responding to the call of as many as 14 senior journalists and writers
like Dhirendranath Chakravarty, Ranen Kumar Goswami, Rupam Baruah, Nirupama
Borgohain and others, over 100 activists of various organizations like the
Athgaon Binapani Samiti, Brihattar Athgaon Rajohuwa Samiti, the Assam Public
Works (APW) etc took to the streets from the Guwahati Press Club (GPC) to
the office of the Deputy Commissioner and returned to the GPC where they
held a rally.* Slogans like aah oi aah, ulai aah; khed oi khed; ULFA khed
(come and drive the ULFA away), ISI hoshiyar (ISI, be careful), PCGik
eghoria kar (outcast the PCG from the society), Paresh Baruahar dalali
nasaliba* (broker Paresh Baruah's policy won't be allowed), Dhakar adesh
aami naamaanu (we won't obey Dhaka's diktat) etc rocked the thoroughfares of
the city from the GPC to the DC office and back when the processionists
began to shout slogans against the killing in the city and the State by the
ULFA.
Speaking at the rally later, Ranen Kumar Goswami said: We don't want an
independent Asom as demanded by the ULFA, and we will never accept the
diktat of Dhaka or Islamabad. The ULFA should stop killing in the State or
else the people of the State won't remain mute spectators.

Meanwhile, there was a hot altercation between BJYM president Dilip Saikia
and district Magistrate CK Bhuyan on the permission for the procession taken
by the BJYM against the State Government's failure to bring the
law-and-order situation under its control.

The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose President's
Rule in the State for the State Government's failure to tackle the
activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists in the State. The
BJYM staged a dharna near the Dighalipukhuri in support of its demands.


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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city - Sentinel

[umesh sharma]

good effort.

***We don't want an independent Asom as demanded by the ULFA, and we will 
never accept the diktat of Dhaka or Islamabad. The ULFA should stop killing in 
the State or else the people of the State won't remain mute spectators.

Umesh

Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is all that much touted 
support? Not in the villages, nor in the cities? 
 
  
 Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city
'Paresh Baruahar dalali nasaliba'  
By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, May 30: Anti-ULFA slogans resonated in the air in the city today when 
hundreds of people responded to the call of a number of senior journalists and 
writers, and took to the streets with a protest march followed by a rally. The 
Bharatiya Janata Yuba Morcha (BJYM), on the other hand, took out a separate 
procession and staged a dharna near the Dighalipukhuri in the city demanding 
immediate imposition of President's Rule in the State for the failure of the 
State Government to tackle the activities of the ISI and other Islamic 
fundamentalists in the State. 
Responding to the call of as many as 14 senior journalists and writers like 
Dhirendranath Chakravarty, Ranen Kumar Goswami, Rupam Baruah, Nirupama 
Borgohain and others, over 100 activists of various organizations like the 
Athgaon Binapani Samiti, Brihattar Athgaon Rajohuwa Samiti, the Assam Public 
Works (APW) etc took to the streets from the Guwahati Press Club (GPC) to the 
office of the Deputy Commissioner and returned to the GPC where they held a 
rally.  Slogans like aah oi aah, ulai aah; khed oi khed; ULFA khed (come and 
drive the ULFA away), ISI hoshiyar (ISI, be careful), PCGik eghoria kar 
(outcast the PCG from the society), Paresh Baruahar dalali nasaliba  (broker 
Paresh Baruah's policy won't be allowed), Dhakar adesh aami naamaanu (we won't 
obey Dhaka's diktat) etc rocked the thoroughfares of the city from the GPC to 
the DC office and back when the processionists began to shout slogans against 
the killing in the city and the State by the ULFA. 
Speaking at the rally later, Ranen Kumar Goswami said: We don't want an 
independent Asom as demanded by the ULFA, and we will never accept the diktat 
of Dhaka or Islamabad. The ULFA should stop killing in the State or else the 
people of the State won't remain mute spectators. 
Meanwhile, there was a hot altercation between BJYM president Dilip Saikia and 
district Magistrate CK Bhuyan on the permission for the procession taken by the 
BJYM against the State Government's failure to bring the law-and-order 
situation under its control.  
The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose President's Rule 
in the State for the State Government's failure to tackle the activities of the 
ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists in the State. The BJYM staged a dharna 
near the Dighalipukhuri in support of its demands. 
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Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study that you participated in

