date:20120229


Ok, that must be why my portable radio sounds identical to my main hifi
then!!!

Personally I tend to go with what my ears tell me but it is based on an
intermediate level of electronics knowledge. I don't use spice modelling
and I've never chosen anything based on quoted distortion levels. What I
can tell you is that there most definitely is an audible difference
between cap type and or no cap in the signal path. What's being
discussed is attempting to overcome the known short comings of
electrolytic caps in the signal path.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps

2012-02-29 Thread Soulkeeper


Just a thought, is there anything that prevents a small DC offset from
being set in software? (Except for the loss of a bit or three in
resolution?)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps

2012-02-29 Thread JohnSwenson


If you are going to perform surgery on the Touch you are much better off
getting rid of or bypassing the output caps all together. The DAC chip
already has a circuit which provides a signal that has no DC bias,
there is no need for a cap on the output. I really have no idea why
there is one in the first place. The only thing I can think of is that
the engineer that added the caps thought the DAC had a DC bias on its
output since it just uses a single 5V supply. (BTW the DAC chip has a
switching DC-DC converter inside to make the negative voltage)

Because the cap has its + terminal connected to the DAC chip you want
to apply a negative voltage to the other side to properly bias it. 6V
should be about right. An easy way to do this is a 6V alkaline lantern
battery. Connect the + lead of the battery to GND of the interconnect,
then run a resistor from the - terminal to each signal wire. (that's
two resistors, one for each channel, the other ends connected to the
negative 6V) IF the amp has a film cap (or bipolar electrolytic) on its
input, that's all you need. IF the AMP is DC coupled you will need to
add a film cap to each signal channel. 

If you don't know what is on the input of the amp the safest bet is to
use the caps as well as the resistors, but if you know the amp already
has one, there is no reason to add another. 

You can play around with the resistor value. I'm going to say somewhere
between 10K and 50K. The higher the value the less current will flow
through the battery, which means a longer battery life. Higher values
have a little more noise so there is a tradeoff here. You can use
inexpensive resistors or expensive resistors, that's up to you. 

If you need the cap, that starts getting a bit more complicated. The
bottom end of the range is probably .5uf but you could also go up to
several uf depending on the amp input impedance etc. There is also a
huge range in price for different caps, from  20 cents to several
hundred dollars. Again I am not going to make ANY recommendation on
that. Just remember that there is already a cheap electrolytic coupling
cap in the chain. 

I was specifically looking at an article that was analyzing what
happens with an unbiased polarized electrolytic while varying the input
voltage from .1V RMS to 2V RMS. I don't remember exactly where it is, I
can't find it right now.

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ZMIX Converter Test(60 generations of AD/DA bounce)

2012-02-29 Thread Soulkeeper


Nice. 

The description of the methodology isn't perfect, but I see no
particular reason to doubt the result.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread probedb


I'm not even sure what you're asking?

What data rate are you talking about? What's the percentage you're
quoting?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread toby10


Are these network tests of two different SB server versions being run on
the same computer?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread bpa


IIRC the network Netest pluigin which implements the test was rewritten
in 7.6.  Not sure if the changes only applied to Squeezeplay.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-29 Thread evdplancke


I noticed that flac files after RC filtering are smaller than before.
How do you explain that? Does it mean that there is a loss in
resolution? My guess: it is probably due to bass and treble rolloff in
the target curve.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!


evdplancke;693210 Wrote: 
 I noticed that flac files after RC filtering are smaller than before.
 How do you explain that? Does it mean that there is a loss in
 resolution? My guess: it is probably due to bass and treble rolloff in
 the target curve.

Not sure what you mean... what files? - INGUZ runs in real-time and
takes input data (not files) and sends that data out to the player.
All data is piped through .exe processes in real-time - there are no
files involved.

How/where are you seeing these file sizes?

There is no loss of resolution in the Inguz process. The sample
rate/bitrate is unchanged (unless you use a special custom_convert.conf
like I do - in which case the data rate is increased!).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers

2012-02-29 Thread TheLastMan


item_audio;692989 Wrote: 
 Some crucial points there: I would add that taking speakers into someone
 else's room is a no-no: it pays to think of your speakers and room as
 two components of the same cabinet (which it is!) There's no substitute
 for listening to equipment in your own room and system, for an extended
 period of time, not just a 'flash' audition: very often, your opinion
 of/acclimation to a piece of equipment changes considerably in the
 first weekI agree, but I know of no dealer that will let you take home new, 
 boxed,
equipment to try. Most are loathe to loan demonstration equipment out to
customers as they may need it in the meantime.  However, a few will let
you buy and then return second hand kit that would otherwise sit on
their shelves.  The main thing is to build up a decent relationship
with a dealer.  Far better than saving a few quid by buying discounted
stuff on the internet and ending up disappointed.

Personally I found that my own speakers in the dealer's listening room
was a reasonable compromise. Better than listening to the amp via a
different brand or model in any case.

