Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Many records have a constant peep at ~16KHz, what is it?
Bytec;692487 Wrote: Thank you for your answer. It is sad that recording companies do such a sloppy work. They should have mandatory hearing tests otherwise they can't do their job properly. I have a normal hearing and I really do hear these technical flaws ... The same flaws are also audible in the sound of many movies. It is an age-related thing and also it depends on much loud noise you have been exposed to during your life. Most musicians have top-end loss, in some cases it can be severe. Over 40 or so being able to hear 15Khz is unusual. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
NoRoDa;692422 Wrote: How did you manage a double blind test with stock PSU and linear? Had to be difficult to arrange? REGArds ill post the details in a bit! -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
I remember a user named iPhone doing ADM measurements on the analog out of the old SB3 using stock or linear psu and the output signal was identical in either case. No one done that for Touch but I suspect similar results . Some thinker suspect that audibility of PSU is down to it's interaction with the rest of your hifi if your switcher is disturbing amps or DAC for example ? So it's hard to get universal results here, add many cult designers affection for design principles that makes equipment more susceptible to these kinds of problems that would not bother normal equipment ? OT: I think modding here and there does not accomplish as much, the device must be correctly designed from the ground up improve one detail and you face the next bottleneck, Hence the external DAC route :) I have an 3rd party PSU I bought to my SB3 it fits the Touch too , SB3 in Eu came with a really shoddy PSU , I suspected it did not even conformed to standards ? The late logitech SB3 and Touch comes with an much better switcher ( if you can believe that ). -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
Back to the original poster's question, it would be good if Jaime could tell us a little more about which Tannoy speakers he has, what size room they are being used in, and what type of music he listens to. Classical typically has much greater dynamic range than pop or rock, and given that there is little need to provide huge dynamic headroom to cope with peaks. IMO it is better to optimise the system around the volume level required in the room with the typical programme material to be used. My recommendation for the Rogue Chronus is based on it being a good sonic match for the SBT and Tannoys, as well as being a simple to use solution, but I suggest that the OP listens to a few amps before making a decision on integrated, pre/power or power amp only set ups for his system. Personally I think the SBT analogue outputs sound a little thin and two dimensional compared to my DAC so I think the preamp isn't going to be holding the sound back. Regards, Alex -- AlexM AlexM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Many records have a constant peep at ~16KHz, what is it?
Bytec;692487 Wrote: I have a normal hearing and I really do hear these technical flaws ... The same flaws are also audible in the sound of many movies. I'd say you are lucky enough to have well above average hearing (or are under 30). Too many front row rock concerts in the 60s and 70s (The Who surely did my hearing in) and normal age related high freq hearing loss would make hearing these flaws impossible for me. Recall the high freq ring tones that high school students were using. Students could hear just fine but 30+ teachers were oblivious. ;-) -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
Best Bang for buck is integrated Amps , nowadays preamps are not doing much once they had phono section mm and mc tone controls and stuff . Input selector and volume can reside in the amp , you may optimise the amp for this and for modest power this can actually be better ! separate pre and power only becomes necessary these days when it's start to outgrow the box with powerful amps. Box and PSU cost more than one thinks to do. I do not have any experience with big Tanoy speakers thou -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Many records have a constant peep at ~16KHz, what is it?
He found a pop record with cellphone interference in the fade out of a track :-/ Yes ageing I can still here slightly above 15k but not much . But on the other hand we can save disc space by resampling to 32kHz ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Many records have a constant peep at ~16KHz, what is it?
garym;692525 Wrote: I'd say you are lucky enough to have well above average hearing (or are under 30). Too many front row rock concerts in the 60s and 70s (The Who surely did my hearing in) and normal age related high freq hearing loss would make hearing these flaws impossible for me. Recall the high freq ring tones that high school students were using. Students could hear just fine but 30+ teachers were oblivious. ;-) My age is 30 now, but I hear well above 16KHz. All my life I've tried not to damage my hearing by avoiding too much exposure to loud sound. I hate ringing in my ears after a loud event... Sometimes I wear ear plugs. I do sometimes look at the spectrograms of recordings to confirm what I hear but not the other way around. -- Bytec Bytec's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17676 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Many records have a constant peep at ~16KHz, what is it?