[umesh sharma]

Dilip-da,

That is interesting but not new:

***Consistent with geography and with the analysis in Figure 2A, among the 
Indian populations, populations from the northwest part of India, including the 
Kashmiri and Punjabi groups, had the greatest similarity to the populations 
from Europe and the Middle East. Populations from eastern India, including the 
Assamese and Bengalis, had the greatest similarity to the populations from East 
Asia. The only population whose Fst values within India substantially 
overlapped those of either Europe/Middle East or East Asia was the Parsi 
population. Fst values for the Parsis were similar within India and with 
populations from Europe and the Middle East, in agreement with their likely 
origins and their similar membership in the blue and red clusters in Figure 2A 
(52.4% for the blue cluster, 45.3% for the red cluster). In general, Fst 
between pairs of populations within India did not show a strong correlation 
with geographic distance (Figure 6). The correlation was greater when
 excluding pairs involving the Parsi population, but remained considerably 
smaller than has been seen for other sets of worldwide populations [20,21].

Umesh

Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 06:08:42 
-0700 (PDT)
From: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: Study that you participated in 
To: ASSAMNET assam@assamnet.org

  My wife Dil took the lead in contacting the Assamese families in Texas to 
provide the samples for the Assamese group of the Indian-Americans in the 
study. When we met Pragna Patel she spoke eloquently on the subject of genetic 
variations. During our conversation, she expected variation among the Indian 
genetic samples. However as the study says Indian samples form one group and 
there is not much variation in the group.
   
  If you want more information on the subject, please contact Pragna directly.
  Dilip Deka
   
  P.S. This is  purely a scientific study in genes and diseases. Do not mix it 
with political discussions that frequent this net, though the Hindustan Times 
attempts to do so.
  === 

Pragna Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Subject: Study that you participated in 
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:57:33 -0700
From: Pragna Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Study Participant,
  The study on Genetic variation in Indians that you participated in was 
published and it was the subject of an Editorial in Hindustan  Times. 
  Please see the following links for details and email me if you have any 
questions or if your information needs to be updated. 
  
  The article is seen at:
  
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmedpubmedid=17194221
  The  Hindustan Times Editorial may be seen at:
  
http://www.usc.edu/schools/medicine/research/institutes/igm/face.php?C=whats_new_patel
  For those of you who do not know, I have moved to University of Southern  
California from Baylor College of Medicine and my new details are below. 
  Many thanks for your participation. It really made a difference!
  We have now launched a research study on the genetics of heart disease and 
type 2 diabetes in Asian Indians. If you or anybody you know is interested in  
this study, please do visit our website: www.usc.edu/RICADIA and send me your 
information or you may directly email me. 
  
  Best wishes, 
  
  Pragna Patel
  
  Pragna Patel
Institute for Genetic Medicine
University of Southern California
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Re: [Assam] About My Instigations and Your Contributions

[Nayanjyoti Medhi]

:)

nayan

On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Nayan:

 Hope you have a fruitful and enjoyable trip to Geneva. I presume you
 are in a delegation--perhaps on the interest of promoting
 jurisprudence and the rule of law. I am sure you will do justice to
 your mission.

 In the meantime, your CONDITION below:

   Accept my invitation and I will answer all your questions.

 Means only one thing: You are evading answering the question. Your
 condition has nothing to do with whether *I* accept your invitation
 to witness the bloodshed. It is a childish, clueless proposition,
 unbecoming of someone of your training and standing in society.


