Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
mswlogo wrote: > It should be hooked up DIGITALLY (TOSLINK or RCA). And then go into > settings and Lock Volume at MAX. Then use the reciver to control > volume. If you can't hook it up digitally then get a new receiver. > AFTER you do that then look into ripping to FLAC instead of MP3. First, check that the speakers sound "OK" on something else. If not, replace them and the amp. If the speakers sound "OK", move them away from the walls. Put them on dinning room chairs or something that holds them at least a foot off the floor and a couple of feet from all walls. Listen again. The cheapest improvement in sound is to move the speakers off bookshelves. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
EnochLight;335383 Wrote: > Wow - kudos to you for having the bravery to post in an [audiophile] > forum and admit that you ripped your collection in MP3 VBR! ;^P > > To improve sound quality, for one I'd throw out that lossy-MP3-ripped > collection and re-rip it in a lossless format (such as FLAC). Part of > your sound could stem from the fact that MP3 - no matter what bit rate > - tends to compress and "craptize" any audio! > > I agree FLAC is what you want, but MP3's are the least of his problems. Most people can't hear the difference between 192kps and lossless. I agree about your point of being brave to post having hooked it up to a mid 90's sony receiver and then complain about it. It should be hooked up DIGITALLY (TOSLINK or RCA). And then go into settings and Lock Volume at MAX. Then use the reciver to control volume. If you can't hook it up digitally then get a new receiver. AFTER you do that then look into ripping to FLAC instead of MP3. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF-COAX > Meridian G68ADV (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) > DSP6000 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
Regarding your second question about pwered speakers, a lot of people on this forum recommend the Audioengine 5 http://www.audioengineusa.com/ I can't comment as I haven't heard them. I can't find anyone in this city who stocks them. Shane -- swhite58 Clark Connect Linux file server->Various boxes with flashing lights->SB3->Zhaolu D3 DAC->NAD C320BEE->Polk Monitor 4.5/Sennheiser headphones swhite58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5038 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
I spent two days trying everything i could think of, and you all solved my problem in like two minutes. I had been using the Phono input not knowing that the amp treated that differently from othere input. I switched to the Video input and it now sounds great. -- rksingla rksingla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
Phil, Does this make you a "Boom fan boy"?! :^) Pfarrell, I happen to like a bit of R&B (the modern variety) now and then...most (but NOT all) recordings are poor but so what? Bah humbug! :) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
rksingla;335371 Wrote: > > 1) I have an old (mid-90's) Sony Shelf system that I connected the > SqueezeBox receiver to using the analog outputs.its not quite so bad > The sound coming out of the speakers is pretty distorted, however, > particularly when I crank up the volume on the squeeze controller. > When I use the stereo's volume control but keep the SC volume setting > low, its not quite so bad. Any ideas why this is? I ripped the CDs > using Max for Macintosh at MP3 VBR. I have a feeling it is the DAC in > the squeezebox receiver. Could it be my old (802.11b) wireless networ? > First if you're experiencing distortion (and, to me, "it's not quite so bad" on low volume counts still as a problem) that means something is set up wrongly or is not working correctly. I would wait to make a judgment about sound quality once you have everything functioning properly. As to the problem, it could the be output level of the Duet is too great for your Sony shelf system (aka sensitivity matching). Since you have problems still on a lower volume setting, this might not be it. But it might - here's how to check. Pick the trashiest "loud" pop recording but one normally without audible distortion. Play it on the Duet, and reduce the volume using the digital volume more and more. Feel free to increase the volume on the Sony as required. If you can get to a point where there is no distortion it may be the sensitivity matching. You can fix this by restricting the output of the Duet semi-permanently, digitally (via Squeezecenter there is a setting in Settings>Player>Audio called 'Preamp Volume Control'. Or, you can purchase some physical attenuators which you connect to the RCA leads where they plug into the Sony. The second way is better from a sound quality point of view, in theory, but whether you would notice it or not is system dependent. If there is always some distortion regardless of digital volume level, no matter how low, then some part of the system has a fault, whether the Duet or the Sony, or you're plugging into the wrong input (last post), or some other problem... Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs 'Duet + Benchmark Dac1-Pre'
>Opinions?< No VU meters on the second display! ;) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
Nonreality;335358 Wrote: > The cd's don't cost you much more than 10 cents, now if something is on > them the might cost $20.I suspect the "something" on them is simply what we > call profit... :) Just like for cables. -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
Has anybody added a quality subwoofer to the Boom? Seems to me the best way to gauge any audiophile aspirations would be to add the bottom 2 octaves via an outboard sub and allow the small 3" drivers to operate in their frequency comfort zone. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs 'Duet + Benchmark Dac1-Pre'
