subject:"RE\: \[Asterisk\-Users\] CDR Web Search Frontend"

> Or do something really smart like the Perl guys and have a 
> backend-mostly-independent DB infrastructure.  Hell I think that PHP 
> finally smartened up and went this way, too.
>

Hi Guys

I am happy to do this and send the code back. Database independence
isn't to hard to achieve. It would be nice if a group of us could get
together and discuss how we can make this great app even better and
possibly look at getting a small team together to merge this and
phpconfig into a single application. Will possible access to cvs for the
developers.

Thoughts?

Mark Evans
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Hi Guys

I am happy to do this and send the code back. Database independence
isn't to hard to achieve. It would be nice if a group of us could get
together and discuss how we can make this great app even better and
possibly look at getting a small team together to merge this and
phpconfig into a single application. Will possible access to cvs for the
developers.
Thoughts?

 

Mark,

The Digium CVS is pretty much a closed book but there is nothing 
stopping the creation of a repository on Sourceforge to develop the 
interface further..

Good idea to tie the CDR and PHPconfig utils together.. :)

Later..

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>> The Digium CVS is pretty much a closed book but
>> there is nothing stopping the creation of a repository
>> on Sourceforge to develop the interface further..

I was thinking of using

http://developer.berlios.de/

As SF has had many problems recently :(

Regards

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I was thinking of using

http://developer.berlios.de/

As SF has had many problems recently :(

Regards

Mark

 

Yea, I have noticed Sourceforge has been a little flaky lately.. Thought 
they would have been on top of it quicker..

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Don't spose I get any say in this??
:)

J


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> >As SF has had many problems recently :(
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
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Don't spose I get any say in this??
:)
J

 

Sure you do, If you have a CVS server and want the development to run on 
it then thats also cool.. :)

Thats the beauty of community development.. Everyone has a say..

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>> Don't spose I get any say in this?? :)

No ;)

Just kidding :)

What are your thoughts?

Regards

Mark


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> Jamie Carl wrote:
>
> >*This message was transferred with a trial version of
> CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
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> >
> >Don't spose I get any say in this??
> >:)
> >
> >J
> >
> >
> >
> Sure you do, If you have a CVS server and want the
> development to run on
> it then thats also cool.. :)
>
> Thats the beauty of community development.. Everyone has a say..
>
> Later..

Even the guy that wrote the damn thing?  Kewl..  I love this open source
community stuff.
:)
hehe

My thought are, go with sourceforge.  Mainly cause I already have an
account set up on it, plus it's always the first place I look for stuff,
so I'm sure it's the first place others look for stuff too.

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Jamie Carl wrote:

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Jamie Carl wrote:

   

*This message was transferred with a trial version of 
 

CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
   

Don't spose I get any say in this??
:)
J



 

Sure you do, If you have a CVS server and want the 
development to run on 
it then thats also cool.. :)

Thats the beauty of community development.. Everyone has a say..

Later..
   

Even the guy that wrote the damn thing?  Kewl..  I love this open source
community stuff. 
:)
hehe

My thought are, go with sourceforge.  Mainly cause I already have an
account set up on it, plus it's always the first place I look for stuff,
so I'm sure it's the first place others look for stuff too.
J
 

Good Point, I would have to agree, I always hit SF when I am looking for 
things..

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2003-09-29 Thread PJ Welsh

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:09:06AM +0100, WipeOut wrote:
> 
> >I was thinking of using
> >
> >http://developer.berlios.de/
> >
> >As SF has had many problems recently :(
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >  
> >
> Yea, I have noticed Sourceforge has been a little flaky lately.. Thought 
> they would have been on top of it quicker..

http://developer.berlios.de/

seems to be down for me in the US at this time:

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2003-09-29 Thread listas iPfone

Oi Adriane!

Minha mãe foi internada hoje de madrugada no 9 de julho por causa de um
problema de estomago..

Já viu que não vou conseguir ir hoje tb.

Já estou de pé desde ontem a noite.

arrumei um micro aqui no hospital para te escrever. esqueci meu celular em
casa.

Amanhã ainda dá tempo né? eu não vou deixar a sua chefinha quebrar o seu
pescocinho tá?

um beijo

claudio

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> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:09:06AM +0100, WipeOut wrote:
> >
> > >I was thinking of using
> > >
> > >http://developer.berlios.de/
> > >
> > >As SF has had many problems recently :(
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Yea, I have noticed Sourceforge has been a little flaky lately.. Thought
> > they would have been on top of it quicker..
>
> http://developer.berlios.de/
>
> seems to be down for me in the US at this time:
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-29 Thread Troy Settle


After reading this thread, I wonder if we couldn't create an abstract
RDBMS interface in the core, then in the addons repository, create
modules for MySQL, MSQL, MSSQL, Oracle, Sybase, PGSQL, or whatever.  The
abstraction layer would simply use whichever addon module it was
configured to use.  This would eliminate the licensing issues Digium may
have when granting a non-GPL license to a 3rd party, while allowing
creating a very flexible product.

Additional functionality could be added with some simple hooks in the
core.  For example, if you want your configurations to come directly
from a SQL database in real time, add hooks into the code to cause * to
read from the abstraction layer instead of it's internal database.  It
would be simple enough to do, and as a build-time and/or run-time
configuration option, I believe it can be done without causing issues to
the stability of the core.

Another example is CDR, which would do what it does now by writing a
csv, but could have a hook added to it to also send accounting data to a
SQL server or even a Radius accounting server or something else
entirely.

To do this right would probably force a major architectural change to *,
which I'm sure that Mark would be reluctant to do, but if someone could
build the framework, get some folks to test it (in small, medium, and
large deployments), I'll bet Mark will accept it.

Also, with the advent of the addons repository, has anyone asked Mark if
he would be willing to grant commit privileges to more people?  It
doesn't make much sense to create a new repository for this when Digium
already has the facilities available and a new repository for non-core
items.

BTW, I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man.

--
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Evans
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
> > Or do something really smart like the Perl guys and have a 
> > backend-mostly-independent DB infrastructure.  Hell I think 
> that PHP 
> > finally smartened up and went this way, too.
> >
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I am happy to do this and send the code back. Database independence
> isn't to hard to achieve. It would be nice if a group of us could get
> together and discuss how we can make this great app even better and
> possibly look at getting a small team together to merge this and
> phpconfig into a single application. Will possible access to 
> cvs for the
> developers.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Mark Evans
> SiteTel
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2003-09-29 Thread Dave Packham

I have commit access to the phpconfig cvs on digiums site...  Mark and team have been 
great to work with.  I would be happy to work on changes to the phpconfig to add cdr 
work or anything.   its just a framework that needs wizzards, reports etc to be 
finished

Dave 

p0lar




>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/29/2003 8:33:57 AM >>>

After reading this thread, I wonder if we couldn't create an abstract
RDBMS interface in the core, then in the addons repository, create
modules for MySQL, MSQL, MSSQL, Oracle, Sybase, PGSQL, or whatever.  The
abstraction layer would simply use whichever addon module it was
configured to use.  This would eliminate the licensing issues Digium may
have when granting a non-GPL license to a 3rd party, while allowing
creating a very flexible product.

