Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

rbl;604044 Wrote: 
 Hmm - big thanks for looking into this and creating the 2 new files,
 which I installed and then rebooted the PC. Sadly InguzDSP.exe never
 ran again! The EQ user interface seems to work normally but no EQ sound
 processing. I reinstalled the original plugin.pm and custom-convert.conf
 from 3jan2011 and still no joy. There seem to be a bunch of errors in
 server.log which unfort make no sense to me at all. Any ideas? I am
 running SBS 7.5.1 on Win7. Oddly no new files seem to be being created
 in C:\Users\All Users\InguzEQ\Temp.

Yes - the error messages in server.log are a red herring. As Chris
pointed out, you need to edit the convert.conf file I supplied with
wordpad, replacing the mac addresses of my devices with those of your
devices.
You only need to do this once.

After that you need to restart sbs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

Griffin;604002 Wrote: 
 If you think that really does matter, than use toslink.

Yes it really matters and Toslink (which I do use for certain things)
has its own issues, so as always one has to try both and see which
actually sounds best...


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Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

darrenyeats;604000 Wrote: 
 It seems the length which every camp might find acceptable is 1.5m.
 
 What about optical cables - is length significant and why? I hear glass
 is better than plastic...any comments?
 
 So, coax versus optical on the SB Touch - does anyone have any
 comments?
 
 Regards, Darren

Darren, you simply have to try both and see which you prefer. There are
no hard rules, it depends on the DAC.

As for glass vs plastic... for the lengths we are talking about it's
irrelevant. I've used 5m cables with no drop-out/lock problems.

IMO the most important part of any Toslink is NOT the cable, it's the
connectors. If they aren't right, you can get significant transmission
loss.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-21 Thread stop-spinning

magiccarpetride;603946 Wrote: 
 There are 'experts' who claim that any and all perceived differences in
 the picture clarity between blu ray (a high definition format) and DVD
 (a mid definition format) are based merely on the expectation bias.

I can quite confidently say that the percieved difference between DVD
and Blu-Ray is 'easily' discernable, so I can only assume that people
that cannot tell the difference between these two have sight problem do
not have a large screen TV. I however agree when it come to audio though
- that 'can' be objective based on personal taste - but the difference
between DVD and Blu-Ray, well that's just plain obvious! Anyway, going
off track here...

I have heard a NOS DAC before using TDA1543 chips - my guess is without
being pefectly jitter free when comparing to a Benchmark - and that
sounded really good. So you either get the jitter free perfection or
just remove the oversampling, upsampling, and filter for sonic purity -
or in time perhaps BOTH ideals will merge. Either way, thanks for all
your help - I will be moving away from CD onto something similar to a
SB (haven't decided that it will necessarily be a SB yet) - then
perhaps to begin with, hook it into a NOS DAC for under £500 - and see
how I get on with that compared to what I have been used to before.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-01-21 Thread rbl

I did that and it now works. Yiha! A few notes and q's though

- why on earth did it work for several days in the first place (with
the incorrect MAC addresses)?

- I dind't update the Inguz version number as kryzs suggested (I have
the latest Inguz from Inguz's website installed)

- like youself I have two SB3s which are sync'd, so I updated
custom-convert.conf  with both MAC addresses. But I can only change EQ
settings from my main SB3. The secondary SB3 let's me load a different
preset but this has no effect. This second SB3 is the second set of
parameters in the custom-convert.conf file. This doesn't bother me at
all.

- the listen again doesn't work for me but this is a minor problem. But
I am puzzled that it works for you since Listen Again on AAC is broken
at the moment - apparently a problem with BBC. Frankly I only listen to
BBC live anyway. Not a problem.

Let me take this opportunity to thank you for your help keeping this
plugin alive!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

stop-spinning;604102 Wrote: 
 I can quite confidently say that the percieved difference between DVD
 and Blu-Ray is 'easily' discernable, so I can only assume that people
 that cannot tell the difference between these two have sight problem do
 not have a large screen TV. I however agree when it come to audio though
 - that 'can' be objective based on personal taste - but the difference
 between DVD and Blu-Ray, well that's just plain obvious! Anyway, going
 off track here...
 
 I have heard a NOS DAC before using TDA1543 chips - my guess is without
 being pefectly jitter free when comparing to a Benchmark - and that
 sounded really good. So you either get the jitter free perfection or
 just remove the oversampling, upsampling, and filter for sonic purity -
 or in time perhaps BOTH ideals will merge. Either way, thanks for all
 your help - I will be moving away from CD onto something similar to a
 SB (haven't decided that it will necessarily be a SB yet) - then
 perhaps to begin with, hook it into a NOS DAC for under £500 - and see
 how I get on with that compared to what I have been used to before.

Whatever you decide to do, don't confuse NOS DAC's and Sonic
purity!.


The music we are listening to mostly wasn't digitised with NOS ADC's so
there is no NOS purity to maintain.

