Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
I will say his heart was in the right place. We won't discuss the position of his head. grin (Just kidding, Bob). John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:27 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com http://www.colesoft.com/736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.comhttp://www.colesoft.com/ (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax
Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
I didn't think it was on behalf of Colesoft, so from my perspective you were already in the clear. I agree with Elardus -- Bob's heart was in the right place, but it didn't come out right. On 2012-03-21 14:27, David Cole wrote: Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté]
Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
On 3/22/2012 7:54 AM, Ray Mullins wrote: I didn't think it was on behalf of Colesoft, so from my perspective you were already in the clear. I agree with Elardus -- Bob's heart was in the right place, but it didn't come out right. Yup. I imagine he thought he was doing the community a favor by announcing a job possibility and I'm sure he was caught totally by surprise by the response. I'd cut him slack: I think many of us learned a lesson or two here. On 2012-03-21 14:27, David Cole wrote: Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté] -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html
Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
One wonders why Bob's friend didn't just post his requirements for himself. It's costs nothing to subscribe to this list. Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:54:55 -0700 From: m...@lerctr.org Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU I didn't think it was on behalf of Colesoft, so from my perspective you were already in the clear. I agree with Elardus -- Bob's heart was in the right place, but it didn't come out right. On 2012-03-21 14:27, David Cole wrote: Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté]
Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
Oh I think I know the answer to that one! :-) -Original Message- From: J R jayare...@hotmail.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:07:43 To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification One wonders why Bob's friend didn't just post his requirements for himself. It's costs nothing to subscribe to this list. Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:54:55 -0700 From: m...@lerctr.org Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU I didn't think it was on behalf of Colesoft, so from my perspective you were already in the clear. I agree with Elardus -- Bob's heart was in the right place, but it didn't come out right. On 2012-03-21 14:27, David Cole wrote: Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté]
Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification
There is the old story of the three Viennese psychoanalysts, A, B, and C. Walking together, A and B encounter C, who says, Good morning, to them. A few moments later, with C by then out of hearing, B says to A, I wonder what he meant by that. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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JR, Sounds like this dude was a headhunter.. Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:07 AM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote: One wonders why Bob's friend didn't just post his requirements for himself. It's costs nothing to subscribe to this list. Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:54:55 -0700 From: m...@lerctr.org Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted - Clarification To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU I didn't think it was on behalf of Colesoft, so from my perspective you were already in the clear. I agree with Elardus -- Bob's heart was in the right place, but it didn't come out right. On 2012-03-21 14:27, David Cole wrote: Hi All, I just now came upon this thread, and I feel that I need to make a few of things clear: First, Bob is not making this appeal on behalf of ColeSoft. Second, Bob did not consult with me before making this posting. Third, if Bob had consulted with me, I would have told him not to do it. And fourth, I do not know for whom he is making this appeal. Frankly. I am embarrassed by Bob's posting, and I hope he doesn't do it again. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 At 3/19/2012 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu wrote: Folks: This is a community service announcement. While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. If you know of anyone who seeks such a position, please have them respond to me directly and send me their resume. I'll see that introductions are made and will bow out after that. Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté]
Re: Assembler programmers wanted
IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU wrote on 03/19/2012 04:51:26 PM: From: esst...@juno.com esst...@juno.com I think what Your Friend should do, is to hire about 3-4 Well Experienced Mainframe Assembler Programmers, and have them mentor the Younger Pups. agreed - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you
Re: Assembler programmers wanted
Since z/OS and its predecessors have been object code only for decades, how is anyone young supposed to be familiar with internal architectures? :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- :: l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Shimizu :: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:10 AM :: To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU :: Subject: Assembler programmers wanted :: :: Folks: :: :: This is a community service announcement. :: :: While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software :: development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers :: with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be :: told, he wants them to be as young as possible.