Additional functionality could be added with some simple hooks in the
core.  For example, if you want your configurations to come directly
from a SQL database in real time, add hooks into the code to cause * to
read from the abstraction layer instead of it's internal database.  It
would be simple enough to do, and as a build-time and/or run-time
configuration option, I believe it can be done without causing issues to
the stability of the core.

Another example is CDR, which would do what it does now by writing a
csv, but could have a hook added to it to also send accounting data to a
SQL server or even a Radius accounting server or something else
entirely.

To do this right would probably force a major architectural change to *,
which I'm sure that Mark would be reluctant to do, but if someone could
build the framework, get some folks to test it (in small, medium, and
large deployments), I'll bet Mark will accept it.

Also, with the advent of the addons repository, has anyone asked Mark if
he would be willing to grant commit privileges to more people?  It
doesn't make much sense to create a new repository for this when Digium
already has the facilities available and a new repository for non-core
items.

BTW, I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man.

--
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  540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638
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> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> 
> 
> > Or do something really smart like the Perl guys and have a 
> > backend-mostly-independent DB infrastructure.  Hell I think 
> that PHP 
> > finally smartened up and went this way, too.
> >
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I am happy to do this and send the code back. Database independence
> isn't to hard to achieve. It would be nice if a group of us could get
> together and discuss how we can make this great app even better and
> possibly look at getting a small team together to merge this and
> phpconfig into a single application. Will possible access to 
> cvs for the
> developers.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Mark Evans
> SiteTel
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Hi All

I am happy to go with SF. Jamie do you want to apply for an account

What I was thinking for the DB layer is the following

We have a main class which contains a basic DB implementation. We then
create subclasses which extend the main class for each DB we want
supported.

This code would be released under the GPL getting rid of any licencing
issues that might arise.

Thoughts?

I am happy to get a basic DB abstraction layer ready for people to look
at if its agreed this is a goer.

>> BTW, I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man.

BTW I am a coder and rarely get any good ideas :)

Regards

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Mark Evans wrote:

Hi All

I am happy to go with SF. Jamie do you want to apply for an account

What I was thinking for the DB layer is the following

We have a main class which contains a basic DB implementation. We then
create subclasses which extend the main class for each DB we want
supported.
This code would be released under the GPL getting rid of any licencing
issues that might arise.
Thoughts?

I am happy to get a basic DB abstraction layer ready for people to look
at if its agreed this is a goer.
 

BTW, I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man.
 

BTW I am a coder and rarely get any good ideas :)

Regards

Mark
 

Maybe I am missing something here..

Why is DB abstraction needed??

As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log to MySQL or CSV text 
file..

Also does anyone know how this issue with Asterisk and MySQL is going to 
affect things like the MySQL CDR logging?

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2003-09-29 Thread Mark Spencer

> As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log to MySQL or CSV text
> file..
>
> Also does anyone know how this issue with Asterisk and MySQL is going to
> affect things like the MySQL CDR logging?

MySQL CDR logging is incompatible with OpenH323 basically.  You now have
an asterisk-addons where you can find cdr_mysql now.  Someone is sending
cdr_pgsql and I hope to have it merged by the end of the day for people
who are not too closely tied to MySQL.

Personally, I *love* MySQL, and I'm a bit surprised by their sudden change
from public domain (and maybe LGPL) to GPL for their client libraries...

Mark

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2003-09-29 Thread Andres

On Monday 29 September 2003 15:55, Mark Spencer wrote:
> > As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log to MySQL or CSV text
> > file..
> >
> > Also does anyone know how this issue with Asterisk and MySQL is going to
> > affect things like the MySQL CDR logging?
>
> MySQL CDR logging is incompatible with OpenH323 basically.  You now have
> an asterisk-addons where you can find cdr_mysql now.  Someone is sending
> cdr_pgsql and I hope to have it merged by the end of the day for people
> who are not too closely tied to MySQL.
>
So if we don't use OpenH323 are we OK with MySQL?  Do we just edit the 
Makefile to allow it to use MySQL then?

> Personally, I *love* MySQL, and I'm a bit surprised by their sudden change
> from public domain (and maybe LGPL) to GPL for their client libraries...
>
> Mark
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> Personally, I *love* MySQL, and I'm a bit surprised by their sudden change
> from public domain (and maybe LGPL) to GPL for their client libraries...

Who can we bug at mysql to see if we can get that changed?

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>> As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log
>> to MySQL or CSV text file..

It doesn't matter, we could write an automatic import routine which can
import that CVS into anything :)

Regards

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2003-09-29 Thread Matthew Hardeman

I doubt if you'll be able to.  They made a strategic decision to GPL
rather than LGPL their client access libraries, as they wanted to up
their proprietary license revenue.  Essentially, they're trying to
enhance the benefits of paying for a commercial license fee, by making
it difficult to use MySQL in non-GPL products without said license.

Matt Hardeman
PaperSoft

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> Personally, I *love* MySQL, and I'm a bit surprised by their sudden
change
> from public domain (and maybe LGPL) to GPL for their client
libraries...

Who can we bug at mysql to see if we can get that changed?

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Mark Evans wrote:

As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log
to MySQL or CSV text file..
 

It doesn't matter, we could write an automatic import routine which can
import that CVS into anything :)
Regards

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Thats an idea I hadn't thought of.. :)

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ie a perl script. :)

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Mark Evans wrote:

> >> As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log
> >> to MySQL or CSV text file..
>
> It doesn't matter, we could write an automatic import routine which can
> import that CVS into anything :)
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
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Brian West wrote:

ie a perl script. :)

 

Or a PHP script..

PHP from the console works great and the DB connection stuff is usually 
there.. :)

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2003-09-29 Thread Andres

On Monday 29 September 2003 17:02, Brian West wrote:
> ie a perl script. :)
>
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Mark Evans wrote:
> > >> As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log
> > >> to MySQL or CSV text file..
Unfortunately the CSV Logger is not that reliable.  I have found times when it 
has stopped logging completely, but the MySQL CDR Logger continued to 
function just fine.

> >
> > It doesn't matter, we could write an automatic import routine which can
> > import that CVS into anything :)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mark
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Andres wrote:

On Monday 29 September 2003 17:02, Brian West wrote:
 

ie a perl script. :)

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Mark Evans wrote:
   

As far as I am aware the CDR logging can only log
to MySQL or CSV text file..
 

Unfortunately the CSV Logger is not that reliable.  I have found times when it 
has stopped logging completely, but the MySQL CDR Logger continued to 
function just fine.

 

I have found the CDR in general to be a problem, We use a system that 
allows a user to simply click a phone number in a web page and then PHP 
drops a call file into the /outgoing directory.. These calls are not 
logged at all.. not in the text file or the MySQL..

Maybe one day this will work.. :)

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> I have found the CDR in general to be a problem, We use a system that
> allows a user to simply click a phone number in a web page and then PHP
> drops a call file into the /outgoing directory.. These calls are not
> logged at all.. not in the text file or the MySQL..

Can I make calls thru your system please?  Sounds like a major issue that
needs to be fixed ASAP mmmkay!
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Brian West wrote:

I have found the CDR in general to be a problem, We use a system that
allows a user to simply click a phone number in a web page and then PHP
drops a call file into the /outgoing directory.. These calls are not
logged at all.. not in the text file or the MySQL..
   

Can I make calls thru your system please?  Sounds like a major issue that
needs to be fixed ASAP mmmkay!
 

