Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
What is a superdac? Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop - JVC UX-C30 / Sennheiser PX-100 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I wonder why the lower models in the DS range DO have a digital out? I wouldn't buy any of the DS'. £10k for a DAC I can't use with any other digital sources, (such as my dvd, sky box, pc soundcard, legacy cd player)seems a lot to pay. If they'd made it a DAC with plenty of inputs, including a buffered ethernet one for streaming, how much better it would be - perhaps they'll bring out such a digital pre-amp next. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
Phil Leigh;409815 Wrote: There is no... NO ... difference in audio quality using wired vs. wireless. Enjoy. there is if you don't have a good wireless signal ... i don't get dropouts with my wired connection :) And don't worry about the length of network cable unless you're going over 100m . -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers, SB3, Duet a Boom killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
Has anyone tried pointing out to the luddites that a CD player *IS* a computer? It's got an operating system CPU (control system), a soundcard (DAC), and a disk that provides the data (the CD itself). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
killie99;409934 Wrote: there is if you don't have a good wireless signal ... i don't get dropouts with my wired connection :) And don't worry about the length of network cable unless you're going over 100m . Buffer under runs causing drop outs is not the same as a reduction in audio quality. It most definitely is a reduction in the listening experience, but those snippets of audio you get when it's stuttering will be just as accurate whether it is wired or wireless. :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
sidetrack a bit, but does anyone ever open up the TP and peek into its internals and see what sort of components used? silver wiring/solder, cerafine caps, precision resistors, etc? ;p -- musicexpression musicexpression's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=28861 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?
Turning up amp will fix the volume problem, but not my main issues. Sound quality. There is a noticable difference from what i get playing CDs. I will try and borrow a DAC, test it out. It could be my rips, so i will rerip a few CDs and do some more listening tests. Thanks for the replies. -- efroy efroy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61755 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
Dropouts are not a normal situation IME. It shouldn't happen if you have a good signal and have chosen a non-crowded channel. Certainly I don't get any at all. (But I used to when on channel 11). Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop - JVC UX-C30 / Sennheiser PX-100 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?
Are you using balanced outs from the CD player? If not... If you rip a CD without level adjustment and play it back without replay gain with maximum volume it should sound approximately as loud through the SBR as through a CD player. If it sounds significantly quieter, I suggest strongly we should troubleshoot this problem before even _considering_ a sound quality comparison. It might be the symptom of a deeper problem with the unit or the set up. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop - JVC UX-C30 / Sennheiser PX-100 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61755 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
cliveb;409935 Wrote: Has anyone tried pointing out to the luddites that a CD player *IS* a computer? It's got an operating system CPU (control system), a soundcard (DAC), and a disk that provides the data (the CD itself). Good point. Computers as we know them all have the basic architecture of mass storage, volatile storage and processing unit (AKA discs/disks, RAM and processors). That doesn't look like it's about to change soon despite the odd mistaken forecast now and then. And certainly CD players fit that definition. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop - JVC UX-C30 / Sennheiser PX-100 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?
Unbalanced output from CDplayer. When I set volume to max on my SB controller the volume (used to have volume at 3/4) is getting closer but still a bit off the cdplayer output. A guesstimate (im not home now) i would say i have to turn volume up from 1/4 to a 1/3 to get the same levels. -- efroy efroy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61755 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
Wired connections are generally more reliable than wireless. If you look at the current high quality video home network offerings from telephone companies and cable companies (for VoD and multi-room DVR) - Verizon FiOS, ATT U-Verse, TWC, Comcast, France Telecom, Free (in France) - you will see that all these companies concluded that WiFi was not sufficient to deliver video around the home. They were essentially forced to use more expensive technologies like MoCA, HPNA (over coax) and HomePlugAV (over power lines). While Ethernet is ideal, it is not installed in many homes and requires pulling new cables - too costly for the telcos. Granted video has much higher bit rates and these service purposely trade-off buffering to enable much faster channel changing times. So wireless may be perfectly fine for moving 128 kbps mp3, but my FLAC audio files range from 600 kb/s up to 2Mb/s for 96/24 hidef files. Also consider the following, Wifi 802.11g as used by Squeezebox is a shared network. The physical speed is 54 Mb/s which according to the Wifi standard allows a maximum 50% throughput of ~27 Mb/s. That should be fine if every client is attached at 54 Mb/s. A Squeezebox running at 54 Mb/s would use 1/27th to transmit of the available airtime to transmit a 1 Mb/s FLAC. On the other hand, if the device is far from the Access Point, the same file will use 20% of the available airtime if the client SB only trains up at 11 Mb/s. That should be fine unless you do lots of peer-to-peer networking, video download, etc I ran a Gigabit Ethernet link between my SC server and the GE switch that connects my SBR and PS3. It's certainly overkill but has lots of room for growth :) -- aweitzner aweitzner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
musicexpression;409951 Wrote: but does anyone ever open up the TP and peek into its internals and see what sort of components used? Photos here: http://photos.lam.ws/gallery/1930618_nnKTm/1 -- Mark Lanctot Current: SB2, Transporter, Boom (PQP3 - late beta), SBC (early beta) Stored: Boom (PQP1 - early beta) Sold: SB3, Duet Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
I find that there are too many non-network, non-computer devices which affect the wireless signal: cordless phones and microwave ovens to name but two of the main culprits. Most of the time my Transporter, which is connected to the network wirelessly, works fine but I do pause the music whenever I need to use the microwave. Good thing that the microwave cooks fairly quickly. I also find that when syncing two or more devices that they become much more (by several orders of magnitude) susceptible to network interference. I consider the interference caused by microwave ovens to be one of SqueezeBox's dirty little secrets. Poor handling of large music libraries, as in greater than 5,000 albums, and SqueezeCenter memory creep, when running under Windows, to be some of the other dirty little secrets. But those are topics for another post. Now excuse me while I go and hide under the desk :) -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