 1. Is it worth it to spend on a better DAC than the one you already
 have?He is going to be listening to compressed formats streamed by Spotify. I
would be very surprised if any DAC made an appreciable improvement. 
Different maybe, but better in any really obvious way? I doubt it. 
However, if he finds a decent dealer he should be able to find that out
for himself and not rely on the unreliable opinions of the likes of me!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread mashley


probedb;693197 Wrote: 
 I'm not even sure what you're asking?
 
 What data rate are you talking about? What's the percentage you're
 quoting?

I'm talking about the function in the menu using the handset network
Test

I'm using the same computer everything, to the transporter wirelessly,
the only thing I'm changing is from 

Squeezebox Server 7.5.1
I get (displayed) on my Transporter 100% at 3000Kbps on the network
test.

to

If I run LMS
I'm only getting 35% at 1500Kbps


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread zoldar


hi guys,

I m a big fan of the toolbox. So tried to uprgrade to 3.0. 

did the factory reset and went to work with soundchecks site.

only to find out that the toolbox does not unpack.


thisis what i get in putty

# ls
touchtoolbox3.0-LAN.tar
# tar xvf to*
/usr/bin/tt
#

now I have a bog standart touch :(

any suggestions?

oh touch firmware is 7.7.1


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread Recoveryone


Still confusing,   how are you running the network when you get 3000Kps?
A lot of factors are in play here.  Where is the LMS server located
from the Transporter?  How far is your wireless router from the
Transporter and Server?

A network test as I understand it, is the systems ability to stream
music at different Kps rate (someone chime in if I have it wrong), so
your 3000Kps vs. 35% is throwing everyone off.  Normally the percent
repercent the signal strengh of the wireless signal.  And at 35% is
very low and could cause issues streaming Flac files or other Hi res
music.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pink Triangle Ordinal with 24/96

2012-02-29 Thread simes_pep


Currently feeding my PT Ordinal (with 24 bit Filter module) with both
16/44 (from CD Transport  SB3) and 24/48 (from SB3) - however does
anyone use this DAC with a SBT or Transporter with a 24/96 stream?
Does it work?

If not then the upgrade to 24/96 ( beyond) needs a new DAC as well as
a SBT.
If so, then I can just upgrade to a SBT.

Thanks,
Simon.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


The last years we had some real progress in the lytics materials. A
Panasonic FC or FM, Rubycon Z and several others have extremely low
inner resistance, ESR and very high SRF these days. So if any
meaurements hint to high distortion i´d like to see some measurements
done with these new generation caps. I even think that replacing a new
generation lytic with a film cap with much lower capacity leads to
weaker sound.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


item_audio;693113 Wrote: 
 By way of getting at the core issues - because some of you guys have
 evidently thrown out the baby with the bath-water here - if your SB is
 connected via optical SPDIF to a DAC, do you believe it is possible for
 an upgraded power supply to make any difference?

No takers?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Data Rate Kbps

2012-02-29 Thread toby10


I'd also make sure that only one instance of SB server is running for
each test.  Verify through system processes that you don't have
multiple SB services running.

I'd also disable the UPnP/DLNA portion of LMS for a more accurate
test/comparison, if that might be causing an issue.

What are you trying to accomplish by comparing the two server versions?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread mlsstl


ralphpnj;693169 Wrote: 
 Here in the USA that unreliable of information is known as Fox News.
 Sorry but I just couldn't resist. Now back the normal audio discussion.
All the network news shows have their shortcomings. Who can forget NBC
and their infamous expose on how the gas tanks in GM pickups were
likely to explode and it turned out NBC had used explosives in the gas
tank to make sure they had good video. Or CBS's forged documents
relating to President Bush's Air National Guard service, with their
later excuse they were fake, but accurate. Then there was ABC that
faked part of their story on allegedly runaway Toyotas. 

I quit watching national news on TV a long time ago. A pox on all their
houses.

However, this thread on audio is contentious enough without expanding
the subject.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread adamdea


mlsstl;693254 Wrote: 
 All the network news shows have their shortcomings. Who can forget NBC
 and their infamous expose on how the gas tanks in GM pickups were
 likely to explode and it turned out NBC had used explosives in the gas
 tank to make sure they had good video. Or CBS's forged documents
 relating to President Bush's Air National Guard service, with their
 later excuse they were fake, but accurate. Then there was ABC that
 faked part of their story on allegedly runaway Toyotas. 
 
 I quit watching national news on TV a long time ago. A pox on all their
 houses.
 
 However, this thread on audio is contentious enough without expanding
 the subject.I think the most extraordinary one was the famous Disney wild life
documentary about lemmings which showed them jumping off cliffs because
everyone knows that they do, and it would be boring to have to wait
for them to do what we know they do; in fact it turns out that there
are other reasons why the lemming population varies sharply over time.
The lemmings in the documentary were specifically flown in and launched
of the cliff using a turntable!

I take your point about topic expansion; but we have established that
no one can find any coherent justification of the articles referred to
in the OP, so the topic seems to be dead.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


item_audio;693249 Wrote: 
 No takers?

