Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
If you have free space in garage or whatever, and don't care noise, then just any old computer will do. Mini mac is just particular version very similar to mini-itx, packaged and budled with MacOS. PS. mini mac isn't fanless. http://www.macintouch.com/macmini/review.html Wrote: At an ambient temperature around 70 degrees F., the Mini felt very cool to the touch, even while running processor-intensive tests. The computer draws air from the bottom and exhausts it out vents at the top of the back - we could feel a very slight, cool breeze there from its fan. -- _sandis_ _sandis_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
Any recommendations for a Balanced tube amp for under $2000? -- Hypnotoad Hypnotoad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
None of the two Denon receivers I had or my current Marantz receiver does - otherwise, what is the point of the .1 or LFE input? -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
The .1 is a bass channel, but it's not quite the same thing as a subwoofer channel. It's band limited but also has a 6dB gain difference from the main channels, so it can carry higher levels without saturating. The AV amp, however, doesn't just route this channel straight to the sub - instead it may mix in low frequencies from the main channels and/or route some frequencies from the .1 channel back into the main mix. For this it does need the A/D converter. For what it's worth, the DSP-A1 does have pre-out/power-in jumpers, maybe I should try these - though that would mean using the SB3's digital attenuation which means it's not really a fair comparison. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
At least on the receivers I've had, the LFE input of the 5.1 input section had already gone through the bass management of the external decoder - therefore the receiver did not apply any processing to it. In this respect it's not really only LFE, it's any downmixed bass from the other channels as well. The manual is very specific about these special inputs going directly to the speakers without any processing, as it assumes all processing was done in the external decoder. Certainly other receivers may be different, particularly advanced ones. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
AndyC_772;206677 Wrote: For what it's worth, the DSP-A1 does have pre-out/power-in jumpers, maybe I should try these - though that would mean using the SB3's digital attenuation which means it's not really a fair comparison. After using the digital volume control to find the level of attenuation needed, you could use four resistors and the DIY article + Spreadsheet calculator, found in the Connecting To Power Amp Wiki, to make it a fair comparison. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
AndyC_772;206677 Wrote: The .1 is a bass channel, but it's not quite the same thing as a subwoofer channel. It's band limited but also has a 6dB gain difference from the main channels, so it can carry higher levels without saturating. The AV amp, however, doesn't just route this channel straight to the sub - instead it may mix in low frequencies from the main channels and/or route some frequencies from the .1 channel back into the main mix. For this it does need the A/D converter. For what it's worth, the DSP-A1 does have pre-out/power-in jumpers, maybe I should try these - though that would mean using the SB3's digital attenuation which means it's not really a fair comparison. No, it would not use digital attenuation. That's the point of the experiment. Your just using the analog amp of the receiver. And the DAC/Anolog preamp of the SB3. Some receivers WILL process the 5.1/7.1 inputs some will not. Some will still apply room correction in digital domain and therefore do ADC. No receiver will do anything past the jumpers though (if you have them). That is a pure analog at that point. Even volume should be bypassed. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
AndyC_772;206720 Wrote: Skunk: not a bad idea, maybe I'll give that a go. mswlogo: I DO understand what the pre-power jumper is for and where it fits into the signal chain. Honest. I think you'll find, though, that the SB3's volume control works in the digital domain, attenuating the signal by varying amounts by multiplying the values fed to the DAC. This is certainly how I'd do it - it costs nothing and works perfectly well for 99% of users, but it does reduce the SNR at the SB3 analogue output. There are two volume controls on the SB3. One on the Digital Output and does digital attenuation and another on the Analog outputs. Both controled by the same IR codes. I assume when you configure the SB3 to analog outputs it locks the digital attentuator to Max. The analog output, I assume (and I could be incorrect) has an analog attenuator after the DAC. I'd be very surprised if it didn't and used just digital attentuation before the DAC. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Guys, please refrain from posts about body mutilation and suicide. Any more posts like that and this thread gets deleted. Thanks, Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