Sorry Dude, The app is only available internally and the SIP phone that 
Asterisk routes the call to is hardcoded to the user account.. :)

But yes it is annoying that its not logged becasue its messing up out 
sales people's call stats.. So we can't give them the "evil eye" when 
the call rates are low bacasue we have no idea how many calls thay are 
actually making..

Just as well we are not trying to do any billing!! Man would we be 
loosing money..

Later..

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Guys!  I'm putting the source up on SourceForge on my 
existing account.  Questions is this tho:

What should we call it?

Is AstCDR good/fancy enough?  

Suggestions please!  I would like to get this on SF by the 
end of the day. (it's 9:33am here).

Someone I know once said:
 "I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man."
Well, I'm not a marketing man, just a coder.

:)

J

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I have found the CDR in general to be a problem, We use a 
system that
allows a user to simply click a phone number in a web 
page and then PHP
drops a call file into the /outgoing directory.. These 
calls are not
logged at all.. not in the text file or the MySQL..
  

Can I make calls thru your system please?  Sounds like a 
major issue that
needs to be fixed ASAP mmmkay!


Sorry Dude, The app is only available internally and the 
SIP phone that Asterisk routes the call to is hardcoded 
to the user account.. :)

But yes it is annoying that its not logged becasue its 
messing up out sales people's call stats.. So we can't 
give them the "evil eye" when the call rates are low 
bacasue we have no idea how many calls thay are actually 
making..

Just as well we are not trying to do any billing!! Man 
would we be loosing money..

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

>> Is AstCDR good/fancy enough? 

How about AstManager as I think this should do more than just the CDR
part and get involved in configuration/management 
Reporting and also user management.

Just my 2 cents though :D

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cdr_generic? :P

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Jamie Carl wrote:

>
>
> Guys!  I'm putting the source up on SourceForge on my
> existing account.  Questions is this tho:
>
> What should we call it?
>
> Is AstCDR good/fancy enough?
>
> Suggestions please!  I would like to get this on SF by the
> end of the day. (it's 9:33am here).
>
> Someone I know once said:
>   "I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man."
>
> Well, I'm not a marketing man, just a coder.
>
> :)
>
> J
>
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:06:35 +0100
>   WipeOut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Brian West wrote:
> >
> >>>I have found the CDR in general to be a problem, We use a
> >>>system that
> >>>allows a user to simply click a phone number in a web
> >>>page and then PHP
> >>>drops a call file into the /outgoing directory.. These
> >>>calls are not
> >>>logged at all.. not in the text file or the MySQL..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Can I make calls thru your system please?  Sounds like a
> >>major issue that
> >>needs to be fixed ASAP mmmkay!
> >>
> >>
> >Sorry Dude, The app is only available internally and the
> >SIP phone that Asterisk routes the call to is hardcoded
> >to the user account.. :)
> >
> >But yes it is annoying that its not logged becasue its
> >messing up out sales people's call stats.. So we can't
> >give them the "evil eye" when the call rates are low
> >bacasue we have no idea how many calls thay are actually
> >making..
> >
> >Just as well we are not trying to do any billing!! Man
> >would we be loosing money..
> >
> >Later..
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-29 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla

How about including VoiceMail viewer/retriever.
URiel

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> Or do something really smart like the Perl guys and have a 
> backend-mostly-independent DB infrastructure.  Hell I think that PHP 
> finally smartened up and went this way, too.
>

Hi Guys

I am happy to do this and send the code back. Database independence
isn't to hard to achieve. It would be nice if a group of us could get
together and discuss how we can make this great app even better and
possibly look at getting a small team together to merge this and
phpconfig into a single application. Will possible access to cvs for the
developers.

Thoughts?

Mark Evans
SiteTel

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How about including VoiceMail viewer/retriever.
URiel

I think we're getting away from the original purpose of 
this program.  Are people really that desparate for a 
full, web-based admin/user interface?

If so, tell me, and we'll make this an official project 
rather than just some code I slapped together in an hour. 
:)

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-29 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla

Why couldn't we just use PEAR?
it is there, it works and it does provide the abstraction layer for any of
the RDMBS systems discussed so far.
URiel

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Hi All

I am happy to go with SF. Jamie do you want to apply for an account

What I was thinking for the DB layer is the following

We have a main class which contains a basic DB implementation. We then
create subclasses which extend the main class for each DB we want
supported.

This code would be released under the GPL getting rid of any licencing
issues that might arise.

Thoughts?

I am happy to get a basic DB abstraction layer ready for people to look
at if its agreed this is a goer.

>> BTW, I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man.

BTW I am a coder and rarely get any good ideas :)

Regards

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-29 Thread Leif Madsen

Jamie Carl wrote:

I think we're getting away from the original purpose of this program.  
Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based admin/user 
interface?

If so, tell me, and we'll make this an official project rather than just 
some code I slapped together in an hour. :)
I think it's fair and safe to say they are...

Thanks,
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> I think we're getting away from the original purpose of this program.
> Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based admin/user 
> interface?

I sure am, I want to give as much control as I can for basic tasks
to my customer who may not even know what Linux is :)

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All registered with Sourceforge.  The new project will be 
called 'AstWeb' and will be available under the GNU 
General Public Licence.  The current release of AstCDR 
will be ported over in the next day or so along with the 
addition of a few features and labelled 'AstWeb v0.4'.

The project is currently pending approval with SF.net and 
once approved will be available for download from the 
SF.net website.

Thanx all,

J

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I think we're getting away from the original purpose of 
this program.  
Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based 
admin/user 
interface?

If so, tell me, and we'll make this an official project 
rather than just 
some code I slapped together in an hour. :)
I think it's fair and safe to say they are...

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

Mark Evans wrote:

I think we're getting away from the original purpose of this program.
Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based admin/user 
interface?
   

I sure am, I want to give as much control as I can for basic tasks
to my customer who may not even know what Linux is :)
Regards

Mark

 

So it sounds like we need to combine everyones thoughts into a feature 
list of some sort..

To me it sounds like we have talked about the following..

* PHP based
* Database Independent (Initially MySQL and PGSQL)
* CDR Viewing (real time view of last 20 (filterable by 
src/dst/accountcode etc..) CDR entries)
* CDR Reporting (per user/company/line, Somthing like the itemised 
billing from a telco, User Accessable)
* Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)
* User Self Service (Ability to change VM password, Maybe even SIP 
password, Advanded features in the future could be things like call 
forwarding setup or a facility where the user could sit down in front of 
any phone and "map" his extension to the phone on the desk in front of 
him like hot desks in an office)

Feel free to add you ideas..

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Jamie Carl wrote:

All registered with Sourceforge.  The new project will be called 
'AstWeb' and will be available under the GNU General Public Licence.  
The current release of AstCDR will be ported over in the next day or 
so along with the addition of a few features and labelled 'AstWeb v0.4'.

The project is currently pending approval with SF.net and once 
approved will be available for download from the SF.net website.

Thanx all,

J

Thats COOL!!!. :)

Is GPL the correct licence for it??

I am not so hot on all that licencing stuff and all I hear is that 
licence X is not compatible with licence Y and so this code needs to 
removed and yada-yada-yada blah-blah-blah..

Would it not be better to use LGPL (which I believe is less restrictive) 
or X11/MIT Licence which has very few limitations as I see it..

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2003-09-30 Thread Mark Evans

>> Is GPL the correct licence for it??