Perhaps if you just spelled out what you are talking about instead of
being cryptic... Which is neither big or clever


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread ralphpnj


mlsstl;693254 Wrote: 
 However, this thread on audio is contentious enough without expanding
 the subject.

Agreed, which is why I did apologize for my brief lapse.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread darrenyeats

Where is MCR when you need him?

Both sides of the debate need to be taken to task.

On the digital side, those who claim converting lossless formats,
copying files, transfer over a computer network and so on, cause
differences are misinformed. The way digital computers and networks
work is absolute fact, more fact than the earth not being flat, for
example. To question it is more than wrong - it is literally nonsense.
In this context, asking for proof in this context including DBTs is
also nonsense. No proof is required, just understanding. We created
that world.

Outside of the digital arena, analogue-land, we are in the area of
empirical science. Test data must be gathered from the real world,
theories developed, and a search for contrary data starts. So for DACs,
the effect of power supplies and electrical noise (EMI or RFI), amp
distortion, etc, DBTs are valid. Of course a raft of measurements are
also available which provide excellent guidance for people deciding
what to listen to. As as been said, you can't follow up every crazy
audiofool idea (nearly lapsed into Mr T!)

As to which aspects of a computer's configuration could affect, even
theoretically, electrical noise in a consistent, qualitatively better
or worse way - there is also a lot misunderstanding about that too. And
the whole concept is probably moot given the number of electrical
devices, including computer hardware, installed in and around the
typical home.

I use a wifi Touch with an optical cable into Benchmark DAC1. This
means I don't have to worry about interconnect borne noise or jitter.
End of story. Obviously, the digital side is perfect. All that leaves
is power supply borne EMI, and RFI.

I am of the impression that DACs can sound subtly different even when
they're not supposed to. However, my impression is the differences are
unimportant compared to differences in room acoustics and loudspeakers.
Darren

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread guidof


zoldar;693233 Wrote: 
 hi guys,
 
 I m a big fan of the toolbox. So tried to uprgrade to 3.0. 
 
 did the factory reset and went to work with soundchecks site.
 
 only to find out that the toolbox does not unpack.
 
 
 thisis what i get in putty
 
 # ls
 touchtoolbox3.0-LAN.tar
 # tar xvf to*
 /usr/bin/tt
 #
 
 now I have a bog standart touch :(
 
 any suggestions?
 
 oh touch firmware is 7.7.1

Try WinSCP instead of PuTTY.

Guido F.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread ralphpnj


darrenyeats;693273 Wrote: 
 Where is MCR when you need him?

Aren't MCR (magiccarpetride for those who may not have figured that
out) and item_audio one and the same or, at the very least, brothers?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread darrenyeats


I make no such claim - but if so, they are at least different personas!

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread garym


darrenyeats;693277 Wrote: 
 I make no such claim - but if so, they are at least different personas!
 
 Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk

agree. item_audio has not used the term greasy or juicy or referred to
his woman


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garym;693278 Wrote: 
 agree. item_audio has not used the term greasy or juicy or referred to
 his woman

Chortle...
I must dig out my Shaft soundtrack (great album)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread ralphpnj


Phil Leigh;693285 Wrote: 
 Chortle...
 I must dig out my Shaft soundtrack (great album)

I think Shaft is quite appropriate since manufacturers use FUD to
basically give us the shaft.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread zoldar


thanx for your advice.

tried it:
/root$ tar xvf to*
/usr/bin/tt
/root$ tar xvf to*
/usr/bin/tt
/root$ ls
touchtoolbox3.0-LAN.tar
/root$ tar xvf touchtoolbox3.0-LAN.tar
/usr/bin/tt

what am i doing wrong? tried it on another laptop too. same deal.

no here is something that really bakes my  noodle

dowmloaded the old version and could unpack it, no problems. after
initialising I get this.


/root$ tt -s
[H[J
__

soundcheck's - SB Touch Toolbox 3.0 - 11/02/2011
__
For private and non commercial use only! Use at your own risk!

Modification WLAN:  enabled
Modification Watchdog:  enabled
Modification Jive2: enabled
Modification Buffer:enabled
Buffersize: 3400us
Modification Display:   enabled
Display current status: off
Audio outputs:  Digital: active
Modification Kernel:enabled
Modification Priority:  enabled
Modification hosts: enabled
Modification TCP/IP:enabled
Modification Infrared:  enabled
Modification Vollock:   disabled

__



whhaat? I just unpacket toolbox 2.0!   and it reads I just
initialised toolbox3.0?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread cfraser


For those of you that use an iGadget to control your SBT, do you use the
ssh app that Klaus recommends? Is it hard to use? I only want to do very
simple things, like turn the display on/off say, or tt -s to see how
things are. Does it work sort of like the command window in WinSCP
(what I use now)? Basically an ssh app for my iPod will only save me a
trip up/down the stairs to my desktop occasionally, so it's not a big
deal functionally, just don't want to buy something I can't really use
without a steep learning curve (like some of these progs have).
Thanks.

[I often use the SBT for internet radio etc. and don't want to
necessarily have a computer on. iPod ssh would allow me to do config
changes in that case.]