Hi, Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the sound quality of a Transporter to a Duet coupled with the new Benchmark Dac1-Pre? The two systems are essentially the same price; $1995 for the Transporter and $400 + $1575 for the Duet/Dac1-Pre (not counting the digital cable to connect the Duet to the Pre). I have been saving for a Transporter, but I am intrigued by the Analog input AND USB options of the Dac1-Pre. If one did have higher sampling/bit rate source material, one could use a PC via USB to feed the Dac1-Pre, and use the Duet to stream redbook CD and internet radio. Opinions? Thanks, Gregg -- golson golson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16736 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
lanierb;335384 Wrote: > My $0.02. It sounds very good for the form factor, and I love it. It > also looks fantastic and seems very well designed and well made. The > dac and amps are also very good (based partly on knowledge of them from > elsewhere). > > That said, I'm going to state the obvious: the speakers are just too > small to create audiophile sound. > > I'm convinced SD did the best that was possible given the form factor, > and they even exceeded my high expectations, but there is simply a > limit to what you can do with 3" speakers. It sounds great, but will > not keep up with even great bookshelf speakers. IME there is NO such thing as "audiophile sound". There are "audiophiles" and there is "sound". What happens when you put these 2 concepts together is entirely moot... The whole point is - is it good enough to keep a self-professed (like me) audiophile happy when they are not listening to their main system? - I vote yes. Of course as I type this somebody is doubtless formulating some kind of mod...argh! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
You are not by any chance using the "phono" input ? don't, it's specially made for pickups in LP-players. Normally no input should have problems with the output voltage from the duet, even at full volume ? Nor should the duet distort on full volume ? strange. test other inputs if possible, test on friends stereo if possible. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
rksingla;335371 Wrote: > I am a newbie to digital musi.. I ripped the CDs using Max for Macintosh > at *MP3 VBR.* Wow - kudos to you for having the bravery to post in an [audiophile] forum and admit that you ripped your collection in MP3 VBR! ;^P To improve sound quality, for one I'd throw out that lossy-MP3-ripped collection and re-rip it in a lossless format (such as FLAC). Part of your sound could stem from the fact that MP3 - no matter what bit rate - tends to compress and "craptize" any audio! As to why your sound is distorted... I am assuming you are inputting your sound via analog RCA cables? While that shouldn't have much to do with it, make sure the RCA input on your 90's Sony system isn't PHONO, as this could cause a bit of a problem. Also, when you ripped your CD's did you have some sort of amp-gain setting on your files? I'm sure others will chime in here eventually. Cheers, EnochLight -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
My $0.02. It sounds very good for the form factor, and I love it. It also looks fantastic and seems very well designed and well made. The dac and amps are also very good (based partly on knowledge of them from elsewhere). That said, I'm going to state the obvious: the speakers are just too small to create audiophile sound. I'm convinced SD did the best that was possible given the form factor, and they even exceeded my high expectations, but there is simply a limit to what you can do with 3" speakers. It sounds great, but will not keep up with even great bookshelf speakers. -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
I am a newbie to digital music, and have just started digitizing my CDs and set up a SqueezeBox Duet. The whole concept -- being able to access all of my CDs from my couch -- is awesome, but the sound quality is not that great. So two questions for the more experienced out there: 1) I have an old (mid-90's) Sony Shelf system that I connected the SqueezeBox receiver to using the analog outputs. The sound coming out of the speakers is pretty distorted, however, particularly when I crank up the volume on the squeeze controller. When I use the stereo's volume control but keep the SC volume setting low, its not quite so bad. Any ideas why this is? I ripped the CDs using Max for Macintosh at MP3 VBR. I have a feeling it is the DAC in the squeezebox receiver. Could it be my old (802.11b) wireless networ? 2) Relatedly, any suggestions for relatively inexpensive speakers (powered?) that I can connect to Squeezebox receivers and get good sound? Do I need an external amp or DAC to get good performance? Any thoughts/suggestions would be much appreciated. -- rksingla rksingla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
Themis;335336 Wrote: > I must agree with the last two sentences of the author : > > "Any cable is really only "worth" the improvement it makes in your > system. If you don't feel a cable or power cord sounds as good as its > price tag suggests should, send it back." > > As for the rest, oh well : A CD costs 10cents anyway, and companies > sell them for 20$. There's only one economic theory that explains value > of goods as being proportional to the amount of labor (plus raw > materials and machinery) needed to produce these goods... Guess which > one ? :)The cd's don't cost you much more than 10 cents, now if something is > on them the might cost $20. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
