Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;199441 Wrote: You can do it all in one shot with Dbpoweramp Flac to FLac and retain tags and use the DSP Plugins to make the change. I don't know how well it does compared to other tools though. But resampling from 44.1 to 48 is IMHO useless. Yes - but I have a TACT RCS... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
Also www.advancedmp3players.co.uk can get them in with a couple of days notice. -- davidcotton davidcotton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
As of a couple of days ago, www.mediahome.co.uk had a black TP in stock. Speak to Richard - he's been very helpful talking me through my purchase. And no, I have nothing to do with the company! -- Ray70 Ray70's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
JJZolx;199445 Wrote: I wonder if Linn Records is anything like the US's Mapleshade. Impeccably recorded 2nd and 3rd rate musicians. I certainly would not describe Claire Martin, Ian Shaw, Tommy Smith, Tim Garland, etc as 2nd and 3rd rate musicians. Perhaps, being British, they are not as well known internationally as some, but they are all Jazz musicians of the highest order. davep -- davep davep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
davep;199497 Wrote: I certainly would not describe Claire Martin, Ian Shaw, Tommy Smith, Tim Garland, etc as 2nd and 3rd rate musicians. Perhaps, being British, they are not as well known internationally as some, but they are all Jazz musicians of the highest order. davep Ditto the above -- valeite valeite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10755 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
JJZolx;199445 Wrote: They charge nearly double for 24bit encodings? What's the justification - the cost of bandwidth? Because it certainly doesn't cost them a penny more in additional labor. It does seem reasonable to do so to me - it is a superior product. We have long argued that iTunes should be way cheaper as it is 128k only - why not the converse, as here? BTW it seems that their £18 price covers double albums too - must buy their Messiah quick, in case it's a mistake! JJZolx;199445 Wrote: I wonder if Linn Records is anything like the US's Mapleshade. Impeccably recorded 2nd and 3rd rate musicians. Their classical musicians are good, but not the international big names. This often results in very good records, free of ego! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
At the risk of being a bit thick, the studio master FLACs say 24/88.2, not 24/96? Am I missing something? -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
Nope both awaiting stock. Transporters are going through a Logitech re-branding and transisioning phase so they will proudly announce their new corporate logo on switch on! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter reduction mechanisms in Transporter?
325xi;199347 Wrote: Sorry if this was discussed already, I did search, but found no clear answer... After Lavry DA10 got busted, I started to consider other options for my next DAC, and of course Transporter is on my list. I know its own internal jitter is very low, but what I want to know, specifically, is what jitter reduction mechanisms are employed in Transporter when it used as an outboard DAC? Has anyone looked into it? It does bounce around when fed by a transport . ( sorry, too much single malt last night) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Rangdo;199510 Wrote: At the risk of being a bit thick, the studio master FLACs say 24/88.2, not 24/96? Am I missing something? No - they vary. Some are 88.2, some 96. 88.2 generally would seems to make more sense for CD mastering, I would have thought. Is there an issue with 88.2 on the TP? I'll be trying these on my SB+, which should arrive tomorrow :) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
Well my soon-to-arrive SB+ is logo-free :) Are the nice backlit remotes Logitech-branded now? -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
Heuer;199513 Wrote: Nope both awaiting stock. Transporters are going through a Logitech re-branding and transisioning phase so they will proudly announce their new corporate logo on switch on! This really is a huge mistake, marketing-wise. The audiophile community just isn't going to believe that a box with a Logitech badge can possibly be high-end. Yes, it's irrational snobbery, but it's the way the marketplace works. I fear that the future is not at all bright for the Transporter, which is a crying shame, because it's a *stunning* piece of kit. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK
adamslim wrote: Well my soon-to-arrive SB+ is logo-free :) Not if you upgrade to the latest firmware it isn't. :) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199390 Wrote: However the world would not work if copyright lost meaning generally. I don't think there are many people who seriously think that should be the case (if it was, China would mass produce everything anyone else in the world invented, and pay them nothing for it, and the US economy would collapse overnight), and just because we like free music doesn't mean it should be an exception. China is already doing that: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=1678 no signs of collapse yet... As for completely eliminating copyright of all kinds, that's probably too radical, although the idea should not be discarded lightly. Thomas Jefferson advocated it, because he believed monopolies of any kind were dangerous. But eliminating music copyrights only would not have a drastic effect. The fact is we're getting close to that anyway, and new business opportunities are replacing the old. So far, the changes are positive - independent artists are flourishing, live music is booming (at least here in NYC), recorded music is far more accessible than it ever has been through services like Pandora and devices such as the SB - what exactly is the problem? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