 The question I asked is a very simple one. If you cannot muster the
 courage of your convictions , for such a black and white issue, to
 tell us WHERE you stand , it means only one thing: Your commitments
 to bringing peace back to Assam is phonier than a three rupee note.
 All your heart-bleed in this forum is little more than abject
 shedding of crocodile tears.


 I surely believe that as I was the Advocate fighting for release of
 the DHD (ceasefire group) when their cadres were arrested by the
 Indian Army in violation of the ceasefire ground rules. And
 ultimately the Gauhati High Court released those cadres.

 *** That does not mean a darn thing. You will, do quite the opposite
 too, if HIRED to do that.  Like a lawyer will go defend an accused
 even if he knows him to be guilty, just as well if he knows him to be
 not guilty. That is dictated by your professional ethos. Wouldn't you
 remain true to  that?

 c-da









 At 10:44 PM +0530 5/30/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
 C-Da,
 Accept my invitation and I will answer all your questions. And as
 regards the following:
 
 *** That shows your fair-and-balanced outlook and respect for the
 law which, I presume,  holds no one should be held guilty until so
 proven in a court of justice.
 
 I surely believe that as I was the Advocate fighting for release of
 the DHD (ceasefire group) when their cadres were arrested by the
 Indian Army in violation of the ceasefire ground rules. And
 ultimately the Gauhati High Court released those cadres.
 
 Regards
 
 Nayan
 
 p.s: I did not post my observations in assamnet to intimidate you, I
 did that because maybe you could contribute in lessening of the
 killings of innocent people. I apologise. I was wrong.
 
 
 On 5/30/07, Chan Mahanta
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Nayan:
 
 
 
 
 I'm glad that at last you admitted that you are a wimp.
 
 
 *** Didn't realize you were under the mistaken idea that I was
 otherwise. Why didn't you just ask. I am not ashamed of being a wimp
 to admit it. Haven't you noticed how I never accuse anyone of being
 a 'coward' unlike your brave compatriots in assamnet?  That is
 because I am one myself :-).
 
 
 
 
   about the suicide bomber thing, no matter who ever says that, Till
 the attacks are against the civilians of Assam, they will be
 deplorable and taken as an act of terrorism by the people of assam
 against them and not as anything else.
 
 
 *** I am sure  your warning will be taken due note of those who
 might be contemplating such.  Question is whether they will be
 shaking in their chappals  from it ? If past and present experience
 is any guide however, that may not be enough of a deterrence. What
 do you think ? Maybe you can as ask a Tamil Tiger or a Kashmir
 Freedom Fighter if they are deterred by warnings of the righteous
 like yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Will you be able to demonstrate your  commitments to a peaceful
 resolution of the conflict by  standing up and supporting the plea
 of the 'traders'   published in the AT that Barta Bistar posted ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   In case you have not noticed, I have not commented upon the doings
 of any organisations until now
 
 
 *** That shows your fair-and-balanced outlook and respect for the
 law which, I presume,  holds no one should be held guilty until so
 proven in a court of justice. Such magnanimity is the stuff of
 legends and differentiates a high-court advocate  from ordinary
 mortals .
 
 
 
 
I as a concerned citizen of Assam, would like the fear factor out
 of the minds of the people, who are afraid to venture out to any
 market areas even during the day time.
 
 
 *** That must make you unique! Glad you pointed that out.
 
 
 
 
 
 
   So for me and for the people of assam, who does not have the means
 to find out who are behind such heinous acts, these will be just
 random acts of terrorism.
 
 
 *** There you go! You do know how to distance yourself from the
 realities that surround you with the use of words. Just like Ram
 distanced himself from the humanity of those people who appealed to
 GoI for bringing and end to the violence thru negotiations with just
 one word TRADERS,  thus discounting their humanity and concerns.
 
 
 With such intellectual bravery, you all  hold up your civilization
 as a beacon to 

Re: [Assam] Ulfa shifts focus, asserts 'gallantr y' - The Statesman

[Chan Mahanta]

Garbage!