I must agree with the last two sentences of the author : "Any cable is really only "worth" the improvement it makes in your system. If you don't feel a cable or power cord sounds as good as its price tag suggests should, send it back." As for the rest, oh well : A CD costs 10cents anyway, and companies sell them for 20$. There's only one economic theory that explains value of goods as being proportional to the amount of labor (plus raw materials and machinery) needed to produce these goods... Guess which one ? :) -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
Excellent, looks like I'll be ordering mine this week. Logitech have a web-site for every country in Europe except Ireland, so I may check in Curry's to see if I can get one any quicker that way. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amplifier comments
Anne, I know the Creek is a good amplifier. Now I find that indeed it is very expensive to get a better sound. The Bryston didn't make it. At the moment I have the Chord. I'll have to listen some more, but I don't think this one will be it either. (The Chord has a marginally better sound stage and a bit more grip and the Chord is more laid back. On the other hand, this amp seems a bit less detailed, especially in the mid range.) I hope to listen to the Classé also. If that one also gives only marginally better sound, I'll just stop and enjoy my Creek. So far it has been an exciting experience. Before the Destiny I had a Luxman 105μ for many years, with which I was content (I used it with a Meridian CD player). But that one finally reached it's end of life, so the Creek came in. One of side effects of these experiments is that I am more and more satisfied with my speakers. With every amp they just give me the sound of that amp. So even if this ends with a no buy, I will have learned a lot. Guy, thanks for the addresses. I saw on the German site a Classé available in Hamburg. So if I decide to go for the Classé, who knows I'll go there (only a bit further away from here than Rotterdam). Thanks all again, Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III VS Benchmark DAC1
I am using the PS Audio Digital Link III. I also elected to have the level 4 modifications done on it by Rick Cullen. This is a really nice DAC for the price. I am using it with the Squeezebox to listen to Internet radio and my iTunes collection. Mostly I was an analog guy and spun vinyl to listen to music along with the occasional CD or SACD. That changed for me when I started to travel a lot for business and wanted to take music with me so I started using an iPod. Until I got the DAC from PS Audio, I led a schizophrenic musical existence listening partially on my iPod (only out of the office) and then to CDs and vinyl when back. That DAC raised the bar on my music listening experience so much that now I am mostly listening to my iTunes collection or Internet radio through the Squeezebox via the DAC. I highly recommend this DAC with the Cullen modifications. -- mikemalter mikemalter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34436 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not all 24/96 flac's are created equal
sarwaz;334668 Wrote: > As far as I can understand, in order to see any difference between 24/96 > and 24/48 you will need to use a original sound that has much more > dynamic range than 24 bits, so when quantizing to 24 bits, you will be > able to create much better dithering with 96Khz than 48Khz... > > regards. Good luck finding something with a dynamic range of greater that 144 dB. Typcially dither is not applied to 24-bit files, as the quantizing distortion on such a file is buried far beneath the noise floor. The main useful difference between 48 KHz and 96 KHz is that 96 KHz can use a reconstruction filter with a much gentler slope, which would typically have superior sonic characteristics. Modern DACs achieve most of the benefits of higher sampling rates by using oversampling digital reconstruction filters. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
oreillymj;335297 Wrote: > Can someone tell me if this is shielded from the "phone home" > interference from a mobile phone. > > I can't leave a mobile phone anywhere near my current iPod dock/alarm > clock. > > Would someone mind placing a phone near the boom with the volume at a > reasonable level and then calling the phone/send it a text. I'd like to > know if you can hear the usual noise that a mobile induces in poorly > shielded electronics. > > A sale will depend on the results. Have a look at this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51601 Richard -- Richie Richie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=88 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
Can someone tell me if this is shielded from the "phone home" interference from a mobile phone. I can't leave a mobile phone anywhere near my current iPod dock/alarm clock. Would someone mind placing a phone near the boom with the volume at a reasonable level and then calling the phone/send it a text. I'd like to know if you can hear the usual noise that a mobile induces in poorly shielded electronics. A sale will depend on the results. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