I think GPL is the right licence, as long as people keep the code open
and share you rarely get licencing issues. In my experience it's the
ones who want to take it and then keep the changes hidden that cause the
problems and IMHO these people are in it for the money and not for the
community spirit. :)

P.S No flames please its only my opinion ;)

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Paul Crick

> To me it sounds like we have talked about the following..
> * CDR Viewing (real time view of last 20 (filterable by
>   src/dst/accountcode etc..) CDR entries)
> * CDR Reporting (per user/company/line, Somthing like the
>   itemised billing from a telco, User Accessable)
Sounds good. Would you want to extend it any, using place names etc? So
calls to +1604xxx show up as "Canada" or "BC, Canada" (or even "Vancouver
BC, Canada") or am I just being a bit too ambitious (and annoying) there?
;-)

> * Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)
Can you elaborate on this a bit? Do you mean holding all the config
parameters in databases which are either accessed natively or used to
generate text config files (as many web hosting control panels do)? Or do
you just mean including the existing web config stuff in to the bigger grand
scheme, more or less as-is?

I like the ideas of user self service.. or user filtered access to the CDR
stuff?

Will there/should there be levels of user access and stuff to restrict
access to certain areas?

Big can of worms we're opening, but I'm up for some PHP coding, I have spare
cycles right now.. and with a snazzy front end, it's more value to
Asterisk..

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Bryan Nolen

Personally, from my experiences with integrating different open source
libraries, the BSD license make good sense (hey, if its good enough for
Postgresql, its fine for me :)

-Bryan

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> 
> 
> >> Is GPL the correct licence for it??
> 
> I think GPL is the right licence, as long as people keep the code open
> and share you rarely get licencing issues. In my experience it's the
> ones who want to take it and then keep the changes hidden 
> that cause the
> problems and IMHO these people are in it for the money and not for the
> community spirit. :)
> 
> P.S No flames please its only my opinion ;)
> 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Jamie Carl

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:43:34 +0100
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Thats COOL!!!. :)

Is GPL the correct licence for it??

I am not so hot on all that licencing stuff and all I 
hear is that licence X is not compatible with licence Y 
and so this code needs to removed and yada-yada-yada 
blah-blah-blah..

Would it not be better to use LGPL (which I believe is 
less restrictive) or X11/MIT Licence which has very few 
limitations as I see it..

Later..
GPL should be sufficient.  I went over it during my lunch 
break.  Seems like the users have more rights than the 
Authors. :)  Basically what it comes down to is that 
anyone can use/modify it in any way, as long as they 
release it GPL as well.  I found it to be quite lax on 
restrictions for use/distribution to be honest.

It also means that if it's modified, I can't be blamed for 
anything, which is all I'm worried about.  Given that it 
is a separate entity to Asterisk, it should not use LGPL 
as it is not a library.

J

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

Mark Evans wrote:

Is GPL the correct licence for it??
 

I think GPL is the right licence, as long as people keep the code open
and share you rarely get licencing issues. In my experience it's the
ones who want to take it and then keep the changes hidden that cause the
problems and IMHO these people are in it for the money and not for the
community spirit. :)
P.S No flames please its only my opinion ;)

Regards

Mark
 

I was just thinking in terms of the whole issue between Asterisk and 
MySQL right now.. They are both GPL but for some reason they are not 
compatilbe in terms of licencing (I am guessing this is becasue they 
bothe have options for commercial licences as well)..

I just didn't want to see the same happen again.. Thats all.. :)

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Jamie Carl

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:02:06 -0700
 "Paul Crick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  itemised billing from a telco, User Accessable)
Sounds good. Would you want to extend it any, using place 
names etc? So
calls to +1604xxx show up as "Canada" or "BC, Canada" (or 
even "Vancouver
BC, Canada") or am I just being a bit too ambitious (and 
annoying) there?
Yes ambitious, No, not annoying, and my comment is "oh my 
god, who's going to collate a list of Names/Area-codes?? 
Stuffed if I'm doing it. :)  

;-)

* Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)
Can you elaborate on this a bit? Do you mean holding all 
the config
parameters in databases which are either accessed 
natively or used to
generate text config files (as many web hosting control 
panels do)? Or do
you just mean including the existing web config stuff in 
to the bigger grand
scheme, more or less as-is?

Personally, I havn't thought of integrating PHPConfig into 
this.  I haven't really had a look at it either(i'm more 
of a CLI guy), so I don't know what parts of it would be 
useful for what we are trying to achieve.

I like the ideas of user self service.. or user filtered 
access to the CDR
stuff?

Will there/should there be levels of user access and 
stuff to restrict
access to certain areas?

Yes, user access restrictions are in mind.  Don't know how 
we're going to do this yet, perhaps rape the agents.conf, 
manager.conf or other pre-existing Asterisk conf file for 
this info.  Otherwise, storing our own, or using .htpasswd 
files mite be the go.

Big can of worms we're opening, but I'm up for some PHP 
coding, I have spare
cycles right now.. and with a snazzy front end, it's more 
value to
Asterisk..
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Paul Crick wrote:

To me it sounds like we have talked about the following..
* CDR Viewing (real time view of last 20 (filterable by
 src/dst/accountcode etc..) CDR entries)
* CDR Reporting (per user/company/line, Somthing like the
 itemised billing from a telco, User Accessable)
   

Sounds good. Would you want to extend it any, using place names etc? So
calls to +1604xxx show up as "Canada" or "BC, Canada" (or even "Vancouver
BC, Canada") or am I just being a bit too ambitious (and annoying) there?
;-)
 

The problem with this is that its a major problem mapping area codes of 
the various contries of the world.. (especially Canada where I have been 
told that landline and cell phone networks use the same codes.. ) I have 
mapped some countries for my dialplan but its not easy.. also US and 
Canada seem to overlap.. But it is a nice idea, maybe we can start with 
country codes and then narrow it down over time.. :)

 

* Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)
   

Can you elaborate on this a bit? Do you mean holding all the config
parameters in databases which are either accessed natively or used to
generate text config files (as many web hosting control panels do)? Or do
you just mean including the existing web config stuff in to the bigger grand
scheme, more or less as-is?
 

I meant using the PHPconfig stuff as is.. it edits the .conf files 
directly which to me seems the best idea at this point..

I like the ideas of user self service.. or user filtered access to the CDR
stuff?
Will there/should there be levels of user access and stuff to restrict
access to certain areas?
Definately!!, probably need Admin (full system access and account 
setup), Manager (control or oversee an subset of users either by 
department or company), and then User(Access to only their own stuff)..

Big can of worms we're opening, but I'm up for some PHP coding, I have spare
cycles right now.. and with a snazzy front end, it's more value to
Asterisk..
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2003-09-30 Thread Paul Crick

> The problem with this is that its a major problem mapping
> area codes of the various contries of the world.. (especially
> Canada where I have been told that landline and cell phone
> networks use the same codes.. )
Yup, it's true - I know so cos I'm in Canada :-) (and coming from the UK,
don't even get me started on the state of the North American phone system -
we see enough flame wars and off topic threads on here already!)

> I have mapped some countries for my dialplan but its not easy..
> also US and Canada seem to overlap.. But it is a nice idea,
> maybe we can start with country codes and then narrow it down
> over time.. :)
Yeah, the USA, Canada and a bunch of Caribbean places are covered by NANPA,
the North American Numbering Plan.

