Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment It just gets better and better.This isn't actually about spyware or the Windows 10 nagware, but it's still relevant to this thread because it's another underhanded tactic for getting people onto Win10. So ...Microsoft is giving Windows 7 and 8.1 users using current sixth-generation Skylake chips eighteen months to upgrade to Windows 10. Beyond that, they will not receive support. The latest Kaby Lake chips, due out before 2017, will not even be supported on the older versions at all.Welcome, my Windows-using friends, to the Apple way. Don't you think it's time you got that Mac? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247294#p247294 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment It just gets better and better. This isn't actually about spyware or the Windows 10 nagware, but it's still relevant to this thread because it's another underhanded tactic for getting people onto Win10. So ...Microsoft is giving Windows 7 and 8.1 users using current sixth-generation Skylake chips eighteen months to upgrade to Windows 10. Beyond that, they will not receive support. The latest Skylake chips, due out before 2017, will not even be supported on the older versions at all.Welcome, my Windows-using friends, to the Apple way. Don't you think it's time you got that Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247294#p247294 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Wanderer: well, yes, quite. This is really why virtualisation is such a boon. Windows 8.1 is good enough for me, but I have heard that Windows 10 is continually improving hardware support. I just can't live with the loss of control, as you said. To me, that's simply the end of my relationship with M$. And things were really looking up, too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247058#p247058 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Just out of curiosity, how do you turn off all telemetry just in case I wanted to do it some time without group policy? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247050#p247050 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I'd say I have about the same amount of control I did on 8.1, so not really a loss there. I can't pick and choose which updates are downloaded by default, but I never really did that on earlier versions anyway except for the 8.1 telemetry update, which is kind of irrelevant now.@Superb, if you don't have Group Policy you're probably out of luck. There's a registry value under HKEYLocalMachine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Data Collection called Allow Telemetry which you can set to zero, but I'm not sure how effective it is. Disable the "Connected user experience and telemetry" service and all tasks under Customer Experience Improvement Program in Task Scheduler. Also disable the SIH and SIHBOOT tasks under windows update. Microsoft generally allows enterprise users greater control, which is why I use the enterprise evaluation version as oposed to a home or pro copy. Hope that helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247094#p247094 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I think I said this previously in this thread, but what pisses me off even more than the privacy violations is how MS is so presumptuous as to have things set to run in the background and automatically upload data by default, wasting CPU time and adding unneeded complexity. My computer works for me, not Microsoft, and this is what they seem to be forgetting. That being said I find later Windows versions, on capable hardware, to actually be snappier than XP, plus the archetecture of that OS is really ineficient when it comes to updates and modular design. Of course that pretty much goes for all Windows versions, so I digress. It's really not feasible to run XP on newer hardware though because of things like UEFI, SATA, SSDs and the fact that drivers are no longer being made for it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247040#p247040 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah, I get it. We just need someone to break the cycle of dependence, I guess. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247020#p247020 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment The only reason i'm on 10 is for gaming on this machine. I keep xp on all the other machines just because i miss the days of when windows was light-weight and had a very small memory footprint. There is an argument floating around the net that basically says something to the affect of, we gave our privacy away a long time ago, hell just the very nature of surfing the net tells people generally where you live, and your IP address. But then again, i'm not paranoid, maybe i stopped caring about privacy concerns quite a while back, whether that's good or bad is up for debate. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247025#p247025 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah I've disabled it in both Group Policy and the registry (the group policy setting doesn't seem to change the registry value) as well as all the "diagnostic" services and scheduled tasks. Using NVDA; Eloquence is actually one of the reasons I'm still on Windows and not OS X, it's just more pleasant to listen to. I guess I'm just too lazy lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247015#p247015 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Wanderer: oof! Not for me.Still, what screen reader are you on? Curious minds want to know.Did you follow all of the steps for disabling telemetry by policy? You can't disable it just by killing processes in Win10 since it's practically hardwired. See this.I really want to be able to use Windows, but I'm afraid I have no trust in M$. It's too bad. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246972#p246972 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Quite fun indeed. Does it help that I am kicking and screaming? So far, my figurative kicking and screaming has kept me on seven. One of the reasons I am staying on seven is that 10 doesn't really offer me anything I want for what all it does. Another is that I want a lot of the bugs worked out, and I am worried about the privacy concerns I have. Of course when I updated to seven, there is the fact I wanted a SSD. As far as I know, XP doesn’t support SSD drives. 16 gigs of ram helps. There has to be some software I really want. Another thing that may drag me into 10 is some peace of must have hardware. I am sure that others on this form would understand. That doesn’t mean I have to like what MS is doing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246917#p246917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah I gave up and am on 10, surprisingly it's actually not that bad. I disabled syncing and everything (services, tasks, registry values) that has to do with telemetry, and only start the Windows Update service when I actually want to update. It seems a little snappier than 7 or 8.1 and has some nice changes like the improved settings screen (though the fact that some settings are there and some are in control panel is pretty ridiculous), virtual desktops and time estimation for the battery to be fully charged, and Cortana can be nice if you want to do something like quickly convert currency or check the weather, though I have it disabled on most of my devices. Just use ClassicShell and uninstall the stupid preloaded apps with CCleaner and it's tolerable. