Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
bhaagensen;379273 Wrote: It requires an infinite summation. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whittaker%E2%80%93Shannon_interpolation_formula. It requires in a given time a minimum number of discrete, equally spaced samples. The number of samples for perfect interpolation/recovery is determined by the bandwidth of the signal to be recovered. 44,100 samples per second are required to recover 0Hz-22,500Hz. The Sigma (sum) across +/-infinity refers to recovering information for an infinitely long period of time... because the formula in question is trying to recover a continuous result (the audio signal in this case). bhaagensen;379273 Wrote: Are you saying that sound is not continous? Please explain. In the ear/brain interface the vibrations of air molecules are bio-mechanically amplified and then transformed into a series of discrete electrochemical PULSES (not a continuously changing voltage or current!) - by the special inner hairs of the cochlea - which are somehow interpreted by the brain as continuous sound... hmmm. That sounds familiar! Recently digital cochlea implants have been developed that are essentially ADC's - and they work very, very well. Nerve endings (10 per ear-hair in this case) are not analogue in design - they respond to/generate a binary state change (on/off) not a continuously changing signal. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with sssssibilance
As Phil says, the low-freq steep is way too high (70Hz) and way too steep to be a matter of cables and/or source/amplifier/speakers. It looks more like a room acoustics/placement problem to me. Perhaps your speakers are too near/too far from the surrounding walls ? -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379377 Wrote: I wasn't especially meaning to focus on the 24/192 thing, just the concept of a displayless Transporter, either cheaper, or with fancier/better DACS upsampling whatever. Other products like the Linn Sneaky DS are now appearing at, in fact below, the Transporter price bracket with on the face of it higher spec DACs and performance, so I'm interested in whether the Transporter will evolve to meet this competition. Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one poster points out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? I see. So which would you really prefer, a more expensive TP that pushes the power supply section and the DAC to the limits or a stripped down TP that is much less expensive but with a DAC slightly better then the Linn? On the stripped down side, are you not really describing using a DUET with whatever high dollar DAC has the sampling rates of your choice? I mean, if its going to be used for the digital output and you want the Controller with a processor without a display, isn't that the DUET in a nutshell. Suggestion: Pair a DUET with a Dodson 263 Digital Processor. Or push the limits with the Dodson 218 Digital Processor. I have a Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital Processor that is about as close to Audio Nirvana as I have been with my Transporter as its source. An SB3 or Duet/SBR driving the Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital Processor sounds excellent also. The killer combination that my ears have had the pleasure to listen to was a Transporter driving the Dodson 218 Digital Processor. Everything was present from the fullest bass through the most accurate revealing midrange on to the clearest highs with the only issue being the combined $10,000 price tag. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I wasn't especially meaning to focus on the 24/192 thing, just the concept of a displayless Transporter, either cheaper, or with fancier/better DACS upsampling whatever. Other products like the Linn Sneaky DS are now appearing at, in fact below, the Transporter price bracket with on the face of it higher spec DACs and performance, so I'm interested in whether the Transporter will evolve to meet this competition. Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one poster points out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I like the displays and I certainly don't want a high-dollar Transport with self contained amps (Boom excepted). -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
bhaagensen;379273 Wrote: Are you saying that sound is not continous? Please explain. This is something that's been bugging me for a while. Quite often, example of western movie wagon wheels going backwards are used to explain aliasing. Now, I have never heard a good explanation as to why we can still see that phenomenon alive (on Calgary stampede for example) if our visual senses are absolutely analog. To me, it looks like there's some ADA conversion going on between our eyes and our brain without very good filtering applied :) K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
The eyes see a fixed number of frames per second. The appearance of continuity is an illusion, hence the wagon wheel effect. This is very obvious when you swing an artificial light in the dark, you can actually see the jumps. I used to work in an office with a lot of CRT monitors and sometimes when I coughed they would all appear squiggly for this reason I believe. (Before anybody asks, no, I didn't do a blind test. :^] ) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