Look at the guy's SPIN:

	The fake encounter drew public attention when a man from 
Laopati village in

 Tinsukia district fell victim to the circumstances.


He must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed bringing bad luck 
to himself!



	The killing of Budheswar Moran was unfortunate, said 
Major-General NC

Marwah, GoC, Second Mountain Division.

*** Tsk, tsk!  How terrible these folks are, complaining even after 
Marwah's apology.


Somehow military 'oopses ' must be MORE honorable than ULFA's. Isn't 
that what it meansd?









At 6:12 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

What about this C'da?
_

Ulfa shifts focus, asserts 'gallantry'

Nava Thakuria
THE Ulfa has returned to its pet agenda of challenging the armed 
forces. Its military spokesman, Raju Baruah, has warned security 
forces of dire consequences if they did not stop killing its 
unarmed members in bogus encounters.
In the 1980s, the Ulfa projected an image of being an enemy to the 
crooked, friend to the deprived. But it slowly tarnished this image 
when its cadres began targeting journalists, social activists and 
political workers who were critical of its activities. There are 
instances of sophisticatedly armed Ulfa cadres misbehaving with and 
killing people, not even sparing women and children. All the time 
the Ulfa leaders followed the principle that if you are not with 
us, you must be with the enemies.
The local population began losing faith in the outfit, as was clear 
from reports in the local media. The mindless killing of innocents 
and bomb blasts carried out by its cadres at crowded places made it 
difficult for the people to understand Ulfa's primary objective of 
garnering public support for its cause.
The leaders, of course, had tried their best to generate support on 
various occasions but failed. In a recent fake encounter in upper 
Assam, where the stage was set for a perfect anti-Army ambience, the 
outfit stepped in and appealed to the people to join in the move. 
Taking a cue from the killing of a young man by the security forces, 
the locals decided to block the National Highway, where thousands of 
others joined in to raise their voice against the excesses by 
security personnel. But soon the situation turned ugly for Ulfa with 
the arrival of a group of people from nearby tea gardens.
Initially, it was a series of heated arguments between Ulfa 
sympathisers and the group of tea garden workers who had become 
unnerved when the supplies of essential commodities was stopped 
following the blockade and finally clashed with them. Eight people 
were killed and 25 injured. When the situation worsened, the 
administration sought help from Tinsukia.
The fake encounter drew public attention when a man from Laopati 
village in Tinsukia district fell victim to the circumstances. 
Twenty-four-year-old Buddheswar Moran, a watchman in a local tea 
plantation, was killed by security personnel at midnight of 5 May. 
These personnel of the Jammu and Kashmir Rifles initially claimed 
Buddheswar was associated with the Ulfa, but locals denied this and 
later the Army admitted that Buddheswar had no link with the 
underground group. It even apologised for the unfortunate incident 
and ordered a probe. The killing of Budheswar Moran was 
unfortunate, said Major-General NC Marwah, GoC, Second Mountain 
Division.
The public resentment even compelled the state governmenti to ask 
the security forces not to commit excesses and ensure basic human 
rights of civilians during counter-insurgency operations. Dispur 
also ordered an independent probe.
Meanwhile, a large crowd assembled at Dhola on NH 37 to protest 
against Buddheswar's killing. Shouting anti-Army slogans, the 
villagers started an indefinite blockade of the highway on 7 May. 
Some in Kakopathar and Doom Dooma also protested. The Ulfa lost no 
time in lending its support. The mounting anti-Army agitation 
justifies our stand that the Army has unleashed a reign of terror in 
Asom, claimed Ulfa chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa.
However, the situation became murkier after a group of tea workers 
appeared. They asked the agitators to lift the blockade so that 
trucks could bring in essential supplies. The two groups clashed on 
13 May at Tiphuk. The Assam Tea Tribe Students' Association 
supported the community, saying they were not against the agitation 
to condemn the Army excesses but to oppose the demonstration. 
Putting up a blockade on a primary road for more than a week is 
enough for the tea labourer families to get annoyed, said ATTSA 
president Prahlad Goala and secretary Padmalochan Das in a press 
statement.
As the Ulfa leaders failed to gain anything from this, they started 
targeting migrant labourers in the locality. In two days (15-16 
May), its cadres killed nine Hindi- speaking workers in upper Assam.