Bytec;692534 Wrote: My age is 30 now, but I hear well above 16KHz. All my life I've tried not to damage my hearing by avoiding too much exposure to loud sound. I hate ringing in my ears after a loud event... Sometimes I wear ear plugs. I do sometimes look at the spectrograms of recordings to confirm what I hear but not the other way around. That's very wise, it is usually hard to convince youngsters that you should where earplugs at work etc and you never ever pull them out in a noisy environment. Try telling an 18 yo old to wear his earplugs they are more likely to increase the volume on the iPod to mask the noise :-( -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93787 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
Jusr moved my Dali mentor menuets a further 12 inches towards the side walls. will this have a major negative effect or will it improve the stereo imaging and soundstage ? Its quite a narrow room -- tank121 Squeezebox touch Squeezeplug running on Dockstar Audiolab MDAC Arcam A85 amp Chord rumour speaker cable Dali Mentor Menuets on Custom Design stands Room 2 Boom Bedroom RADIO tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
what do your ears tell you? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
12 inches is a lot to move them all at once. But, really, the only one that can answer your question is you. Move the speakers too far apart and you may (I repeat, may) lose imaging---or you may improve it. Most folks use certain tracks---especially ones with a clear center voice---a la Diana Krall, etc.) so that you can relatively easily determine whether a voice that's supposed to be hovering in mid-air/centered between your speakers actually does. I've certainly found that an inch or so will make a definite and noticeable difference in pulling a voice off to one side or another (assuming the listening position is also centered). The other variable here is that not all recordings put the main instrument or voice dead-center, so you have to watch that so you don't precisely and lovingly place your speakers using a recording that's not centered and then have the other 90% of your recordings sound off. Best thing to do, if you can, is start with your listening position at an equal distance from each speaker if possible. There are mathematical computations you can do to set speaker and listening distance separation if you prefer something more empirical. I believe Cardas has a computational method out there on the web somewhere if you search. However, rooms are different and even the mathmatical models may only provide you a starting point. Having a laser measurment device or the cheap alterntive: string (but it's stretchy) helps in order to get some precision. If your chosen starting point isn't satisfactory, move the speakers inward or outward an inch at a time until the voice starts to move off-center and/or you start to feel the soundstage getting constricted. You can also experiment with toeing the speakers in--again in increments. Your particular speakers may have a wide or very narrow band of positioning in which they will project a nice spacious image with a voice remaining centered. Again, only experimentation will tell. Last thing I can say is that it can take a lot of time (and a bit of frustration) to get it right---definitely helps to have a willing partner. I find I get listening fatigue after an hour or two and, if you think you've got it right and aren't 100% convinced, sometimes it helps to wait overnight and come back to it the next morning after you're ears are refreshed. -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Teddy Pardo PS, Touch (wired) Toslink Rega DAC LFD LE IV Signature amp VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0, Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
I would try moving the speakers further away from the side walls. Also, you might want to look into some acoustic panels for the first reflection points on the front and side walls. ATSacoustics makes very cost-effective panels. http://www.atsacoustics.com/ -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
here http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/waspe.html http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/faq/audiophysic.html http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insightscontent_id=26pagestring http://gikacoustics.com/room_setup.php -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
get active speakers. they are superior to passive speakers. then go from SBTspeakers. sorted. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
Hi Mnyb i just realized today that your signature must have changed lately. Isn´t it? Using new Meridian DSP is like cheating! No wonder you don´t hear a difference with transports. These babies simply seem to work :) Congrats for the purchase! -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] new Decca and DG High Res downloads..
Not available in the United States. -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93779 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