mvalera;206738 Wrote: Guys, please refrain from posts about body mutilation and suicide. Any more posts like that and this thread gets deleted. Thanks, Mike spoilsport :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
mswlogo;206724 Wrote: I assumed folks doing the Direct to Analog AMP knew what they were doing. Apparently not. I should have known based on past reading people do very silly things here in the name of audiophile. Sorry about that. They know what they're doing. The transporter has analog attenuation after the DAC, and recommendations for analog attenuation when using sb2/3 are given as well. Nobody here advocates volume control solely in the digital domain... -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
mvalera wrote: Guys, please refrain from posts about body mutilation and suicide. Any more posts like that and this thread gets deleted. Thank you. I was repulsed by how that thread degraded. Audiophiles are about love of music. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
nicketynick wrote: Pat Farrell;206764 Wrote: Thank you. I was repulsed by how that thread degraded. Audiophiles are about love of music. There's always somebody who brings up Wagner. threadkiller! :-) Of course the best Wagner Opera is Bugs Bunny's version What's Opera, Doc? Bugs is in drag as the Valkyrie Brunhilde who sits on an overwieght horse. She is pursued by Elmer playing the demigod Siegfried It is funny as a Bugs cartoon, but if you know about Opera, it is fabulous. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Pat Farrell;206764 Wrote: mvalera wrote: Guys, please refrain from posts about body mutilation and suicide. Any more posts like that and this thread gets deleted. Thank you. I was repulsed by how that thread degraded. Audiophiles are about love of music. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ There's always somebody who brings up Wagner. threadkiller! :-) -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
Okay, after researching this a bit, I think I will have to go with the Musical Fidelity X-DAC v8. It is more flexible over all, and should do okay with the SB3. It does have jitter reduction, which helps, and the tube output buffer option is just too sweet to pass up. I guess I will just have to use my PC for high res and hope the SB4 will pass the digital signal. The transporter looks to be a great component, but I hate to give u p flexibility and pay more money to do so. Size is also a factor. Anyway, I will post a review once the DAC is in and I have spent some time with it. Thanks for all of your input, it certainly clarified a lot for me. -- linuxtx linuxtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
If it was me I apologize. I'm usually one to take a joke a bit too far... Post deleted. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Pat Farrell;206776 Wrote: nicketynick wrote: Pat Farrell;206764 Wrote: Thank you. I was repulsed by how that thread degraded. Audiophiles are about love of music. There's always somebody who brings up Wagner. threadkiller! :-) Of course the best Wagner Opera is Bugs Bunny's version What's Opera, Doc? Bugs is in drag as the Valkyrie Brunhilde who sits on an overwieght horse. She is pursued by Elmer playing the demigod Siegfried It is funny as a Bugs cartoon, but if you know about Opera, it is fabulous. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Oh great - first he kills the thread with a Wagner reference, and now he brings up 'hunting wabbits'! This has gone too far. (or am I mixing up my operas? - is that the barbershop spoof?) -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
nicketynick wrote: Pat Farrell;206776 Wrote: Of course the best Wagner Opera is Bugs Bunny's version What's Opera, Doc? Bugs is in drag as the Valkyrie Brunhilde who sits on an overwieght horse. She is pursued by Elmer playing the demigod Siegfried It is funny as a Bugs cartoon, but if you know about Opera, it is Oh great - first he kills the thread with a Wagner reference, and now he brings up 'hunting wabbits'! This has gone too far. (or am I mixing up my operas? - is that the barbershop spoof?) Kill the Wabbit! Kill the Wabbit! Sung by elmer. I believe it is the only Bugs cartoon where Elmer beats Bugs. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Pat Farrell;206764 Wrote: Thank you. I was repulsed by how that thread degraded. Audiophiles are about love of music. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Like in music before sound? M, hm, didn't get that impression from any of audiophile forums I attend :) -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
