Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
For the record, my carefully ripped MP3 files sound awesome on the SB, I have not encountered the described issue and kind of doubt I would encounter a scenario like that. Most people, upon playing good burn-in and test CDs (such as Sheffleid Labs) discover that their systems have frequency areas that are non-linear, and sometimes even extremely good speakers show borderline resonance during a slow sweep. So while at this point it seems established the SB is not entirely linear in its frequency response, I wonder if it's really such a scandal given its marginal significance and the fact the rest of the music reproduction chain is bound to also show occasional non-linear response. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Nonreality;311296 Wrote: No, I don't want to hurt my old speakers. :( I just don't think that he should be berated because he uses a format that some don't consider up to their standards. But I think you have to be patient also because it's not a huge thing. They should fix the replay gain first :) We all want what affects us to be a priority, human nature. In time I hope they fix everything. I'm not berating anyone! The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the problem. What is the replaygain problem? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: I'm not berating anyone! The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the problem. Phil, I challenge You to listen to these files: http://www.driveway.com/i1l4u7v3m4 http://www.driveway.com/b6o9y7s2n1 This is short fragment of music normalized on -45db and -75db. Please listen to these files on some slimdevices and on some other mp3 player. After that we can continue discussion. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RME ADI-2 - External DAC issue
Hi EricM, hi Nonreality, @Eric: thanks for mentioning other DAC candidates, I've read about them but I'm not willing to spend the necessary 1000s. Then I'd rather go with the Transporter. The RME-DAC was just a test to what extend a midprice external DAC can contribute to the sound. @Nonreality: Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just adding more and more devices to take part at the gearporn ratrace. Being honest, I'm pretty contend with what I hear and am actually selling the RME. Regards, Z. -- Zardoz Zardoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: I Is it possible to get it to transcode from MP3 to FLAC ? At least then those few people who are really affected (MP3 users, with very good amps and music with quiet passages) could have an easy work-around without having to convert all their MP3s. Transcoding workaround(mp3 decoding in full 24-bit,): mp3 flc * * [madplay] --output=wave:- --replay-gain=audiophile --attenuate=-0 --very-quiet --bit-depth=24 $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 --endian big --sign signed --channels 2 --bps 24 --sample-rate 44100 - Madplay get at http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php Now please listen samples again to hear how they sound now. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: I've listened and I'm afraid your samples just prove the previous point that the artefacts are swamped by the noise floor of a typical non-audiophile sound system. Yes I can hear the artefacts very clearly when I turn up my amp way beyond where I would normally listen. But at normal listening levels I can't hear the -75dB track at all above the normal noise from my amp and I can barely hear the -45dB track let alone the artefacts. Most of my music is in MP3 ~200kbps VBR at the moment and I have never heard these artefacts in normal listening. They are quite distinctive when you can hear them, but I never have heard them. I'm guessing that if you listened to a lot of classical music with very quiet but not silent sections then you would have more chance of hearing it in real life, but you'd have to have a much quieter amp than mine for it to be noticable. The bug should obviously be fixed, but it is unlikely that many people are actually suffering because of it. I'll quote myself: sikahr;246061 Wrote: This is it. Bug is not showstoper but very annoying on hi-fi gear. My rough estimation is that generated noise is about -50 - -60 dB. cheers, Nenad Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: you'd have to have a much quieter amp than mine for it to be noticable. I mostly listen with Sennheiser HD580 and dirt cheap homemade CMOY headphone amp with burr-brown opamp. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Howard Passman;311247 Wrote:
a magnifying glass ;-)
Magnifying glass - that's so analog. Try zooming in in the digital
domain ('+' and '-' buttons on you controller), that might help.
K
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
I have the duet receiver and found the sound to be acceptable using the built in DAC but nowhere near as good as that of my 8 year old cambridge audio cd player. After much debate between getting either the benchmark, ps audio or for something completely different, the cambridge audio 840c cd player (it has 2 digital inputs so you can use it as a DAC), I went for the Cambridge. Now, I haven't heard the others, but I can tell you that using the Cambridge Audio is a huge improvement over the built in DAC of the duet. More detail, more control, less noise. The list goes on. My wife could hear the difference when she was one floor away in the house. There simply is no comparison. -- wendellkb wendellkb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17276 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?
