Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Hi.Thanks for your comment. I found a solution in December last year. I chose Linode, which is really good for my needs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=320361#p320361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
2017-07-19
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Hello!I found this topic and thought I'd share some of my resources.So if I'm not mistaken, places like DreamHost and BlueHost are web hosting services that allow you to share the server with other customers, think of renting an apartment complex with many tenants. What you're probably looking for, and my guess is that you already found a solution, is a cloud hosting or dedicated VPS. I first started out with Windows on http://www.vps.net/ but I know people who use Linode, Voltr, OVH, Digital Ocean, and a few others.I got interested in them when I was wondering how some of my favourite on-line games hosted their servers all the time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=320145#p320145 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? @SLJ no problem; feel free to mail me if you need (it's right there on all my posts).By learning from the bottom up, I mean you should start with the mechanics and principles and go upward, instead of trying to digest everything necessary, at once, in order to achieve some complex task that's on your mind from the outset. UNIX is not user-friendly--or at least, it's picky about who its friends are. You have to learn the building blocks, so you can create your own solutions. Once you understand the simplicity of the UNIX philosophy, and how each individual piece of the puzzle is best suited to a particular problem in its own right, and how to combine those blocks together, you will begin to appreciate just how powerful the tools you have are.So in summary: carry on learning. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291609#p291609 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Thanks a lot. I have read a lot of tutorials and tried to learn from those. So I'm not sure on what you mean by learning it from the bottom. I've tried to do that. I might send you a mail if I run into trouble. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291540#p291540 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? You certainly jumped in at the deep end, didn't you? This is why I generally prefer to explain Linux from the bottom to the top, rather than the other way around--there's a lot of fundamental stuff you should really know before you go playing with fire, and getting confused and frustrated. Nevertheless, congratulations on having got where you are.And to answer some of your questions: the way to get ls to print in a single column is to use the -1 switch, to identify types using either the -l (long) or -F (types) switches, and to show all files (including files starting with a dot) using the -a switch. Then tar is usually started with either c for create and x for extract, z for gzip compression or j for bzip2 compression, and f filename for a file instead of standard input. What's standard input? You need to do some homework to answer that question, but by way of example, try typing "ls -la /Bin|more". Oh, and daemons can't be controlled once th ey have gone into the background; if you'd wanted to do that, you'd already have the means to communicate with the daemon by some other methods. Learn about job control in your shell if you'd like to learn about switching tasks, start multiple shells by connecting again using ssh, and kill processes using the kill and killall commands. Check the manual pages for this stuff for full details, as well as that of your shell, bash (warning: very, very long page!).This looks like a promising tutorial.I don't have easy access to chat stuff. Email and this forum work well though. If you find I'm slow to answer, feel free to just mail me. I'm sure we can sort you out if you get really badly confused. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291507#p291507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? You certainly jumped in at the deep end, didn't you? This is why I generally prefer to explain Linux from the bottom to the top, rather than the other way around--there's a lot of fundamental stuff you should really know before you go playing with fire, and getting confused and frustrated. Nevertheless, congratulations on having got where you are.And to answer some of your questions: the way to get ls to print in a single column is to use the -1 switch, to identify types using either the -l (long) or -F (types) switches, and to show all files (including files starting with a dot) using the -a switch. Then tar is usually started with either c for create and x for extract, z for gzip compression or j for bzip2 compression, and f filename for a file instead of standard input. What's standard input? You need to do some homework to answer that question, but by way of example, try typing "ls -la /Bin|more". Oh, and daemons can't be controlled once th ey have gone into the background; if you'd wanted to do that, you'd already have the means to communicate with the daemon by some other methods. Learn about job control in your shell if you'd like to learn about switching tasks, start multiple shells by connecting again using ssh, and kill processes using the kill and killall commands. Check the manual pages for this stuff for full details, as well as that of your shell, bash (warning: very, very long page!).This looks like a promising tutorial. