Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Anne;204816 Wrote: I would think a flat targeted response is not going to be nice to listen to. When you make a targeted curve I would suggest a rise in the bass under for instance 100 hz. With a flat targeted curve you will hear no bass at all. I would concentrate on the suckouts and peaks first Your curves are very flat over 160 hz, a bit unsual, how did you do this ? Sorry Anne, I really don't understand that. With a flat response at your ears you will hear what the mastering engineer decided the music should sound like. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Tony, can you say a bit more about your room and speakers? -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I'd recommend trying a few different selections on the Flatness menu. With flatness=10, the EQ target curve is whatever was selected when the correction filters were built (generally flat-in-room, or near to it). With flatness=0, the EQ target curve is fairly close to the uncorrected room response. So try a value in the range 3 thru 7, see whether it sounds more lifelike. With some types of speakers and room setups, room correction is not an obvious improvement. I heard a pair of Zu Definitions before and after: the after sounded fairly lifeless in comparison. More accurate in some ways, but ess lively. Now I'd blame that the speakers, but of course the before sound is really quite musical in this case - even if it's far from flat. Phil re: flat response: the problem here is that the reverberation tail you hear from the room is usually tilted toward the higher frequencies. So optimizing for a flat direct (anechoic) response is ideal, but depending on the dispersion pattern of the loudspeakers and the amount of room reverb, this can sound awfully wrong. Hence the target curves such as BK, which roll off the top end of the direct sound a little. One way to get a properly accurate balance between direct and reverberant sound is to remove the reverberant sound: completely deaden the room, or to use highly directional loudspeakers (big horns, for example). Neither of these seemes to be a particularly popular option nowadays... -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vanished
In my experince the disapearing act have ALOT to do with the kvality of the source. The better the source the more 3d the sound will get and the transporter is one hell of a source and because its so akurat its also very musical. If the room is very bad roomcorrection is a indeed great tool and at first it can be very impressing. However I had lyngdorf tda2200 roomperfect amps and biamped cornerloaded subwoffers that ar designed for roomcorrection. In my room wich wich have not good acoustics getting a better amp greatly outpreformed roomperfect in all areas. Thats why i sold the tda2200 amps and got the tact millennium Roomcorrection makes the sound more hifi but less dynamic and musical this can for some be great but not for me funnyly i thorugt the music started to sound more borroring but i did hear more detajls wider soundstage more focus and so one for but for me the WOW factor fades over time . Unless ofcause you are strougeling with xtremly bad acoustc problems. Set up the speakers corrctly use time to experiment with location proved to still be the way to go in my system and room and if you have eq use that only to tame bass problems . regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Inguz - Hi! I actually use a TACT with a slightly rolled off top end response curve (-1dB @14kHz gentle slope). This is for the reason you state. However, my point was that I wouldn't want to go boosting the bass having gone to considerable trouble to get it flat in-room. Most systems without RC have a very strange (not flat at all) in-room response below 200Khz IMHO. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vanished
RC does NOT make my system less dynamic...quite the opposite in fact. It sounds limp and unappealing without it. I have a horrendous midrange suckout in my room so by allowing the TACT to reduce the bass and treble accordingly and then raising the overall level I get a pretty flat response. However, I do have to boost the overall level by about 3dB to overcome the insertion loss of the RC curve. Fortunately I have plenty of power in reserve. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SlimServer - SlimDevice File Compatibility