I think I'm only interested as far as area code, I'm not too fussed about
whether it's a mobile number or not, although I guess it's more of an issue
for dialling other destinations where calling a mobile is charged at a
premium. For example, call  a UK land line and you know it's +44 1xxx or +44
2xxx with all mobiles starting +44 7xxx. Calling UK mobiles from North
America typically costs more than calling a land line.. reciprocal
compensation etc kicks in.. Not so the other way round though - people back
home can call me on my landline or my mobile for the same "Calling North
America" rate across the board.

> I meant using the PHPconfig stuff as is.. it edits the
> .conf files directly which to me seems the best idea at
> this point..
Gotcha.. so stick with the text area editing a text .conf file thing then -
sounds cool.. then have a link off to the CDR bit etc?

Exciting ideas.. enthusiasm abounds.. now lets see what we can come up with
:-)

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Paul Crick wrote:

I meant using the PHPconfig stuff as is.. it edits the
.conf files directly which to me seems the best idea at
this point..
   

Gotcha.. so stick with the text area editing a text .conf file thing then -
sounds cool.. then have a link off to the CDR bit etc?
 

Or integrate it into one neat looking package..

Exciting ideas.. enthusiasm abounds.. now lets see what we can come up with
:-)
 

Yup I agree, could be quite a handy utility..

Unfortunately I am not really a coder so my only contribution would be 
helping with feature definition and usability testing..

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Rich Adamson

>I like the ideas of user self service.. or user filtered 
>access to the CDR stuff?
>
>Will there/should there be levels of user access and 
>stuff to restrict access to certain areas?

>From an architectural viewpoint, there will likely be three drivers
for some form of restricted access:
 a. regulatory/legal restrictions (in US, some call detail can only be
accessed/provided via court order depending upon the viewer's
relationship to those generating the calls)
 b. management restrictions (multiple companies homing on the same asterisk)
 c. workgroup policy (who within a workgroup can view call history for the
entire/part of the workgroup)

I'd also bet some money the recently passed US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLBA)
regarding confidential information will impact data access in many business
environments. The flip side to that is the Securities and Exchange
Commission requirments to monitor/record certain calls (including call
history).

With no access restrictions, someone will complain about:
 a. my boss is calling a sex line every day at 6pm
 b. my peer is talking to her sister for 2hrs every day during work
 c. various girlfriend/boyfiend problems

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread PJ Welsh

Comments inline:

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:38:07AM +0100, WipeOut wrote:
> Mark Evans wrote:
> 
> >>I think we're getting away from the original purpose of this program.
> >>Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based admin/user 
> >>interface?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I sure am, I want to give as much control as I can for basic tasks
> >to my customer who may not even know what Linux is :)
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >  
> >
> So it sounds like we need to combine everyones thoughts into a feature 
> list of some sort..
> 
> To me it sounds like we have talked about the following..
> 
> * PHP based
> * Database Independent (Initially MySQL and PGSQL)
> * CDR Viewing (real time view of last 20 (filterable by 
> src/dst/accountcode etc..) CDR entries)
> * CDR Reporting (per user/company/line, Somthing like the itemised 
> billing from a telco, User Accessable)

Do you want everyone to know where everyone is calling? I could see mgmt/owners having 
an issue with this in a normal business environment! Look Mr. Gate$ at extention 666 
made 500 calls to Mr Devil last week, I wonder what deals they are making ;) 

> * Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)

Doesn't this just display the config files for editing? I wouldn't want to put this as 
an internet reachable service without https. Heck if I'm just editing a file, why not 
just vi/vim/emacs/your-fav-editor from an ssh session ( lots of java ssh applets for 
this/ ssh clients )?

User Self Service would seem to mean replacing the PHPconfig anyway...

> * User Self Service (Ability to change VM password, Maybe even SIP 
> password, Advanded features in the future could be things like call 
> forwarding setup or a facility where the user could sit down in front of 
> any phone and "map" his extension to the phone on the desk in front of 
> him like hot desks in an office)

Make sure to think about limits for call forwarding. Should I be able to forward to a 
number in some other country?

Authentication/Authorization is a tough slippery slope... LDAP, NIS, NIS+, flatfile, 
database you get the picture.

You may want to think about Webadmin as a control frontend and build with that in 
mind...

Maybe CDR exports from the GUI (csv)?
In GUI Archiving mechanism for "old" records? ( record retention policy )

> 
> Feel free to add you ideas..
> 
> Later..
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

PJ Welsh wrote:

Comments inline:
Do you want everyone to know where everyone is calling? I could see mgmt/owners having an issue with this in a normal business environment! Look Mr. Gate$ at extention 666 made 500 calls to Mr Devil last week, I wonder what deals they are making ;)

This would have to be controled by that particular company's policy.. at
least the facility will be there..
Doesn't this just display the config files for editing? I wouldn't want to put this as an internet reachable service without https. Heck if I'm just editing a file, why not just vi/vim/emacs/your-fav-editor from an ssh session ( lots of java ssh applets for this/ ssh clients )?

Yes it does just display the conf files but it is far simpler (and
usually easier) to simply open a web broswer (authenticate) and edit the
files.. Access security will have to be built but network security is
again the choice of the admin.. if its only used on a LAN and his users
are not to awake then plain text is fine.. :)
User Self Service would seem to mean replacing the PHPconfig anyway...

I don't think so, could be built as a subset of the PHPconfig functions..

Make sure to think about limits for call forwarding. Should I be able to forward to a number in some other country?

Good point..

Authentication/Authorization is a tough slippery slope... LDAP, NIS, NIS+, flatfile, database you get the picture.

I would assume based on the nature of the program the authentication
would be DB based..
You may want to think about Webadmin as a control frontend and build with that in mind...

Maybe CDR exports from the GUI (csv)?
In GUI Archiving mechanism for "old" records? ( record retention policy )
Both good ideas.. :)

later..

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Dave Packham

I can add stuff to the phpconfig CVS dirs if anyone wants to contrib stuff.keep it 
all in one dir etc

phpconfig can run SSL and yes its a easy way to "vi" the files directly but it does 
give your options that "vi" does not like click on a context and see extensions 
within that context.   jump from config to config etc   its a framework to get 
people thinking about abbing a web interface to *.  

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Comments inline:

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:38:07AM +0100, WipeOut wrote:
> Mark Evans wrote:
> 
> >>I think we're getting away from the original purpose of this program.
> >>Are people really that desparate for a full, web-based admin/user 
> >>interface?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I sure am, I want to give as much control as I can for basic tasks
> >to my customer who may not even know what Linux is :)
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >  
> >
> So it sounds like we need to combine everyones thoughts into a feature 
> list of some sort..
> 
> To me it sounds like we have talked about the following..
> 
> * PHP based
> * Database Independent (Initially MySQL and PGSQL)
> * CDR Viewing (real time view of last 20 (filterable by 
> src/dst/accountcode etc..) CDR entries)
> * CDR Reporting (per user/company/line, Somthing like the itemised 
> billing from a telco, User Accessable)

Do you want everyone to know where everyone is calling? I could see mgmt/owners having 
an issue with this in a normal business environment! Look Mr. Gate$ at extention 666 
made 500 calls to Mr Devil last week, I wonder what deals they are making ;) 

> * Asterisk Management (initially based on PHPconfig)

Doesn't this just display the config files for editing? I wouldn't want to put this as 
an internet reachable service without https. Heck if I'm just editing a file, why not 
just vi/vim/emacs/your-fav-editor from an ssh session ( lots of java ssh applets for 
this/ ssh clients )?