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291507#p291507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Hi all.I wanna thank you all very much for all your great answers in this topic.I have gone from knowing close to nothing about the console in Linux to have a working server, managed users, the groups I need, added a bit of security and some other stuff as well. I would never have been able to do all that on my own without your help. So thank you so much... I'll continue to learn a lot about Linux.A friend of mine told me that a previous version of Ubuntu have longer support regarding to updates. So I'm not sure if I should install a previous version or not. Hw do I update the version of Ubuntu in the future? Does the apt-get update and upgrade automatically download the newest version of Ubuntu as well? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291334#p291334 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? A quick question which I can't find much information about on the internet:I accidentally started the Teamtalk server as none daemon. This means I can't enter commands in the terminal. Is there any way to switch between the open application and the terminal or go back to the terminal without rebooting the server from the dashboard? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291168#p291168 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? @jack: Thanks for your understanding for my needs.Yay! My first and biggest goal is now done. I currently have a Teamtalk server, which works... I know that might sounds nothing to you, but I'm quite proud of myself for having gone from not knowing much about the Linux console to setting it all up and getting something to work that fast. Two questions:1: Would some of you mind if I get a better contact to you like Skype or Facebook so we can chat privately? I don't wanna talk, just chat privately about a lot of basic Linux things, because there are a lot of things which I currently don't understand how works. It would be faster to chat privately about this than using the forum. It is of course okay if you don't wanna chat privately about this, but only wanna answer questions on the forum.2: Do you think it would be a good idea to wri te a totally newbie guide on how to get started on using Linux? I think many people are in the same boat like me. they have wanted to try Linux for very long time, but they get confusing each time they try to look up some documentation. I have spend most of the day searching the internet for a lot of basic things which I had to learn, and I have read a lot on forums and in documentations. I have messed things up, had to start from scratch, and it have taken a lot of time to get where I am now, and I have not even learned all the basics yet. So, what do you think about writing a basic documentation so people quickly can learn all the basics? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291162#p291162 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? No problem. Supposedly Vultr has a special promotion going right now if you make a $10 balance reload, and they give free credit as well if you follow @vultr on twitter. Many opportunities to gain more free credit. And there's always Vultr's hourly rates so if you wanted to do a bigger project but not a constant one, like an temporary internet radio stream without automation, then Vultr's hourly would be the right choice. Nevertheless, if you want to switch between the two for your different needs that is also very doable, because as long as you're using the same linux installation on both servers, operation of them is exactly the same. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291158#p291158 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Thanks a lot guys. @Jack regarding Vultr: Currently, I'll stick to Lynode, because I just need a dashboard which is easy to navigate while concentrating on learning Linux. I really prefer your help though, since I might need to set up an other Linux server for a much bigger project in the future. I'll keep my Vultr account, and thanks a lot for the credit.Regarding the Teamtalk server: I messed up the tar command, and confused myself by not knowing what was the server file without any extension, and what was the server folder. I found a documentation explaining more about the tar command, and everything seem to work.I'm currently accessing the server using the root access. When the server is up and running, I'll start to read about how users and permission works.Why does the LS command not tell if it's a folder? I find it difficult to know if it's a folder or a filename without an extension because the ls command doesn't say so. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291156#p291156 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Ok, here's the scoop on Vultr. To create the server, you're gonna want to use a lot of virtual focus and clicking, nvda object navigation works best for this. Go to Vultr and click on deploy instance. What you'll be presented with is first a list of country, I was presented with 5, and then a list of cities for close proximity. Where you click depends on what you want. For example, since Chicago Illinois was a location below the list of 5 countries, I clicked on that. Keep in mind that while the cities are one per line, the list of 5 or so countries will appear as a block of text. So for this, what you wanna do here is move by character to the first character of the country you want, then hit insert+shift+m to move the mouse cursor to that element. Then hit insert+left bracket to do a left click on that item. You'll want to remember these two commands as you'll be using them throughout this whole process. As for the cities, you'll do the same insert+s hift+m to focus, left click to activate however it will be easier as all the cities are separated by a line. Still, it's safe to hit the home key on a line just to make sure it's focused, insert+shift+m to focus, left click to activate. The next heading is the server type, move your cursor to the 6 on 64bit operating system, focus, then click on that. Next, os selection. There