Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please hi-fi geeks
egd;233227 Wrote: Perhaps he could then convince her that as the second is a cheap knockoff it only cost him $20 :P Won't work. I have over used that. Whenever she asked how much things costs I say oh, a couple of quid. She doesn't believe me, even if the item was ;-( -- mikeruss mikeruss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please hi-fi geeks
Dedicated amp. Not sure I could go with that. having to change the SB input to the main amp to the headphone amp all the time. The cables and the sockets would get damaged over time. Unless I keep the digital coax in the DAC and the standard outs to the headphone amp? Would that work? -- mikeruss mikeruss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
zanash;233069 Wrote: Yes exactly what is better ? different is easy but one person better is anothers worse. Theres a thread on the audio asylum digital that puts this spurious challenge to bed with a spanked bottom. The problem will probably that the conclusions drawn there are incorrect. There is a simple rule: 99.9% of audiophile are actually audio-idiots who only need a reason for their huge investments. $7000 for a simple speakercable is nonsense, Just give them your money and then think: I gave them my money and now my system sounds superior That has about the same effect... It's simple: If you can't measure the difference, then there is no difference! -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;233241 Wrote: It's simple: If you can't measure the difference, then there is no difference! Of course, the flaw in this argument is that it assumes we know how to measure the things that make a difference. This is not yet proven. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
amcluesent;233172 Wrote: Yep. If they can find buyers for the Keel alloy plate for the LP12 at £1500 then £10K for an actual functioning unit seems a bargain! ;-) The Keel makes a mockery of Linn's propaganda. It's a combined subchassis and armboard machined from a single piece of ally. This means that there is *no flexibility whatsoever* between armboard and subchassis. Prior to this, Linn always used to claim that the reason why they used apparently under-sized screws to attach the armboard to the subchassis is because the fundamental design of the LP12 requires a bit of compliance at that point. So which is it, Ivor? -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this a good cheap solution for a power supply
Go with a linear psu switched mode are very noisy if not for the sb3 but for other gear. -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] UK Power supply hunters - The hunt may be over
if your in the uk take a trip to rs or rswww.com they have all the bits to build a stonkingly good psu ...its simple to make [requires 8 connections to be made 4 not even solder joints] you need an iec socket fused optional filter transformer of at least 50va and 9v secondaries a rectifier and regulator board a cable and plug for the sb3 I've added an extra 2uf and of course a case total should be about £60 -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39047 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Thomsens, being a typical Linn Products customer i resent your comment about not being competent using EAC or in my case DBPoweramp/Flac.you then confess to owning a pair of Artikulates.. dennis thomsens;233167 Wrote: Surprisingly, the Linn rep talked about EAC for a ripping approach. Somehow I don't picture the typical Linn customer as someone with the knowledge and patience to use EAC...let alone the Twonky software. While I agree that it probably doesn't make sense for Linn to build a completely proprietary server approach, I do think they need to offer more value on top of these open approaches they are suggesting. The Linn GUI was very basic and seemed like a very limited effort given the cost of the unit. Also, they should build a network of acceptable ripping houses for their customers who might not want to do it themselves. My overall take was that the launch will ill-conceived and they are assuming the name will sell the device. Don't get me wrong, I own some Artikulats, so I'm aware of the sticker shock that comes with Linn products, but I can't justify the leap to the Klimax from the Transporter given the lack of usability and the fact that the pricing seems much more what their market will bear than COGS oriented. Interestingly, I decided to buy a high-end system because of the Transporter. I knew I could have my whole collection available through one device. This justified the cost for me. I actually chose the Aritkulats because they were fully activ and kept that minimalist feel. -- dennis55 dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
dennis55;233255 Wrote: Thomsens, being a typical Linn Products customer i resent your comment about not being competent using EAC or in my case DBPoweramp/Flac.you then confess to owning a pair of Artikulates.. dennis I used to consider myself a typical Linn owner, but my continued failure to win the lottery has changed my view :o). Oh for those happy days of fiddling with those wretched springs (not). According to my Linn dealer there are basically two types of customer: ones like me who like to fiddle and are technically competent (apparently a small minority these days) - and those who prefer a full dealer install. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
thomsens;231617 Wrote: I had a personal demo of the Klimax DS last week. It's all business. Ethernet only, no other inputs either. It relies on UPnP and comes with (or at least suggests you use) Twonkymedia FMG, imagine paying 20k for a network music player and then having to use Twonkymedia as your interface. ROFLMAO! thomsens;231617 Wrote: We know there aren't many ways to make the PC part expensive, so the DAC is basically at least $18K of it. Without knocking the DAC, I'm pretty sure a very large proportion of the 18k is brand value rather than anything of benefit. -- egd Thecus N5200PRO Transporter ATC SCA2 ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this a good cheap solution for a power supply
TheBas;233185 Wrote: Yes it is a switching PS but you can change the input voltage with a jumper. It is not automatic. Is this important or is the same that be an automatic one? Thanks I could have made that clearer; I meant switched-mode (SMPS) rather than switchable for voltage. Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
