Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
I have one of AP's modded Transporter units. I had a stock unit that I purchased previously. I thought the stock Transporter sounded great until I got the modded unit and did the A/B modded unit had better/tighter bass, better dynamics, soundstage separation. I can tell you it has preregulation of the power supply at the digital end, upgraded capacitors throughout, upgraded opamps to BB OPA627, damping applied internally, upgraded connectors. You can speculate and doubt whether there would be a difference or not or do a direct comparison. I liked Anthony's unit and bought it. The guy knows what he is doing. Just a happy customer of both Slim Devices and AP. -- Cliff Cliff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12087 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
tyler_durden;210301 Wrote: Perhaps this can be considered evidence of the relative importance of the power supply in the overall sound of the equipment. If the designers think an off-the-shelf supply is adequate, maybe, just maybe, it is. TD If cheap off-the-shelf SMPS supplies are so adequate, why did Sean go through all the trouble and expense of designing a linear PSU for the Transporter? Maybe, just maybe, some people think adequate just isn't good enough. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
I bought a Musical Fidelity XDACv3 external DAC to go with my SB3 and it is supposed to support 24bit/192khz...not sure what that ultimately means though. Is there a difference between supporting 192 sample rates and 192 upsampling? Peraps the Musical Fidelity supports the latter. /Nick DCtoDaylight;209895 Wrote: You're correct on both counts SuperQ, The Transporter does not support 192K sample rates, and does not up sample. FWIW, I'm not aware of any external DAC that supports 192K sample rates over SPDIF. There may be some out there, but the spec doesn't allow for it. There are some nearer versions of the HDMI spec that allow for sample rates that high, but that sort of bandwidth wasn't even dreamed of when the SPDIF spec was created. Cheers, Dave -- ntang ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrading the Power Supply
darrenyeats;210267 Wrote: Phil, I smiled when I read your message, especially the vinyl comment. No offence taken. It is difficult to tell what is better sometimes. I think it can depend on the rest of your system. In a nutshell, the SB3 sounds a tad more shouty and the Monarchy sounds a bit more dynamic. By dynamic I don't mean louder, in fact if anything it sounds subjectively quieter. The details are all there but presented at tad more subtly. Another way of expressing it is that the Monarchy sounds a bit darker, more laid back, but with all the detail. For me, that is more relaxing to listen to and sounds a bit more real. It could be that what I'm hearing is different frequency response, which reacts with the rest of my rig in a certain way. But I don't think so, I perceive that this quietness thing is about dynamics not tone. BTW, as you would expect, either transport measures the same loudness on a sound meter with a test tone. The differences are small but I am an obsessive like many others on this forum - so small things are a big deal. Darren Darren - glad you appreciated the gentle humour! So, this shouty business...sounds like jitter in/affecting the DAC to me. I'm personally of the opinion that the transport can't actually change things like dynamics, distortion, frequency response, l/r image resolution - only the DAC can do that since prior to the DAC it's just accurate (and accurately timed) bits and they don't have those concepts. However, it is possible that different transports can cause the same DAC to behave differently because of noise on the mains and spdif which impair the DAC's analogue capabilities...and of course our old friend jitter. Can you try a TOSLINK connection? I'd be interested if that changed things for you. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
The thing I don't understand/accept is simply this: If I can't hear any difference regardless of whether my TACT is actually physically connected between my SB DAC or not...how can a better power supply make the TACT sound better than not being there at all? - I mean, when the TACT is in the loop it is still upsampling to 96kHz and then going back to 44.1 on output (that is the way I have mine set up anyway) even when in bypass mode. The SPDIF stream from the SB is obviously not being mangled in a way that affects audio quality by the TACT processing, PSU and extra digital cabling. I may not be expressing this very well - I could understand the argument if I could hear insertion loss (of any sort) with the TACT in...but I can't! Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
Phil Leigh;210347 Wrote: The thing I don't understand/accept is simply this: If I can't hear any difference regardless of whether my TACT is actually physically connected between my SB DAC or not...how can a better power supply make the TACT sound better than not being there at all? - I mean, when the TACT is in the loop it is still upsampling to 96kHz and then going back to 44.1 on output (that is the way I have mine set up anyway) even when in bypass mode. The SPDIF stream from the SB is obviously not being mangled in a way that affects audio quality by the TACT processing, PSU and extra digital cabling. I may not be expressing this very well - I could understand the argument if I could hear insertion loss (of any sort) with the TACT in...but I can't! Phil If you have it upsampling to 96, then it may theoretically be better to have it output 48, as your DAC should handle this just fine. Have you tried this? (Oh and I agree with your logic on the PSU impact on the Tact, btw. Doubtless some would argue that there is some deficiency somewhere that is clouding the difference, but if you can't hear it, who cares?) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