Hi All. First post here.. I have recently replaced my MF XRay CD player BW CDN1T, Audio Lab 8000 pre/power combo and gone the SB/FLACS/Active speaker route. That's my calibration point. I have also enjoyed NAIM of late and was so, so close to going the SuperNait/BW 805s route, also with Squeeze box. (only my wifes prudence, and the thought of our two year old with little cone crunching fingers prevented this) All of a sudden running modestly priced active speakers with minimal wiring/additional remotes/ancilary boxes, became far more appealing. So instead I now run a Tranquil WHS feeding mixture of FLACs and 320s to an SB classic into A2s in kitchen; and a SB Duet into A5s plus a new Velodyne SPL 800 Ultra sub in my lounge. Audiophile quality? Depends on your definition. The sound is very pleasing to most who have auditioned and praised in comparison with my previous set ups. I am experimenting with A5 positioning, toe-in and tilt, but they punch and charm well above their price band in my lounge with a mixture of music genres. The velodyne sub, with built in EQ has integrated very well and 'disappeared' into the music at saem time really adding punch and timbre when appropriate (this box is worth a post on it's own). But, I (plus wife) have been really enjoying listening to music again and rediscovering loads of old stuff, plus new stuff too. 'No-Man' Schoolyard Ghosts, stuns; Led Zepp rocks; Grieg soars; Sinatra croons. Isn't that what it is about? For wife factor, the simple minimal installation of active speakers is a winner - we have cable tidy Q stands, two white A5s, one power lead, and that's it. The Velodyne is sort of discreet, and all leads drop down into celler below through floor boards. The A2s are as described elsewhere -actually very sweet sounding and pleasing. Exceptional value too. Upgrade bug will doubtless call and the AVI 9is seem worth auditioning as do the Dynaudio MC15 active speakers. I may experiment with other DACs. Powered speakers are deffo not just for the near field listening experience or computer games. Audiophile or not, I think they can give many 'true HiFi' component multi-box systems a very good run for the money. And for £200 the Audioengine A5s offer an amazing price/performance proposition that the press reviews hinted at. Thanks for reading. -- turbot fiend turbot fiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22691 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 + Cambridge DacMagic ($400) Review
yes, use digital output of SB3 either coaxial or toslink s/pdif to the dac. -- auronthas Auronthas Tajima Power Conditioner #61614; Squeezebox 3 / Cambridge Audio 540C V2 #61614; VDL The Source (CA) / AQ Copperhead (SB3) #61614; Krell KAV-400xi #61614; Chord Carnival Silver Plus / VDL Goldwater (current) #61614; Sonus Faber Concertino Domus #61614; Supra 2.5 LoRad power cord (CA Krell) iMac 2.4 Ghz, 4GB DDR RAM, Mac OS X 10.5.6 - SC Official 7.3.1 Version: 24372 (23 Dec) - Firmware : 121 ' A u r o n t h a s ' s B l o g ' (http://auronthas.blogspot.com) ::My Recent Tracks Played:: ' [image: http://imagegen.last.fm/itunesrecent/recenttracks/auronthas.gif] ' (http://www.last.fm/user/auronthas/?chartstyle=itunesrecent) auronthas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 + Cambridge DacMagic ($400) Review
auronthas;379385 Wrote: yes, use digital output of SB3 either coaxial or toslink s/pdif to the dac. I'd recommend a 1.5m coax spdif cable between SB and DAC. cost is not a factor but length is! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379238 Wrote: How long will it be before the Transporter goes through the same evolution, and we get a Transporter 2, where the Transporter is in an adequate box, but has no fancy display and comes with the Duet remote. as well as perform better? No. . -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with sssssibilance
Themis;379419 Wrote: As Phil says, the low-freq steep is way too high (70Hz) and way too steep to be a matter of cables and/or source/amplifier/speakers. It looks more like a room acoustics/placement problem to me. Perhaps your speakers are too near/too far from the surrounding walls ? are there a lot of windows in the room? how big is the room and what are its dimensions (height/width/depth)? What is the floor made of? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How best to upgrade by system
Ok, I read lots of reviews which say that the AVR280 out-performs the old AVR300 by a long way. So I went ahead and now have a shiny new AVR280. Along with a new Cambridge DacMagic DAC for my SB3, the stereo sound from this amp is much more musical than my old Denon AVR (which is for sale if anyone would like it!). I've got the new one bi-amped to my KEFs using QED bi-wire cables, which made a good difference too (tried it standard bi-wire first, and then bi-amped, and the bi-amped definitely has better bass response). I'm still intrigued about the Audiocom Digital Upgrade for SB's advertised on eBay. How can you upgrade te Digital side? Surely all the SB is doing is passing-through FLACs/WAVs to the external DAC, which would always be bit-for-bit perfect? Anyone tried this and knows if it made a worthwhile difference? -- swarduk swarduk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
