[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My suggestion to lower SB jitter
Hi, I own a SqueezeBox2 in combination with an external DAC. Recently I did a small investment to lower the SqueezeBox-2 jitter. A small Dutch company (tentlabs) sells low jitter clock upgrades for CD-players. The particular upgrade I used contains an additional reclocking circuit for the digital output (SPDIF). This circuit reduces the jitter at that output. The incoming jitter at the DAC will be lower, resulting in better sound. This upgrade can also be applied to a squeezebox. The only problem is the lack of space in the squeezebox enclosure to fit the low jitter clock print. The solution was to use an external jitter filter box (to be connected between the SB and the external dac via spdif) with enough space to include the print and to disconnect the original filter. So I only used the original enclosure, the internal power supply and digital receiver and transmitter. The actual filtering is done by the TentLabs low jitter clock print (the XO-3 print) connected to the receiver/transmitter. I used the monarchy DIP 24/96 for the enclosure (approx 200 dollar) see http://www.monarchyaudio.com/DIP.htm and the XO-DAC module from tentlabs (200 euro). See http://www.tentlabs.com/Products/DACupgrades/index.html. The results are remarkable. Better soundstaging, less fatigue listening. If you're willing to spend a few hundred euros/dollars to improve overall sound and do some hand soldering (or find someone who can do that) I highly recommend this investment. David -- David R. David R.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6194 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43044 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My suggestion to lower SB jitter
David - are you using Tentlink to drive the SB clock from your DAC, or are you simply reclocking the DAC SPDIF on its way to the DAC? - in which case, you really need the new clock as close as possible (ie inside) the DAC. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43044 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
I recently added a Citypulse DA2.03e II to my main system. I was expecting some level improvement, but wow, I am blown away. There is a major improvement in definition and strength of the bass, and an significant improvement in overall clarity. Before adding the DAC, my system consisted of: SB3 (digital out) to DEQ2496 (analog out) to Music Angel 845 tube amp (modified). Present configuration: SB3 (digital out) to DEQ2496 (digital out) to Citypulse DAC to MA 845. I'm using the DEQ2496 for room correction and to help me tune my DIY speakers. I originally found the analog output of the DEQ2496 to be at least as good as the SB3's analog output. Speakers consist of 8 full range Fostex 206ESR's in BIB's (horns that load into the ceiling - they are huge!). I really dig these speakers, they fill the whole house with great sound, and they produce plenty deep clean bass. I went with the Citypulse because I want a remote volume control and because of its excellent reputation. -- boudy boudy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9829 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
Timothy Stockman;265449 Wrote: A step in the right direction, but they've got an uphill battle. I can't count the times I've seen the not as loud as my other CDs complaint in Amazon reviews, as if loud CDs are to be valued by the listener. The other big misunderstanding I've seen in Amazon reviews is the it's a ripoff because it's not stereo comment. Maybe it doesn't occur to some that there was a time before stereo, when everything was mono, and a lenghty transition period (from the late 1950s to the early 1970s) when there was a mix of stereo and mono recordings. Perhaps the reason that a recording is in mono is because that's the way it was recorded! My other beef is the mastering engineers who play mono tapes back on stereo tape machines... hmmm...a bit like playing your mono vinyl with a stereo stylus...ugh. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - what are the specific advantages?
Pat Farrell;265303 Wrote: darrenyeats wrote: To me this is a storm in a tea-cup. Its about the music. Does it move you. Many audiophiles are insane. I know a guy who's getting performance pressure when he comes home and listens to the music, because his rig is so darn expensive it must sound well ==:-O Madness? Yes it's about the music and what moves you, it's not about sounding darn well -Harald -- haraldo Suse Linux - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42961 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
http://turnmeup.org/index.shtml Sign up and show your support. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
In one of the artciles it states that the average volume of many 2007 CDs is -3db. As 3db is a barely perceptible change in loudness, that means the difference between the peak level and the average level is just that - barely perceptible. I remember Robert Fripp talking about Larks Tongues In Aspic Part 1, and how they had tried to maximise the difference between the long quiet intro and the main rock-out section for maximum impact. It paid off as the tracks is incredibly dynamic. Why don't musicians, engineers, and record companies understand this? -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
Patrick Dixon;265447 Wrote: http://turnmeup.org/index.shtml Sign up and show your support. Everybody! Join in :-D -- haraldo Suse Linux - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
Current recordings and remasters from analogue will use the latest ADCs, which like DACs have come a long way in the last ten years. We could be hearing the benefit - but no. Maybe this is where MoFi and the like could be on to a winner. Market their remasters as 'loudness wars free'. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
I suspect a class action suit against the major labels and the RIAA for inflicting permanent hearing damage on consumers would soon put paid to the issue. -- egd All music also sounded completly different , and extremly musical. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
bigfool1956;265499 Wrote: On the other hand look at this link: http://www.chicagomasteringservice.com/loudness.html and scroll down to the two waveform diagrams for Iggy Pop and the Stooges' Search and Destroy, one from 1990, and the other from the 1997 remaster. Now that is truly scary stuff! That waveform is horrific! The recording must sound like a wall of noise. -- Mark Lanctot Ben Klass: I won't even eat a pre-7.0 meal. Well, unless it involves bacon. Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Deutsche Grammophon