will be a line that says, debian select version. Focus and click on that. Then there will be some new clickable elements, you want to focus and click on 7x64 for debian 7x64. Next there will be the hd space, memory and cpu selection. A decent one for your purposes is the 20gb ssd so focus on the 20gb ssd line, focus and click on that. After extra features, there are two more settings you wanna configure, and that's host name, you could type sljVultr for example, this is what you'll be connecting to via ssh. The label edit box allows you to label it you can type the same thing, click deploy and you're good to go! It'll show that it's now installing debian7 onto your server. The installing status isn't in realtime, so I'd say wait 5 or so minutes for the operating system to install, then refresh your browser. Now you should click on, for once, an actual clickable link! that should be labeled as whatever you named your vultr server. It will give you the overview, in which there are 3 things you should look for. Your ip address, the username *should be root* and your password. The password i hidden by default, click the show password link, or the copy password link to automatically copy it. Now, you can use terminal on the mac, or whatever you use to access ssh, and do ssh r...@ipa.ddr.e.ss replacing those characters with your actual ip of course, then hit enter. You'll get a warning about adding the ssh key into /users/username/.ssh/known_hosts, but since this is your own server this shouldn't be a problem, just type yes and hit enter. Now type or paste in your password. You'll know it's successful when you start to hear the standard debian disclaimer, and get placed in the root of your server. The rest is accessible from here on out. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291154#p291154 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Ok, here's the scoop on Vultr. To create the server, you're gonna want to use a lot of virtual focus and clicking, nvda object navigation works best for this. Go to Vultr and click on deploy instance. What you'll be presented with is first a list of country, I was presented with 5, and then a list of cities for close proximity. Where you click depends on what you want. For example, since Chicago Illinois was a location below the list of 5 countries, I clicked on that. Keep in mind that while the cities are one per line, the list of 5 or so countries will appear as a block of text. So for this, what you wanna do here is move by character to the first character of the country you want, then hit insert+shift+m to move the mouse cursor to that element. Then hit insert+left bracket to do a left click on that item. You'll want to remember these two commands as you'll be using them throughout this whole process. As for the cities, you'll do the same insert+s hift+m to focus, left click to activate however it will be easier as all the cities are separated by a line. Still, it's safe to hit the home key on a line just to make sure it's focused, insert+shift+m to focus, left click to activate. The next heading is the server type, move your cursor to the 6 on 64bit operating system, focus, then click on that. Next, os selection. There will be a line that says, debian select version. Focus and click on that. Then there will be some new clickable elements, you want to focus and click on 7x64 for debian 7x64. Next there will be the hd space, memory and cpu selection. A decent one for your purposes is the 20gb ssd so focus on the 20gb ssd line, focus and click on that. After extra features, there are two more settings you wanna configure, and that's host name, you could type sljVultr for example, this is what you'll be connecting to via ssh. The label edit box allows you to label it you can type the same thing, click deploy and you're good to go! It'll show that it's now installing debian7 onto your server. More to follow. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291154#p291154 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Here's an in-depth tutorial on how to get a teamtalk server up and running. It's for Vultr but it should work for either or. As for vultr, they did make their c-panel very inaccessible recently,and before that it was almost completely accessible. The server recommended is a debian7x64 distribution, and I'd recommend debian anyway. I'll give Vultr another try and see if I can make a guide on getting past the confusing setup using nvda. You could then try both Linode and Vultr since the teamtalk installation method would be the same for both, and then see which one you like.https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-a-team … r-on-linux URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291153#p291153 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Hi!To start the server, first you have to set the permissions to the server file. To do that typechmod +x ./tt5srvIt will set the permission for tt5srv file. Then, type./tt5srvThis command will launch the file tt5srv. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291142#p291142 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Hi again.So, I'm starting to get the basics., but I still have a lot of things to learn.I have created the users I need, and I need to read about the different groups, permissions etc. because I have no idea on how this works.I'll also take a look on how nanoedit works, since I need that later on. Seems interesting.I'm glad I'm starting to get the basics how things works. I just need to get used to the ls command, which prints things out which is difficult to read, because multiple files and folders are on the same line, and folders aren't mentioned as folders but just empty, like filenames without an extension.My first goal is to set up a Teamtalk server.I have downloaded the compressed file by using the gw command, and the file got downloaded to the right folder. This is really a useful command.However, I'm not sure on how the tar command works. There are a ton of arguments, and I find it difficult to figure out what I need. There is -x to extract, but it fails when using only the -x argument.So I looked it up on Google, and someone suggested some other arguments, I think it was f and z, but without any explanations. I tried that, and the Teamtalk file got extracted into a new folder with the same name as the file. I want to choose a shorter name if possible, but don't know how to do it. However, I gave it a try and entered the folder.The tt5srv file which is the server file don't have an extension, which I find pretty weird. So because of that I'm unable to start the server.I have searched on Google how to install a Teamtalk server, but again, all the explanations I find don't make much sense to me. I mean, what's the point of typing a lot of random commands when you don't know what they do? I'm trying to learn while doing this, so therefore, I'm not up for typing in random commands which I don't know what do... So, any clue on what to do? Do I need to install something extra, or have I extracted the file incorrectly? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291139#p291139 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? I finally got it accepted by a virtual click. I don't find the website user friendly at all. Deploying the server was a challenge, because I wasn't sure what was selected, and I managed to select the wrong country. Well, the server is running. But, I can't connect using SSH to the server. I'm not sure on what I'm doing wrong. I type ssh and then the IP address but it won't connect.I think I'll take a look at Lynode as well to compare those services.Edit:Okay, so I've just realized I messed up, big time. The first time I tried to log in, I got a warning saying I couldn't log in, and it asked if I wanted to keep trying. I said no, and then the connection stopped working. When I try to log into my Vultr server, nothing happens. So I'l try to destroy the server and reinstall it.I have created an account on Lynode as well to compare those two services. I know this is more expensive, but I must say for a tot al newbie like me, I'll prefer Lynode because the website is really great, the dashboard is very accessible and easy to navigate. I fully understand those who choose Vultr because they are cheep. I think I'll use Vultr as a test server and Lynode for more serious stuff. The current status is that I have successfully connected to my Lynode server using SSh.thank you so much for all your recommendations so far. I'm sure I'l have more questions later on, but currently, my goal is to learn the basics Unix commands and system. Ubuntu have some fantastic documentation. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291113#p291113 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? I finally got it accepted by a virtual click. I don't find the website user friendly at all. Deploying the server was a challenge, because I wasn't sure what was selected, and I managed to select the wrong country. Well, the server is running. But, I can't connect using SSH to the server. I'm not sure on what I'm doing wrong. I type ssh and then the IP address but it won't connect.I think I'll take a look at Lynode as well to compare those services. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291113#p291113 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Maybe they did change the website. Is there a line of text that says I agree to the terms? You may have to try and virtually click that with the mouse. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=291081#p291081 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? So, I'm trying to link my credit card to my account on vultra.com. I can't agree to the terms of service, because there is no checkbox or any other accept button to click. When I click link credit card, it says I should agree to the terms of service. I'm currently using Safari on my Mac. Maybe I should try an other browser.Edit: I have just tried with Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome, but none of those browsers let me accept the terms. How did you do that then you created your account? Maybe they have changed the website? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290982#p290982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? So, I'm trying to link my credit card to my account on vultra.com. I can't agree to the terms of service, because there is no checkbox or any other accept button to click. When I click link credit card, it says I should agree to the terms of service. I'm currently using Safari on my Mac. Maybe I should try an other browser. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290982#p290982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Awesome, thank you. It feels kind of retro, just like the old DOS days, but with a much more advanced system... Is there a simple Linux console I can install on a virtual machine which includes a screenreader to learn the basics? Can I just install the Ubuntu server and activate a screenreader? I don't need the graphical interface but just the console and of course a working screenreader which also talks during the installation.I have installed Ubuntu long time ago, but that was the graphical interface. I'm not sure on how to install the console based Ubuntu server, and I'm not sure on how to activate a screenreader as well.I would like to try out the basics before I buy if it's easy to install. I'll not set up a working server, but just do the basics commands. If it's not easy to set up, I'll wait to the beginning of january to get the most out of my money, and then buy a cheep VPS.Or, maybe I should just create a test folder on my Mac to try out the basic commands, but I'm afraid to mess up my Mac if I do something wrong... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290237#p290237 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Yes. That would download just the file. But (at the risk of putting a damper on things) it's a teensy bit more complicated than that ... the shell characters that might be in URLs need to be escaped. The best way is to use single quotes, or apostrophes, to surround your URL; then any character, except the apostrophe itself of course, will pass by OK.And wget, itself, is quite a beast. Learn it by reading its documentation. There is a man page (type "man wget" to view it, press space to scroll, press q to quit the pager). Type "wget --help" for a quick summary. "info wget" for the full documentation, or better still, just Google it and read the documentation from GNU.In fact take this as a general recommendation to go forth and experiment and learn and read. You can't go wrong. "man" followed by a command, "info", and online help, as well as directories under /usr/share/doc, contain a whole load of useful inf ormation ...Oh, and feel free to ask your questions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290202#p290202 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? [[wow]], thanks for this really awesome reply... So, I can just type wget and then the direct URL to a zip file on a website to download it? It's nice that the server supports ftp access as well. It's starting to make sense regarding to how it works... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290158#p290158 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Ubuntu Server does not even include the files required for a GUI and I suspect the debian images offered by the VPS providers don't, either. So no, you won't have to worry about GUI processes using up any resources and you'll be exclusively dealing with a CLI.Installing things will go in either of 2 ways. The first, which you'll be using most often, is a package manager (apt for debian and Ubuntu). If you have ever used Homebrew on your Mac, then this is the exact same concept. If not, think of it like an app store and software update service in one. The most important packages, like Apache (web server), git, the bash shell, SSH server, text editors like vin or nano, various utilities like wget or curl for downloading files, programming languages like Python or perl or even the linux kernel, will be installed and updated with it. So usually it will come down to typing in sudo apt-get install apache or whatever else you'll need, then saying yes to con firm the installation; You will also be able to update every package on your system at once with sudo apt-get upgrade and you'll want to do this once every few weeks to make sure you're running the newest version of everything.If something isn't already in a repository, you can install it manually. Most Linux applications are compiled manually by downloading their source code from a Git repository and running a make command. This usually is explained in the readme for whatever you'll be installing and these commands are all done on the server itself.In the case of Teamtalk you don't have to compile anything. Just get the latest linux debian archive from the bearware site (which also works on Ubuntu), extract it and start the server. You can just download files onto the server directly using wget, then extracting them. If you ever need to upload or download a file onto your computer, you can log in over SFTP by entering the exact same address, us ername and password as for SSH. Every FTP client I'm aware of now supports SFTP connections, IE transmit, Forklift or commander one on Mac, or filezilla or winSCP on Windows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290155#p290155 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? No, it won't. The command line will be used probably because no desktop environment is installed. Plus, even if it was, linux desktop environments really do not take up that much resources on the server. This isn't windows, and Linux is very! well respected for being a lightweight operating system, thus making it a favorite option for servers. Nearly all website hosting providers run their server on linux installations for this very reason, it's strong enough to almost guarantee continuous uptime. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290050#p290050 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? I would personally recommend Ubuntu server over debian, mostly because Debian has really old and out of date packages. Using either won't be very different at all as they both use apt for packages and when it comes down to it is Linux, so what roel said can apply just as much to Ubuntu as it does to Debian.To answer your question though, yes absolutely. 98% of linux distributions are completely free so you can just go to their homepage, get an ISO image of an installation disk and either virtualise it or run it as a live CD on a physical computer.Ubuntu server download pageDebian downloadsIn addition, a few VPS providers offer trials of their machines. For example Lynode, which is many blind people's favourites, has one though I think they are overpriced for what they offer. Setting up Linux on a VPS isn't as complicated as setting it up on a VM.Because the hosting companies have all of the various Linux distributions on their server, all you have to do is select which one you want to use and it will be installed for you automatically and you will just be able to log in and start working right away. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290031#p290031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What kind of server would you recommend?