let us know what its like - that's very interesting. did you buy the same recording in 16 bit and 24bit? that would be even better... maybe you could post some exxamples so we can all try out 24bit? -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] InguzEQ does not show up after install
I did a manual install of the EQ plugin per the instructions on Hugh's website. All the files are in the right place and I have .NET 2.0 installed and running, but the EQ plugin does not show up on my Slimserver Server Plugins settings. Does Inguz show up if Slimserver is not installed on the C: drive? My Slimserver is installed in F:\Slimserver. Shouldn't make a diff, all the other plugins I installed show up in the settings. Confused. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35001 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] InguzEQ does not show up after install
It should show up, regardless where SlimServer is installed. Are you running XP? If so, I'd recommend using the Windows installer instead of manually installing the pieces (it's much more convenient, since you then get a desktop shortcut that takes you all the right places. But right now some Vista users have a problem that prevents the installer working properly). -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35001 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
Maybe I should post this under 'kitchen sink,' but I have a shortcut to this, my favorite forum; I listen to quite a bit of classical keyboard music. I was listening to some harpsichord keyboard works last night and my SB3 was repeatedly getting 'low' buffer. Each track was about two minutes or less and about 5MB in size. Music with longer duration tracks work just fine. My SB3 gets 80-90% reception from my wireless G access point. Anyone else run into the problem of pieces of work that have many small tracks? Is there a way of configuring the SB3 to buffer up more than one track at a time? Am I just not buff enough? -- fezco fezco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
dbpoweramp can do it. How good it is I can't say. They seem to do everything I need extremely well. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
Phil Leigh;199592 Wrote: Kim - I'm keen to try this 48k into tact thing but I don't have Audition and my Cool Edit has disappeared (I hadn't used it in a long long time) - are there any other packages that can do a good job of 44.1-48...preferably ones that I can try before buy with full length files? There's a 30-day free trial of Audition at http://www.adobe.com/downloads/ Regarding other tools, you can see an interesting (or alarming) comparison at http://www.bias-inc.com/products/peakPro5/resampling/peakResamplingWhitePaper.pdf Regards, Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] InguzEQ does not show up after install
Using XP Pro SP2. I'll try the Installer. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35001 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
Are you getting audible dropouts in the sound? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
Nope... it just takes a while to load up between tracks it seems. -- fezco fezco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
I tried the very short 24/88.2 test sample on my SB3 (SS 6.5.1) and it plays veeerrryyy sssllww. Chris -- lostboy lostboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=125 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
I've seen this with all music, the display appears to show the buffer dropping to zero at the end of a track, then refilling as the next one plays. Seems unlikely this would be the actual behaviour as it negates the point of pre-fetching? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
What file format are these files? Where are they stored? Also, do you have multiple players synced? -- dean dean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Well, we seem to have chased our antagonist off temporarily. I wonder if we were able to argue persuasively enough to convince him to reconsider his position, or if he has just dismissed the lot of us as raving lunatics? I've often wondered about the effectiveness of 'internet-forum' debate has anybody ever made a study of this? I would think it would make a great post-grad thesis. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] raving lunatics