darren, the bulb is switching at 50Hz or 60Hz depending where you are in the world, as are CRTS, hence the flicker. If you turn the bulb off and swing it, no flicker. The frequency at which a flickering source is perceived as continuous is called the flicker fusion frequency and starts to kick in around 16Hz though varies with brightness, fatigue and even the bit of retina the image falls on, which is why some people can notice the flicker from stataionary tvs when they are on the edge of their visual field. The flicker is really there. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I have no strong feelings either way, I was just interested in whether people think the Transporter will evolve, and if so to what, or whether development is over. Perhaps things will go another way - there are now applications available that let you drive a Linn DS from Squeezecenter, so perhaps other high-quality networked DACs will appear along the same lines. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How best to upgrade by system
Swarduk, Did you upgrade the AVR280 and the DAC at the same time? If not, can you give us some details on how you feel each component separately impacted the sound? Also, in your opinion, which one made the biggest difference in sound quality? -- morsejeff morsejeff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18805 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379377 Wrote: Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one poster points out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? Open Source development doesn't fit with the Logitech mould either, but we have that. I don't know if Logitech ever has beta development programs, but we've had two here, the Controller which was discussed in public and the Boom which was a private development until the official announcement. So you could say the whole of the SlimDevices, or indeed the Streaming Media Division is not part of the Logitech mould :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How best to upgrade by system
The AVR280 and the DacMagic use the same D/A converter chip. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
JezA;379619 Wrote: darren, the bulb is switching at 50Hz or 60Hz depending where you are in the world, as are CRTS, hence the flicker. If you turn the bulb off and swing it, no flicker. I can't remember where I saw this, it was some science museum or the like using a DC powered light. As I said, we perceive discrete frames and, as I said, this can be seen as the light appearing to jump in space. Sorry my memory is fuzzy. I remember my surprise but not the details. :) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
RGibran;379245 Wrote: From JA's Stereophile review of the Squeezebox... Comparing the original CD on the Ayre C-5xe disc player, its digital output driving the Levinson DAC via a 1m DH Labs AES/EBU link, with SlimServer feeding an Apple Losslessencoded file to the Squeezebox with its digital output feeding the Levinson via the AudioQuest OptiLink-5, I was hard-pressed to hear much of a difference. Thanks RG for answering my original question since I had (very conveniently) forgotten about this part of JA's SqueezeBox review. Now here's the catch: JA was listening to the playback of an Apple lossless file which I pretty sure is decoded to a wav at the server and then streamed to the SB3 rather than say a flac file which would be streamed as a flac file to the SB3 and decoded to a wav file by the SB3. Would it make any difference in the final sound quality? I would think not but who knows. Also note that he still seems to feel that somehow the SB3/Levinson DAC combo is somehow unworthy of playback for serious listening even though is his ears seem to be telling him otherwise. As I stated earlier, if the $300 SB3 could do the same, or better, job than a $6K CD transport then the high end audio house of cards might just come tumbling down. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
darren, a torch or flashlight is a dc powered light. Pretty sure if you wave it about in the dark it won't flicker. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
iPhone;379546 Wrote: I see. So which would you really prefer, a more expensive TP that pushes the power supply section and the DAC to the limits or a stripped down TP that is much less expensive but with a DAC slightly better then the Linn? Personally, I would prefer a killer digital transport. A dac is more of a personal choice, imho. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I can't see that there will be one. There will be a lot of companies joining the streaming devices bandwagon, and I suspect that Logitech would make a lot more money by licensing the streaming tech to audiophile companies than by making the hardware themselves - could they really improve on the Transporter? Oh and 24/192 is clearly a necessity, but for marketing purposes only, and the dual display is better than the Duet (although not as good as the dual display -plus -the Controller!) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, dCS Purcell, Ack Dac, Audion Quattro, Welborne DRD 300Bs, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with sssssibilance
I'll chime in with Phil on this. How big is the room? What are the materials carpeted floor, or hard wood? How are the speakers setup how far off the back wall measured from the back of the speaker, how far apart are they inside edge to edge? How far away are you sitting? Are there lot's of windows are they covered, drapes or wood shutters? Also things like coffee table in front of speakers or any hard surfaces near the speakers? I would also suggest as for placement try starting with the speakers facing straight ahead no toe in. See if that helps, some speakers will get brighter as you toe them in. Also your height relative to the tweeters will change the tonality, also SF speakers like a certin amount of rearward rake, try starting out with them level then add a little rake as you go. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with sssssibilance