The x-Dac v3 upsamples internally to 24/192 - it can only accept 24/108 in as with (any?) SPDIF based dac. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Disable wireless on Transporter
nuhi;210231 Wrote: I would bet that I heard the click when switching wired/wireless, not just on turning on, please confirm. I agree. My Transporter doesn't click when it's powered up or down. The only time I've ever heard the relay click is when switching between wired and wireless networking. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36289 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
oic...so the Transporter accepts 24/96 only and does no upsampling whatsoever...right? So technically, the xDac is a better spec'ed DAC? Pardon me if that makes no sense...am trying to make sense of all the various specs coming from multiple sources! Phil Leigh;210349 Wrote: The x-Dac v3 upsamples internally to 24/192 - it can only accept 24/108 in as with (any?) SPDIF based dac. -- ntang ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
The Transporter accepts 96khz and digitally outputs 96khz. The SB3 accepts 96khz and outputs 48khz. Neither device upsamples. My external DAC (AudioSynthesis DAX Discrete http://www.audiosynthesis.co.uk/dax_discrete.htm ) displays the input sample rate so I can compare the file statistics with the actual input signal. The DAX then upsamples the received signal (44.1, 48, 96 etc) to 706khz! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
Cliff;210323 Wrote: I have one of AP's modded Transporter units. I had a stock unit that I purchased previously. I thought the stock Transporter sounded great until I got the modded unit and did the A/B modded unit had better/tighter bass, better dynamics, soundstage separation. I can tell you it has preregulation of the power supply at the digital end, upgraded capacitors throughout, upgraded opamps to BB OPA627, damping applied internally, upgraded connectors. You can speculate and doubt whether there would be a difference or not or do a direct comparison. I liked Anthony's unit and bought it. The guy knows what he is doing. Just a happy customer of both Slim Devices and AP. How did you A/B it, you had two !! To me, A/B means I push a button to compare instantly. If you mean you sent it in, waited a week or two and then plugged in and said WOW then that really means nothing (to me anyway). The brain just doesn't remember that well. Look at it this way. Doesn't the same song sound great one day and just ok another. Maybe you didn't sleep as well one day or another. Or maybe you didn't have your coffee that day. How music impresses someone CONSTANTLY changes. So there is no way you can compare something a week a part. Sometimes it's not even a particular song, some days music just does click as well on one day as another. It's this variability that snake oil sale folks try to take advantage of. And this doesn't even touch the whole aspect of the power of suggestion. Unless you can critically blind test it, go back and forth then it's just not a valid test. Check out this radio show that covers the Placebo effect. It shows how powerful the power of suggestion is. http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2007/05/18 -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
Actually the AK4396 DAC contains an 8x interpolating filter anyway, so 96kHz data is upsampled to 768kHz before being fed to the delta-sigma modulator. The fact that it's being done within the DAC chip rather than by a separate component in the Transporter really doesn't make any difference. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
jhm731;210337 Wrote: If cheap off-the-shelf SMPS supplies are so adequate, why did Sean go through all the trouble and expense of designing a linear PSU for the Transporter? Maybe, just maybe, some people think adequate just isn't good enough. Because he looked at and redesigned the WHOLE power distribution. Similar to a computer nobody put in faster CPU's to make there computer faster. You need a faster buss, faster drives, faster memory. The system needs to be scaled to the new speeds or the uadio case tolerances. Why put a better supply if the first regulator will bring it back down to the same level of tolerance. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
Yeah, I didn't have someone blindfold me and have both units connected at the same time with a switch ready to go... But I had my stock unit which I owned for several months when I heard about AP's mods. I believe he sent me a modded Transporter which he had sent out to some shows to demo. Anyways I listened to the modded unit, listened to my stock unit, made up my mind, and sent back my stock unit to Anthony with some price difference for the upgrades. If I didn't like the modded unit I would have just sent it back with no cost. There's no good way to A/B sound and music and the best ears can maybe discern barely 50% in reported previous blind tests. But whether there's some placebo effect or not it doesn't matter if my ears are happy every time I sit down in front of my rig and my wallet is not complaining. BTW, for the work put into the unit, I think it was quite reasonable. I know the Slim Devices CEO has berated modded units and I respect the RD that went into the Squeezebox and Transporter. Both are awesome devices in and of themselves. I do think someone that knows what they are doing can get more performance out of them, but to mass produce units like these with higher grade opamps, etc. etc. would bring costs up to probably at least 2x what they are selling for -- Cliff Cliff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12087 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