I have been trying to establish the reality of support for different implementations (not version) of the SlimServer and different SlimDevices (especially Transporter). Can anyone help? In the Thread on ASIO in Windows it is stated that the server streams a file not an audio stream. This is what I thought. However, in an earlier post I made about not being able to open WMA Lossless files on SB3 using Infrant implementation of server, I was told that the Infrant implementation did not support WMA Lossless. Those two statements seem contradictory to me. Since I can test that SB3 cannot play WMA Lossless files from an Infrant implementation I think that means that something more is being done by the server than just send files over TCP/IP. I would also like someone to confirm, based on real experience, whether Windows Vista or Infrant can serve up 24/96 WMA Lossless files to a Transporter without any transcoding. There seem to be many layers of interaction between files, server serving and transcoding that make all this very confusing to me. Thanks to anyone who can be definitive based on real-world experience not brochure statements. -- PNCD PNCD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10778 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35630 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Hugh, arent't you supposed on vacation? (g) My system is part well-known, part I picked it because it sounds right, even if JA and RH don't think so. I will repeat that I have quite a bit of exposure to live acoustic music; I know the sound of the PSO like the back of my hand, and before that the NYP before I moved out of New York. Not to mention over 20 years of live jazz performances whenever I could squeeze them in. Source is a BOLDER modified SB3 (digital only) feeding a highly modified EAD DSP-7000 Mk.III D/A. Preamp is Pass X1, amp is Van Alstine Ultra 550 (it used to be a FetValve). Speakers are Shahinian Diapasons. Probably no one on this board who's ever heard them besides me, but I've owned them for almost 18 years - and I still haven't found anything that sounds more like real music for anywhere near the price. Room is 14x26. The house is an open architecture design that has an open flow from one room to the next, so there's actually more volume than the room dimensions would suggest. Speakers are 3-1/2' from the rear wall and approx. 5' from the side walls (even though one might argue that there's not enough wall to constitute side walls). I had not yet to this point tried the Flatness setting. Will be sure to give it a try. Your point about flat response and higher frequencies is well taken; that's consistent with what I think I'm hearing. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Phil Leigh;204892 Wrote: Inguz - Hi! I actually use a TACT with a slightly rolled off top end response curve (-1dB @14kHz gentle slope). This is for the reason you state. However, my point was that I wouldn't want to go boosting the bass having gone to considerable trouble to get it flat in-room. Most systems without RC have a very strange (not flat at all) in-room response below 200Khz IMHO. Regards Phil Phil, I'm on board with that. And if you look at the red trace in my first post you'll see a low end response that's right in line with what you're saying. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Tony, your measured impulse response does look consistent with Stereophile's measurements (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/593shahinian/index3.html) which is a really good sign. Fascinating speakers... -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mark visits Bryston
thomsens;204836 Wrote: Bummer...my BP26-DA was being built while you were there. I could have had pictures of it actually being assembled! They did have cards which identified each unit - you can see one at the top (side) of the veteran as well as ones on most of the units on the break-in bench. Those cards probably identified the order and dealer, they probably don't know who the owner is yet. However Brian did show me a room full of drawers with index cards on them identifying each and every unit ever produced and its current owner. There would be a card reserved for you... -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vanished
The tact system is a great tool to compensate suckout as you describe. When i placed my speakers where the normaly would sound best and ran full roomperfect correction it would sound completly flat lifless and without eny dynamics at all it it sounded like it was broken. When i moved the speakers closer to the walls and ran roomperfect again the sound became much better. (This made me think twice about rc) However the most satisfiring sound i got was with the speakers without rc in the best location in the given room. But this is just my findings with roomperfect i do beleive in roomcorrection but as littel active roomcorrection as possible if you ask me. You can with carefull setup of the speakers gain HUGE improvments in sound much more then roomcorrection in my experince. The tact system is great because it can be used more passivly . the roomperfect system is automatic and that is its downfall. regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SlimServer - SlimDevice File Compatibility