(The author is a Guwahati-based journalist)


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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city - Sentinel

[Chan Mahanta]

Is this NEW Ram?

Or the opposite demonstrations . like against the army and the GoI?


But WHAT  results have they brought?















At 6:25 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
 *** This has become the broken record slogan of those who have run 
out of ideas and unaffected by what goes on,


C'da

The mass protests all over Guwahati (not just by a few 
organizations), the lynching of the Ulfa Cadre, and even the 
protest/clash by tea garden workers (see my other post from the 
Statesman).. are all these made-up?


Or are you saying, these things don't matter and who cares?

--Ram

On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ram:


 But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be 
changing and not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against 
the ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the 
military)





*** This has become the broken record slogan of those who have run 
out of ideas and unaffected by what goes on, the mantra to chant to 
pass for something being done to end the conflict.



I have heard this over and over again, about every six months or so, 
except the words re-organized in slightly different ways.







c-da






















At 10:04 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:


C'da




 Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP vs Congress battle.



I think I could well agree with you. I mean, any  political group 
will now take advantage (if it can) out of the situation - (othi 
bhokti), Isn;t that how band wagons are garnered in the first 
place?




But, what I wanted to point out is that the tide seems to be 
changing and not just in towns, but also the rural areas - against 
the ULFA's violence and generally against violence (say against the 
military)


There is a limit, even for ordinary folks, as to how much a group 
like the ulfa can frighten them into submission and just plain 
acquiescence and for how long. They kind a tolerated and even went 
along for a while - till they plainly saw where they are being led 
into - nowhere and into oblivion.




--Ram



On 5/30/07, Chan Mahanta 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose 
President's Rule in the State for the State Government's failure to 
tackle the activities of the ISI and other Islamic fundamentalists 
in the State.











Heh-heh! This looks like a BJP  vs Congress battle. ULFA just 
happens to be a convenient catalyst.



































At 6:30 PM -0600 5/30/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Where is all that much touted support? Not in the villages, nor in 
the cities?







Anti-ULFA slogans resonate in city
'Paresh Baruahar dalali nasaliba'
By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, May 30: Anti-ULFA slogans resonated in the air in the city 
today when hundreds of people responded to the call of a number of 
senior journalists and writers, and took to the streets with a 
protest march followed by a rally. The Bharatiya Janata Yuba Morcha 
(BJYM), on the other hand, took out a separate procession and staged 
a dharna near the Dighalipukhuri in the city demanding immediate 
imposition of President's Rule in the State for the failure of the 
State Government to tackle the activities of the ISI and other 
Islamic fundamentalists in the State.
Responding to the call of as many as 14 senior journalists and 
writers like Dhirendranath Chakravarty, Ranen Kumar Goswami, Rupam 
Baruah, Nirupama Borgohain and others, over 100 activists of various 
organizations like the Athgaon Binapani Samiti, Brihattar Athgaon 
Rajohuwa Samiti, the Assam Public Works (APW) etc took to the 
streets from the Guwahati Press Club (GPC) to the office of the 
Deputy Commissioner and returned to the GPC where they held a rally. 
Slogans like aah oi aah, ulai aah; khed oi khed; ULFA khed (come and 
drive the ULFA away), ISI hoshiyar (ISI, be careful), PCGik eghoria 
kar (outcast the PCG from the society), Paresh Baruahar dalali 
nasaliba (broker Paresh Baruah's policy won't be allowed), Dhakar 
adesh aami naamaanu (we won't obey Dhaka's diktat) etc rocked the 
thoroughfares of the city from the GPC to the DC office and back 
when the processionists began to shout slogans against the killing 
in the city and the State by the ULFA.
Speaking at the rally later, Ranen Kumar Goswami said: We don't 
want an independent Asom as demanded by the ULFA, and we will never 
accept the diktat of Dhaka or Islamabad. The ULFA should stop 
killing in the State or else the people of the State won't remain 
mute spectators.