Cliff, Were you using balanced or RCA cables. Is your amp balanced? In my system , the TP sounds significantly different with balanced outs. Also , I would like to say I don't think my experience in any way invalidates the differences you or anyone else might hear. It is just one data point. I do think it is important to level match when comparing since a volume difference can be perceived as a qualitative difference. In the final analysis: All that realy mattters is if you think it was money well spent :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
great point mswlogo. I had the modded tp 2 weeks and did numerous, blind , level matched testing with some very experienced listeners(audio dealer, recording engineer and several pro musicians who are also audiophiles. We just couldn't hear a difference blind or sighted. There was no dif in bass articulation, soundstaging, imaging, dynamics etc. The last few days I spent with the mod I tried my best to identify a difference. Anytime I thought I might hear a very subtle difference (not better, just different) I would inevitably find that my gueses as to which was which were just that: gueses. I was wrong more times than I was right. I left it with the conclusion that the stock TP, balanced outs is so good that it would be hard to significantly improve it's performance. This is nothing against modders, rather it is a compliment to the tp design. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
adamslim;210353 Wrote: If you have it upsampling to 96, then it may theoretically be better to have it output 48, as your DAC should handle this just fine. Have you tried this? (Oh and I agree with your logic on the PSU impact on the Tact, btw. Doubtless some would argue that there is some deficiency somewhere that is clouding the difference, but if you can't hear it, who cares?) Adam I would do, Adam, but my Altmann UPCI is hard-wired at 44.1 - so I'd have to stop using it and I am rather attached to it. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
tomjtx;210398 Wrote: In my system , the TP sounds significantly different with balanced outs. It does on mine too far too quiet. Otherwise no difference. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
Cliff;210396 Wrote: Yeah, I didn't have someone blindfold me and have both units connected at the same time with a switch ready to go... But I had my stock unit which I owned for several months when I heard about AP's mods. I believe he sent me a modded Transporter which he had sent out to some shows to demo. Anyways I listened to the modded unit, listened to my stock unit, made up my mind, and sent back my stock unit to Anthony with some price difference for the upgrades. If I didn't like the modded unit I would have just sent it back with no cost. There's no good way to A/B sound and music and the best ears can maybe discern barely 50% in reported previous blind tests. But whether there's some placebo effect or not it doesn't matter if my ears are happy every time I sit down in front of my rig and my wallet is not complaining. BTW, for the work put into the unit, I think it was quite reasonable. I know the Slim Devices CEO has berated modded units and I respect the RD that went into the Squeezebox and Transporter. Both are awesome devices in and of themselves. I do think someone that knows what they are doing can get more performance out of them, but to mass produce units like these with higher grade opamps, etc. etc. would bring costs up to probably at least 2x what they are selling for I'm glad to hear you did a side by side test. I certainly value anyones opinion as long as they make an effort to do somewhat of a valid test. Step one is to do side by side A/B test. Step 2 is to blind side by side test which is not always easy to do. I have done what Tom describes above too many times to count. Got this great nice new component, plug it in and go Oh my god this is great. Then it turns into, oh shoot. Now that I matched levels and go back forth one minute I think I hear a difference and next minute I don't. It was on old favorite test album I had not listened to in 6 months (what ever, it had no immediate reference). It was that hyped up adrenalin on the first listen that made it sound great. Completely in my head. Its very hard to forget that first impression too and if you know which system youre on youll be biased forever. Cant tell you how many times this has happened. And how disappointed I was when I more carefully tested things. Its hard, very hard. Sometimes its easier to assume the more expensive setup is better because it should be. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
mswlogo;210426 Wrote: I'm glad to hear you did a side by side test. I certainly value anyones opinion as long as they make an effort to do somewhat of a valid test. Step one is to do side by side A/B test. Step 2 is to blind side by side test which is not always easy to do. I have done what Tom describes above too many times to count. Got this great nice new component, plug it in and go Oh my god this is great. Then it turns into, oh shoot. Now that I matched levels and go back forth one minute I think I hear a difference and next minute I don't. It was on old favorite test album I had not listened to in 6 months (what ever, it had no immediate reference). It was that hyped up adrenalin on the first listen that made it sound great. Completely in my head. Its very hard to forget that first impression too and if you know which system youre on youll be biased forever. Cant tell you how many times this has happened. And how disappointed I was when I more carefully tested things. Its hard, very hard. Sometimes its easier to assume the more expensive setup is better because it should be. Have you tried marijuana? There's field of it growing wild outside my house and after a small forage my friends all think my Dansette is the coolest sounding thing they've ever heard. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Has anyone heard the Jamo i300w 2.1 system?