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread cfraser


zoldar;693289 Wrote: 
 ...
 
 what am i doing wrong? tried it on another laptop too. same deal.
 
 no here is something that really bakes my  noodle
 
 dowmloaded the old version and could unpack it, no problems. after
 initialising I get this.
 
 
 /root$ tt -s
 [H[J
 __
 ...

I recall similar from the last time I re-installed 3.0

You *must* reset the SBT. Klaus wasn't kidding. That cleaned up all the
garbage. Best to do a factory reset, get the latest FW if necessary,
then re-install 3.0...it will go very cleanly then.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?

2012-02-29 Thread tank121


Touch Belden based coax into Audiolabs m-dac


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread zoldar


cfraser;693295 Wrote: 
 I recall similar from the last time I re-installed 3.0
 
 You *must* reset the SBT. Klaus wasn't kidding. That cleaned up all the
 garbage. Best to do a factory reset, get the latest FW if necessary,
 then re-install 3.0...it will go very cleanly then.

hi

did a foctory reset twice and a firmware upgrade too. no such luck.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread PasTim


zoldar;693299 Wrote: 
 hi
 
 did a foctory reset twice and a firmware upgrade too. no such luck.

Two thoughts:
- are you at the top level directory? looks like you are at root user
level - you need to be at /

- might there be some permission problems?

I've never had a problem provided I've followed the instructions very
carefully.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


Phil Leigh;693259 Wrote: 
 Perhaps if you just spelled out what you are talking about instead of
 being cryptic... Which is neither big or clever

What do you find cryptic about this question, now on its third time of
asking:

If your SB is connected via optical SPDIF to a DAC, do you believe it
is possible for an upgraded power supply to make any difference?


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item_audio;693311 Wrote: 
 What do you find cryptic about this question, now on its third time of
 asking:
 
 If your SB is connected via optical SPDIF to a DAC, do you believe it
 is possible for an upgraded power supply to make any difference?

the question is straightforward, but there is a hidden implication. Why
should it matter if I connect a DAC via TOSLINK or Coax when evaluating
an upgraded PSU?

What happened to the baby and the bath water?

for what it is worth, using my external DAC connected via any method I
detect no difference at all with a very nice linear supply vs. the
stock supply.
This is backed up by ADM measurements that confirm no difference.
So no, I don't hear or measure any difference and I keep my Teddy Pardo
supply just to intrigue people who bother to read my signature
carefully.

Now, have you got anything useful to sell us?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


Wombat;693244 Wrote: 
 The last years we had some real progress in the lytics materials. A
 Panasonic FC or FM, Rubycon Z and several others have extremely low
 inner resistance, ESR and very high SRF these days. So if any
 meaurements hint to high distortion i´d like to see some measurements
 done with these new generation caps. I even think that replacing a new
 generation lytic with a film cap with much lower capacity leads to
 weaker sound.

When you say lower value film cap, what sort of value do you mean?

I've found that you can loose some bass and sound a little thin if you
go lower than 2.2uF. I never have an issue with 4.7uF.

I've extensively use all 3 caps types you mention but I've never tried
them for DC blocking.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread EricBergan


item_audio;693311 Wrote: 
 What do you find cryptic about this question, now on its third time of
 asking:
 
 If your SB is connected via optical SPDIF to a DAC, do you believe it
 is possible for an upgraded power supply to make any difference?

Probably because it really doesn't relate to the subject of this thread
- namely the TAS articles. I'd suggest you may get more response if you
start a new thread on your new topic.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread cfraser


^ Some people may have really cruddy/noisy AC power. A better linear PS
could help, typically just the isolation from the transformer itself
could be the main factor. I noticed the diff between the stock PS and
my custom one, but actually just using a decent *linear* wall-wart
(most unavailable in the U.S. now due to the efficiency law) gave me
most of the benefit that I could hear for very little cost. For all I
know, perhaps in Europe the typically higher housing density than here
(Canada), and the associated increase in noise from all the household
electrical/electronic gear could make a fancier PS more worthwhile
there.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


darrenyeats;693273 Wrote: 
 Where is MCR when you need him?
 
 Both sides of the debate need to be taken to task.
 
 On the digital side, those who claim converting lossless formats,
 copying files, transfer over a computer network and so on, cause
 differences are misinformed. The way digital computers and networks
 work is absolute fact, more fact than the earth not being flat, for
 example. To question it is more than wrong - it is literally nonsense.
 Asking for proof in this context including DBTs is also nonsense. No
 proof is required, just understanding!
 
 Outside of the digital arena, analogue-land, we are in the area of
 empirical science. Test data must be gathered from the real world,
 theories developed, and a search for contrary data starts. So the
 audibility of power supplies and electrical noise (EMI or RFI) is a
 valid subject of DBTs. Of course a raft of measurements are also
 available which provide excellent guidance for people deciding what to
 listen to. As as been said, you can't follow up every crazy audiofool
 idea (nearly lapsed into Mr T!)
 