Meanwhile, there was a hot altercation between BJYM president Dilip 
Saikia and district Magistrate CK Bhuyan on the permission for the 
procession taken by the BJYM against the State Government's failure 
to bring the law-and-order situation under its control.


The BJYM leader said that the Centre should immediately impose 
President's Rule in the State for the State 

Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from the trader community in Assam

[Ram Sarangapani]

I would not settle for anything less than a right to re-orient Assam's
governance and have full controls over its natural resources.

And what would that be in one or two words? :)

On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It is NOT for ME to dictate that. Remember I left? It is for ULFA and the
GoI to negotiate and settle on.


I will accept anything the two can settle on, and bring peace back, even
though if *I* were to be a negotiator for ULFA, I would not settle for
anything less than a right to re-orient Assam's governance and have full
controls over its natural resources.






























At 5:05 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

May we hear again what comprises the political soln. as envisaged by you.



Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jyotirmoy Sharma 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:58:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands
from the trader community in Assam

What* I propose* is to bring the conflict to an end, through negotiations
and a political solution. Even Indian military brass, time and again, have
declared that the conflict could be ended only with a political solution.
And even the most reactionary of newspapers have declared, time and again,
that the conflict will not end, unless the root causes are addressed and
solutions found.


MY question for Jyoti is: WHAT is YOUR solution? What do YOU propose?


Of course we have seen Jyoti's earlier proposals. Now if I asked him to
grade those proposals, like a teacher might do to a student's home-work, how
would Jyoti grade his own work?


Some suggested grades:


A -- for brilliant, imaginative

B -- for having a decent chance at success

C -- for Childish

D -- for DUMB




cm





















At 5:24 PM -0500 5/30/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

I agree and do the same - call around to find out if everyone is ok.









In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and
humble like a blade of grass

-* Lakshmana*





 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:26:57 +0800
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: assam@assamnet.org
 Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA
demands from the trader community in Assam is a positive development. Every
one should look at the ULFA stand as the core issue. NOT to treat i

  ... instead of shedding crocodile tears like so many of our
 highly intelligent friends here, who are never affected by what is
 happening?
 Everyone who has someone in Assam is affected. Everytime a bomb
 blast happens I have to check the papers and call home to see that
 everyone is OK.
 Is this the Freedom that you are proposing ?

 JS

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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[Chan Mahanta]

Try a little MORE imagination!

Did *I* have to KNOW ANYTHING about   Meenas, Gujjars to imagine 
that BEFORE the riots broke out there might have been disaffections 
brewing? That storm clouds might have been gathering? But was ignored 
by the state, with its conflict resolution mechanisms non-existent or 
totally dysfunctional, resulting in the riots, like it has always 
been doing ?


Hard to imagine ?

Not really. All it takes is the will.



BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.


*** How many military firings on civilian protests have you seen in 
the USA? Conflicts are present in the USA too. But there ARE 
functioning institutes of state to work them out.  That is why people 
don't need to go burn buses routinely or declare 'bondhos'.


I understand why you cannot IMAGINE such things. I couldn't have 
either, had I not left. Your ignorance is a product of Indian 
education or the dysfunction there of.










At 6:35 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

Think deeper - he he!

How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in 
Rajasthan? - before you read the BBC report?


And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?

BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.

Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chandan Mahanta 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:

You need to to think a little DEEPER!

WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people 
wake up one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let 
us go burn some buses today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?


Think about it and come back with your questions again.

sd











At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:


Hello Sondon Da,



As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law  
order and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. 
Army is called in only when situation gets out of control. Same 
approach is applied everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In 
this case, Rajasthan police had no experience handling anything of 
this kind in the last many decades.