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246965#p246965 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment The march continues.Windows 10 will now, contrary to prior assertions, download and install onto domain-joined computers, too. You must be getting your updates through WSUS to stop it. So, every small business with mobile users is now under the giant hammer.It's quite fun, this, isn't it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246863#p246863 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I don't know. If MS manage to kick up any more of a shitstorm, then I'll consider installing GWX Control Panel, although honestly I'd rather not. It may be a cure, but it's not ideal because it has to stay resident just to work, which means a systray icon just like the nagware itself.And, agree. If MS could just give us what we wanted, it'd all be all right. But they are absolutely determined not to. You can just smell the fear. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246613#p246613 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment GWX control panel app is useble, or at least the parts that everyone on here will need to access. I installed it using jaws, and I tabbed around setting up my settings with know problem. It did, at least, I got rid of the get windows 10 icon from the system tray. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246469#p246469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment The saga continues.The latest Windows Update client now pushes you into installing Windows 10 if it's downloaded. Uninstalling the update client is ill-advised, because it's the Windows Update client and will be responsible for handling future updates. It's also known to resolve some real memory leak issues in previous versions. And removing the nagware itself is too late once you've reached that stage. You will need to resort to politely asking the client not to pester you.I prefer this approach, because it leaves nothing behind. Start with no recommended updates installed and apply this registry fix, which would completely prevent the download from the inception. Still, it will work at any future time as well, so long as M$ don't start ignoring the policy.There is another option though, and it's gaining po pularity, but I don't know how accessible it is. It also allows you to remove the downloaded data, and it can optionally stay resident to watch for the inevitable changes which are sure to happen as M$ roll out new updates and which have been observed in the wild. It can also reverse the changes that it makes. It's called GWX Control Panel.Stay safe, stay away ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246467#p246467 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment And the gwx control panel doesn't stop this from happoning for you? I have that gwx control panel running in the background on my system. If this months updates do get pass this app, then I may not even want to worry about applying them. MS really want us to update don't they? LOL. The more they push, the more I don't want to. The best way to get me to update is to come out with software that I really want to use that only works on windows ten. When I say want, I mean that I really got to want it in this case. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246518#p246518 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment This just in: now it seems even setting the registry keys is ineffective.I give up. Microsoft simply cannot be trusted. Apple have flaws, but holy tripe, nothing like this!I'm staying on XP in a VM. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246501#p246501 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment This just in: now it seems even setting the registry keys is ineffective. A background process resets them.I give up. Microsoft simply cannot be trusted. Apple have flaws, but holy tripe, nothing like this!I'm staying on XP in a VM. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246501#p246501 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment The saga continues.In what has to be the most incredibly insincere and disingenuous blog post imaginable, MS are now telling us, with lots of predictable spin and with no way to send feedback through the blog comments, that Windows 10 Setup will, as of early next year, be delivered as a "Recommended" update. That means, if you have gone with the settings most typical for an install of Windows, that you will be involuntarily downloading and running Windows 10 Setup. Fortunately, you can still refuse at that point, though you'll waste your bandwidth on the download.Have I said this before? It's just, I really was hopeful that M$ had finally got the message. But they're back to their old ways. It's clear now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=236928#p236928 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment ahoy all8.1? from what I heard Microsoft was planning on forcefully upgrading people to windows 10. I.E adding those updates in windows update, or least that's what I thought. didn't have a deeper look yet sinse I have windows updates disabled at the moment. aye, I might be a bit unsecured doing so, but I need to give this laptop a formatting soon enough,anyway.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235398#p235398 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment It's because Microsoft had force-ticked the windows 10 update, so even blocking scripts won't work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235453#p235453 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah, WSUSOffline is a misleading name, but no, it's not a Microsoft product. It can work with Microsoft's WSUS though, which as you say requires a server edition of Windows which in practice means, unlike OS X and Linux, nobody will have it on their home or small-office network. Yay Microsoft, always keeping it real for the 99%. And of course Win10 users will be getting all the updates anyway, regardless what you install.You can script additions/removals in your WSUSOffline install; that's how you set up includes/excludes and post-update routines to make the magic happen so that once your install is done you are all set for a nag-free experience. Sadly as people have said on here the process is more than a little bit hit-and-miss at this stage because MS keep updating the updates to make them more and more f***ing annoying. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235457#p235457 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I "like" how I disabled updates and ran the block windows script, and still got the "installing updates xx% don't turn off your computer" screen. ... Or how I'm on Windows 8.1 for some reason, even though I never agreed to install that particular update. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235358#p235358 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Sebby thanks for that, I thought WSUS was a Microsoft thing and had to be run on the server editions of Windows. It seems that there was another "Update to the Diagnostic experience"/Whateverthefuckthey'recallingitnow update last Tuesday. This routine of checking the support page of every update before I install it is going to get very, very old. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235329#p235329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Be careful what updates you install though, you don't want to get the spyware treatment as well, there's a chance you could. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235237#p235237 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Mmm. Well they say they've corrected the issue, but I don't like it. Perhaps people who don't want automatic updates have a point.@Wanderer: WSUS Offline Update is your friend. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235196#p235196 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment All right. Here we go again.Microsoft apparently pushing the Win10 installation as a pre-selected "Optional" update, they say by mistake.Watch out ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235146#p235146 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Well, a "mistake?" Sounds iffy to me, wouldn't trust that. As for that blue screen mentioned in the article, I think that's what I'd call another example of defective by design. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235154#p235154 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I'm back on 8.1 if anyone is interested, got fed up with Win10's sluggishness in addition to all these privacy concerns. Will hopefully get around to slipstreaming an ISO with updates someday... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235167#p235167 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah, sadly have to agree that in Wanderer's shoes Windows is probably the best solution going forward for across-the-board, if mediocre, accessibility to everything that you really need. Once you're done with college, you can reconsider your options, for hobby or play. Linux is just too hard for everyday use; I only run it on servers (including hardware) myself. For a desktop it's just setting yourself up for something to go horribly wrong in some maddening post-install DIY device driver setup step that leaves you vulnerable to an update that completely borks everything. It's really quite sad, much as I'd love to promote it.I'd never rescind my position on Win10, however. 8.1 for me, with WSUS Offline update to get patches quickly installed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232642#p232642 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yeah, sadly have to agree that in Wanderer's shoes Windows is probably the best solution going forward for across-the-board, if mediocre, accessibility to everything that you really need. Once you're done with college, you can reconsider your options, for hobby or play. Linux is just too hard for everyday use; I only run it on servers (including hardware) myself. For a desktop it's just setting yourself up for something to go horribly wrong in some maddening post-install DIY device driver setup step that leaves you vulnerable to an update that completely borks everything. It's really quite sad, much as I'd love to promote it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232642#p232642 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Unfortunately, it's not always as simple as "just get Linux." Hardware support and accessibility are steadily improving, but they're not up to par with Windows or OS X. If you're on a laptop, battery life is usually also a pretty big issue, and most people have neither the time nor the inclination for the screwing around required to get even the most user-friendly of distros to work. Also, good luck if you want anything but either an old version of Eloquence, Espeak or Festival (with a lot of tweaking.) Personally, trivial as it sounds, I just find the latest version of Eloquence that can be used on Windows pleasant to listen to, much more so than anything else I've tried including OS X Alex. I'm not bashing Linux at all, just stating some things you have to consider. I'm starting college in a few days, and I want what's most convenient for me with a minimum amount of hassle, and that, for now, means Windows )after everything is set up, of course.)A friend has Cortana working and showed it to me, and I actually quite like it, it's a shame it comes with so many privacy implications. I think I have to back a little on my previous statement; Windows 8.1 has hundreds of updates and there will only continue to be more, and it's just ridiculous, so for future reinstalls I think I'm going to have to go with 10. Hopefully Microsoft gets slapped in the face by some court, but I'm not holding my breath. Task Scheduler and group policy editor here I come... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232216#p232216 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yep. Microsoft, the outmoded crappy company we have come to know, has turned viol at our privacy. Guyss, just, get linux, it's free so why not? If you can't afford a mac, just get linux. I'm not forcing anyone directly, but this is safety here so privacy isn't violated. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232179#p232179 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment HelloExactly. There are so many people out there who don't really check out what their systems can do, or might even be doing, without their consent, and as Jack said the big corperations take advantage of this. This stuff did not happen in the 90's or even back on xp. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232021#p232021 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment And this, is exactly why, on the windows side, I will be sticking strictly to xp and below, and also attempting to install windows xp 32bit on my older 64bit alternate dell machine which should work, the thing only has just above 3gb of ram anyway. With a huge, massive increase of people getting connected in this decade, there have become factions, people who just want something to get stuff done, and people who actually want a computer and know the inner-workings. The former is what corporations take advantage of, because when they make a dick-move, the former won't be crying out, and the former is most of the people today who are connected today, whether it be via pc or mobile phone. Apple has fortunately kept the taking advantage of down to an incredibly inferior amount compared to Microsoft. Google's pulled a few fast ones on their privacy policy in the past few years, but have learned from their mistakes, and always remember there's the data collection permissi ons bit whenever you install an app on google play which anyone and everyone should read before installing an app on their android device. And on chrome/chrome os, if an app gets an update and requires new special permissions, it asks for your consent before making the app work again. Microsoft has not done this, and they have not, and probably will not, learn from their mistakes. They have also refused to answer tech support questions about the force-feeding of the windows 10 setup. I make this statement to everyone, it is in your best interests at this point int time to turn away from MS, go to another platform, an retain your right to privacy. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232061#p232061 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment It's the direction MS are taking windows, yeah. Sad. Somewhat ironic that people who do know what they're doing and just want to get things done are now having to work harder to stop Windows from being a privacy-invading toy, and start it being an OS which they can just use to do stuff. People who wanna do stuff already understand than an OS is there to simply launch programs, it's not obligated to include digital assistants that spy on you or assume responsibility for managing updates. Argh!Jack's right; rethink your platform choices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=232088#p232088 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Wanderer: It's because people who use computers, like people who just wanna get stuff done, write stuff, emails, stuff like that, do not care about the actual inner-workings of the operating system and such, or how good a system you get. In deed, if someone's that old-schooled, they could get a 486 for next to nothing at a garage sale, get an dial-up/ethernet cable, and an isp, and be completely satisfied. Of course, that's frowned upon, being such an old system to actually use for daily use, but I mean hey, if it fits their need, it fits their need. That's what these companies like ms take advantage of, that that kind of people won't care that their system will be upgraded without their concent, that their system is being watched, etc. They are the voiceless in this case. This is another slap-in-the-face to anyone and everyone satisfied with windows 7, especially! corporations or schools who may in deed have incompatibility, all because Ms threw th is party, hey, let's get windows10 on every computer in the world that we can! Hell, it may not even be that big of a problem for someone who has large amounts of storage, and unlimited bandwidth, that would be me in this case, but do I wanna keep the temporary install folder? Certainly not. if I said no, that means no. I may change my mind later, but for now, no is no. I can't understand why in the business world most people just, won't, get it. No, is, no. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231983#p231983 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Well, I've officially lost all respect for Microsoft. This is a slap in the face to the user. They're essentially saying "you're an idiot and can't think for yourself, so we're going to decide what's best for you and you're computer, and by "best, we mean an easy data mine for us. Hopefully you won't notice, but if you do, well, LOOK AT THE PRETTY! Don't mind the slowdowns, interruptions of your work and you're CPU time being wasted with our data collection; they're all benefits of the upgrade!"The answer to the question of whether or not you want Windows 10 is simple: yes or no. If yes, Microsoft has made it extremely easy to upgrade. No, on the other hand, strange as it sounds, means...no. I'm not quite sure how a company who claims to be as innovative as MS fails to understand this. I think the only reason they're getting away with this is because most folks want to use their computers to do a ctual work, and have learned over time to put up with the myriad inconveniences of Windows, inconveniences which in reality are absolutely unacceptable on modern hardware. Truly disgusting. Sorry for the rant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231915#p231915 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Hello,Agreeed, I only want that on one of my systems, and I'm waiting until further down the line to see what gaming will hold, such as killer instinct and such, and to know what exactly I'm letting myself in for. OK yes it makes a quicker upgrade experience but the trouble is, downloading something is just part of it, and shouldn't be done before the user wants is truly ready. I think this is ridiculous. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231867#p231867 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Right. Well, this isn't exactly data collection, but now it seems that you'll get the Windows 10 installer, whether you like it or not.And what do you know, my connections are metered. Thankfully, I'm on OS X here, in most places, and I'd notice something like that at home even if I weren't on 3G. But this is yet another dick move by MS.No. I do not want Windows 10. Do not bloody want! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231796#p231796 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Nocturnus: Completely valid point, once data is in the hands of corporations, then it's, in, their, hands. Not always a problem for data you explisitly give permision to share, but yes it is a problem for data that is shared without permission. As for "Hey Siri," that actually doesn't involve the internet at all. That's just the microphone on a constant probably low-power watch waiting for you to say hey Siri. You could turn your wifi and cell braudcasting off, and even remove your sim card, and sey Hey Siri with no problem and it could come up with the usual in that case, siri not available, connect to the internet. So Apple is most certainly not listening to what goes on while waiting for you to say hey siri. It is a convenience for the people who don't care that it kills the battery, which, for whatever reason other to have convenience, some people don't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231614#p231614 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Nocturnus: Completely valid point, once data is in the hands of corporations, then it's, in, their, hands. Not always a problem for data you explisitly give permision to share, but yes it is a problem for data that is shared without permission. As for "Hey Siri," that actually doesn't involve the internet at all. That's just the microphone on a constant probably low-power watch waiting for you to say hey Siri. You could turn your wifi and cell braudcasting off, and even remove your sim card, and sey Hey Siri with no problem and it could come up with the usual in that case, siri not available, connect to the internet. So Apple is most certainly not listening to what goes on while waiting for you to say hey siri. It is a convenience for the people who don't care that it kills the battery, which, for whatever reason other to have convenience, some people don't. Only reason I keep ok Google on when using my android phone is because it is genuine con venience, seeing as most android phones don't really have a home button you can hold down to envoke anything, ok Google works great in that senarrio. But on the iphone, I say unless you're in the car, or you are motion impaired, hey siri is not any better than simply holding the home button for a second. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231614#p231614 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Nocturnus: yep, that's perfectly reasonable. I have no idea what the root cause is either, but it almost seems certain to be about the majority, and then we get into the whole discussion about whether the majority is always right, which we probably shouldn't or this thread will go on forever. I certainly feel strong in my conviction that this state of affairs is grossly unfair for those people who do care, though. It's not appropriate for the "New normal" to exclude people with privacy concerns merely because others, without them, are inconvenienced by it. And then people, tempted to throw their arms wide and surrender, are all the happier to demonise those in the opposing camp, without regard for the principles that they hold, or a willingness to agree on a way favourable to both sides. Scary, and sad. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231576#p231576 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Sebby,Nor would I suggest that your concerns are illegitimate or simply a stretch of the mind, but I do believe that every system that is designed to bring about some form of good can be reverse assembled so as to easily do the opposite. Consider any and every advancement we have made in regards to trying to control devices with our minds so that people without arms and legs can enjoy the use of computers. The question I still have is, what if those devices eventually begin responding in the other direction? I don't care much for making conspiracy theories or adding to the mountain of fear that seems to circulate around communities concentrated on schemes and the like, so I simply do my best to understand a system for what it is and what it is not. Every system will have perks and faults; sad but true. Sometimes we just have to pick our poison, I guess. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231584#p231584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Sebby,I too can respect your position on this matter; my point is simply that we should look at the situation as a whole rather than blaming this or that company of being responsible. It's similar to how people who are against violent video games because they have the potential of polluting our children's minds with ideas and simply assuming or suggesting that all we need do is stamp out the problem by eradicating them, never fully willing to accept that we are the problem. It's kind of hard to destroy something humanity has given birth to, once it has spread to enough people and enough people have taken to the concept so mightily. For what it's worth, I don't like the idea that my data will float around for ever and a million years because corporations believe it should. It seems like I have no way of getting away from telemarketing firms who pay handsomely for my phone number and goodness only knows what other information.& nbsp; Even if I have my number blacklisted or put under some watchdog service, that doesn't stop the information from being passed around, bought, sold, etc. We take care of the symptom with full realization that the disease will persist. Where it begins and ends, I do not know, but I still feel we're collectively responsible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231392#p231392 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Hey Nocturnus. I certainly respect that POV and you're not the first person by any means to express it. However, as a technologist, I'm well aware how the Internet works. I am not the target demographic because I understand the concept of data locality. If I want data to be local, and if the laws of my country (an EU member state) think I should have control, then I should have control.JMO, but we have lost control. We have given people with power the ability to exploit that power to turn our technology against us. I for one am not going to put up with that. The only time I want to share data is when I explicitly give permission. I don't think that's too much to ask; vendors just have to default everything to off, and give people the chance to turn on. But of course that would be too inconvenient, and the masses have spoken and said, much as you have, that convenience wins, and so the fact that a device has an Internet connection is all it takes for your privacy to be violated, without consent, by default.So, for me, at least, the answer to Win10 is, "No". Just like my answer to Siri, incidentally, is now, "No". Soon I will set up my NAS as a contacts/calendar server for home contacts so I can say "No" to even more of Apple's services. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231383#p231383 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Firefox accessibility is the main reason I wouldn't consider Linux at the moment. It's still way too brittle and unpredictable.Windows 10 gathers a lot of information, though most of it is through the mandatory collection when the assistant is enabled (US only). This and most other privacy options can be switched off, except for diagnostics tracking and telemetry, which can only be disabled through Group Policy. Unacceptable, IMO. As noted above the situation is currently reversable on Win7/8/8.1. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231283#p231283 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment ok URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231289#p231289 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment All those things are not true. Microsoft is only scanning files you upload to one drive not on your computer I will will try and see if I can find the real article URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231280#p231280 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Looks like most if not all of it can still be disabled through task scheduler at least. Still, as you said, unacceptable and way too inconvenient. Also Win10 still has some new processes running that I can't find any way to disable short of actually deleting the files, and it just seems a bit slower than 8.1. So yeah, I'll be sticking with this for the foreseeable future. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231333#p231333 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Doom and gloom everywhere; honestly the amount of paranoia is somewhat, suffocating? I don't know how anxiety can fail to create more as its contemplated. I think post 24 is about the best post I've seen on this topic. Forget buying a new iOS device or even upgrading to iOS 9; that hey Siri thing is going to be on by default. Any ideas about how much Apple will be catching regarding your conversation while it waits for you to say those two magical words? Any idea if that functionality disappears simply because you turn the feature off? We've been under the assumption that companies are dedicated to us and our business, but the rules have changed with facebook and google doing a number of numbers on us and pulling fast ones with their policy changes and goodness only knows what other schemes that we just haven't managed to catch. Our info is not our info anymore. We shared it consentually without reading terms of s ervice with fine toothed combs time and time again with software and hardware developers alike around the world because the internet is just that much more convenient. Who has it? I don't know, and neither do you. Who can use it? I don't know, and neither does anyone else. The internet is much like outer space; it belongs to no one entity because it belongs to everyone, and as such, it's hard to regulate or create laws for or with or in regards to it and its uses and functionality with it developing so quickly and with so much else to tackle. I have no doubt, however, that we allowed all of this to happen by being who we are. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231349#p231349 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Doom and gloom everywhere; honestly the amount of paranoia is somewhat, suffocating? I don't know how anxiety can fail to create more as its contemplated. I think post 24 is about the best post I've seen on this topic. Forget buying a new iOS device or even upgrading to iOS 9; that hey SIRi thing is going to be on by default. Any ideas about how much Apple will be catching regarding your conversation while it waits for you to say those two magical words? Any idea if that functionality disappears simpy because you turn the feature off? We've been under the assumption that companies are dedicated to us and our business, but the rules have changed with facebook and google doing a number of numbers on us and pulling fast ones with their policy changes and goodness only knows what other schemes that we just haven't managed to catch. Our info is not our info anymore. We shared it consentually without reading terms of se rvice with fine toothed combs time and time again with software and hardware developers alike around the world because the internet is just that much more convenient. Who has it? I don't know, and neither do you. Who can use it? I don't know, and neither does anyone else. The internet is much like outer space; it belongs to no one entity because it belongs to everyone, and as such, it's hard to regulate or create laws for or with or in regards to it and its uses and functionality with it developing so quickly and with so much else to tackle. I have no doubt, however, that we allowed all of this to happen by being who we are. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=231349#p231349 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I like Arch, though Firefox accessibility is still not 100%. That being said, I was running Arch on my Macbook and had everything set up the way I liked it. Then I did a battery life test. Now I'm not running Arch. Think that says it all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230914#p230914 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Hi,I've used Linux exclusively for the past 6 months. I have Arch Linux on my laptop, and I even have my iMac dual-booted with Gentoo Linux.True, it can take some getting used to, but it's definitely doable.Accessibility may not be as good as on Windows or Mac OS, but it's far from terrible (in my opinion.)I'm really enjoying it, and I'm not planning on switching away from it any time soon, if ever. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230910#p230910 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Personally, I'm not too concerned about the data going out, since there are millions of computers running Windows and it's highly unlikely mine would be noteworthy enough to be read by an individual. The thing that gets me more than that is that my computer is *my* computer. I want it to do what I tell it, no more and no less, and that definitely does not include wasting CPU time and network bandwidth to upload this diagnostic data. My computer works for me, not Microsoft. I should not, as a consumer, have to assume that my OS is doing things with my computer's resources that do not benefit me or what I'm doing, but with Windows I do. Anyway, the good thing about these updates on earlier versions of Windows is that you can disable the diagnostics tracking service, and telemetry points in consent.exe don't really matter if you're not opted into the Customer Experience Improvement Program; practically every other component on the system has them anyway. I've disabled all services and tasks related to CEIP, so I guess I've done all I can. On Windows 10 it's just too much hastle to turn it all off. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230807#p230807 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment how can they improve cortana and other services without voice samples? If you're that concerned about privacy don't shop at stores, get rid of all your bank cards and credit cards. don't talk to anybody because they could hear your voice turn around and acuse you of something. or they could be recording you. Guess what, even if I use archLinux and when i go to firefox and go onto websites the websites can ask the browser what OS I am using. You want privacy? get rid of your computer don't use any technology. go to google and type in ubuntu security vulnerabilities and also archlinux security advisery. you can see from this page.https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Se … Advisoriesso you think linux is safe? nope its not. safer than windows yes. 100 percent safe? no. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230803#p230803 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Other than fixing my XP laptop or finding the installation disk (would a 32bit XP installer work on a 64bit machine?), how would one go about upgrading to XP? This sounds like less of a headache than trying to learn a new OS. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230567#p230567 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Crappy in deed. I may be forced to update to ten on my windows machine, but I think I will weight until the my access improve a bit better. The more I think about it, I am most likely going to weight until after october or something. Another thing I am weighting until a few hacks are in place for me to get it the way I want it. At least the mac doesn't seem to be pulling all the same crap as MS, but just weight... Come on MS, not seven and eight too... Why? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230585#p230585 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Yes with a catch or two. The 32 bit version of XP will not see over 4 gb of ram. It will most likely give you access to 2 or 3 gb of ram. If you have any more of ram in the machine than it can give you access to, it won't get used. Other then that, it should be ok. The only other problems that you might run into may be driver problems. I don't know what hardware in your computer just has windows seven or above drivers or has drivers for XP. Another thing to take in to account, I don't think XP support SSD drives. Has anyone tried unplugging their windows seven machines from the net to see how long the machines go without complaining with these updates? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230571#p230571 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I doubt you'll experience problems just being disconnected, you just won't send any data, perhaps until you come back online.I don't think using XP is viable anymore, simply because it's out of support and you aren't guaranteed that new hardware or software will ever work with it. Obviously there are those who will brave the waters anyway, either because they've taken precautions or because they just prefer to take the risks and stay put over upgrading. No, XP doesn't support SSD--at least, not natively. Neither does Vista. Be sure to use the WiPOS hack to get updates for XP if you use it full-time, and use alternatives to Microsoft programs. I just have it in a VM on a Mac and use it for games and other occasional Windows things. As my conversations with Dark on this issue at various times spell out, I think you are better off moving on, even though the choices are fairly crappy across the board at this point. Of course I am bound to sugg est Mac, which is where I am myself, though you could always look into Chrome or iOS too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230582#p230582 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Why? They've tasted data and they like it a lot. In somewhat related news, there's a new update to Fusion for Mac, version 8. One of the noticeable things for us is that PC speaker is now emulated for Mac too. And the virtual machine makes a beep when it powers up. If you want a virtual XP machine, you can really have one, beep and all, retro-style! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230598#p230598 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment I was listening to windows weekly and thought that everyone here might want to listen to show 429 rufly a little over 30 mins in. They also have the show notes up with the links in question. enjoy. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230619#p230619 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment hi Sebbythanks friend.yes I understand the dangers that some of these scripts may cause.for me the one who worries me would be that inability to install more updates.but I will stay with these scripts stored until one day... thank you friend.cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230559#p230559 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment What information do these updates collect? I'm just curious. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230439#p230439 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Unless you're on the public b3ta of mac or ios, all that is collected by Apple is diagnostic info. However, there is a clear way to disable that right from the start. In theory windows10 users can disable the spyware, but you have to click through about 13 security screens to do it, and even that doesn't truly remove the spyware. This spyware collects all info related to web searches, kortana requests (yes your voice will be uploaded and stored) and traces of your offline activity, including the files on your hard drive. Microsoft has truly lost all respect from me, that's for frickin sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230454#p230454 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Unless you're on the public b3ta of mac or ios, all that is collected by Apple is diagnostic info. However, there is a clear way to disable that right from the start. In theory windows10 users can disable the spyware, but you have to click through about 13 security screens to do it, and even that doesn't truly remove the spyware. This spyware collects all info related to web searches, kortana requests (yes your voice will be uploaded and stored) and traces of your offline activity, including the files on your hard drive. Microsoft has truly lost all respect from me, that's for frickin sure. Here I thought of giving Microsoft some of my good side seeing that they were taking a big leap in the right direction as far as accessibility of windows10, but for them to do this? Violate our right to privacy? ANd offline privacy? That's the last straw. Even if they remove it, say sorry just for show, and just move on, they ain't got no decency anymore. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230454#p230454 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment hi Rob.can you tell me if this is for the w10?what I realized is that this only serves to w7 and 8. can I install it in w10?thanks.cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230447#p230447 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Thanks for the info. I wonder how many this will drive away. I am guessing not many. The more I think about the more I wonder what other devices got the treetment. I remember seeing something somewhere at sometime about apple collecting surten data. Then there was the google cars that was driving around and collecting the wifi info for google maps or something. What I am saying is that it isn't just MS we have to worry about. We have to worry, to some degree, about all the devices that we use that are connected to the net. hey siri URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230448#p230448 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment FYI, Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems.Right now you can remove the updates and then hide them, assuming they are not depended upon by future updates and that they will not be unhidden at a later time (as has been observed to happen). They are all "Recommended" and not critical. It is also possible to block the named hosts at your firewall, though this may have consequences if you use other Microsoft services. However, if you were intending to avoid the spyware in Win10 by staying on 7 or 8, then now is a very good time indeed to rethink your OS choices. Microsoft has given up the privacy charade.Me? I despair. I don't really know what the answer is. True, I don't use Windows much, but I still need it sometimes. There's always that XP VM, I suppose. Or Vista ...And why? Why does an OS want to t alk to the network unless you explicitly ask it to?Oh well. Windows doesn't matter anyway. The more people drop it, the more alternatives gain relevance. So it's alright. You just keep it up, MS. I'm sure the apologists will be along shortly to defend this nonsense, but it doesn't matter as long as enough people get the hint, stop fighting it, and transition.Sad. I do have a bit of a soft spot for Windows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230356#p230356 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Thanks for sharing this article. It is deeply concerning what MS is doing these days, just when I thought they'd be heading in the right direction with their improved accessibility and friendlier customer support since 8.I don't think we can completely disable all the unseen things they have embedded, but this might help just a bit: https://github.com/WindowsLies/BlockWindowsRob URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230381#p230381 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Just wanted to say thanks for the update, My machine is removing the updates as I write this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230382#p230382 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Hi sebby and all.Well this is the problem.Potential privacy concerns have come up and ms is being monitered by several governments world wide.THe same stuff happened with google and facebook.And adjusting your privacy settings where possible is the key.That aside a sharade is in fact what it is.What is privacy.Sertainly privacy is keeping yourself private.If you have windows xp or earlier and never use the net then you are private.With all the clouds and the net as it is right now, privacy is some what muted at this point.By being online I am broadcasting my country and city generally, yess I can tell sites not to track me but I am still broadcasting that info.When I use gmail, I loose info, same with dropbox etc.WHen you search for something you loose the info you search for, someone loggs that windows asside.When you subscribe to anything or pay for something even with paypal, your info goes somewhere. Even your most personal info is probably stored on a cloud somewhere.A lot of your info is on public record.So your location, your full address in some cases, your email.You want updating tiles of info weather reports, location based gps, maps and other junk?You want one drive or access to cloud services.And you want all this for little cost.Guess what that doesn't come cheap.So you loose your info, you gain more than you loose and while yes the bad guys use the same ways its not like they wouldn't find you if they really wanted to.Ok with that said there are some things you can do.1. your default settings are not the best, they are