While we are on this topic, I have to disagree - sadly, I've heard plenty of systems that are WORSE than a Boom. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Nonreality;335082 Wrote: > Oh come on now, you liked it in mp3 because it sounded good to you. > That is all that matters. No big deal. I'm sure the flac sounded good > to you too. That is all I'm saying here. Mp3 has improved a lot and > the people that continue to say things like it's unlistenable are just > being silly. It's like pulling teeth for some people to admit it > sounds fine at the right rate. I've found it funny that some people > that have said the boom sounds very good are ones that can't stand mp3 > on there home systems. I know that mp3 on their home system sounds at > the very least as good as the boom. I know I'll hear the one about how > their fantastic home system brings out the flaws of mp3's and all that > but really folks, it's got to be better than the boom no matter how > good it is and I really think that it is good. It's all good and I'm > just trying to get you to lighten up on mp3 or any good lossy. It's > not that bad at all anymore. We should all be happy about it. 1. Something may sound good at first - but at repeated hearing you realise, it is not so great. Have you ever been to a gallery and seen a painting you thought was fabulous - and then a few days go by and you see it a again or you even buy it and then realise it really is rather ordinary? That's all I am saying. 2. MP3 320 doesn't sound awful - I never said. I didn't think it was easy to tell the difference. But why should we accept a lossy format, when we can have flac - which is undoubtedly truer to the recorded sound? I don't think we should just "be happy about it". -- marlowe marlowe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Distortion
Pete W;334996 Wrote: > > I just hooked up my Duet and with most songs I have horrendous > distortion at moderate listening levels. It is especially bad in the > Live Archives but is present on all stations. I have the Duet going > into a Monarchy DIP to a DAC and there is so much crackling and popping > it verges on unlistenable. > > Could someone please tell me how to fix this. I'm hoping and praying > there is one. The key with diagnosing these things is to eliminate potential causes one at a time. As ModelCitizen says, try the duet analogue outs. If you don't hear the crackling, that eliminates the source files and most of the Duet internals. Next I'd try removing the DIP. I'd also carefully check all cables and their connections. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Nonreality;335082 Wrote: > It's not that bad at all anymore. We should all be happy about > it. Maybe I have not followed the thread closely enough, but I don't think many stated that MP3s, especially at 320k, sound very bad. They do sound pretty darn awesome. Heck, I am downloading quite a bit of stuff from Deutsche Grammophon at 320k, stuff that can't be readily obtained as a CD anymore and I can instantly download it, and it sounds great, and it is the *music* that matters. However, many people stated they chose to base their collection on FLAC, and not MP3. Yo may read that as an attack against MP3 audiophile merit, but it isn't - the main reasons for that are not about sound quality, but per bit, in most cases. I think 256k and 320k MP3s sound great. I think on many recordings it is impossible to tell them apart from the lossless coding (be it FLAC or others). On some recordings one will hear a subtle difference due to artifacts (and I am here to maintain that at 320k it is ever so slightly so), be it flattering or not. Would I rather have Deutsche Grammophon release their stuff as FLAC? Yes. But I'd rather just enjoy the music that is there and enjoy it. The MP3 certainly beats the quality of an old Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli analog LP I own that unfortunately got scratched ages ago, and that I care about! -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Nonreality;335082 Wrote: > Oh come on now, you liked it in mp3 because it sounded good to you. > That is all that matters. No big deal. I'm sure the flac sounded good > to you too. That is all I'm saying here. Mp3 has improved a lot and > the people that continue to say things like it's unlistenable are just > being silly. It's like pulling teeth for some people to admit it > sounds fine at the right rate. I've found it funny that some people > that have said the boom sounds very good are ones that can't stand mp3 > on there home systems. I know that mp3 on their home system sounds at > the very least as good as the boom. I know I'll hear the one about how > their fantastic home system brings out the flaws of mp3's and all that > but really folks, it's got to be better than the boom no matter how > good it is and I really think that it is good. It's all good and I'm > just trying to get you to lighten up on mp3 or any good lossy. It's > not that bad at all anymore. We should all be happy about it. I'm not sure I follow your argument. I only stream FLAC to Boom and SB...because FLAC is what I have and I have no need to transcode to MP3. I think that 320 MP3 sounds fine. I can't reliably tell a difference between 320 Mp3 and FLAC. I'm NEVER going to use mp3 as a storage method - for the exactly the same reasons as why I am never going to store my photos as jpegs! I have no issue with mp3 - I just don't need or want to use it. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
JimC;284588 Wrote: > The rule of thumb often used by most analysts is that for the average > high-tech company MSRP is generally 3X product cost. (My wife used to > work in Investor Relations, so I cribbed this from her). > > This means a $99.99 product from a high-tech company is assumed to cost > about $33 to build. By this rule, a cable with $15 product cost should > retail for something closer to $45. > > Since I work for a publicly traded company in the high-tech sector, I > can't comment on the validity of the 3x number. She was pretty adamant > that the analysts used it across the board in estimating product costs > and that they felt it was pretty accurate, at least for typical > high-tech companies. > > FYI, in the world of products, gross margin % is calculated as: > > Gross_Margin$ / Total_Sales > > So for $15 cost and $300 sell price, the gm% is (300-15) / 300 or 95% > gross margin. > > > -=> Jim Umm no that is not right. Gross margin is the percentage of what you make of the selling price. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