May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence 
as a form of protest and then try justifying it - in the 
worlds greatest demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of 
Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, possibly kill and 
maim others and try to undermine state authority?




Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, 
which has not changed in sixty years after freedom.


** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are 
killed in clashes over government job quotas.
 
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[Assam] Gujarat is Gujar land?? ; Haryana in Jat Land

[umesh sharma]

So when Jats who rule Haryana can get reservation in Rajasthan then why not 
rulers of Gujarat (Gujaars)?

Umesh

Mulraj Solanki's reign marked the start of a period during which Gujarati 
culture flowered as manifested in art, architecture, language and script. It is 
described as the golden period of Gujarat's chequered history. Mulraj himself 
adopted the title of Gurjaresh (King of Gurjardesh) an aristocratic title. The 
territory under the sway of the Solankis came to be known by different 
variations of the word Gurjar like Gurjardesh, Gurjara-Rastra and finally 
Gujarat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat

at people were designated in a British report as a 'Martial Race'.[6] 'Martial 
Race' was a designation created by officials of British India to describe 
races (peoples) that were thought to possess qualities such as courage, 
loyalty, self sufficiency, physical strength, resilience, orderliness, hard 
working, fighting tenacity and military tactics. The British recruited heavily 
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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[Ram Sarangapani]

Just to butt in here a bit.

In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I
am sure).

Elian Gonzalez
Ruby Ridge
David Koresh

In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got
killed


On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say
like if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina?
Maybe we should learn and implement similar policies here.

Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political
settlement?

Rgds,
Sandip


 - Original Message 
From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED];
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison
to the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them -
but they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana)
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan

Umesh

*SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Think deeper - he he!

How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? -
before you read the BBC report?

And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?

BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED];
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:


You need to to think a little DEEPER!


WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up
one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some
buses today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?


Think about it and come back with your questions again.


sd






















At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

Hello Sondon Da,



As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law  order
and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in
only when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied
everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police
had no experience handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.



May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a
form of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest
demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who
damage govt. property, possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine
state authority?



Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which
has not changed in sixty years after freedom.

** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are killed
in clashes over government job quotas.
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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[Chan Mahanta]

 In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to 
expand on, I am sure).



*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.



Elian Gonzalez


** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if 
I am not mistaken.




Ruby Ridge


*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


David Koresh


*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a 
court order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the 
inmates of the commune committed mass suicide.



None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , 
ignored by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into 
rioting terminated by military /police firing against their OWN 
PEOPLE.






At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Just to butt in here a bit.

In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to 
expand on, I am sure).


Elian Gonzalez
Ruby Ridge
David Koresh

In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - 
people got killed



On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A 
- say like if some African Americans were to protest again over 
Hurricane Katrina? Maybe we should learn and implement similar 
policies here.


Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's 
political settlement?


Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan 
Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
mailto:assam@assamnet.orgassam@assamnet.org

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in 
comparison to the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody 
oppresses them - but they are maig this demand after upper caste 
have got 10% reservation in Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant 
warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) has been included in OBC 
category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan


Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Think deeper - he he!

How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in 
Rajasthan? - before you read the BBC report?


And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?

BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
Chandan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailto:assam@assamnet.orgassam@assamnet.org

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:


You need to to think a little DEEPER!


WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people 
wake up one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let 
us go burn some buses today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?



Think about it and come back with your questions again.


sd






















At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:


Hello Sondon Da,




As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law  
order and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army 
is called in only when situation gets out of control. Same approach 
is applied everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In this case, 
Rajasthan police had no experience handling anything of this kind in 
the last many decades.




May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence 
as a form of protest and then try justifying it - in the 
worlds greatest demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of Amrika? 
I mean people who damage govt. property, possibly kill and maim 
others and try to undermine state authority?




Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: mailto:assam@assamnet.orgassam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, 
which has not changed in sixty years after freedom.


** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are 
killed in clashes over government job quotas.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm 



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Re: [Assam] Fwd: F1 visa interview tips

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she got the visa today.
   
  Umesh

umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wrote it for a female (woman  - as in American style - they don't like 
the word female so much ??) student in India who might be the first woman to go 
abroad for higher studies - from Jaipur School. 

  Some might find it useful.
   
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  Dear A,
   
  Best wishes for your visa interview. Try ro avoid talking about OPT - which 
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bankstatements, chartered accountant's certifications of family wealth - and 
also job ads from Indian newspapers showing high salaries you can expect on 
your return to India.
   
  Mail me in need more info.
   
  Try to avoid mentioning if you have tons of relatives in USA.
   
  Best of luck.
   
  Your teacher.
   
  Umesh


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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[Ram Sarangapani]

Oh! I forgot, C'da

LA riots (after the OJ Simpson thing), NY Black  out . maybe I am forgetting
a few.

But you are right, the US has far fewer of such riots than India or most of
the up  coming economies do.  And that can be attributed, in general, to
the limited resources, and too many people these countries have.

If some of the countries have democracies, there are demonstrations,
protests etc - which often go haywire. If they are NOT democratic then they
can be quelled swiftly.

The right to bandhs, hartals, strikes are possible in India because its a
democracy and they happen because there is NOT enough to go around. It does
not happen in the US because most of the most common things have already
been met.

--Ram


On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand
on, I am sure).




*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.




Elian Gonzalez


** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am
not mistaken.




Ruby Ridge


*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


David Koresh


*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of
the commune committed mass suicide.




None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections ,
ignored by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting
terminated by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.










At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Just to butt in here a bit.



In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on,
I am sure).



Elian Gonzalez

Ruby Ridge

David Koresh



In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got
killed



On 5/31/07,* SANDIP DUTTA* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say
like if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina?
Maybe we should learn and implement similar policies here.



Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political
settlement?



Rgds,

Sandip



- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta  [EMAIL PROTECTED];
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison
to the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them -
but they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana)
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan

Umesh

*SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]** wrote:

Think deeper - he he!



How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? -
before you read the BBC report?



And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?



BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.



Rgds,

Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED];
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:




You need to to think a little DEEPER!




WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up
one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some
buses today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?




Think about it and come back with your questions again.




sd


































At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

Hello Sondon Da,



As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law  order
and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in
only when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied
everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police
had no experience handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.



May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a
form of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest
demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who
damage govt. property, possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine
state authority?




Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which
has not changed in sixty years after freedom.

** Army deployed after India 

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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black community was 
subjected to continual harrasment and their social griveiances never redressed. 
The black-white within the larger issue of racism continues to linger on.

Now are we comparing apples with apples??

Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200 year old 
problem. 

Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 12:54:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I 
am sure).



*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.




Elian Gonzalez


** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am not 
mistaken.




Ruby Ridge


*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


David Koresh


*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court 
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of the 
commune committed mass suicide.




None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , ignored 
by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting terminated 
by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.










At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Just to butt in here a bit.
 
In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I am 
sure).
 
Elian Gonzalez
Ruby Ridge
David Koresh
 
In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got killed

 
On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say like 
if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina? Maybe 
we should learn and implement similar policies here.
 
Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political 
settlement?
 
Rgds,
Sandip

 
- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison to 
the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them - but 
they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in 
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) 
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan

Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Think deeper - he he!
 
How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? - 
before you read the BBC report?
 
And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?
 
BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
 
Rgds,
Sandip

 
- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chandan Mahanta  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:

 
You need to to think a little DEEPER!

 
WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up one 
fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some buses 
today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?

 
Think about it and come back with your questions again.

 
sd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

Hello Sondon Da,

 

As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law  order and 
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only 
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local 
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience 
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.

 

May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form 
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your 
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, 
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?


 

Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which has 
not changed in sixty years after freedom.

** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are killed in 
clashes over government