mswlogo;206724 Wrote: There are two volume controls on the SB3. The analog output, I assume (and I could be incorrect) has an analog attenuator after the DAC. I'd be very surprised if it didn't and used just digital attentuation before the DAC. Actually there are two digital volume controls in the SB3. One is in the DAC chip itself and is controled by the Preamp gain setting. This has no effect on the S/PDIF output. The other is the main volume control which is implemented by firmware running on the SB processor. This may or may not effect the S/PDIF output. You can configure the player so the unattenuated data goes to the digital out and the attenuated signal goes to DAC chip. Replay gain uses the main volume control, but there is no indication that it is in effect. The replay gain modifies the user volume setting before its used to change the signal level. There was a subtle bug last year in the volume control implementation for some firmware versions. With one of these firmare versions there was degradation of the signal quality when the volume control was turned down below 40 (max volume was 40 in those days). After the fix to the firmware the sound degradation due to less than max volume is very slight. In some situations going direct to a power amp DOES sound better than using a preamp. It very much depends on the preamp, wiring, amp input impedance etc. There are a LOT of preamps that change the sound considerabbly more than the volume control on the SB3 does. You may like that change that the preamp brings, but then that is a personal choice. I personally have been going back and forth on this issue, currently I'm using a preamp of my own design and think I get better sound using it rather than the DAC out direct. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
I can understand that there is a PreAmp Analog Level to match your amp or Preamp in the SB2/3. But can this be controlled via the Remote Control? Or are folks using SlimServer or something to adjust it. If SB3/2 does have an analog preamp section then yes I agree the less Preamps the better and bypassing an Analog or Digital preamp may produce good results. But if your Amp input senistivity adjustments for those doing Direct to Amp then you are more or less connecting it to a Preamp. You ideally want one circuit capable of doing analog volume active between the DAC and the actual amp. JohnSwenson;206800 Wrote: Actually there are two digital volume controls in the SB3. One is in the DAC chip itself and is controled by the Preamp gain setting. This has no effect on the S/PDIF output. John S. This does not sound like a Digital Volume control, but digitally controlled analog output level. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
mswlogo;206803 Wrote: This does not sound like a Digital Volume control, but digitally controlled analog output level. They're both digital. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
seanadams;206806 Wrote: They're both digital. Why are TWO digital volumes needed? -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
I guess that it is about time that I posted an introduction. My name is Ralph which I supposed you have already guessed. 1. You post about your music experience, your audio experience, what drives you in this hobby, what brings you to Slim Devices, etc. I have been a music nutcase since I can remember. I have spent a lot of time in folk clubs, concert halls etc and play Guitar, Mandolin and Appelachian Dulcimer, all very badly. I have ripped about 600 CD's to my PC and I am very slowly working my way through 200 vinyl albums. I have been pretty into HiFi for years. What brought me to Slimdevices is a little stranger. I am a Brit living in the US and I still wanted to get radio from the UK and other places. The internet and later a squeezebox turned out to be the route I chose. I then discovered the benefits of storing my music on a hard disc. Have not looked back since. In fact I am constantly suprprised at what I can do these days. Tonight I am in a hotel in Mexico City streaming from my music collection in South Carolina. 2. You post about your current, past, and future (hopefully!) rigs. Discuss your room, speaker placement, cables, whatever. As a student (early 80's) I had lots of secondhand gear. When I got a job and had a few more pennies I wanted to get a better system and took the opportunity of buying a whole system that a workmate was selling as he upgraded to a Linn/Naim system. It was my first proper system. The turntable I cannot remember the name but it had an SME arm, the amp was a Cambridge A60 and I think the speakers were BW DRM4's. After that my system went through a lot of changes as I tried different makes like Tannoy, Tresham (anyone remember?), Audiolab. Todays system has a Transporter which I prefer to play balanced to a Brystom ST4. The speakers are Magneplanar MG1.6's, yes I am mosty definitely a Magneplanar type of person. I still have an Adcom CD player and a Thorens TD321 turntable. When I bought the Transporter I moved the SB3 to my garden system. That means that I can sit by my Koi pond and listen to whatever I want. 3. Say something about your audio philosophy. For example, do you believe in blind testing or not? Why? Audio philosophy. Listen to more music, all types. In truth I think that blind testing is just too contrived. Listening to music is an emotional experience and you have to give it time to come to conclusions. 