They're not making much money, which is why it's in the death spiral, but it was Sony's hope that they would make the kind of money CD's earned them Interesting idea that DSD was invented as an archival format. Both your links seem to originate from the same source (or one copied from the other), it would be interesting to find what that original source was, probably a Sony press release. Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48748 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?
DCtoDaylight;311525 Wrote: They're not making much money, which is why it's in the death spiral, but it was Sony's hope that they would make the kind of money CD's earned them Interesting idea that DSD was invented as an archival format. Both your links seem to originate from the same source (or one copied from the other), it would be interesting to find what that original source was, probably a Sony press release. Cheers, Dave Dave, there is a Sony/Philips *Introduction to SACD* document in PDF format http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/dsd/dsd.pdf -- siriuslycold *'DVD-A Registry' (http://dvd-a.info/)* for hirez/surround audio Bluray, DVD-Audio, DAD/HDAD, DualDisc, MVI siriuslycold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18081 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48748 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I truly believe I have now seen everything. This has to be the snake oil of all snake oils .. http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/akdl1/akdl1.htm -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
An alternative viewpoint: http://www.uberreview.com/2008/06/ultra-premium-denon-link-cable-is-both-hilarious-and-shameful.htm -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
so, let's see how long before somebody here claims that in his system, to his ears this cable ... :) K -- slimkid Where does the light go when you turn the switch off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
I used one to connect my SBR to my SC server and it seems to have really brought out the mid-range, the vocals are much clearer and there's extra shine on the percussion. lmao. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?
Reads like promotional stuff, not more. For example the fact DSD uses 4x the amount of data than CD. Nothing special i think, PCM 24/96 does also. -- Wombat Transporter - Avantgarde based monoblocks - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48748 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
wendellkb;311505 Wrote: My wife could hear the difference when she was one floor away in the house. There simply is no comparison. That's exactly where my wife says the volume is about right. One floor away, with the kids in the tub and the water running... :-) I'll check and see if Cambridge makes a seperate DAC. I don't need another player because I'm still in love with my Revox. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Passman Sorry slow to respond. I don't spend that much time online. Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
sikahr;311431 Wrote: Phil, I challenge You to listen to these files: http://www.driveway.com/i1l4u7v3m4 http://www.driveway.com/b6o9y7s2n1 This is short fragment of music normalized on -45db and -75db. Please listen to these files on some slimdevices and on some other mp3 player. After that we can continue discussion. Peace, Nenad OK will do... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
They didn't say oxygen free. I bet this thing is full of oxygen. But what do you expect for only £350. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
Ignoring the price (which is just STUPID) I think they are claiming that the Denon Ethernet interface is better for sound quality than SPDIF etc, rather than the cable actually improving SQ over ethernet... I think many heare might agree with that. At least that's the way I read it. YMMV. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
sikahr;311455 Wrote: Transcoding workaround(mp3 decoding in full 24-bit,): Madplay get at http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php Now please listen samples again to hear how they sound now. I don't need to, I know that the artefacts will have gone away, because the x86 version of madplay doesn't have the bug. So what would be the point ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
seanadams;311556 Wrote: They didn't say oxygen free. I bet this thing is full of oxygen. But what do you expect for only £350. LOL. No such thing as oxygen free cables because hot air contains oxygen. -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Well I had to wind my system up gain 99 (out of 100) to hear the -75dB one...at which point I could hear what was left of the music and the artefacts. But I'm running the system so loud (with over 500 watts of active amplification) that normal music would be at the pain barrier!. Anyway - I stand by my point. In normal usage i can't see how this would ever get heard. How did you manage to hear it? I can only imagine you were listening on headphones with the gain wide open to a track recorded at a very low level? Anyway as I keep saying, I converted the files to FLAC (using Switch Plus) and the artefacts disappeared. So there is a perfect workaround for the one file out of 100,000 that might have this issue... Peace Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