Hi all The title pretty much sums it up but I was wondering how the Jamos compare with the Aegos and other powered systems people seem to like. Thanks in advance.. -- James_B James_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11309 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2
We're going to pick up this little comparison this evening. This time using Geof's system. More specs on that later (as I'm not exactly sure what he has set up). We'll be running Ron F's suggestions for testing the sound floor and Geof's SlimServer selections of choice. (If we get really silly we may even listen to the same music through both DAC's as the Awe-Inspiring JJZolx suggested.) Feel free to chime in with anything you'd like to hear a report on. -- kphinney SB3 CIAudio DVA-2 JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's BW 602 S2's PowerMac Zhaolu D2.5 AKG K501 kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36172 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Favorite 6922 tube?
Thank you for your suggestions. I decided to try out some ElectroHarmonix 6922 tubes along with a pair of Amperox orange globe 6922's that I was able to purchase from Brent for 65/pair. I've heard those Siemens CCAs (60's) and my oh my, they sounded so sweet. Currently on the lookout for a used pair on eBay. -- 9dk 9dk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36303 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
mswlogo;210290 Wrote: If you do some searches, Sean (one of (or the, not sure) squeezebox designers) says it's silly. It immediately hits two LINEAR regulators that dominate the quality of the voltage distributed internally. If your gonna bother you need to tap in after the regulators. Sorry, but I'd trust Bob at Meridian or Sean at SlimDevices before I'd ever trust AP. mswlogo, Quite a few Merdian dealers purchase replacement Base power supplies from me. They purchase these units to replace failed stock units. What thier customers benefit from, is a high quality unit that lasts much longer, and cost half the price. No need to bash me or my work, or the people who enjoy my work. It would be the same If I question your reasoning why you choose the gear you use. I would never do that to anybody, BUT I may sugest something to TRY. I just dont get it.. There are many threads going on, that I have no intrest in, or just may disagree in a belief... should I enter that thread to disrupt it? AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
mswlogo;210257 Wrote: A good question to ask yourself, would be: Does the designer look at the WHOLE power solution? The power solution is staged and a good design takes the initial stage into consideration. If you bought a Porche would you pull the motor and put in a ferrari engine? Just because on paper it's a better engine. Of course not. The whole car is designed with the stock engine in mind (it's weight, it's power, it's torque curve). Unless you truly understand the design and where critical voltages really matter (and are probably reregulated where they need to be) you're just shooting in the dark throwing Better Power supplies at it. The power supply is just a starting piont. Key is to creat a synergy within the component. Similiar to the way I would build a High performance motor. -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
mswlogo;210385 Wrote: How did you A/B it, you had two !! To me, A/B means I push a button to compare instantly. If you mean you sent it in, waited a week or two and then plugged in and said WOW then that really means nothing (to me anyway). The brain just doesn't remember that well. Look at it this way. Doesn't the same song sound great one day and just ok another. Maybe you didn't sleep as well one day or another. Or maybe you didn't have your coffee that day. How music impresses someone CONSTANTLY changes. So there is no way you can compare something a week a part. Sometimes it's not even a particular song, some days music just doesn't click as well on one day as another. If it didn't change so much I'd just buy one album and enjoy it over and over. You brain is adpating changing every time you listen to it. Also it's a little like sex. The longer you wait the better it is :). It's this variability that snake oil sale folks try to take advantage of. And this doesn't even touch the whole aspect of the power of suggestion. Unless you can critically blind test it, go back and forth then it's just not a valid test. Check out this radio show that covers the Placebo effect. It shows how powerful the power of suggestion is. http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2007/05/18 A good question to you would be: Why did you choose the gear you use? AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
tyler_durden;210301 Wrote: Perhaps this can be considered evidence of the relative importance of the power supply in the overall sound of the equipment. If the designers think an off-the-shelf supply is adequate, maybe, just maybe, it is. TD Maybe. BUT, I am SURE, YOU can make it better. AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bit Rates and Sample Rates