 As to which aspects of a computer's configuration could affect, even
 theoretically, electrical noise in a consistent, qualitatively better
 or worse way - there is also a lot misunderstanding about that too. And
 the whole concept is probably moot given the number of electrical
 devices, including computer hardware, installed in and around the
 typical home.
 
 I use a wifi Touch with an optical cable into Benchmark DAC1. This
 means I don't have to worry about interconnect borne noise or transport
 jitter. End of story. Obviously, the digital side is perfect. All that
 leaves is power supply borne EMI, and RFI.
 
 I am of the impression that DACs can sound different even when they're
 not supposed to. However, my impression is the differences are much
 subtler than differences in room acoustics and loudspeakers.
 
 I've had the impression of differences in transports in the past, but
 never with anything I've plugged into the Benchmark.
 Darren
 

Little disagreement between us: philosophically/scientifically entering
Gödel territory, I don't feel quite the certainty you do about 'possible
causes', but I agree the digital argument for asynchronous storage and
data transfer currently looks chinkless.

However there's a clear line to be drawn between literally asynchronous
'storage' and live, dynamic playback. The former is a two-dimensional,
linear, predictable system that's very easily quantified. The latter is
a chaotic, intermodulating 'four dimensional' system that's very hard to
quantify. Which is exactly how I draw the line between the credible and
the unlikely: storage is storage (ie, bits are bits), but any
modification of the realtime playback environment is likely to affect
performance and/or  perception of it.

The distinction between digital and analog is also (generally)
misleadingly overstated, which promotes a number of urban myths.

And I joined the party some time ago that takes issue with Benchmark's
claims that their DAC is 'perfect'. Obviously the digital side is
perfect is a classic setup for a fall, and makes the average digital
designer weep into his beer with mirth. All manner of stuff prejudices
a DAC1's performance - but maybe we're in a position to have thrown
more toys at it than most.

But yes, definitely, all this transport malarkey is less influential
that gross aspects of the system such as transducers and room
interaction.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


UV101;693314 Wrote: 
 When you say lower value film cap, what sort of value do you mean?
 
 I've found that you can loose some bass and sound a little thin if you
 go lower than 2.2uF. I never have an issue with 4.7uF.

With value i mean replacing a 100µF cap with some audiophile 4,7µF film
is a no-no in my book. 10 years back it was really worth to get rid of
the caps in a CD player. Even the more expensive players had lousy
lytics in. Today the lytics work very well and you can have great
results. Since i have no input cap in my amps i use some in my
Transporter. I had BG NX in and kicked them for a pair of FM.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


Phil Leigh;693313 Wrote: 
 the question is straightforward, but there is a hidden implication. Why
 should it matter if I connect a DAC via TOSLINK or Coax when evaluating
 an upgraded PSU?
 
 What happened to the baby and the bath water?
 
 for what it is worth, using my external DAC connected via any method I
 detect no difference at all with a very nice linear supply vs. the
 stock supply.
 This is backed up by ADM measurements that confirm no difference.
 So no, I don't hear or measure any difference and I keep my Teddy Pardo
 supply just to intrigue people who bother to read my signature
 carefully.
 
 Now, have you got anything useful to sell us?

If I can Paxman you for a direct answer: do you believe it's possible
for a better PSU to improve an SB connected optically to a DAC?

No doubt you see the implication of the question, and why it relates so
directly to the less alarming conclusions reached by TAS. I've no
interest in discussing intangible claims to do with bit-rot or the
astral plane or chakra alignment of a given file format. I am
interested in real world performance and real world issues.

Here's another one: is it possible for a USB  SPDIF converter to sound
different to a direct USB connection? Or to another USB  SPDIF
converter? What about upgrading the power supply to a USB  SPDIF
converter?

Bits-are-bits 'purists' feel that that nothing could be less useful
than a device that turns noughts and ones into exactly the same noughts
and ones traveling along a different wire.

Some here evidently feel that using an optical cable out of the
transport makes everything else about that device irrelevant, or that
'analog domain' modifications like power supplies have no effect on
digital signals. 

Do you have the conceptual knowledge to see why/how these things could
- in theory - sound different?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


I thought it was down to cost that cheap elco's were used. There are
plenty of designs on some more expensive kit that use film caps under
10uf for dc blocking.

I take your point that the new rubycon Z caps are very good and much
cheaper than the older ones. I still can't get my head around choosing
to use elco's in the signal path. I'll try a couple in one of my cd
players ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


One thing i see for your Touch is that the evaluation Board from Asahi
themself uses no caps in the output of the 4420.
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4420/ak4420.html

One more thing is that i saw you exchange the clocks with some mudules
that have several cm of wire. How does this wire alone influence the
clock quality? Never found some clear measurements for this on the
modding sides.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


Its already been stated that the dc blocking caps on the touch are not
required by the AK dac chip as it already outputs 0v dc. Mine are
removed and the pads linked.

The clocks are low noise regulation powering quality oscillators.
Ideally they should be much closer to the mux chips they supply but
this unit is very much work in progress and ultimately I will get the
oscillators much closer to their original position. I've never had an
issue using short coax to distribute the clock. One of the things I
have achieved is to remove some of the logic from the circuit which
definitely had a significant positive effect.