Phil, Themis, The room is 4.5 x 5m, 2.3m high. There is 1 full height window about 1.5m wide in the centre of the longer wall. The speakers are placed 2m apart in the centre of the shorter wall and 0.5m into the room. The floor is joist suspended and fully underlaid and carpeted, walls are lath and plaster (very old house). 2 large couches occupy the room (with too many cushions for my liking) and heavy curtains around the window. I think it's a pretty average room, not at all minimalist, but it is rather square. I've sent the room plot to my dealer for comment, no reply as yet. In the meantime I'll attempt to set the speakers up in the back room which has a similar floor area although much more rectangular. I need to find out if it is the room or a problem with the kit, although I can feel room correction coming on - Tact, Lyngdorf, inguz anyone? Not so easy this Hi-Fi lark! -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with sssssibilance
ErikM;379711 Wrote: I'll chime in with Phil on this. How big is the room? What are the materials carpeted floor, or hard wood? How are the speakers setup how far off the back wall measured from the back of the speaker, how far apart are they inside edge to edge? How far away are you sitting? Are there lot's of windows are they covered, drapes or wood shutters? Also things like coffee table in front of speakers or any hard surfaces near the speakers? I would also suggest as for placement try starting with the speakers facing straight ahead no toe in. See if that helps, some speakers will get brighter as you toe them in. Also your height relative to the tweeters will change the tonality, also SF speakers like a certin amount of rearward rake, try starting out with them level then add a little rake as you go. Erik, thanks, Most of this is answered in my post to Phil and Themis. I sit about 3.5m away from the front of the speakers and they are, at the moment, facing straight ahead but I have had them toed in. Sitting down I'm about ear level between the tweeter and mid range and the speakers are raked backwards. Thanks for your suggestions - I'll have a fiddle tomorrow. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56992 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bw 683?
Does anyone have listening experience or currently own the BW 683s? I have a lot of experience with (someone else's, unfortunately) 804s, and looking at paper specifications, the big difference between the two is the top mounted tweeter, matrix braced cabinet, and Rohacell vs. Aluminum/Kevlar/Paper bass drivers. Oh, yeah, and a ton of cash. Anyway, I'm really impressed with the sound of the 804s, and while I know it won't be the same, the 683s are in my price range, get good reviews from everything I'm reading, and are the sort of large speaker I'm looking for to fill a good sized, vaulted ceiling room. I have a lot of flexibility in placement, so I can get them into/away from corners, or close to/away from walls as needed. I listen to a wide variety of music, from classical to 50s/60s jazz and on to popular stuff like Radiohead, Sigur Ros, and Mogwai, if that helps with comparison to what you bought yours for. So, if anyone has owned these in the past, or listened to them in compairson with some other similarly priced options, I'd be interested to know why you did or didn't buy. I have not managed to get out to listen yet, but it's on the list in the next week or so. As an added bonus, while I'm not looking to upgrade the amp immediately,(let's not get in to what I have right now, and focus on what I intend to buy in the future) I'd love to hear what people use to drive their 683s (or whatever they purchased instead.) I'm seeing some attractive Rotel options around $1000, but there are obviously more choices I'm not considering. With luck, I'll be able to edit that signature line soon... -- androidtopp My SB3 is the most expensive part of my stereo. So I'm not going to brag about it. And my SBB as well...Is it wrong that my alarm clock is worth more than most of my stereo components? I need to work on that. http://www.last.fm/user/androidtopp androidtopp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19681 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57719 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How best to upgrade by system
A significant upgrade of your system would be costly. Only small incremental gains would be realized with getting a better AV receiver, SB mod, DAC, etc. To raise the bar using a similar configuration, a dedicated AV preamp with balanced outs to powered speakers would be appropriate. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How best to upgrade by system
pfarrell;376983 Wrote: rant=on Real Audiophiles have a two channel amp. Not five or seven, and not a receiver. /rant Some Real Audiophiles have two one channel amps. ;) -- whoosh *Server*: Ubuntu 8.04 Server on Intel 1.66GHz Core Duo Mac Mini, 1GB RAM, 72GB internal for OS, 750GB Maxtor One Touch Firewire for media. SC 7.3.1~24372 *Main Audio*: SB Duet Audio Research LS2B mkII Audio Research VT100 mkII Soliloquy 5.3 *Work Audio*: SB Duet Jolida SJ801 NHT Super Zero's http://www.last.fm/user/megamucho whoosh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beresford DAC ... Who uses one and how good is it really ?
I've got a 6/3. Excellent. As mentioned, ignore the earlier reviews. The new USB version looks quite exciting as that apparently includes other upgrades like op amps etc. -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57619 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