darrenyeats;409965 Wrote: Last.fm, spotify etc show the streaming-media-from-cloud concept can work for a certain group of people. If that group of people expands into the mainstream then good old us - audio enthusiasts who want their own music server because they listen so much, or care about which masters, or listen to esoteric artists - will be lumped with the vinyl lovers. Darren Darren, You make some very good points but I think that from the audiophile perspective you forgot one really important point: while I love listening to last.fm and some radio stations via SqueezeNetwork I just can't tolerate the insanely low bit rate and resulting poor sound quality for any length of time. Even 128kps, which one rarely gets via SqueezeNetwork, is nowhere near the sound quality I get by streaming my own flac files. But then the mainstream has been sold on the lie that digital is digital, as is the case with satellite radio - CD quality my ass. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
darrenyeats;409922 Wrote: What is a superdac? Darren just my little joke :) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/94 doesn't work on transporter
Bump... Should I file a bug? I can make the problem flac available upon request. Thanks, John -- 2eleven Transporter 2 x 1959 McIntosh MC30 Monoblocks Proac Tablettes 3 SB3s various pieces of audio gear not worth mentioning 2eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: I find that there are too many non-network, non-computer devices which affect the wireless signal: cordless phones... Did Slim/Logitech assign broadcast frequencies for cordless phones and WIFI? ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: I consider the interference caused by microwave ovens to be one of SqueezeBox's dirty little secrets. You must be saying that Slim/Logitech is responsible for your microwave leaking radiation? Hmmm, mine doesn't, maybe you need a new one (and not just to protect your music) ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: Poor handling of large music libraries, as in greater than 5,000 albums I can't comment on this, my library is not so large, but I would say that if there is a system or software that is more to your liking, you should use that instead. ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: and SqueezeCenter memory creep, when running under Windows I don't have any problem running under Windows. I think Windows, in general, is guilty of this with any software, and has been throughout its product life. But again, that product is from a different supplier, not from this company. Memory is cheap, maybe you need to buy more. Or, maybe you would be happier with a different operating system. ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: But those are topics for another post. Now excuse me while I go and hide under the desk :) Yeah, under the desk might be a good place to stay. Keep your PC on top of the desk ;-) -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
Mark Lanctot;410004 Wrote: Photos here: http://photos.lam.ws/gallery/1930618_nnKTm/1 thanks for the eye-opening peektures almost 50% of the internals contains the all-important air :) since VFDs are inherently noisy devices that potentially enter into the audio path, why didn't SD look into the newer OLED devices??? but looks like the 802.11b/g pci card can be swapped to a draft N version... -- musicexpression musicexpression's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=28861 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
Goodsounds wrote: ralphpnj;410074 Wrote: I consider the interference caused by microwave ovens to be one of SqueezeBox's dirty little secrets. You must be saying that Slim/Logitech is responsible for your microwave leaking radiation? Hmmm, mine doesn't, maybe you need a new one (and not just to protect your music) Mine does, and I wondered about that too. It takes out various laptops, too... ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
You can't trust your ears. Maybe not for volume balancing but once you did that, your ears are the only thing you can trust. If they sound no different to you then why spend the money on the transformer. I'm sure it's great and with the proper system is worth every penny. But in your case I agree that you would be better served in saving for speakers in the future. It's all about what you like and not someone telling you what you should hear. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
CatBus;409405 Wrote: Hey, I'm a DBT-loving Luddite and I'm offended! Just kidding. I am actually a DBT-loving Luddite, but I'm not actually offended. Luddite is frequently a label that gets thrown at people who just have different priorities than much of society. We don't fear or hate technology, we just don't see what the big deal is. We actually like technology that fits our personal priorities. Take me. I'm a well-paid professional (in the tech industry no less) male in my thirties and have never had a cell phone. That fact alone brings conversations to screeching halts and starts people wondering if I ride a donkey to work. But here's the thing: I don't hate cell phones. I don't fear them. I simply have never NEEDED one. I already have a phone--it's at my house. If you need to get ahold of me while I'm out, I've got voicemail. If I need to get ahold of you, I'll go home and call you. All of my communication bases are covered as far as I'm concerned--no need for an upgrade. Also, FWIW my phone at home has a cord that attaches the handset to the base. I like it that way because it sounds better. No, really, no donkey. Now take your Luddite audiophile. They will buy a bag of magic rocks to make their amp sound better. They will buy green markers by the truckload. But they won't buy a networked music player. It's not as crazy as it sounds. Bags of magic rocks and green markers have a placebo effect (that's my DBT-loving side talking), don't actually make anything sound worse, and most importantly of all, they do not screw with any part of the tactile/emotional/nostalgic side of the listening experience. Networked music players do. An audiophile will tell you it's all about the sound, but they can identify their favorite albums by smell or touch. A networked music player makes music incorporeal. It does in fact get rid of part of their overall music experience, so they do not want it. Many, however, cannot square this with their belief that Hearing is the One True Sense, and they end up manufacturing fairly feeble attacks on the sound quality of networked players. It's not fear or hate so much as lack of understanding combined with the lack of any desire to learn more. Like iPhones for me. I wouldn't even recognize one if I saw it, and although a quick visit to apple.com could clear that up for me, I really don't care enough to even do that much. I like SqueezeBoxes myself. I've bought several. But I understand the joy of pulling an old cherished album out of its sleeve, and I know that I'm giving that up. There IS a downside. For me, the advantages simply outweigh that. Hell, dust allergies alone... Nice post. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless
spectrum analyzer for rent!!! ;) -- musicexpression musicexpression's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=28861 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61758 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