PNCD;204894 Wrote: In the Thread on ASIO in Windows it is stated that the server streams a file not an audio stream. This is what I thought. However, in an earlier post I made about not being able to open WMA Lossless files on SB3 using Infrant implementation of server, I was told that the Infrant implementation did not support WMA Lossless. Those two statements seem contradictory to me. Since I can test that SB3 cannot play WMA Lossless files from an Infrant implementation I think that means that something more is being done by the server than just send files over TCP/IP. Those statements are not contradictory. Instead it has to do with the decoders in the SB/Transporter firmware. If the decoder is not located in the firmware, the software must transcode it to a format that the player can decode. There is no decoder in firmware for WMA Lossless (there is for WMA Lossy) so the WMA Lossless file must be transcoded at all times regardless of the server OS. I'm not sure about this, but I believe Microsoft never released a WMA Lossless codec, it's contained in WMP and nowhere else (this doesn't explain how you can play WMA in Linux, which is why I'm not sure about this statement.) It appears that Infrant has not built in the appropriate codecs into their SlimServer build so it can't transcode WMA Lossless at all. Two things: 1. There have been ongoing reports of poor performance with Infrant hardware. 2. Why is transcoding so bad? You lose FF/REW, but if you transcode to WAV or FLAC you don't get any sound quality compromises. Both WAV and FLAC support 24/96. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35630 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;204896 Wrote: Phil, I'm on board with that. And if you look at the red trace in my first post you'll see a low end response that's right in line with what you're saying. Gosh you're right - I hadn't really studied that trace...I reckon that trace is quite prototypical of what most (all?) non-RC systems sound/measure like in real rooms. The thing is, if you are using live music in a hall as a reference then you need to factor in the acoustics of that hall. It will NOT be flat!. So you may want to boost the bass (?) or whatever to get closer to that sound, but if you are listening to recordings made in that hall then you need to consider a couple of things: 1) the recording will probably have been eq'd in some way during mastering. This may or may not be quite minor... 2) the mics will not have been hearing exactly what you were hearing due to positioning etc I do not believe that you can accurately recreate the acoustic space of a large hall with any audio system. The simple physics is against you (wavelengths etc). A good approximation might be possible. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Phil Leigh;204927 Wrote: The thing is, if you are using live music in a hall as a reference then you need to factor in the acoustics of that hall. It will NOT be flat!. I agree Phil. I should probably have clarified my statement. My long term exposure to live music is something I use to judge the fundamental tonal balance and correctness of reproduced sound, and less so the sense of space. For example, with the normal_direct correction values I initially used, cellos suddenly sounded more like violas, and violas more like violins. Instruments that I have heard many many times just did not have the right tonal balance. Phil Leigh;204927 Wrote: I do not believe that you can accurately recreate the acoustic space of a large hall with any audio system. The simple physics is against you (wavelengths etc). A good approximation might be possible. Regards Phil No disagreement there! -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
inguz;204898 Wrote: Tony, your measured impulse response does look consistent with Stereophile's measurements (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/593shahinian/index3.html) which is a really good sign. Fascinating speakers... I won't get on my soapbox about Shahinian speakers versus most others. That would get us way OT. I tried using Room EQ Wizard to measure speaker response. REQW is pretty well regarded as another measurement tool that can be used to calculate filter correction values, albeit for external correction processors. I am attaching a comparison between its measured response (green trace) and the Impulse Response Measured taken from the Inguz / DRC method. A few observations: 1) The REQW trace, up to about 2.5KHz, seems to track the other one but for a couple of differences. The REQW trace seems to be timed differently; look at where the peaks and valleys are relative to the Inguz response. I wonder if this has anything to do with Inguz taking phase into account, which I don't think REQW does. The other difference is that of the obvious disparity in amplitude between the two traces. 2) After 2.5Khz is where there is a fundamental discrepancy between the two traces. At the extreme (near 20KHz) I attribute this to the difference in microphone calibration files used by REQW and DRC. The REQW curve is down 9dB at 20KHz, which seems unusual for a ECM8000 mic. But apart from that I can't explain the difference after 2.5KHz. +---+ |Filename: drc_plus_reqw1.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2875| +---+ -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
Hi! I am using Apple Lossless with iTunes and recently got a Squeezebox 3. My receiver is a fairly old Yamaha with only three digital audio inputs which I am already using. Anyway, I've heard the Brown-Burr DAC is supposed to be great, so am I losing much by just using the analog inputs or will I see a substantial improvement in quality by using the optical digital input? -- mpie mpie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11741 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