User Self Service would seem to mean replacing the PHPconfig anyway...

> * User Self Service (Ability to change VM password, Maybe even SIP 
> password, Advanded features in the future could be things like call 
> forwarding setup or a facility where the user could sit down in front of 
> any phone and "map" his extension to the phone on the desk in front of 
> him like hot desks in an office)

Make sure to think about limits for call forwarding. Should I be able to forward to a 
number in some other country?

Authentication/Authorization is a tough slippery slope... LDAP, NIS, NIS+, flatfile, 
database you get the picture.

You may want to think about Webadmin as a control frontend and build with that in 
mind...

Maybe CDR exports from the GUI (csv)?
In GUI Archiving mechanism for "old" records? ( record retention policy )

> 
> Feel free to add you ideas..
> 
> Later..
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread John Todd

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:02:06 -0700
 "Paul Crick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  itemised billing from a telco, User Accessable)
Sounds good. Would you want to extend it any, using place names etc? So
calls to +1604xxx show up as "Canada" or "BC, Canada" (or even "Vancouver
BC, Canada") or am I just being a bit too ambitious (and annoying) there?
Yes ambitious, No, not annoying, and my comment is "oh my god, who's 
going to collate a list of Names/Area-codes?? Stuffed if I'm doing 
it. :)
;-)
Or, at least one of these sources might have the data for free:

(harvested off NANOG today)

http://puck.nether.net/npa-nxx/
http://www.cctec.com -> Search -> Search for info on NPA/NXX
http://www.numberingplans.com
http://www.telcodata.us/telco/telco.jsp
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Troy Settle


Also, 

http://npanxx.darkrealms.net/
http://members.dandy.net/~czg/


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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Todd
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend
> 
> >On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:02:06 -0700
> >  "Paul Crick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>   itemised billing from a telco, User Accessable)
> >>Sounds good. Would you want to extend it any, using place 
> names etc? So
> >>calls to +1604xxx show up as "Canada" or "BC, Canada" (or 
> even "Vancouver
> >>BC, Canada") or am I just being a bit too ambitious (and 
> annoying) there?
> >
> >Yes ambitious, No, not annoying, and my comment is "oh my god, who's 
> >going to collate a list of Names/Area-codes?? Stuffed if I'm doing 
> >it. :)
> >>;-)
> 
> Or, at least one of these sources might have the data for free:
> 
> (harvested off NANOG today)
> 
> http://puck.nether.net/npa-nxx/
> http://www.cctec.com -> Search -> Search for info on NPA/NXX
> http://www.numberingplans.com
> http://www.telcodata.us/telco/telco.jsp
> 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Troy Settle

> -Original Message-
> From: Jamie Carl
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:44 PM
> 
> Guys!  I'm putting the source up on SourceForge on my 
> existing account.  Questions is this tho:
> 
> 
> Suggestions please!  I would like to get this on SF by the 
> end of the day. (it's 9:33am here).
> 
> Someone I know once said:
>   "I'm not a coder, I'm just an idea man."
> 
> Well, I'm not a marketing man, just a coder.
> 

With all the discussion about licensing issues and the sort, I think it's
time for a full blown 3rd party application to work with Asterisk while at
the same time not causing Asterisk to become encumbered.  For such a
project, I'm license neutral.  While I prefer the BSD license, the GPL would
work just as well for such a project.

I'd say the first order of business, is to move this discussion to a
separate list so as not to annoy the purists.  Perhaps Digium would be
willing to host it?  Call it Asterisk-Addons and let us go have some fun?

Here's some general thoughts on the project.

For management, the interface and API is already defined.  The only way I
can think to improve this, is with the addition of SNMP read/write as well
as traps, but I'm sure that would create additional licensing issues for
Digium.

For general configuration, we can write text configuration files.  We could
also add a hook in Asterisk to tell it to obtain it's configuration from a
different fd (one that opens a socket to our stand-alone system).  Doing
this would allow suckers (like me) to run a live configuration from a MySQL
database, and would allow Digium to say "too bad it crashed, but we can't
help you if you're not using the default configuration schema."

For accounting, asterisk can write to a named pipe instead of or in addition
to the default csv file.  The only other things I can think to add, would be
an option to send data to syslog as well.

Additional hooks can be defined if needed, as long as we used named pipes or
sockets or whatever to maintain a seperation.  Doing it like this would keep
Asterisk at arms length from the encumbered code, allowing Digium to keep
the dual license option while also allowing the rest of the world to explore
the possibilities.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Roderick Montgomery

[snip happens]
According to John Todd:
> >On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:02:06 -0700
> >  "Paul Crick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > oh my god, who's going to collate a list of Names/Area-codes?? Stuffed
> > if I'm doing it. :)
> 
> Or, at least one of these sources might have the data for free:
> 
> (harvested off NANOG today)
> 
> http://puck.nether.net/npa-nxx/
> http://www.cctec.com -> Search -> Search for info on NPA/NXX
> http://www.numberingplans.com
> http://www.telcodata.us/telco/telco.jsp

This afternoon I used the list of NPAs (Area Codes) at
http://docs.nanpa.com/cgi-bin/npa_reports/nanpa?function=list_npa_geo_number>
and requested the XML dump for each NPA from Telcodata.us, then compressed
the tar file of all of them. FYI, I rate-limited wget and put a "sleep" in
the shell loop so as not to abuse their network's generosity.

If someone wants the entire thing, I've temporarily left it at
http://thecomplex.com/npanxx_info.tar.gz>.

I figured that NPAs change infrequently enough to warrant caching this info
with the CDR web interface, rather than calling it from some remote web
database.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Madsen

Troy Settle wrote:

With all the discussion about licensing issues and the sort, I think it's
time for a full blown 3rd party application to work with Asterisk while at
the same time not causing Asterisk to become encumbered.  For such a
project, I'm license neutral.  While I prefer the BSD license, the GPL would
work just as well for such a project.
I'd say the first order of business, is to move this discussion to a
separate list so as not to annoy the purists.  Perhaps Digium would be
willing to host it?  Call it Asterisk-Addons and let us go have some fun?
If this is going to become a full blown third party app, I am willing to 
organize any documentation that needs to be done for it.  I have been 
attempting to get a better handle of some of the more undocumented 
features of asterisk lately in an attempt to start documenting that as 
well, but since this "addon" is in the beginning stages, it might be 
nice to have documentation thought about right from the beginning (as 
opposed to an after thought)

Just my 0.02 cents CDN.
Leif Madsen.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread steve.lane

Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
together with Visual basic or .NET that will generate the config files for
you by translating what you want to do in telephony terms/jargon to
asterisk cofiguration terms/jargon. Maybe an FTP application be included
as a module to the application. Maybe even a test bed module that will
emulate your results without having to put the config files on the
asterisk box itself, lowering the risk of any complications that may occur
when making changes. How it would work is like this:
1. Windows application started.
2. User defines the variables within the application that pertains to
his/her  telephone service environment.
3. Any incomplete variables do not get written to the config file that
will be generated.
4. When completed setting up all available variables, the user can run an
asterisk emulation test to verify that the configuration is bolean.
5. Upon verification of a bolean setup, the user can create the config
files by pushing a "generate configurations" button.
6. Files could be written/generated to a directory specifically related to
the application that generated them.
7. Using the FTP module within the application, the user can migrate the
config files to * box. (Application can have a dropdown menu of possible *
boxes to migrate the config files to.)
8. Once the user has verified the correct configuration files in place,
the * box can be reloaded and physically tested.