wendellkb;311505 Wrote: My wife could hear the difference when she was one floor away in the house. There simply is no comparison. It would be easy to dismiss your story as hyperbole but I believe you. Sources shouldn't sound that different but sometimes they do have a different character to the sound. When that happens the difference can sometimes be in quantity i.e. frequency response rather than quality and yet then it is easy for the difference to be misconstrued as better quality (especially in the context of a particular rest-of-system which necessarily has its own balance). Could your experience fall into that category, given especially that the listener is on a different floor? Perhaps more or less bass or treble (for example) would be audible...but not, surely, sound quality itself. Going further, perhaps there are no major differences and pyschology alone is causing you to hear a difference, given especially that the listener is on a different floor. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
darrenyeats;311574 Wrote: Going further, perhaps there are no major differences and pyschology alone is causing you to hear a difference, given especially that the listener is on a different floor. *sits back and opens popcorn* -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Actually there's an old studio trick. Sometime when you've sat listening to a mix next to the nearfields for hours you get a bit...jaded - and you kind of lose the plot in terms of eq, balance etc etc. However, leaving the studio for a break and then returning a while later while the track is still playing, from the hallway outside you can often hear exactly what is wrong with the track (eg drums too loud, vocal eq wrong). It's like you reboot that aural memory part of your brain...and the odd sound from outside is enough to cause that reboot... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, transcoding workaround works superb. Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). Please listen additional file: http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 this is -60db file, it maybe gives best picture because music and artefacts are about same level. My point is: if noise of about -60 db mixed with music is not important, then I agree with You. But I think this is important and I clearly can hear this on my system on audiophile recordings as additional noise which disappeare when I use trancoding. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Enough already! We all agree that it's a bug, we all agree it will be fixed, we all agree there is a workaround with transcoding. Peace (as in hold your), Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
sikahr;311583 Wrote: First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, transcoding workaround works superb. Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). Please listen additional file: http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 this is -60db file, it maybe gives best picture because music and artefacts are about same level. My point is: if noise of about -60 db mixed with music is not important, then I agree with You. But I think this is important and I clearly can hear this on my system on audiophile recordings as additional noise which disappeare when I use trancoding. Peace, Nenad The -45dB file was...louder. Maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the mp3 fragment without any normalisation or changes in level? so I can hear it exactly as it would be ripped? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Phil Leigh;311587 Wrote: The -45dB file was...louder. Maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the mp3 fragment without any normalisation or changes in level? so I can hear it exactly as it would be ripped? Unfortunatrelly, I don't have original rip (six months passed), but I have wav (normalised to -45db) decoded from mp3 on PC. Compare this wav to mp3: http://www.driveway.com/u2b8k4z9t6 Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
There isn't a bullet point on that page to tell me how danceable it is. I only buy cables that are at least 97.6% danceable. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
97.6% danceable? wow, you are a tough customer I normally settle for 95%. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
killie99;311528 Wrote: I truly believe I have now seen everything. This has to be the snake oil of all snake oils .. http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/akdl1/akdl1.htm I have not handled this cable and the pictures are not very detailed, but from the pictures it does appear that the shield cable is doing anything because the RJ45 does not have a metal incased head. Hence the shield is not grounded and is therefore useless. And for that much money, one would think that the RJ45 would have both an accidental release protector and an anti-snag protector. Denon really took the cheap route! One last point, IT'S DIGITAL, the cable can have no influence over any of the audio whatsoever! Because there is no audio, its all ones and zeros! Are they claiming that their Zeros and Ones are bigger and fuller with this cable. Oh I get it, with this cable there are less packet collisions so the music sounds better. Yeah, right! What a load of crap! I can only hope nobody is foolish enough to ever buy one. Then again, I think I will wait until none of them sell and get one for $9.95 in the blow-out cable bin at Best Buy. The cable would look pretty between my Linksys Router and Transporter since my router is blue. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Bedroom: SB3, NAD C370, Thiel 2.3 Home Office: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, VSM-1 Sigs Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Hi Howard, I would be very interested in what you finally decide on. Comparing my SB3 analog out with my Apollo CD player, the SB3 seems a little less 3-dimensional. I love the convenience of the SB3, but I don't want to give up any sound quality. I'm a little hesitant in buying a DAC without hearing it first. The only one I auditioned so far was a used Mark Levinson 36s. It sounded weak in the mid-range and upper bass. Not as warm as the Apollo. So, the search is still on. Bob -- duke43j duke43j's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15911 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!