Its not the dac alone that decide sound quality, the analog stage after decides also, and this is more important. You must try both options and see what you like best. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
What have you to lose by trying the Yamaha dac and comparing it with the sb3's dac? I find the BM Dac1 a massive improvement over the built-in sb3 dac. -- KeithL KeithL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9272 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Let med just explain my opinion on this. I noticed a 60 hz suckout on the red curve on the first measurement, apart from this I thought the measurement was pretty good. Suckouts and peaks can be caused by different placement for right/left speaker and, more severe, room dependant acoutical interferrence. If you ever tried placing a set of speakers in a dead square room you know what I mean. I dont know much of measuring, and I could be very wrong here, but my thought is, if you measure a speaker outdoors you measure the speakers true response, without any room gain. If we take it inside you will get different measurements according to where it is placed in the room, you are measuring the room more than the speaker, exactly what room correction is all about. If I measure a dead flat response to 20 hz you wont hear any bass at all, my guess is you will be disappointed with the performance of your system. Our ears do not respond well to flat sound at all. A gently upwards slope from under 100 hz, app. 10-12 db up down to 20 hz will sound very good, at least to me. I will get back to you later, wife needs computer -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
Try it for a while and see! I have a Yamaha receiver (DSP-A1) and the difference between its DAC and the Squeezebox is huge. Switch to the SB3's analogue outputs and it's as though the band members all leave the stage and stand in a line just behind the speakers - the soundstage just collapses and becomes completely flat. Switch back to the A1's DAC and they're back in the room. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
AndyC_772;204973 Wrote: I have a Yamaha receiver (DSP-A1) and the difference between its DAC and the Squeezebox is huge. Switch to the SB3's analogue outputs and it's as though the band members all leave the stage and stand in a line just behind the speakers - the soundstage just collapses and becomes completely flat. Switch back to the A1's DAC and they're back in the room. Note, as Anne mentions, that this is not only due to DAC differences but also how receivers handle analog signals (often very poorly), see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT Download Center
Dvorak Symphony No. 9 I purchased all 4 movements and, after listening - deleted it from my library. Hmm...Hi-Def? . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35609 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Well after all of your wonderful advice I bought a NAD340C amp together with a set of BW 601 series 2 speakers to run my Squeezbox 3 through. The sound I am getting is such an improvement on any of the one box systems I have had in the past but I was wondering what you guys would recommend to take me up to the next level. So what do you reckon bi-wiring speakers, filling speaker stands with sand, buying a power amp or finally getting a better DAC (remembering I'm on a budget) which will give the most improvement? On the sound in side I have been upgrading all my files to 320mp3 so hopefully this will give me a better starting block. I look forward to hearing your advice -- Moko Moko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Moko;204993 Wrote: On the sound in side I have been upgrading all my files to 320mp3 so hopefully this will give me a better starting block. By re-ripping or by re-encoding existing MP3s? If you're re-encoding, you'll actually be losing sound quality. Is there a reason you're not going lossless? I know some people don't find any difference between 320 kbps and FLAC, and that's fine, but if you're going to the trouble of re-ripping...? -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
I've tried both and I can't tell the difference between 320 FLAC, too many years watching live bands play really loud! I am ripping from CD's using LAME encoder to get higher bitrates as previously they were ripped at 128 so hopefully 320 should be an improvement -- Moko Moko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT Download Center
I've just listened to the Beethoven 5 and it's a great performance and a stunning recording. Never noticed any hiss. If it sounds any better downsampling to 48k outside of the SB then, well, [excuse me] h. Scuse me, distracted, £8 is a bargain :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35609 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Get the Beresford dac, or maybe the Moodlab dac.. http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/953/v/1/sp/332755698116332616672 Dont even think about biwire etc...waste of time, and money. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Just a thought, if you are thinking of a better dac and power amps etc, improving your system further may mean a slight improvement from 320 to lossless may be heard in the future?? If your ripping again now, why not go for lossless just in case you hear a difference in the future -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