nicketynick wrote: I've often wondered about the effectiveness of 'internet-forum' debate has anybody ever made a study of this? I would think it would make a great post-grad thesis. One can argue, say whether Ford is better than Chevy, but it is really a question of belief, and you can't argue belief. You can debate, say, are American's safer today than on day X. But that is unlikely to convince many people. If you ask a question, say, are there good reasons for a consumer to like DRM? you can become educated. Whether that will convince you to one side or the other is not clear. You can even say imagine a perfect DRM, which could be used to deliver added features X, Y, and Z, would consumers accept that? and perhaps have a decent discussion. But if you say I have a perfect DRM, because it is easy, and ... and qualified folks point out the fundamental flaw in the premise, then the rest of the sentence is moot. In serious security discussions, you start with comparing the cost of attack to the value of what is protected. Banks seriously protect their transaction networks because serious money flows over them. Credit cars are protected somewhat, but not very well for many reasons, including the basic fact that most credit card fraud happens in stores and restaurants. And, far more importantly, the average credit card transaction is $50 or $100, so you can make an actuarial assessment of the 'value of what is protected' and act in proportion. While one can argue about a 'fair' price for a CD of music, it is hard to see it going outside a range of about $1 to $20 per CD. If the music is not very good, perhaps a buck is the right price. And $20 is an effective upper bound. So no sane person would apply the same security used to protect a bank wire network to a CD or DVD. And as others have said, in normal professional security discussions, you start with the assumption that the 'trusted' parties have the keys, and the 'bad guys' do not. The idea that the bad guys have the key and won't look at it is a fundamental of DRM for music and video. Most serious folks would say that is a fundamental flaw. But as long as the value being protected is low enough, even that weak security may be enough. Security by Obfuscation works against the trivial attack. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
nicketynick;199621 Wrote: I wonder if we were able to argue persuasively enough to convince him to reconsider his position, or if he has just dismissed the lot of us as raving lunatics? I think it can be assumed that he has pity for our feeble minds. willyhoops;199246 Wrote: it amazing how average humans understand almost nothing. .. we will laugh at the naïve old people who through drm was a bad idea and destroyed their music, tv, publishing and software industry for a while. ah plato was right when he said 'democracy leads to rule by the stupid'. ..honestly quite talented trolling -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
krochat;199420 Wrote: Yes, Cool Edit is as good as Audition as far as I know. I've used both with good results. It has little to do with your personal experience. Check this thread first: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32958 Or go directly to http://src.infinitewave.ca/, it's nice tool for SRC comparison. Converters using Secret Rabbit Code are... well... see yourself. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Pat Farrell;199623 Wrote: One can argue, say whether Ford is better than Chevy, but it is really a question of belief, and you can't argue belief. Silly me, I forgot we're on the Audiophile forum, where belief/faith/religion is at the centre of many of the discussions! (ie. ebony pucks, quantum filters, etc) I was thinking we were in a forum where rational discourse was the norm! Oh well... it was a fun diversion. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;199204 Wrote: There is a strong bias by audiophiles that Coax (RCA) is better than TosLink. I wouldn't avoid RCA 75ohm Coax just because there is a debate over BNC vs RCA connectors. My understanding is that RCA connectors are fine at the speeds and distances SPDIF runs. This is highly dependent on the cable used and the edge-rates. The slow edge-rates typical of consumer gear makes the connectors a dont-care. However, it also aggravates jitter at the same time. Slow edge-rates are necessary for most manufacturers in order to pass FCC emissions testing. The theory says that S/PDIF will be superior to Toslink, but this assumes a good implementation. -- audioengr audioengr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
I have a mod that will make jitter inaudible. It is called a Pace-Car. It is a block box that provides the master clock to the SB3 over a mini-coax cable. The internal clock is replaced with this clock. Then the data is clocked from the SB3 over the S/PDIF cable into a FIFO memory in the Pace-Car and then reclocked out using the master clock to an I2S bus. The master clock can be a Superclock4, Ultraclock or even a Studio clock if the frequency is correct. Why an I2S bus as an output? Because, there is little point in eliminating jitter just to add it back in by encoding and decoding S/PDIF. There are enough great DAC's with I2S input available anyway. Steve N. -- audioengr audioengr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
audioengr;199628 Wrote: Why an I2S bus as an output? Because, there is little point in eliminating jitter just to add it back in by encoding and decoding S/PDIF. There are enough great DAC's with I2S input available anyway. i2s eliminates one weakness of s/pdif, the biphase clock recovery, but that is not the only source of jitter. Unless you get the clock very close to the DAC, and without going through a cable and connectors, it is not going to be a huge overall improvement. Why don't you put the oscillator in the DAC, and use a word clock to sync the SB? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical music and the SB3 buffer
The files are WMA VBR98 and a few are lossless. It isn't a big deal. I'm just wondering if we can config the SB3 to spool up more than a couple of files. I'm not experiencing any dropouts. -- fezco fezco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35004 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter reduction mechanisms in Transporter?