Outrageous is more the term I would use for those prices for MP3. Good grief even iTunes isn't that expensive for whole albums. They just don't get it do they. Unfortunately shortsightedness by companies like this damages the download business model by overcharging for inferior product (i.e. MP3, not the DG catalogue itself). Whilst people might not realise the cost of hosting such a site, they certainly are aware that it costs much less than manufacturing a CD with booklet and jewel case. But then again, if people are prepared to pay -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42883 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
A step in the right direction, but they've got an uphill battle. I can't count the times I've seen the not as loud as my other CDs complaint in Amazon reviews, as if loud CDs are to be valued by the listener. The other big misunderstanding I've seen in Amazon reviews is the it's a ripoff because it's not stereo comment. Maybe it doesn't occur to some that there was a time before stereo, when everything was mono, and a lenghty transition period (from the late 1950s to the early 1970s) when there was a mix of stereo and mono recordings. Perhaps the reason that a recording is in mono is because that's the way it was recorded! My other beef is the mastering engineers who play mono tapes back on stereo tape machines... -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
I just upgraded the DAC to the KE series as well as the latest low noise opamp inside my SB3. Having done this as well as using the Welborne power supply (very nice kit!) has yielded amazing results. I am curious though to hear an external DAC such as Benchmarks or the Citypulse you're using. What made you decide on this flavor DAC? Had you tried modding your SB3? -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
... since I have the DEQ2496 digital equalizer in the path. I'm already using a linear supply. I modify tube amps and through hole circuits all the time, but modifying the SB3 looks daunting due to those tiny SMD leads. I'll have to practice first on a junk board. -- boudy Main system: SB3 - DEQ2496 - Citypulse 2.03 - MA 845 - DIY 206ESR BIB Office system: SB3 - DCX2496 - Attenuator - DIY 2 way Open Baffle boudy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9829 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
Daunting? You got that right. I had help and all went well. Now I'm looking to upgrade the caps. My audiophile friend hung a 1000uf cap off the DAC +VDD and wants to do the same to other areas of this board. I'm a little more conservative so I may add some HQ 47uf caps in key areas. Still I wish to compare the internal upgrades to an external DAC. -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
Yes, it's a ridiculous, scandalous situation. One of the worst examples is the remaster phenomenon...my experience agrees with the article in that many remasters are far worse than the original. The music business should hang its head in shame that it milks the public with this type of thing. If there's a choice of CD releases by default I buy the oldest one I can find. Happily, that's usually cheaper. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW40 - Real time DSP, digital out - in?
Aha, thanks! I will give it a try when I get a chance. Is there any significant processor hit due to the extra number crunching? -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
Noticed another weird thing. v40 shows ~10V lower voltage than v36. 218V instead of 228V. I wonder what voltage is chosen by the power supply. -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW40 - Real time DSP, digital out - in?
I have had DEQ2496 for few years now. I don't use it as I don't really have a need to EQ anything but I won't be selling it because it is a great tool for those rare occasions and for $200 worth keeping (I also have the mic). I may use it if I ever get to build a HT system. Never had any problems with it. The digital stream is very transparent. EQ quality is first rate , 48bit depth with a multiple setting memory. I have never used it as a A/D converter but as D/A works very well (uses similar to Transporter's dacs) alhough the pro output level requires attenuation. Now that I have the Transporter I would even risk a statement that they sound pretty close. It is an extremely versatile devices and I definitely recommend it. -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW40 - Real time DSP, digital out - in?
Kiep;265563 Wrote: I just don't know how it would be implemented with the SlimServer and Transporter. Like this: http://inguzaudio.com Works a treat for me, Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
alekz;265594 Wrote: Noticed another weird thing. v40 shows ~10V lower voltage than v36. 218V instead of 228V. I wonder what voltage is chosen by the power supply. The voltage measurement is not meant to be super accurate. It is only used to determine how the transformer primaries are connected so that it can run at 110-120 or 220-240V. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
Thanks Sean. I will continue to use my multimeter, then ;-) -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
Been working my way through the links on the article. The link to Bob Orban's paper is particularly enlightening as to what goes on in music broadcasting. On the other hand look at this link: http://www.chicagomasteringservice.com/loudness.html and scroll down to the two waveform diagrams for Iggy Pop and the Stooges' Search and Destroy, one from 1990, and the other from the 1997 remaster. Now that is truly scary stuff! -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW40 - Real time DSP, digital out - in?
I have 3.2GHz Celeron linux box and it takes roughly 30-35% cpu. The filters can be generated by DRC software or InguzEQ plugin (I use the latter). Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42957 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
congratulations! and may i also say congratulations to slim devices on the growth - for me personally trying these forums has become totally overwhelming compared to a year ago. every day now there are 4 new pages of news in general discussion wow... shows... (1) the success of slim devices (great!!) (2) the limitations of web 2.0 self-support community wikis and environments, at some point in time now one can check everything and the enrvironment relies on either hyper-dedicated private evangelists or hope the company throw more official support into the forums... -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turn Me Up!
I suspect a class action suit against the major labels and the RIAA for inflicting permanent hearing damage on consumers would soon put paid to the issue. -- egd All music also sounded completly different , and extremly musical. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