just defaults.Both for you and security etc you really do need to change those you want to or need to change.Personalised info and adds, well having done marketing level2 in uni its all part of the business game.You actually want people to buy your stuff.In turn you want to keep your consumers coming for more of your stuff.I have several department stores which send me specials and other adds via mail.I have club cards with these.So yeah they have all my private data, I can still choose to accept the stuff I want.Sometimes I do if needed, sometimes I don't sometimes I just come in and look.Ok, with that out the way, there are 2 issues with the new approach.If a company does not manage security well or sells info or something bad then yeah its bad.Though I wouldn't worry about ms, google or facebook doing this any time soon.Since we are a big part of their business jepidising that business is a no brainer you don't do it.Stopping pirated software, was one thing people did wander about.And from being a pirate in the late 90s early 2000s I can safely say that with the amount of low cost to free software, from office to email clients while piracy still exists its not like the fight against the system back in the day.Music, well if you stay with the mainstream, don't buy the cheaper disks etc then well.Buying direct seems to be cheaper and this can go for books to, shop round.Back to software like windows though even your feadback and error reports send info.Even by sending this forum a post I am sending sertain info.By being online I am sending info and yes by my vary existance info from time to time is sent.Ok now if you stupidly post stupid things or become a terrorist, or pirate an large amount of something enough to piss someone off its not my problem really.Generally while many collect your info no one is interested brousing everything its not feesable anyway and why would you do it.What we should be concerned about is the spam, so called anti spy and other programs from this.I will now give you examples of a couple things to demonstrate my points.1. I think it was b ack in 2003 maybe 2006 I forget there was a news item on the google street view and google maps and gps showing people's houses explaining they could be easily robbed.There were concerns about privacy, yet we all use gps, and google maps on a daily basis.THe same with facebook youtube and google generally came up.And while there were issues to fix, security to update and settings on the user end to set, and in some case settings to impliment by those in charge it was fixed.Another thing happened in y2k.Yes the world will end bbecause of computers not recognising the date right.Loads of supposedly good programs came in to fix this some costing cash.In the end it turned out that manufacturers had been aware of this 4 years previous to y2k and had fixed the issue.For those that didn't some like toshiba previded drivers for their systems for that issue to be resolved.This is just another of these things.I know in 7 an d maybe 8 ms collect diagnostic info about your hardware, etc and makes sure stuff is working right.How to avoid privacy issues.You can avoid most of the issues in fact by not using your ms account all the time.However if you have a twitter, facebook and or a mobile device, apple, android and such you are allready in the cloud.You
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment
Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment From my point of view, MS is just trying to do some sort of experomentm since they have a ton of money. Here's thwe thing, they won't search your stuff if you don't give them a reason to. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230519#p230519 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment @Chris: it's anonymous usage and crash data, so-called "Telemetry". Obviously some people will have no problem with this, but it does include potentially sensitive information, and unless you feel a particular obligation to send it, you shouldn't have to. MS have since clarified that the "Customer Experience Improvement Program", which these updates largely affect, can be managed by the user, but unfortunately it does appear that Windows is still talking to the network even with these settings completely disabled. So, unless you want your box chattering away to the mothership, remove the updates. You can't just install everything any more.@mario: yes, that script runs under Win7, Win8/8.1, and Win10. Be careful with it.@CW and @Crashmaster: you're right, everybody is in this game to a certain extent, and I'm not suggesting you stop caring about the others or privacy as a whole. However, this move from MS is in my mind the most blatant demonstration that they are no longer in the business of just selling software products. Now they want your data too. They are the old Google. This is shocking betrayal, plain and simple. Windows 10 is free--you're the product. For Google and Facebook and to a lesser extent Twitter and other services, this was always true, so no surprises there. Do no evil, my arse. I don't trust Android with its deep ties to Google services, but Chrome is a much safer venue and has well-defined boundaries and policies. Apple are in the hardware business, so their agenda does not yet include data collection, although this will naturally occur if it happens to benefit their hardware business, for example iCloud and Siri being foisted on us. With Apple, so far anyway, it's largely straightforward to say "No". The Spotlight Suggestions issue is a fairly good illustration of this: on by default, but two checkboxes to turn off, and whatever is sent is whatever you ty ped and not collected behind your back. Likewise, anything you are doing that naturally requires you reveal some information, like browse the Internet, is only revealing as much information as is really required. The point is that you, not somebody else, should be the ultimate arbiter of what happens to your data. If you intentionally give away your data, for need or want, then that's fine. But if somebody else, say MS, does it, without giving you a choice, then that is not fine.The only true safe harbour, right now, is Linux! Such a shame Linux accessibility is so terrible for us. Ubuntu does a similar thing to Apple's Spotlight, but you can turn that off, but probably just don't use Ubuntu. I can't think of anyone else. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230546#p230546 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Wanderer, you can use eloquence with mac osx with voiceover. ANd I agree, window just blows even more with each update. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230535#p230535 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Does it collect on windows 10? if so. I will turn of this update immediately. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230526#p230526 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 7 and 8 Now Getting The Spyware Treatment Ah man, I've seriously just about had it with Windows, it just gets more and more ridiculous with each version. Think I'll be switching to OS X for most things for all the good that'll do, but I'm sure I'll always have a Windows VM because of Eloquence. Guess I'll stick with 8.1 on all my non-Apple devices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=230532#p230532 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