You might prefer the sound of a NOS DAC - that's entirely your choice -
but there's no equivalent of the moral high ground for NOS DAC's to
occupy :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?

2011-01-21 Thread Mnyb

Can it not be dependent on the gear you are using some tos transmitter
and recievers are not fantastic they say ?

making the the optical interface having less bandwidth than the
electrical interface that's a pity it has potential to be significantly
faster.

But this info was absorbed trough hifi press :-/ I may be wrong or
this info was correct in the early digital age but things have moved on
and got better.

I often used tos to the cabel-tv box an elegant way to not need antenna
isolators for the hum loop.

It is probably wrong to dismiss it directly try what works best for
you.

OT is hdmi current loops and galvanically isolated ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-01-21 Thread krzys

rbl;604105 Wrote: 
 - I dind't update the Inguz version number as kryzs suggested (I have
 the latest Inguz from Inguz's website installed)
 
 
I edited my post and dropped this recommendation, forget it. It isn't
necessary since the only change between the 30 and 32 versions is the
plugin expiration date removal by Inguz

Chris


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

rbl;604105 Wrote: 
 I did that and it now works. Yiha! A few notes and q's though
 
 - why on earth did it work for several days in the first place (with
 the incorrect MAC addresses)?
 
 - I dind't update the Inguz version number as kryzs suggested (I have
 the latest Inguz from Inguz's website installed)
 
 - like youself I have two SB3s which are sync'd, so I updated
 custom-convert.conf  with both MAC addresses. But I can only change EQ
 settings from my main SB3. The secondary SB3 let's me load a different
 preset but this has no effect. This second SB3 is the second set of
 parameters in the custom-convert.conf file. This doesn't bother me at
 all.
 
 - the listen again doesn't work for me but this is a minor problem. But
 I am puzzled that it works for you since Listen Again on AAC is broken
 at the moment - apparently a problem with BBC. Frankly I only listen to
 BBC live anyway. Not a problem.
 
 Let me take this opportunity to thank you for your help keeping this
 plugin alive!

1) - not sure
2) - Chris has answered this
3) - Not sure - I only use Inguz on my Touch, not on my Boom
4) - iPlayer Listen Again works fine for me (with Inguz)
5) - listen live works fine for me, but inguz is not loaded - not sure
why exactly but is to do with the filetypes required for LISTEN LIVE

cheers
Phil


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-21 Thread stop-spinning

Thanks for that Phil.

I've been surfin' the net (probably a dangerous thing to do) about the
SB and notice various reviews and such like relating to better sounding
'modded' versions.. (there's even a highly modded SqueezeBox PLUS!); now
after all I am in the Audiophile section of the forum here so I ask...
is there any real benefit at all in modifying an SB especially if you
are using an external DAC? It seems that many are changing the power
supply for example.

I also quite like the idea of the new(ish) Consonance Wireless 1.0 D/A
converter - which allows you to stream music from your PC, plus it's a
TDA1543 DAC, plus if you want to you can plug it into another external
DAC of your choice. Quite an interesting idea from a brand that
concentrates on Hi-Fidelity first and foremost.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-21 Thread Robin Bowes
On 21/01/11 16:23, stop-spinning wrote:
 
 Thanks for that Phil.
 
 I've been surfin' the net (probably a dangerous thing to do) about the
 SB and notice various reviews and such like relating to better sounding
 'modded' versions.. (there's even a highly modded SqueezeBox PLUS!); now
 after all I am in the Audiophile section of the forum here so I ask...
 is there any real benefit at all in modifying an SB especially if you
 are using an external DAC? It seems that many are changing the power
 supply for example.
 
 I also quite like the idea of the new(ish) Consonance Wireless 1.0 D/A
 converter - which allows you to stream music from your PC, plus it's a
 TDA1543 DAC, plus if you want to you can plug it into another external
 DAC of your choice. Quite an interesting idea from a brand that
 concentrates on Hi-Fidelity first and foremost.

Whilst it's good to seek opinions before purchasing, sometimes there's
no substitute for actually listening yourself.

What sounds good to one mind (note: mind, not pair of ears) might not be
right for another.

If you have the chance of a cheap Duet, why not try it and see if you
like it? If you do, listen to some music and spend the money you saved
on something else.

If not, try a standard Touch. Again, if you like it... job done.

Really, there's a lot of crap spoken on these forums about what DAC is
best/better, what PSU makes a difference, etc. etc. The only person who
can tell you the real answers, and the only person that matters, is you.

Listen, and choose.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started

2011-01-21 Thread michael123

I think you will get much better sound **within your budget** if you
stick to headphones..