Total silence on the subject, interesting... Is it a trade secret, or?.. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
seanadams;199637 Wrote: i2s eliminates one weakness of s/pdif, the biphase clock recovery, but that is not the only source of jitter. Unless you get the clock very close to the DAC, and without going through a cable and connectors, it is not going to be a huge overall improvement. Why don't you put the oscillator in the DAC, and use a word clock to sync the SB? I am doing this in the DAC I'm currently designing, the Formula One. You are correct, there are many sources of jitter. However, believe me, this is actually is a huge improvement in jitter reduction, even with the external I2S bus. My I2S bus has extremely low jitter and the number of buffers between the master clock and the D/A chip is minimized in my I2S DAC's. This is the way that the S/PDIF bus should have been designed in the first place, with the master clock at the D/A chip. Read this review of my external I2S bus driving a Benchmark DAC-1 with I2S interface: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/empirical/offramp.html Steve N. Empirical Audio -- audioengr audioengr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter reduction mechanisms in Transporter?
I just didn't see the thread. There is nothing really top secret about how we achieve low jitter, although measurements indicate that Transporter's implementation is far better than most. Typically an oscillator will measure 25-50 ps cyc-cyc RMS whereas ours is 11 ps. Then everything else in the clock path adds up until it gets to the DAC, where we measure at 17ps, while most devices are in the range of 75-200ps. - separate picogate oscillators - high quality crystals - no PLLs, uses fixed oscillator speeds - minimal logic between oscillators and DAC - low-noise power supplies for logic and oscillators - special layout techniques to control noise and keep ground and clock signal paths together - countless hours of testing and refinement using specialized equipment -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter reduction mechanisms in Transporter?
When used as an outboard DAC, you must use Transporter's word clock output capability if you want to get all the benefits of its internal clock. If the clock is recovered from S/PDIF, there is no added processing mechanism (such as ASRC) to reduce jitter, so you would be limited by the quality of the s/pdif signal. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34980 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter reduction mechanisms in Transporter?
seanadams wrote: I just didn't see the thread. There is nothing really top secret about how we achieve low jitter, You left out designed and engineered by smart, talented and good looking people. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
lostboy;199616 Wrote: I tried the very short 24/88.2 test sample on my SB3 (SS 6.5.1) and it plays veeerrryyy sssllww. Yeah that soprano has definitely had a sex change. Good job I decided to wait until I got home before getting the credit card out! Anyone know why? It is correctly flagged in SS as 88.2, and plays fine in foobar... Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Right then, what shenanigans! First of all the 24/88.2 files play slowly on the SB3, sent FLAC-FLAC. Sending via wav gets white noise. MP3 works, which hardly solves the problem. The files play fine on foobar; everything (inc DBPowerAmp) reports them as 24/88.2. Interestingly the test wma file seems to work when sent as FLAC to the SB3 and in foobar, although are reported as 16/44.1 in foobar, 22.7k in SS and 24/88.2 in DBPA. Foobar converts the FLAC file to 44.1 but seems to insist on reducing the bit depth to 16, whatever settings I enter. DBPA reckons it converts it fine, but converts a 9s sample into a 35s wall of noise. DBPA also converts it to wav, but we get 35s of very slow ghost noises. DBPA can however convert the 24/88.2 wma to 24/44.1 FLAC fine. Which all goes to show that I should have bought the wma not the FLAC. Still, the Messiah is downloading, so we'll see. Midnight now, so I shall investigate further in the morning! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe I'm fairly certain that no one has posted a setup quite like this yet. I live in a modern condo complex (i.e. paper-thin walls) and have to be quite sensitive to my neighbors as far as noise is concerned. Since I get up very early each weekeday to workout on my crosstrainer and always listen to rock music while doing so, I had to come up with a system that would satisfy me while preventing a mob scene at my front door at 5:30 am. I own a Precor EFX5.33 that I modified by making a shelf out of aluminum and spraying it with black textured paint. My black SB3 rests on top of it along with the remote, and I use a pair of Ultimate Ear Super.Fi 5 Pro IEMs. This way I have access to my entire FLAC library which resides on my Infrant NV. I will most likely replace the Super.Fis with a pair of custom IEMs in the near future. +---+ |Filename: Precor_SB3_front_sm.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2768| +---+ -- Jetlag Jetlag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1012 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