It will be on Woot.com in a month for 6.95 and I'll get sucked into 3. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
duke43j;311642 Wrote: Hi Howard, I would be very interested in what you finally decide on. Comparing my SB3 analog out with my Apollo CD player, the SB3 seems a little less 3-dimensional. I love the convenience of the SB3, but I don't want to give up any sound quality. I'm a little hesitant in buying a DAC without hearing it first. The only one I auditioned so far was a used Mark Levinson 36s. It sounded weak in the mid-range and upper bass. Not as warm as the Apollo. So, the search is still on. Bob *sits back and shares popcorn with andynormancx* (it's more fun than a movie watching people talk themselves into spending money) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Nonreality;311680 Wrote: *sits back and shares popcorn with andynormancx* (it's more fun than a movie watching people talk themselves into spending money) He he, we'll see. I like to ask the question, but I need the proof before I spend the $$. Tis why I don't have a Transport. When I bought my stereo there were several places around here that would allow you to audition in your home. I guess the 30 day trial is the same thing, but I feel bad if I take a new unit for trial. How about sharing that popcorn? :-) -- Howard Passman Sorry slow to respond. I don't spend that much time online. Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on possible set-ups
I thinking of installing the following and would really appreciate feedback on these set-ups: 1) Great room This install is really for background music / listening to the radio with breakfast. The room is already pre-wired for in-ceiling speakers 4 X Martin-Logan Helos 100 Pioneer VSX-918V-K Receiver Duet 2) Headphone set-up I already have a pair of AKG K701 headphones. So was thinking about one of the following combinations: a)headphone amp such as an HeadRoom Ultra Micro plus a Transport b)Benchmark DAC plus Duet c)CI Audio headphone amp (VHP 2) plus DAC (VDA 2) plus Duet Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Nicholas -- nicholasg nicholasg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: I'm not berating anyone! The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the problem. What is the replaygain problem? Actually I wasn't talking about you in that post. I would hate for one program to make me have to convert all my mp3's to flac, it's simple but a hassle. But like you said it doesn't affect me. The replay gain problem is if you happen to have had Itunes do it's soundcheck (which I was using for my 2 Ipods) then for some unknown reason they decided that the sb should add track gain and soundcheck together. So if you have a track replaygain of -8dB's it will now be somewhere around -16 dBs. Gets pretty quiet if your listening to various tracks with smartgain going. The fix is to not use any track gain or delete all the soundcheck tags. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on possible set-ups
nicholasg wrote: a)headphone amp such as an HeadRoom Ultra Micro plus a Transport b)Benchmark DAC plus Duet c)CI Audio headphone amp (VHP 2) plus DAC (VDA 2) plus Duet The Benchmark is a great DAC and can more than drive headphones. I have one, altho I've not used it since I got my Transporter. You may want to check out the http://www.headamp.com/ Pico I think its really in production, but the web page says pre orders I know the engineer who designed it, and its first rate, worthy of consideration. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify
Nonreality;311689 Wrote: I would hate for one program to make me have to convert all my mp3's to flac, it's simple but a hassle. But like you said it doesn't affect me. No one has to convert any files from MP3 to FLAC to work around it, as long as their server has enough CPU power to transcode their MP3s to FLACs on the fly. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Nonreality;311680 Wrote: *sits back and shares popcorn with andynormancx* You're welcome, could you pass the Coke please ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