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started

2011-01-21 Thread aubuti

There's not much you can do within that budget, certainly not in the
Audiophiles forum. One option would be to forget about the T-amp for
now, and instead combine those funds with the speaker budget to buy a
pair of self-powered speakers such as the Audioengine 2 (A2, see
http://www.audioengine.org.uk/). That probably is a diversion from your
upgrade path to a surround system, but it may be the best fidelity
you'll find for your budget.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread jameswilcox

Hi to one and all,

I purchased a SB (Duet) a couple of years ago and it's now sitting in
the box as I wasn't happy with the sound.  I used the coaxial in the SB
to pump a signal to an external DAC (Beresford), thence to pre amp
(audio synthesis) amp (audio note) and speakers (audio note).

Of late I've been using a hi-face usb to coaxial thingy to take a
signal direct from my mac to the DAC, and not using the SB at all.  But
this means I have to have my mac sitting next to the DAC etc

Well I now miss the convenience of the SB and wondered if anyone has
any solutions for me so that I can pump my files in to the SB
non-wirelessly without having to have the physical connection of my mac
hooked up to the SB via my hi-face coaxial.  I think, at least
partially, the sound quality issues were to do with the use of a
wireless interface, which I'm keen to avoid.

Is there some additional piece of kit, like a storage devise of some
sort, that I could get to solve this issue that would pump a signal
direct to the SB?

Thanks for any advice.

Best regards,

James


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread aubuti

I'm probably not understanding something here, but if you want to avoid
the wireless on the SB Receiver why not just configure it to use the
ethernet port instead?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread garym

jameswilcox;604223 Wrote: 
 Hi to one and all,
 
 I purchased a SB (Duet) a couple of years ago and it's now sitting in
 the box as I wasn't happy with the sound.  I used the coaxial in the SB
 to pump a signal to an external DAC (Beresford), thence to pre amp
 (audio synthesis) amp (audio note) and speakers (audio note).
 
 Of late I've been using a hi-face usb to coaxial thingy to take a
 signal direct from my mac to the DAC, and not using the SB at all.  But
 this means I have to have my mac sitting next to the DAC etc
 
 Well I now miss the convenience of the SB and wondered if anyone has
 any solutions for me so that I can pump my files in to the SB
 non-wirelessly without having to have the physical connection of my mac
 hooked up to the SB via my hi-face coaxial.  I think, at least
 partially, the sound quality issues were to do with the use of a
 wireless interface, which I'm keen to avoid.
 
 Is there some additional piece of kit, like a storage devise of some
 sort, that I could get to solve this issue that would pump a signal
 direct to the SB?
 
 Thanks for any advice.
 
 Best regards,
 
 James

WIFI under virtually all circumstances has nothing to do with sound
quality. Bad wifi can cause dropouts, pauses, etc. but bits are bits,
and whether it arrives via wifi or ethernet, the audio quality is not
affected. So I suspect your initial problem with sound quality was not
the WIFI being used.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

garym;604233 Wrote: 
 WIFI under virtually all circumstances has nothing to do with sound
 quality. Bad wifi can cause dropouts, pauses, etc. but bits are bits,
 and whether it arrives via wifi or ethernet, the audio quality is not
 affected. So I suspect your initial problem with sound quality was not
 the WIFI being used.

+1 - sound quality not impaired by wi-fi. Must have been something
else...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started

2011-01-21 Thread zoqi

My plan is to the speakers 2nd hand, and I have seen some good offers on
for example Wharfedale Diamond 9. 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wharfedale-Diamond-9-1-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/150548282834?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_HiFiSpeakershash=item230d607dd2#ht_500wt_1156
(even cheaper than that in a lot of cases)
I reckon they would be quite decent for rear speakers later?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started

2011-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh

zoqi;604239 Wrote: 
 My plan is to the speakers 2nd hand, and I have seen some good offers on
 for example Wharfedale Diamond 9. 
 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wharfedale-Diamond-9-1-Main-Stereo-Speakers-/150548282834?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_HiFiSpeakershash=item230d607dd2#ht_500wt_1156
 (even cheaper than that in a lot of cases)
 I reckon they would be quite decent for rear speakers later?

yes they would be OK for rears at a later time... and OK for mains to
start with.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread jameswilcox

Thanks guys.  I take your point on wifi not being different to wired,
but the sound at least appears different in blind tests of me and
subjects. I do however think that the weak link in my system is my DAC,
which is no fault of the DAC as it's proportionally cheap vis a vis the
other components.

Ethernet is an option, but I'd still need to have a source, which is
currently my mac which is therefore on pretty much constantly.  


Is there a storage device out there that could hold the audio files and
pump this to the SB, sensa mac?

Cheers,

j


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB

2011-01-21 Thread aubuti

There are various NAS (network attached storage) devices that can run
SBS. Check in the 3rd Party Hardware forum. Or you could look at a
low-cost, low-energy server, such as a SheevaPlug or a small dedicated
server. Either would be more likely to give you more oomph for your
buck than a NAS.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started

2011-01-21 Thread zoqi

Thanks for the replies.
The audioengine A5 seems really interesting, though it does defeat my
purpose of getting speakers now which later can be turned into my
surround system. 
I'm gonna look more into some good 2nd hand deals of older, but still
good speakers.


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