Just my thoughts,

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread WipeOut

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
together with Visual basic or .NET that will generate the config files for
you by translating what you want to do in telephony terms/jargon to
asterisk cofiguration terms/jargon. Maybe an FTP application be included
as a module to the application. Maybe even a test bed module that will
emulate your results without having to put the config files on the
asterisk box itself, lowering the risk of any complications that may occur
when making changes. How it would work is like this:
1. Windows application started.
2. User defines the variables within the application that pertains to
his/her  telephone service environment.
3. Any incomplete variables do not get written to the config file that
will be generated.
4. When completed setting up all available variables, the user can run an
asterisk emulation test to verify that the configuration is bolean.
5. Upon verification of a bolean setup, the user can create the config
files by pushing a "generate configurations" button.
6. Files could be written/generated to a directory specifically related to
the application that generated them.
7. Using the FTP module within the application, the user can migrate the
config files to * box. (Application can have a dropdown menu of possible *
boxes to migrate the config files to.)
8. Once the user has verified the correct configuration files in place,
the * box can be reloaded and physically tested.
Just my thoughts,

Steve Lane



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Why do all this in VB or .NET and tie it into an M$ only system??

Take your ideas and build them in a PHP or similar language and then 
they will be OS independent and everyone will be able to take advantage 
of it..

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread Steven Critchfield

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
> say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put

No reason to put it in a dead end language like VB. At least you might
be able to use something in .net on an alternative to windows system. 

Also if it had to be written in VB to get more developers, it probably
won't get used because those types of programmers are unlikely to use
linux in any fashion.

Of course we still haven't seen if Mickysoft is going to use copyright
and patents to stop .Net from running on anything they don't get paid
for. Remember that not the whole spec was submitted for ECMA approval.
Mickysoft held back to control the playing field. Until we know the
rules of the new Mickysoft field, be wary.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread John Haigh


How about doing it in Java with Java web services(for conf file generation
and user authentication,e t c) so that way other developers can write in
other languages such as PHP or perl different front-ends but consume the web
services over http.

Well this is the way I plan on doing it so the code is more reusable by
others in the future.

John

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:57 PM
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
>say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
>together with Visual basic or .NET that will generate the config files for
>you by translating what you want to do in telephony terms/jargon to
>asterisk cofiguration terms/jargon. Maybe an FTP application be included
>as a module to the application. Maybe even a test bed module that will
>emulate your results without having to put the config files on the
>asterisk box itself, lowering the risk of any complications that may occur
>when making changes. How it would work is like this:
>1. Windows application started.
>2. User defines the variables within the application that pertains to
>his/her  telephone service environment.
>3. Any incomplete variables do not get written to the config file that
>will be generated.
>4. When completed setting up all available variables, the user can run an
>asterisk emulation test to verify that the configuration is bolean.
>5. Upon verification of a bolean setup, the user can create the config
>files by pushing a "generate configurations" button.
>6. Files could be written/generated to a directory specifically related to
>the application that generated them.
>7. Using the FTP module within the application, the user can migrate the
>config files to * box. (Application can have a dropdown menu of possible *
>boxes to migrate the config files to.)
>8. Once the user has verified the correct configuration files in place,
>the * box can be reloaded and physically tested.
>
>Just my thoughts,
>
>Steve Lane
>
>
>
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Why do all this in VB or .NET and tie it into an M$ only system??

Take your ideas and build them in a PHP or similar language and then
they will be OS independent and everyone will be able to take advantage
of it..

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

I'm in the middle of that, using VB6.


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend


> Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
> say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
> together with Visual basic or .NET that will generate the config files for
> you by translating what you want to do in telephony terms/jargon to
> asterisk cofiguration terms/jargon. Maybe an FTP application be included
> as a module to the application. Maybe even a test bed module that will
> emulate your results without having to put the config files on the
> asterisk box itself, lowering the risk of any complications that may occur
> when making changes. How it would work is like this:
> 1. Windows application started.
> 2. User defines the variables within the application that pertains to
> his/her  telephone service environment.
> 3. Any incomplete variables do not get written to the config file that
> will be generated.
> 4. When completed setting up all available variables, the user can run an
> asterisk emulation test to verify that the configuration is bolean.
> 5. Upon verification of a bolean setup, the user can create the config
> files by pushing a "generate configurations" button.
> 6. Files could be written/generated to a directory specifically related to
> the application that generated them.
> 7. Using the FTP module within the application, the user can migrate the
> config files to * box. (Application can have a dropdown menu of possible *
> boxes to migrate the config files to.)
> 8. Once the user has verified the correct configuration files in place,
> the * box can be reloaded and physically tested.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Steve Lane
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

Yes, I know... but some people uses Windows and hates web frontends (some
customers, for example)...
I hate Windows platforms, but I'm only a technician...


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> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
> > say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
>
> No reason to put it in a dead end language like VB. At least you might
> be able to use something in .net on an alternative to windows system.
>
> Also if it had to be written in VB to get more developers, it probably
> won't get used because those types of programmers are unlikely to use
> linux in any fashion.
>
> Of course we still haven't seen if Mickysoft is going to use copyright
> and patents to stop .Net from running on anything they don't get paid
> for. Remember that not the whole spec was submitted for ECMA approval.
> Mickysoft held back to control the playing field. Until we know the
> rules of the new Mickysoft field, be wary.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread Steven Critchfield

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:29, CW_ASN wrote:
> Yes, I know... but some people uses Windows and hates web frontends (some
> customers, for example)...
> I hate Windows platforms, but I'm only a technician...

Then please reread the whole of my argument. I was arguing only against
a front end that couldn't be used on other platforms also. This is why I
was so down on VB, it is only usable on Windows. I was mildly down on
.net stuff only because of the potential to have the mono rug ripped out
from under you. At least with a C++ app and a cross platform widget set,
you could write for windows and get linux and BSD for nearly free.


> - Original Message -
> From: "Steven Critchfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 15:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Do we have any Visual Basic or .NET programmers out there? The reason I
> > > say that is this. I would suggest that a program or application be put
> >
> > No reason to put it in a dead end language like VB. At least you might
> > be able to use something in .net on an alternative to windows system.
> >
> > Also if it had to be written in VB to get more developers, it probably
> > won't get used because those types of programmers are unlikely to use
> > linux in any fashion.
> >
> > Of course we still haven't seen if Mickysoft is going to use copyright
> > and patents to stop .Net from running on anything they don't get paid
> > for. Remember that not the whole spec was submitted for ECMA approval.
> > Mickysoft held back to control the playing field. Until we know the
> > rules of the new Mickysoft field, be wary.
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> Then please reread the whole of my argument. I was arguing only against
> a front end that couldn't be used on other platforms also. This is why I
> was so down on VB, it is only usable on Windows. I was mildly down on
> .net stuff only because of the potential to have the mono rug ripped out
> from under you. At least with a C++ app and a cross platform widget set,
> you could write for windows and get linux and BSD for nearly free.
>

Look, I agree with you, and I would be happy if I could to build the
application in C or C++, but I don't know nothing about these languages.
You must believe me, in a near future I will try to dedicate my time to
study these languages, but my present job causes this situation (it does
that I commit these criminal acts). :) Anyway, I think that these work can
help to anyone.