tyler_durden;205031 Wrote: http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html Cruel... Free though. At least he's not still saying to put a piece of paper in every book in your living room. That would take me a while... Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
The Beresford sounds interesting,any of you guys have real world experience using one? Loved the other tips, might have to buy some curtains just to see if pinning one back improves the sound! -- Moko Moko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Moko;204993 Wrote: So what do you reckon bi-wiring speakers, filling speaker stands with sand, buying a power amp or finally getting a better DAC (remembering I'm on a budget) which will give the most improvement? If your stands are sand-fillable, it's a very inexpensive tweak, so little reason not to. I would say as far as new/additional gear, adding a subwoofer would probably be the most bang for the buck. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
Coincidentally, at a Head-Fi mini-meet yesterday, I tested a SB3 analog out against my Lavry DA10 and an Ori modified Zhaolu 2.5 DACs (pumped into an Eddie Current ECSS headamp and Sennheiser HD600 headphones using lossless files). While the Lavry and Zhaolu beat it in all respects (most notably detail, resolution and placement), the SB3 was no slouch and although the test was brief (and I've been fooled before and it should be mention the SB3 PS was upgraded to linear), it didn't seem an impossible downgrade. To be frank, I suspect I'd be quite happy with the SB3 as a source. Even more so if bang for buck is at all a consideration. I'll likely be ordering a white SB3 before the sale is over, and be able to test further in the future with a better amp. -- blessingx blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
Moko;205035 Wrote: The Beresford sounds interesting,any of you guys have real world experience using one? Loved the other tips, might have to buy some curtains just to see if pinning one back improves the sound! Use the brilliant search function my friend and jump in the threads you find theremuch better. Besides, dont worry about the funny guys here, soon you will have a system where you will be able to hear the difference between whether you have silk paper or copy paper under your feet !! -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Olive Musica
larsth;86868 Wrote: I looked at the German version of Olive (http://www.hermstedt.de/english/hifidelio/hifidelio.html) before deciding on SB. The showstopper for me regarding the Olive/Hifidelio is that you do not have free access to the music/data on the device. If you rip music on it, you cannot copy that to your own hard disk (wihtout hacking the box)! You even have to buy a back-up hard disk from them - you cannot connect a standard USB disk. Does the remain the same today for these units (Musica/Symponhy?) -- Osamede Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21135 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT Download Center
haunyack;204992 Wrote: Dvorak Symphony No. 9 I purchased all 4 movements and, after listening - deleted it from my library. Hmm...Hi-Def? The hiss is distracting and intrusive. Harsh I know...sorry. . I've had a version of Dvorak's 9th in my library for many years by the Czech Philharmonic conducted by the late Vaclav Newmann. A good performance, and though the CD is from the early days of digital, it is much quieter. Maybe a bit raspier than one would have with today's technology, but still quite satisfying. I've also got a nice recording by the same orchestra and conductor of Ma Vlast. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35609 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Budget Sound System Improvement
JJZolx wrote: If your stands are sand-fillable, it's a very inexpensive tweak, so little reason not to. Of course, it will sound better if you fill them with lead shot and spike them into your floors. Sand is so mass market. Speaker placement, rugs, and furniture are the most cost effective changes. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDTT Download Center
adamslim;205024 Wrote: I've just listened to the Beethoven 5 and it's a great performance and a stunning recording. Never noticed any hiss. If it sounds any better downsampling to 48k outside of the SB then, well, [excuse me] h. Scuse me, distracted, £8 is a bargain :) I have the Beethoven 5th as well (HDTT) and as you say stunning recording If your tempted to purchase the Dvorak 9th (one of his best in my opinion) from HDTT - be prepared for the background noise. The hiss spoils the beautiful quiet passages of this remarkable composotion. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35609 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
