Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
bigbwb;300554 Wrote: What is the difference between the classic new SB? The site only shows the classic now anyway with burr brown DACS as you mentioned. Has the newer unit took a step down in any way? I may try to score a deal on a used one to save a few bucks too:) Thanks! Brandon Though the DACs are different in the SB3 and Receiver, the boxes have been designed to sound pretty similar - ie very good. The Receiver is really just a different form factor for people who don't need a display on the box and want the the functions provided by the controller. So, no, the newer box is in no way a step down. I would suggest you base your choice on your needs - unless your system and your ears are ultra sensitive, IMO you wouldn't hear a different between SB3 and SBR. [Others in the Audiophile forum may beg to differ :o)] Cheers, Bob -- morris_minor Living Room: SB3/SBC Sonifex RB DAC1 Musical Fidelity X10v3 Sudgen Headmaster Sennheiser HD 595 Kitchen: SBR Sony Minisystem [via Homeplug ethernet] Michell Gyrodec SE DC [Tecnoarm, Goldring 1042] Graham Slee Era V Gold Pioneer DV565 universal player, Yamaha DSPAX750SE, Kef Cresta 30 (fronts), Tannoy Profile 633 (rears) Mac Mini [1.83GHz, 2Gb], Iomega Minimax 500Gb, LaCie Ethernet BigDisk 1TB, D-Link DSL604+, M-Audio Transit USB, Audiolab 8000A, Monitor Audio M2s morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW42, and revisiting some FW40 bugs
Rob Stone;300668 Wrote: Downloaded latest/7.1 Mac OSX Disk Image and installed successfully and did the firmware update on the transporter, but I am still at FW40. Any help will be appreciated. Obviously, I'm missing a step or two here. Thanks, Rob Stone It's in the May 10th 7.1 nightly! -- xand1x Linksys WRT54G -- Slim Devices Transporter (Black) -- First Watt F1 -- AKG K1000 xand1x's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
Bob, Thanks for the clarification between the 2 units. So are the audiophiles saying the SB3 is better than the SBR or vice versa? As for the oppo 980, I love it so far. I came from owning the 970 also. I have used it for both SACD, DVD-A, and CD's. The osund is very good and the DAC's do a great job considering its price point. I will be using it for Multi ch music via HDMI to my yamaha 2600 receiver and its analog outs into my 2 ch pre-amp. I think the differences between these oppos and higher end CD players would be very small and difficult to hear. You have to pay alot in order to get that last few percent of sonic bliss, probably:) Later, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW42, and revisiting some FW40 bugs
I have upgraded to FW42. I can't seem to play any digital input. I have a CD player connected through RCA COAX, but I've tried playing all digital inputs. The Now Playing screen says playtime 00:00. With FW40, I was hearing a few beeps and splutters, but also no music. BTW, I also tried playing digital sources from the initial setup connection menus. Also at this level I noticed some new Text Viewer menu - is this some form of debug setting htat has been left in by accident - looks like localisation text strings. Phil ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW42, and revisiting some FW40 bugs
i would like to install 42FW but no Bin file is posted. I require the Bin file for my Infrant NAS. -- lstern lstern's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16858 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why no Nightly 7.1 Bin File
I apologize for asking again but I do not understand why no nightly Bin files are posted. I require this format for my Infrant Nas. Thanks for any feedback. -- lstern lstern's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16858 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47481 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modifying the Squeezebox 3
i saw in the original mod that one is to replace the original caps w/ a 4.7uf, 50v and simply wire from there to the RCA outputs. here's the rub: when i tried to remove the stock caps (shown in green circles of the pic), i throw the solder pads they're attached to. its like the pads pull off the board when i try to pull the caps out, which makes it impossible to solder anything back onto the board where the original caps mounted. (i really fouled my first when i threw the traces on the board as well). does anyone have good advice on how to safely remove the caps so that the solder pads don't come up with them? many thx rhyno +---+ |Filename: SB3 board.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5066| +---+ -- rhyno138 rhyno138's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
as far as audiophile music delivery goes, i'd recommend using an external high quality DAC anyhow. many high end CD players will allow you to feed in digitally into the DAC, and i have always applauded Slim Devices for that design decision. excellent as it is for the price, i think expecting the built-in DACs in SB3 or SBR to perform up to the level of equipment that costs over 10X more optimistic - albeit possible, it all depends on one's preferences. i have just bought a new SB3 and the Duo, and shall compare them - but i always feed them via optical IF into my Accuphase CD's DAC, either because it is better or simply because i got used to its sound over the years - in any case, i prefer it, and i very much doubt the SB3 or SBR will sound any different given that. why do i prefer optical? clean separation, no grounding issues to ever look into. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modifying the Squeezebox 3