I will try to learn (at least) .net as soon as I can.

Thanks for you words,

Gustavo




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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread Jamie Carl



Ok, is it time for my comments on all of this?

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:56:22 -0500
 Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:29, CW_ASN wrote:
Yes, I know... but some people uses Windows and hates 
web frontends (some
customers, for example)...
I hate Windows platforms, but I'm only a technician...

If this is the case, obviously you need more experience in 
creating user friendly web frontends.  Some that I have 
seen are brilliant and look great on any OS.  PHP is best 
suited to what we are trying to do, because it's powerful, 
it has all the feature we want to use and it runs on the 
server.  Introducing FTP transfers and other such 
mechanisms is just asking for trouble.  Plus tying it to a 
windows system is very Anti-productive.

Then please reread the whole of my argument. I was 
arguing only against
a front end that couldn't be used on other platforms 
also. This is why I
was so down on VB, it is only usable on Windows. I was 
mildly down on
.net stuff only because of the potential to have the mono 
rug ripped out
from under you. At least with a C++ app and a cross 
platform widget set,
you could write for windows and get linux and BSD for 
nearly free.

Steven, i resent the discrimination of VB programmers, 
especially the comment: "those types of programmers are 
unlikely to use linux in any fashion".  I've been writing 
in VB for 8 years and it was the first language I learnt. 
I still use it occasionally.  Even though I use C on both 
windows and Linux, Python and now PHP.  It has it's uses. 
:)  Agreed though that this admin project is not one of 
them. :)

As for the rest of this discussion, I have already started 
work on this Asterisk Web Interface. (visit 
http://astweb.sourceforge.net).  The current release is 
still only the CDR section, but things are starting to 
evolve and I expect to have something usable in the next 
few weeks.  It is being written in PHP and will attempt to 
use ZERO OS-DEPENDANT code.

Regards,

Jamie Carl
Jazz Inc.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread Chris Tooley

Ok, so this seems to be in several threads:
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-October/022328.html
I've not trimmed this message on purpose to have a collection of
thoughts, further in this thread, please trim and refer to the thread.

I think it's safe to say that a PHP based system is what is going to
garner the most support.  I'm not great at PHP yet, but will learn, need
to get this done.  I'll be happy to start on Voicemail which I think
ties into Extensions.  Extensions seems to be the biggest task and the
core of the work that ties in most other things.  I'd be happy to start
there but need some assistance.

http://www.vanderkraan.net/awacs/ is another start.  We need to converge
on something and there needs to be some cohesion on an architecture.

It's not all there, but it's a starter:

Voicemail:
General {
Audio Format (WAV/WAV49/G723SF)
Send E-Mail From
Max Length of Messages
Max Length of Greetings
Max Failed Logins
Body of Email
Contexts -> Mailbox Definitions
}

Mailbox Definitions {
Mailbox Number (exten)
Password
Name
E-Mail
Pager E-Mail
Attach (Yes/No)
Timezone
}


On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:58, Jamie Carl wrote:
> Ok, is it time for my comments on all of this?
> 
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:56:22 -0500
>   Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:29, CW_ASN wrote:
> >> Yes, I know... but some people uses Windows and hates 
> >>web frontends (some
> >> customers, for example)...
> >> I hate Windows platforms, but I'm only a technician...
> >
> 
> If this is the case, obviously you need more experience in 
> creating user friendly web frontends.  Some that I have 
> seen are brilliant and look great on any OS.  PHP is best 
> suited to what we are trying to do, because it's powerful, 
> it has all the feature we want to use and it runs on the 
> server.  Introducing FTP transfers and other such 
> mechanisms is just asking for trouble.  Plus tying it to a 
> windows system is very Anti-productive.
> 
> >Then please reread the whole of my argument. I was 
> >arguing only against
> >a front end that couldn't be used on other platforms 
> >also. This is why I
> >was so down on VB, it is only usable on Windows. I was 
> >mildly down on
> >.net stuff only because of the potential to have the mono 
> >rug ripped out
> >from under you. At least with a C++ app and a cross 
> >platform widget set,
> >you could write for windows and get linux and BSD for 
> >nearly free.
> >
> 
> Steven, i resent the discrimination of VB programmers, 
> especially the comment: "those types of programmers are 
> unlikely to use linux in any fashion".  I've been writing 
> in VB for 8 years and it was the first language I learnt. 
>  I still use it occasionally.  Even though I use C on both 
> windows and Linux, Python and now PHP.  It has it's uses. 
> :)  Agreed though that this admin project is not one of 
> them. :)
> 
> 
> As for the rest of this discussion, I have already started 
> work on this Asterisk Web Interface. (visit 
> http://astweb.sourceforge.net).  The current release is 
> still only the CDR section, but things are starting to 
> evolve and I expect to have something usable in the next 
> few weeks.  It is being written in PHP and will attempt to 
> use ZERO OS-DEPENDANT code.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jamie Carl
> Jazz Inc.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CDR Web Search Frontend

2003-10-01 Thread Steven Critchfield

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:58, Jamie Carl wrote:
> Steven, i resent the discrimination of VB programmers, 
> especially the comment: "those types of programmers are 
> unlikely to use linux in any fashion".  I've been writing 
> in VB for 8 years and it was the first language I learnt. 
>  I still use it occasionally.  Even though I use C on both 
> windows and Linux, Python and now PHP.  It has it's uses. 
> :)  Agreed though that this admin project is not one of 
> them. :)

Jamie, I'm sorry if you took that as a insult about VB programmers. I
was getting ahead of an argument that didn't materialize. I have coded
in VB also. But the comment stands that if the language was chosen
specifically to ease getting developers, then the developer pool was
also shrunk by the other side of the project using linux. Most VB
programmers are fully bought into Windows. Else they would learn more
languages like you have, and Gustavo has said he plans to.

Also Gustavo, I was not trying to insult you either with my comments
about VB. I was not trying to flame you or cause a language war. 

Original quote we are referring about, by myself...

> Also if it had to be written in VB to get more developers, it probably
> won't get used because those types of programmers are unlikely to use
> linux in any fashion.

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>
> If this is the case, obviously you need more experience in
> creating user friendly web frontends.  Some that I have
> seen are brilliant and look great on any OS.  PHP is best
> suited to what we are trying to do, because it's powerful,
> it has all the feature we want to use and it runs on the
> server.  Introducing FTP transfers and other such
> mechanisms is just asking for trouble.  Plus tying it to a
> windows system is very Anti-productive.

I don't like frontends, but I know how to do good frontends. In this case,
the owners of the system don't want to use web application. Why? I don't
know! What do suppose to do? Break customer faces with a hammer? If the
customer wants windows app, I give him the windows app.

I know that frontends are really useful for everybody. I love consoles and
write plain text-files, but is my opinion...
My boss and the customers wants a windows app to configure *. I'm not happy
doing this, but is my job.

Certainly, PHP is the best option to do frontend.


Gustavo




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