The details are here
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91794
I don't sell anything clocks or regs so I'm not looking to convince
anyone that they need to buy them. They exist for my own amusement! ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...


item_audio;693322 Wrote: 
 If I can Paxman you for a direct answer: do you believe it's possible
 for a better PSU to improve an SB connected optically to a DAC?
 
 No doubt you see the implication of the question, and why it relates so
 directly to the less alarming conclusions reached by TAS. I've no
 interest in discussing intangible claims to do with bit-rot or the
 astral plane or chakra alignment of a given file format. I am
 interested in real world performance and real world issues.
 
 Here's another one: is it possible for a USB  SPDIF converter to sound
 different to a direct USB connection? Or to another USB  SPDIF
 converter? What about upgrading the power supply to a USB  SPDIF
 converter?
 
 Bits-are-bits 'purists' feel that that nothing could be less useful
 than a device that turns noughts and ones into exactly the same noughts
 and ones traveling along a different wire.
 
 Some here evidently feel that using an optical cable out of the
 transport makes everything else about that device irrelevant, or that
 'analog domain' modifications like power supplies have no effect on
 digital signals. 
 
 Do you have the conceptual knowledge to see why/how these things could
 - in theory - sound different?
 
 Another question (this one a trick): do you believe that two components
 can measure the same but sound different?
Oh God... Deep sigh...

Yes I'm sure i have plenty of conceptual knowledge whatever the hell
that is... I've been in this game for 35 years...

using TOSLINK to connect Touch to DAC eliminates any galvanic
connection between them. This means there is no electrical route for
certain types of noise to pass between the units IN EITHER DIRECTION.

The same would also be true for transformer isolated coax s/pdif
connection, but these have other issues - for example the insistence on
using unsuitable or badly screened/earthed transformers...

yes I'm sure a USB-spdif converter can sound very different from a USB
connection asynchronous) to a USB DAC.

S/pdif sucks compared to PROPERLY implemented asynchronous USB or i2s
because ofthe whole clock recovery/jitter issue. Not tha you can't
royally mess up an i2s or asynchronous USB connection, of course...-


As for your trick question, yes of course things can measure the same
but sound different... This simply means the wrong thing is being
measured.

What is not DEBATEABLE is that an ADM (null delta) test will show if
anything at all is different... Audible or not. If ADM says there is no
difference, then there is NO DIFFERENCE.

So bring on your esoteric tweaks to alter the output from the DAC by
changing what is happening in the SB player...and let ADM detect the
reality of such claims.

Don't fancy that? ... Don't blame you. So far a lot of things have
failed... Expensive digital cables being the first victim :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread totoro


item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
 Little disagreement between us: philosophically/scientifically entering
 Gödel territory, I don't feel quite the certainty you do about
 'possible causes', but I agree the digital argument for asynchronous
 storage and data transfer currently looks chinkless.
 
 However there's a clear line to be drawn between literally asynchronous
 'storage' and live, dynamic playback. The former is a two-dimensional,
 linear, predictable system that's very easily quantified. The latter is
 a chaotic, intermodulating 'four dimensional' system that's very hard to
 quantify. Which is exactly how I draw the line between the credible and
 the unlikely: storage is storage (ie, bits are bits), but any
 modification of the realtime playback environment is likely to affect
 performance and/or  perception of it.
 
 The distinction between digital and analog is also (generally)
 misleadingly overstated, which promotes a number of urban myths.
 
 And I joined the party some time ago that takes issue with Benchmark's
 claims that their DAC is 'perfect'. Obviously the digital side is
 perfect is a classic setup for a fall, and makes the average digital
 designer weep into his beer with mirth. All manner of stuff prejudices
 a DAC1's performance - but maybe we're in a position to have thrown
 more toys at it than most.
 
 But yes, definitely, all this transport malarkey is less influential
 that gross aspects of the system such as transducers and room
 interaction.

I think you must be confusing Godel with someone else. The
incompleteness theorems essentially say that any formal system capable
of expressing arithmetic are capable of encoding liar sentences.

This basically means that there does not exist a formal language which
is capable of characterizing the truth of its own statements. This was
more or less the death knell of a major part of logical postivism.

The has absolutely no bearing on anything to do with this discussion. I
guess I'll chalk up your Godel reference to you pseudo-intellectuality
and move on.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch output caps


UV101;693325 Wrote: 
 The details are here
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91794
This tiny layout is really hard to work with. I replaced my OP amps and
the caps several times myself. That was a real PITA and i am glad my
device still works. Inside the Touch there is even less space it seems.
To complicated for my skills :)
You are sure you don´t collect HF garbage with the leads of the
additional caps?
I saw real world measurememnts that made decoupling caps worse as a
cheap smd cap only becuse of the leads and 1mm already can hurt.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread pski


Ok, I understand it now: circuli inprobus

P


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers

2012-02-29 Thread pski


totoro;692478 Wrote: 
 The volume control in the sb3 was digital and done in software. So yes,
 attenutators for protection were a really good idea.