Re: Assembler programmers wanted
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw quick...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizu bshim...@colesoft.com wrote: snip... And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. snip Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc Age discrimination Bob, pure and simple... ;-) He is going to get what he pays for. Look at the response from the 18 YO kid. He might get a lot of fingers on keyboards but is he going to create a product that actually works? -- Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
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Young as possible is nothing really new. I remember the jokes when I was just out of college, MVS was recently announced. It was joked that companies were looking for 20 year olds with an MBA and 15 years of MVS internals experience for entry level positions. As always, management wants the cheapest labor it can find. They yearn for the good old days of the Greek and Roman Empires and slaves. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of J R Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:31 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted Part of your problem is that the truth be told aside comes across as *your* editorial, in which case you wouldn't be just the messenger. In any case, for the record, I am as young as possible! (For my age.) .. Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:14:13 -0700 From: bshim...@colesoft.com Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Folks: You're shooting the messenger. I, for one, am not mystified that anyone would want to hire someone who is good at z/OS internals and isn't 70 years old. If that's age discrimination, there you are. I'm only the messenger, and if someone wants the position and has enough chutzpah to go after it regardless of his or her age, then good for them. Sincerely, Bob On 3/19/12 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizubshim...@colesoft.comwrote: snip... And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. snip Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc Age discrimination Bob, pure and simple... ;-) -- Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax
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I think what Your Friend should do, is to hire about 3-4 Well Experienced Mainframe Assembler Programmers, and have them mentor the Younger Pups. Yes I beliver it is Age descrimination. Paul D'Angelo -- Original Message -- From: Robert Shimizu bshim...@colesoft.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmers wanted Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:14:13 -0700 Folks: You're shooting the messenger. I, for one, am not mystified that anyone would want to hire someone who is good at z/OS internals and isn't 70 years old. If that's age discrimination, there you are. I'm only the messenger, and if someone wants the position and has enough chutzpah to go after it regardless of his or her age, then good for them. Sincerely, Bob On 3/19/12 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Robert Shimizubshim...@colesoft.comwrote: snip... And, truth be told, he wants them to be as young as possible. snip Sincerely, Bob -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc Age discrimination Bob, pure and simple... ;-) -- Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. -- Robert W. Shimizu Partner ColeSoft Marketing, Inc bshim...@colesoft.com www.colesoft.com (800) 932-5150 (928) 771-2005 Fax
Re: Assembler programmers wanted
On 3/19/2012 1:33 PM, Hobart Spitz wrote: I too found the posting a bit odd. Could you clarify the mystery? On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, retired mainframer retired-mainfra...@q.com wrote: Since z/OS and its predecessors have been object code only for decades, how is anyone young supposed to be familiar with internal architectures? Did you look at the source code for VTAM for example when you were working? The architecture is how the bits fit together, not a detailed knowledge of how the bits work individually. Its exposed by means of MACROS, Control Blocks and Data Areas. You need to know how the control blocks relate and interact and how zOS uses them However as you say its unlikely that some one who is young and inexperienced is able to fill the bill. IBM is doing things to speed them on their way. They publish a 13 volume collection of RED Books http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246981.html?Open which is designed to get zOS systems programmers going, in addition there are still 5 volumes on the data areas for which oddly have MVS and zOS in the title:- z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 1 (ABEP-DALT) IEA2D160 07/14/05 16:05:23 GA22-7581-09 z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 2 (DCCD-ITZYRETC) IEA2D261 01/18/06 12:08:21 GA22-7582-10 z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 3 (IVT-RCWK) IEA2D360 07/14/05 17:35:52 GA22-7583-08 z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 4 (RD-SRRA) IEA2D460 07/14/05 17:34:43 GA22-7584-08 z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 5 (SSAG-XTLST) IEA2D560 07/15/05 10:49:38 GA22-7585-08 I guess some one who has read and understood all that would have a pretty good understanding of the internal architecture ... but the probably by then they would no longer be young... Dave P.S. A google on zos architecture course has lots of hits as well PPS On a similar vein any one care to bet when the first job for some one with 12 months experience of Windows/8 will appear... :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- :: l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Shimizu :: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:10 AM :: To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU :: Subject: Assembler programmers wanted :: :: Folks: :: :: This is a community service announcement. :: :: While at SHARE, I spoke with a friend of mine who runs a software :: development house. He is looking for a couple of Assembler programmers :: with strong understanding of z/OS internal architectures. And, truth be :: told, he wants them to be as young as possible. -- OREXXMan My guess this is code for he wants them as cheap as possible. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html