Re: What kind of server would you recommend? If you just want to get started, you might want to go for debian. It's a system where everything is basically setup for you. for example, getting a website online is as simple as typing apt-get install apache2 in the terminal, and it will install apache and set it up with defaults. Regarding wine, just type in apt-get install wine, go to your executable with cd and type wine filename.exe, and you're done.Sound rts is opensource, so just download the mac/linux version, and type server.py to launch it. Linux can be overwhelming at first, but if you spend a little time tinkering with it, you'll ask your self why you didn't do it sooner. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290008#p290008 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Thanks a ton for all your comments.Regarding Windows: My plan is to host as many servers for online gaming as possible. Sound RTS, RTR and other servers regarding to audiogaming. So if those can run in Wine, Linux sounds like what I should go for.Then I need to run a Teamtalk server, which I already have tried to run on Linux, or in Terminal on my Mac. Then I'm currently looking at an IRC server, which of course also will run in Linux.My issue with Linux is that I don't have much experience with the terminal. This is not the commands, they are pretty easy for me to learn, since I started out with DOS as my first operating system back in the 90's. But all those different Linux systems are confusing me. I'm not sure on what Linux system I should get, and why. I don't know what I need to get it all up and running.So, let's assume I would go for Linux. What do I exactly do to get everything up and running if I wanna make a Teamtalk server? I know how to configure a TT server, but what do I do from the very beginning? Or where can I read more about it? I assume I need to install a lot of things, but maybe it's easier than it sounds like... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290003#p290003 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? The Mac Mini would be better if it were the 2012 model, quad-core. But the current Minis are still pretty good if your server load will be predictable. Virtualisation is one thing that probably throws this calculation off though.Yours is not a bad idea, SLJ, but I have two Mac Minis on my desk and only one of them runs macOS (the other runs Linux), and the Mac can't be remotely accessed unless I'm next to it and can hear the audio. If you ever figure out how to stream audio, great, but I haven't yet. So you end up with a keyboard and pair of headphones in hand, even though the Mac can indeed do many things as a server; mine is used just to serve iOS clients with the caching server and also handles network backups. Linux, of course, is God's gift to geeks with skill in the command line. Windows is fully accessible with Remote Desktop.Running a VPS is nice, but it still has two fundamental problems: it's somebody else's computer, and laten cy. The first is a matter of philosophy: why pay over the odds for someone else to do your work for you? But it has advantages of scalability at the lower end and makes it much easier to experiment or add and remove VMs, even though it introduces possible privacy concerns as do all clouds. The other is much more practical: you can't run a NAS from the cloud, because a network storage box has to be on your own LAN, by necessity.As somebody here has said, it would be nice to know what your exact needs are, so we can advise you on the simplest route. I'd suggest a Linux box on your LAN as well as a Mac Mini, but since you'll want Windows as well I'm thinking the Mac is still the better option as long as you're prepared to lose a little flexibility and remote manageability. Linux in theory provides everything you need, but you would have to do everything without a head, which is certainly possible but challenging for a novice, and realistically it's impossible to do certain things like run proprietary software logged in (such as iTunes or Arq, in my case).HTH. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=289968#p289968 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Windows VPS's will be considerably more expensive than a linux VPS. Not because you need higher system requirements, but because of the ridiculous licensing requirements imposed by Microsoft, the cost of which are transferred to customers by the hosting companies. If you insist on having Windows access, then the best way would probably be installing NVDA with NVDA remote on it though that will not work for iOS.Accessibility of Linux servers is perfect straight out of the box as you'll always be logging in over text-only SSH. Most things you'd ever want to do will have been explained already on-line with a lot of guides. Things like web servers or TeamTalk all have linux binaries and generally work better than they do on Windows. It would be helpful if you could explain what exactly you want to do with it and what makes Windows a requirement, as you should be able to run some basic Windows applications, IE audio game servers, using Wine (This is how the primary RTR server is running as PureBasic's network support is very unstable under Linux) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=289905#p289905 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Sounds like I should go for the Mac Mini solution then. More comments are very much welcome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=289902#p289902 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What kind of server would you recommend? Yes, I agree with poster 2.But text editors aren't such a problem, you can install an FTP server on your remote machine or more secure SCP, and then edit files from your windows PC using Total commander for FTP and WINSCP for SCP URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=289888#p289888 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