zanash;284194 Wrote: > sorry for the long quote .. > > I'm inclined to agree with most of this but not all ...its the best > explaination that tallies with my experience ...and writen better than > I could !Is this an ad or spam? Trying to figure it out. Not your part but > your quote. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
radish;334952 Wrote: > Hang on - audiophiles have to have certain taste in music now as well? > Is there a list somewhere you could point me to of genres my > Transporter is allowed to play? > > Just trying to stay on the straight and narrow. Ta muchly! Why of course there are lists of "Audiophile" approved music. Two of the more famous of these lists are: 1) The Absolute Sound's "Super Disc List" compiled by Harry Pearson and 2) Sterophile's "Records To Die For" list It should be noted that listening to some of the music recommended on these two lists has be known to cause, among other things: headache, migraine headache, depression, divorce, excessive tweaking and an unnatural love for Swedish jazz and second rate James Bond films. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
seanadams;284320 Wrote: > WHO CARES what the part cost or the markup is? Then dang thing is so > poorly made that at best it'll barely work, and it worst it'll burn > your house down. Conductors pinched in the connector housing - come > on! > > This product is absolutely worthless, is illegal to sell without UL > approval (which it could NEVER get), and frankly a danger to own. He > could have put all the labor, love and care, and garden hose in the > world into it, but the end result is garbage. > > But don't ask how I really feel about it. :)One of the sensible posts. So a > 4ft (maybe I should read the article but with power cables why?)power cable will fix any problems in the rest of the house and the lines getting it there. Actually it's kinda cheap for this kind of scam. I do hear that your toaster and microwave will run better after installing this on your amp. Has anyone ever took apart a 1000 dollar one and felt good about it. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
bigfool1956;283885 Wrote: > Pity about the newspaper style percentage. If something costs you $15, > and you direct retail it for $300, that's 95% profit, not 2,000%. > > If you think different, then you are the corporate tax man's friend, > and I'm not employing you to do my company's accounts :))) By who's accounting? Doubling your money is a 50% markup. Your profit margin is 50% of the selling price. The reality is I wouldn't want to be your customer as I'm sure you would say there is no profit to the tax man anyway as you marked it up to 300. In your example that would be a 500% profit margin. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
marlowe;334826 Wrote: > OK. Apology accepted. I'll elaborate. I wasn't as much trying to figure > out what sounded better than as much what was not lossles (to see if I > could tell a difference at all). I figured that the "firmnes" of the > sound of what was the MP3-files was lost in the files that were flac. I > was wrong. It was the "fussiness" or "air" that got lost, so that the > sound became "firmer"! Which actually sounds better, I don't think I > could tell from listening 5 times to 2-3 minutes of a recording. I > think it takes a different approach to find out - longer listening > periods. > > But even if MP3 sounded better to me (and I don't know if it does) I > don't think I'd choose MP3. Not because "I must be wrong" (you can't > be, when it comes to a purely personal preference), but because I > prefer to think, that whomever made the recording made it sound the way > he/she wanted it to. I should not try to alter that, but try to > reproduce it as faithfully as possible. It is a bit like I would not > try to improve a Mozart sonata either (which is purely theoretical of > course). You might play with it (like Gried did to some Mozart sonatas > or like Liszt or Busoni did to some other works), but then you are no > longer listening to Mozart, however much you enjoy it, and even if it > may be a great work of art in itself. I am possibly giving some > recording engineers more credit, than due is, though, I admit. > > Hope it all makes sense. Oh come on now, you liked it in mp3 because it sounded good to you. That is all that matters. No big deal. I'm sure the flac sounded good to you too. That is all I'm saying here. Mp3 has improved a lot and the people that continue to say things like it's unlistenable are just being silly. It's like pulling teeth for some people to admit it sounds fine at the right rate. I've found it funny that some people that have said the boom sounds very good are ones that can't stand mp3 on there home systems. I know that mp3 on their home system sounds at the very least as good as the boom. I know I'll hear the one about how their fantastic home system brings out the flaws of mp3's and all that but really folks, it's got to be better than the boom no matter how good it is and I really think that it is good. It's all good and I'm just trying to get you to lighten up on mp3 or any good lossy. It's not that bad at all anymore. We should all be happy about it. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