Maybe be an existing answer somewhere which I cannot find. Following problem. CDs are 16bit 44.1KHz. The SB3 can handle 48KHz and a 16 or 24 bit sample rate. Hence, I thought it would be easy to use Easy CD-DA extractor to rip to flac. Then put it through Sound Forge 8 studio (as a wav file) to increase depth to 24 bit, then resample to 48KHz and play. Does not work. So I converted a track to 24 bit wav. Did not work. So I tried a simple (unnormalized etc) resample to 48KHz does not work. Burn these to a CD and they work with the player which will read 192KHz. My original idea was to upsample to 96KHz with the knowledge that SB would down sample to 48KHz (also, obviously, did not work. Any ideas? Best Ivan System: Tact XP, 2175 power amp. -- IvanSlade IvanSlade's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12094 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36326 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review
aberdeencomponents;210450 Wrote: A good question to you would be: Why did you choose the gear you use? AP Read these papers. http://www.meridian-audio.com/lib_pap.htm A lot of high end companies are now implementing a lot of the same ideas that Meridian has been doing for the last 15-20. Regarding your other posts. We all have a right to state our opinions. Especially when it's a sales person trying to drum up customers. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26306 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bit Rates and Sample Rates
IvanSlade;210453 Wrote: Maybe be an existing answer somewhere which I cannot find. Following problem. CDs are 16bit 44.1KHz. The SB3 can handle 48KHz and a 16 or 24 bit sample rate. Hence, I thought it would be easy to use Easy CD-DA extractor to rip to flac. Then put it through Sound Forge 8 studio (as a wav file) to increase depth to 24 bit, then resample to 48KHz and play. Does not work. So I converted a track to 24 bit wav. Did not work. So I tried a simple (unnormalized etc) resample to 48KHz does not work. Burn these to a CD and they work with the player which will read 192KHz. My original idea was to upsample to 96KHz with the knowledge that SB would down sample to 48KHz (also, obviously, did not work. Any ideas? Best Ivan System: Tact XP, 2175 power amp. Why are you re-sampling rips from CD anyway? That seems like a waste of time. You will get no improvement, and probably degrade the quality going from 44.1khz to 48khz. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36326 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wav - Flac? / Tools
rkeeney;209000 Wrote: I have used Wave Corrector for several years and versions. It's the best $40 I ever spent on a piece of software! Best thing (IMO) for LPs and works great for cassettes too. I just wish it had a native FLAC output. For that I use FLAC Frontend. Rob, Thanks for the recommendation for Wave Corrector. I just spent the afternoon playing with it and I'm pretty impressed. What used to take hours now takes a couple of minutes. I compared the click-and-pop reduction in Wave Corrector to Adobe Audition's filters and didn't hear any significant difference (except that it runs about 100 times faster). I was also able to configure the external encoder to automatically run flac and tag the output files using the same scheme as I have set up in EAC for CDs. So, rather than worrying about 24-bit vs 16-bit support, what it really boils down to is whether I'll ever get around to processing the albums I've already recorded so that I can listen to them on the SB! And, for whatever it's worth, Wave Corrector works fine with 48kHz WAV files. Thanks, Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36082 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bit Rates and Sample Rates
I'm not sure at what point things are going wrong, but I can confirm that an SB3 will play a 48K 24 bit wav file without problems. And while the value in upsampling is open to debate, I think we can agree that the SB3's down sampling from 96k to 48k isn't ideal. It wasn't designed with this in mind, and it's a bit unfair to expect it. If you wish to experiment with up sampling, I'd stick to 48k. Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36326 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Specs Clarification
If you want to get technical, almost all DAC's use an oversampling digital filter before feeding the actual converter... It's also a good idea not to get too hung up on reading (and guessing) what technology should sound better. At the end of the day, it's what you hear that makes the real difference. Get out there and listen to whatever products you can! Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36228 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Favorite 6922 tube?
Brent is from http://www.audiotubes.com. Great guy to deal with, feel free to call him if you have any questions. http://www.tubemonger.com/ is also a good site for tubes. Hope this helps. Regards, DK P.S 10???!! YIKES. That is scary indeed! What pre-amp is that? -- 9dk 9dk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36303 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