dennis55;233255 Wrote: Thomsens, being a typical Linn Products customer i resent your comment about not being competent using EAC or in my case DBPoweramp/Flac.you then confess to owning a pair of Artikulates.. dennis Not sure why you resent it. I don't have statistics to back it up, but even going in blind, I'd bet big money you are not a typical Linn customer if you rip your own and manage the tags, etc. I sat and watched the Linn rep, the store owner, and a Linn customer who owned every source they've made discuss ripping music at the most basic level...and still getting some facts wrong. I suspect that's still quite common. And, many folks with the money to blow on Klimax gear probably don't see the time spent ripping worth wasting. The only reason I do it is because I know I'd have to fix whatever a ripping house would do anyway. I wasn't confessing to anything. I was making it clear that I'm not against Linn in any way by saying I own some of their pricey gear. I didn't want to be taken as a basher because that isn't my angle at all. -- thomsens thomsens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please hi-fi geeks
The amplifier in your main rig should have a record output, which you can use as input to the headphone amplifier. -- marsicanus marsicanus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12443 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Phil Leigh;233244 Wrote: Of course, the flaw in this argument is that it assumes we know how to measure the things that make a difference. This is not yet proven. One thing is sure: Nowadays we can measure more precisely than we can hear. And how to measure sound is pretty well known. It's only 'audiophiles' who don't know how to or don't want to know how to... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter reviewed in TNT-Audio
http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/sdtransporter_e.html While the sound of the Transporter was very good, I still found it a frustrating component to listen to. On some music it was immense but too often I felt that the music wasn't communicating with me. In fact after four of five weeks, I tried my Scott Nixon DacKit with the Transporter, and the sound quality was clearly much better. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39093 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter reviewed in TNT-Audio
Any review that talks about support systems for non-mechanical playback devices is suspect. This review was not worth the time it took to download the page. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39093 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
Hi, I'm considering obtaining a set of Ethernet over mains devices as it will simplify my home network. I do wonder if there is any impact on other equipment plugged into the same mains circuit. It is sometimes recommended to have a separate ring main for the Hi-Fi to avoid interference from the fridge and the microwave. These network devices must by their very nature put some signal / noise on the circuit, but is it noticeable? Has anyone had any experience? Tom -- TurnipMan TurnipMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
My vinyl rig would cost close to $20K to buy today. It's a case of a) Having the spare cash b) Feeling it's worth it I agree that Linn entering the market adds a LOT of clout and validity. I hope SlimDevices filed patents a few years ago :) ET -- EvilTed EvilTed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter reviewed in TNT-Audio
Hope this doesn't open up a can-o-worms, but isn't the Scott Nixon DAC one of those non-oversampling ones with not much of an anti-alias filter? I guess they count on the listener's ears doing the anti-alias filtering... But what about the tweeters? -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39093 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please hi-fi geeks
marsicanus;233316 Wrote: The amplifier in your main rig should have a record output, which you can use as input to the headphone amplifier. A - good idea. I'll give that a try. As you can tell. Never thought of that. ;-) -- mikeruss mikeruss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
zanash;233069 Wrote: Theres a thread on the audio asylum digital that puts this spurious challenge to bed with a spanked bottom. I don't particularly care one way or another, but I couldn't find a thread that clearly dismissed the challenge. As far as I know, he has the money held by a 3rd party and the reason for requiring a media presence is that he wants the reviewers or manufacturers to come forwards, not crazies. It would seem to me that you for one have confidence in your abilities to tell the difference, so why not go for it? If the rules are unfair, then what should they be? If someone can prove these cables do deliver what they promise, I'm sure many people would be happy. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
Tom, I have a variety of these devices including homeplug, UPB and X-10. I have tried listening both with and without and did not notice a difference. That, of course, doesn't mean that there isn't noise, just that I couldn't hear it. OTOH, homeplug works by using Forward Error Correction - that is, processing the data to add redundancy so that it can be recovered at the destination without error. This adds latency to the data path, so if you are using homeplug to distribute music, it is possible that the receive buffer might run out occasionally. -- Bob Bressler Bob Audio Note CDT-Two-Audio Note DAC5 + Slim Transporter-Spectral DMC-20-Kassai amp-Audio Note AN Es Bob Bressler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2217 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
I'd expect it's pretty unlikely you'd have a problem. These are broadband devices operating in the hundreds of MHz. Something motorized load like a bathroom fan would be far more likely to introduce noise in the audible band, but even then it should not be a concern with well designed AV equipment. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
Bob Bressler;233412 Wrote: OTOH, homeplug works by using Forward Error Correction - that is, processing the data to add redundancy so that it can be recovered at the destination without error. This adds latency to the data path, so if you are using homeplug to distribute music, it is possible that the receive buffer might run out occasionally. I would disagree on several counts: - Homeplug doesn't have latency problems. It will have about the same as RTT as wifi. - FEC's purpose is actually to _decrease_ latency by reducing the number of retransmissions needed to recover lost data. It does this at the expense of using some additional bandwidth. It's essentially analogous to RAID. - Latency per se is not a problem for streaming. Only in the presence of packet loss is latency a problem, and even then, only large amounts like you'd have over long distances across the internet. - Homeplug is actually fine for streaming music. Wifi is cheaper and more widely available, but Homeplug is a fine choice if you can't get a good wireless signal. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe darrenyeats;233089 Wrote: Muski, Have you noticed the improvements in EQ in the latest Inguz release? Things are definitely sounding better (though, rather unscientifically, I upgraded Inguz, changed my speaker position and made new a set of filters with my M30 all at the same time...) -- muski muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