The volume control in ALL the products is digital. My confirmation was
that the limit parameter only had an effect on the analog outputs.

Do attenu-tators turn your 'taters into antenna?

Thank you in advance for your clarification.

P


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-29 Thread adamdea


evdplancke;693210 Wrote: 
 I noticed that flac files after RC filtering are smaller than before.
 How do you explain that? Does it mean that there is a loss in
 resolution? My guess: it is probably due to bass and treble rolloff in
 the target curve.
Quite apart from the fact that inguz doesn't change the files

Why would rolling off the bass and treble make the files smaller? The
file size is surely determined by the number of bits per sample and the
number of samples(?)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread adamdea


totoro;693327 Wrote: 
 I think you must be confusing Godel with someone else. The
 incompleteness theorems essentially say that any formal system capable
 of expressing arithmetic are capable of encoding liar sentences.
 
 This basically means that there does not exist a formal language which
 is capable of characterizing the truth of its own statements. This was
 more or less the death knell of a major part of logical postivism.
 
 The has absolutely no bearing on anything to do with this discussion. I
 guess I'll chalk up your Godel reference to you pseudo-intellectuality
 and move on.

I entirely agree. Nothing in the meandering claptrap peddled by our
sadly-now-resident foo merchant has done anything to explain why a flac
file cannot be converted to wav in any way without audible degradation.


I don't know which is more irritating: the perpetual confusion of this
question with any issue of playback environment (bearing in mind that
TAS' finding is not to do with real time conversion); the  general
there are more things in heaven and earth Horatio rambling; or the
crass I once read half of bluff your way in philosophy Gödel
gambit.

Anyway I wish people would stop feeding the troll.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread darrell


item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
 Little disagreement between us: philosophically/scientifically entering
 Gödel territory, I don't feel quite the certainty you do about
 'possible causes',
OK, if you think that currently accepted possible causes don't cast
the net widely enough, please be specific about the other possible
causes you suspect, and offer theories as to the mechanisms involved.
Then a sensible discussion can be had, and tests designed. People
accuse you of being a FUD-monger because of unexplained, throwing hands
in the air, statements like this. 
item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
  but I agree the digital argument for asynchronous storage and data
 transfer currently looks chinkless.
 
Yes, in the same way that the argument that the earth orbits the sun
currently looks chinkless - agreed?
item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
 
 However there's a clear line to be drawn between literally asynchronous
 'storage' and live, dynamic playback. The former is a two-dimensional,
 linear, predictable system that's very easily quantified. The latter is
 a chaotic, intermodulating 'four dimensional' system that's very hard to
 quantify.
I am sorry, these sentences might be grammatical, but I have
literally no idea what you mean by them. If I am being stupid, please
explain with specifics.
item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
  Which is exactly how I draw the line between the credible and the
 unlikely: storage is storage (ie, bits are bits), but any modification
 of the realtime playback environment is likely to affect performance
 and/or  perception of it.
 
OK, ignoring that you can't quite bring yourself to say that the bits
are bits fact applies to their transfer, not just their storage, now I
have a definable term (realtime) to get my teeth into. My server
transfers data to the Squeezebox Touch using TCP/IP networking -
nothing realtime there. Next the SBT converts to an audio bitstream and
streams this to my DAC. Still not quite realtime, for two reasons - the
PCM stream interleaves the left and right channels, and anyway, my DAC
buffers this stream and reclocks it. So as far as I understand, there
is no realtime playback in my system until the output from my DAC. 
item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
  
 The distinction between digital and analog is also (generally)
 misleadingly overstated, which promotes a number of urban myths.

item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
  
 And I joined the party some time ago that takes issue with Benchmark's
 claims that their DAC is 'perfect'. Obviously the digital side is
 perfect is a classic setup for a fall, and makes the average digital
 designer weep into his beer with mirth. All manner of stuff prejudices
 a DAC1's performance - but maybe we're in a position to have thrown
 more toys at it than most.
 In what way? Again, please be specific, if you are not simply erecting
straw men.
item_audio;693320 Wrote: 
  
 But yes, definitely, all this transport malarkey is less influential
 that gross aspects of the system such as transducers and room
 interaction.
If you can agree:
1. several orders of magnitude more influential, and
2. any malarkey going on in the transport is extremely unlikely to be
inaudible, indeed, it should be assumed to be inaudible until reliable
evidence* to the contrary is presented, due to 1. above (* anecdotal
listening by golden-eared audiophiles is, by definition, not
evidence),
then we might have the basis for a sensible discussion.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread guidof


cfraser;693293 Wrote: 
 For those of you that use an iGadget to control your SBT, do you use the
 ssh app that Klaus recommends? Is it hard to use? I only want to do very
 simple things, like turn the display on/off say, or tt -s to see how
 things are. Does it work sort of like the command window in WinSCP
 (what I use now)? Basically an ssh app for my iPod will only save me a
 trip up/down the stairs to my desktop occasionally, so it's not a big
 deal functionally, just don't want to buy something I can't really use
 without a steep learning curve (like some of these progs have).
 Thanks.
 