4. Say something about what brings you to the forum and what you hope to get out of it. I first started coming to this forum just to learn about the device and the software and I am grateful for all the help others have been to me. Nowadays I visit the site most days just to see what is going on. -- RalphO RalphO Transporter/Audio Research SP9/Bryston ST4/Magneplanar MG1.6QR RalphO's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
What does needed mean? You can make music with two coconuts, or one coconut and your head. My understanding was that the preamp volume setting is a convenience for those that want to set the maximum volume level attainable with the remote or standard volume control lower than the maximum possible. You might want to do that to prevent someone from accidentally turning the volume up too high, for example. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
1 - Music Experience: I don't play an instrument or can sing a tune. 1 - Audio Experience: I#8217;m not recording engineer. 1 #8211; Hobby Drive: Laziness (tired of flipping CD's w.r.t SqueezeBox). Home Theater/Enjoy Music (General Music system). 1 - Slim Devices: Heard about it on http://meridianunplugged.com, figured if it was good enough for those guys it is good enough for me. I#8217;m also interested in Sonos because of user friendliness (Wife won#8217;t touch squeezebox). 2 #8211; Past: Lexicon, Krell, BW Nautilus, Matrix (I liked Matrix Better, hard for me to admit that, but true) 2 #8211; Current: All Meridian, 861V4, DSP-5500 Left, Right, Center, DSP-33 rears running #8220;Trifield#8221; 2 #8211; Future: Maybe add HDMI Card to 861 for SACD from PS3. Maybe check out Sonos. 2 - Cables: All stock Meridian Digital Cables. Cables don#8217;t matter in this setup. Really they don#8217;t. 2 #8211; Room: Untreated living room. 2 #8211; Placement: 3 in front and 2 at sides. 3 #8211; Philosophy: Blind testing, absolutely. Your head can play more tricks on you than you might ever believe. I also believe in instantaneous A/B testing (not just blind testing). If it takes more the 3 seconds to switch, the comparison is a waste of time (not always easy to do). This is critical for subtle differences (which most differences are). Testing in the store is completely useless as well (in home, in your room only, is all that matters). 4 #8211; Brings me here: Ripping tips, real upgrades that actually help, have not read a one yet that convinced me. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
What does needed mean? You can make music with two coconuts, or one coconut and your head. Dude, that is funny. -- jdbaker SB3/Parasound C2/A51/PSB CHS60's/CHS40/Triad Gold Dipole Inwall Surrounds/Triad Inwall Silver Sub. SB3/Arcam FMJ A32/Monitor Audio Silver S6 jdbaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
opaqueice;206838 Wrote: What does needed mean? You can make music with two coconuts, or one coconut and your head. My understanding was that the preamp volume setting is a convenience for those that want to set the maximum volume level attainable with the remote or standard volume control lower than the maximum possible. You might want to do that to prevent someone from accidentally turning the volume up too high, for example. If you have one digital attentuator what does a 2nd add. Why can't the one feed the DAC and the SPDIF? What you seem to be talking about is attenuation limits rather than an attenuator. Your talking about how big a coconut can or needs to be, I'm talking about how many. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
mswlogo;206845 Wrote: If you have one digital attentuator what does a 2nd add. Why can't the one feed the DAC and the SPDIF? What you seem to be talking about is attenuation limits rather than an attenuator. Your talking about how big a coconut can or needs to be, I'm talking about how many. Since the purpose of the preamp setting is to apply a fixed amount of attenuation only at the DAC (and not the s/pdif), it is better to use the (free) hardware attenuator in the DAC than to spend CPU cycles doing an additional one in software. If it were supposed to apply to both outputs, then yes we would just use the one attenuator in software - in that case we would just apply a scaling factor to the existing volume control. Another reason for doing it in the DAC is that it made it easy to add the feature without increasing code complexity. BTW, I personally don't like the preamp setting but I added it because so many people wanted it. So I agree it's a bit odd and I'm not trying to defend it, just explaining how it works. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