rhyno138 wrote: does anyone have good advice on how to safely remove the caps so that the solder pads don't come up with them? You are trying to hack surface mount stuff? Did you not see the giant thar be dragons warning? Of course real men can fix the solder pads. :-) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modifying the Squeezebox 3
rhyno138;300850 Wrote: snip Does anyone have good advice on how to safely remove the caps so that the solder pads don't come up with them? many thx rhyno Fry's carries Quik Chip - it worked well for me. http://www.chipquikinc.com/ \http://shop4.frys.com/product/2644632 (Says sold out online so check a store). Regards, Km -- krochat -- Acourate - Inguz DSP - SB3 - GW Labs DSP (96kHz upsampler) - Apogee Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2x TacT S2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Timing Jitter question
Hello- A Slim Devices salesperson suggested I post this question, in hopes someone who knows ( has time- apparently their engineers are quite busy) can answer for all to read. The question is: does the Slimserver, or other Slim hardware/software, have a feedback chain from the hardware (that puts out the S/PDIF) to the server (which sends the music stream to the hardware)? Normal USB-DACs don't- they run asynchronously, with a PLL to keep the output bitrate at a speed that matches the incoming packet rate, so that the buffer never over- or under-runs. This results in timing jitter, as the PLL servos the output frequency back forth to accommodate the not-very-precisely-timed computer packets. It would appear that the Slim system could get around this, since they have their own hardware software. Hence there would be no real need for re-clocking equipment between the Slim device and your DAC, since the real culprit in timing jitter is that asynchronous feed PLL follower, not the inherent jitter on the oscillator (which is usually extremely low). Can anyone tell me if the Slim system works this way? If it does, I'll be in line with my $$ right away. I am particularly interested in the equipment other than the Transporter, since I already have an excellent DAC really just want a jitter-free S/PDIF output for it. Thanks to any who can post the answer (especially if it's Sean Adams, who the salesperson says reads this forum knows the answers)- Neil PS: if the answer is yes, Slim has hardware-to-software feedback so that they need no PLL, then you should put this in your product info/advertising- for audiophiles, it is a huge deal. If I knew this to be true, I'd already have ordered one (maybe more) be telling my friends. -- lork lork's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FW42, and revisiting some FW40 bugs
Just tried to upgrade to todays build. The firmware loaded with no problems, but, the web interface was completely whacked. Went back to a version from 10 April and everything is fine. Should I completely uninstall Squeezecenter, prefs, etc. before upgrading to the nightly builds? -- Lectric Larry Lectric Larry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Timing Jitter question
lork;300871 Wrote: Normal USB-DACs don't- they run asynchronously, with a PLL to keep the output bitrate at a speed that matches the incoming packet rate, so that the buffer never over- or under-runs. This results in timing jitter, as the PLL servos the output frequency back forth to accommodate the not-very-precisely-timed computer packets. I'm afraid you have this backwards. The whole idea of an asynchronous interface is that there is NO connection between the incoming data rate, and the outgoing. An asynchronous interface does not require a PLL, and if properly implemented, will not transmit jitter from the incoming stream to the outgoing. A SPDIF connection is synchronous, and requires a PLL to extract the clock from the data stream. This type of interface has the potential for noise and jitter in the incoming data stream to affect the PLL's output jitter. lork;300871 Wrote: It would appear that the Slim system could get around this, since they have their own hardware software. Hence there would be no real need for re-clocking equipment between the Slim device and your DAC, since the real culprit in timing jitter is that asynchronous feed PLL follower, not the inherent jitter on the oscillator (which is usually extremely low). The Slim system is totally asynchronous. The data arrives in packets over the ethernet, and is loaded into a memory buffer, and then clocked out by the main system clock (which is not a pll). When the buffer gets low, the hardware requests a new packet and thus ensures it never runs out. As such, the total jitter is the sum of the Crystal controlled clock, and the associated clock distribution (pcb traces, glue logic etc), which can be tightly controlled. While this holds true for the slims internal DAC, as soon as you go outboard, via the SPDIF interface, your external DAC must use it's clock recovery circuit and PLL to re-generate the clock. So the potential for increased jitter exists once again. Is a re-clocker required with an SB3? I'd say no, it's inherent jitter is very low, so unless your external DAC has a poorly designed clock recovery circuit, it shouldn't be necessary. The jitter from a transporter is even lower, but it's DAC is very good, so there's little reason to go outboard. Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Timing Jitter question
Right, what Dave said. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Give you a good recommendation
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Timing Jitter question
You are quite correct- I think the term I should have used was adaptive rather than asynchronous. Much appreciate both the very complete ( helpful) answer and also the lack of flaming over my ignorant/incorrect use of the term. Best- Neil -- lork lork's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