 [I often use the SBT for internet radio etc. and don't want to
 necessarily have a computer on. iPod ssh would allow me to do config
 changes in that case.]
 
 Edit: to clarify, the app is called iSSH. There is a recent comment it
 doesn't work with the iPhone 4S, and since I have the iPod 4S (some
 call it that...anyway the latest version) I was wondering about that
 aspect too.

Works fine on my iPad. No steep learning curve whatsoever. 

Yes, it saves going up and down the stairs every time one needs to make
a change.

GuidoF


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-29 Thread evdplancke


This is the size of the file generated by the demo version of
audiolense, once converted to flac. It is more compressed with RC than
without.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers

2012-02-29 Thread totoro


pski;69 Wrote: 
 The volume control in ALL the products is digital. My confirmation was
 that the limit parameter only had an effect on the analog outputs.
 
 Do attenu-tators turn your 'taters into antenna?
 
 Thank you in advance for your clarification.
 
 P
Ah, I see. Sorry.

Yes, they had special plugs I bought from machina dynamica that turned
potatoes into antennae. I tried a few different varieties, and found I
got best results with small waxy red potatoes. They did seem to cause a
lot of bit rot though, so I had to get rid of them. Somehow when I used
them, flac sounded better than wav, and all the files I checked in for
work were written in haskell, so I had to stop using them :).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-29 Thread Mnyb


There is another terminal app called Terminus if you want to explore
alternatives when using SSH

It can bookmark connections and remember passwords so if one uses
static ip addressing it becomes simple a one click operation to open a
session with any of my players or the server.

My main use to upgrade to new LMS versions on my server.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread Mnyb


darrell;693341 Wrote: 
   snip 
 Again, please be specific, if you are not simply erecting straw men.
 
 If you can agree:
 1. several orders of magnitude more influential, and
 2. any malarkey going on in the transport is extremely unlikely to be
 audible, indeed, it should be assumed to be inaudible until reliable
 evidence* to the contrary is presented, due to 1. above (* anecdotal
 listening by golden-eared audiophiles is, by definition, not
 evidence),
 then we might have the basis for a sensible discussion.


+1

Thank you for actually replying sensible to items latest barrage of fud
straw men and trolling, the post you replied to is so bizarre that it's
hard to know where to start sorting it out :-/

If you expand your point 2 , removing all fud spread by TAS or similar
audio press and audiophile fora etc, this is anecdotal golden eared
listening and is not information in any way about the subject.

You will find very few evidence ( probably none ) that a reasonably
well made digital source is possible to tell from another such source
what I mean by reasonably well made includes almost every source you
can find today ( to paraphrase gödel there will be at least one source
bad enough... ;) )
I also assume that one have taken the trivial steps to ensure bit
perfectness before comparing sources.

So before we start discussing tiny details about digital sources ,
where is the real research on to which extent they really matter .

Let's recap where the source first fallacy comes from .

* ye olde days when analog sources available to customers could be
truly bad.

* This pow was strongly argued by an upstart Scottish brand that at the
beginning offered only an expensive source component *surprise* . 1)

By cargo cult this is now transferred to apply to digital sources ?

Another interesting  set of straw men jitter recovery and the benchmark
DAC this falls to pieces in several ways. Does it's output measure/is
the same when feed inputs with different ( reasonable ) jitter levels
or does it not ? Does it matter if the residual jitter is low enough ,
Beside the obvious point that most sources have lower jitter than any
human can detect anyway.
Which gives that their approach is really  overkill to ensure good
quality with even really bad sources and that is really not strictly
necessary .
Human beings will still be unable to detect different  digital source
components even if the DAC did not use benchmarks proprietary solutions
or similar tech done by ess etc.
These designs are a nice insurance policy that it will work in the most
demanding settings.

But the cargo cult has it that there is no low enough jitter level
because they can still hear source differences in sighted golden
eared testing .

But what are our topics now re computer playback.

Computer to squeezebox via tcp/ip computer can not possible influence
given trivial steps to ensure bit perfectness .

Computer interfaced to DAC , can be some unlikely sources of trouble
but very improbable that they are audible given that some trivial stuff
are fixed bit perfectness galvanic isolation if applicable, toslink
maybe , as outlined by darell.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...

2012-02-29 Thread bluegaspode


Maybe we can just come to the conclusion

a) the authors of the TAS article have found sensational results.
(if we believe them: their findings are really sensational and
groundbreaking
if we don't believe them: hey - we didn't ever believe one could come
up with such a lot bullshit)

b) when one has sensational results, one does need more profound
testing (either as a first step or hopefully at least as a second
step).
One needs to doubt its own findings and try to reduce possible errors
in the testing environment (like comparing, if the files compared
actual are bit identical, if fragmentation of a harddrive matters more
than the ripping program and of course also reduce placebo effects by
doing blind tests)

The authors miserably fail doing so.

It shouldn't be left to the more unskilled readers to come to further
conclusions if one is at least a little bit proud of ones own work.


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