Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
Wombat;695127 Wrote: I wouldn´t choose r8brain free, cutting as low as 18kHz is not necessary. It even inverts phase. this makes no audible difference whatsoever. id bet that you couldn't id them blind.(r8 brain gratis vs pro vs saracon vs uv22 vs mbit maxx vs POW-R! Hell, I doubt that anyone could..maybe some of the really badly implemented ones on a certain type of music.. but doubtful. :) -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
Mynb... if you want to have some more fun, download 'THIS' (http://www.savioursofsoul.de/Christian/programs/measurement-programs/) Open your DAW, generate a 1Khz sine wave, then open up Christians tool and see what is going on. It is quite interesting to see the behavior of some of the analog modeling suites, EQs, and others.! -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pongagt;695399 Wrote: Has anyone had a problem with some wma files playing like they are in fast forward? The problem is with my touch and not the server since my squeezeebox radio plays them fine. the radio stations, some low bit rate, yes. this is a well known problem with the touch toolbox, and is but one more reason to avoid using it(other than the whole it doesn't make any audible difference thing :) ) I did enjoy playing with it tho -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pongagt;695399 Wrote: Has anyone had a problem with some wma files playing like they are in fast forward? The problem is with my touch and not the server since my squeezeebox radio plays them fine. As a card carrying audiophile you are not supposed to listen to internet radio :) Only music from special audiophile labels are allowed it usually sounds suspiciously similar to elevator music (but with greater dynamic range ) but persist you get used to it ;) Joking aside some sample rates get's disabled in the proces you get some chipmunks in some cases -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Mnyb;695416 Wrote: As a card carrying audiophile you are not supposed to listen to internet radio :) Only music from special audiophile labels are allowed it usually sounds suspiciously similar to elevator music (but with greater dynamic range ) but persist you get used to it ;) Joking aside some sample rates get's disabled in the proces you get some chipmunks in some cases Thanks for the responses. I don't have the problem with radio streaming but with low bit rate wma files that really have good sound quality considering. Unfortunately flac files are not available for all my music otherwise i would have them. The files that are at least 64bit are ok. Hopefully tt 4.0 will play lower bit rates without the chipmunks singing. -- pongagt pongagt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
TheOctavist;695403 Wrote: this makes no audible difference whatsoever. r8 brain free offers the best phase performance with *zero* aliasing..even better than the pro version!! All resampler that have a flat line there have perfect phase response. How is r8brian best then? Avoiding aliasing is common. If you don´t say sox to alias, it doesn´t. You should better ask yourself if we should allow a controlled amount of aliasing like Sarcacon for example. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Just a little past the two year mark with my trusty ADAM A7s, my dear wife (AKA: Human audio analysis system) decided that I'd like the newer ADAM A7X's to go with my equally new pair of SVS SB-13+ subs. I found myself in the rare situation of being TOTALLY in agreement with my Wife! The new X series ADAMs have some refinements, most notably..the XART ribbon tweeter that is nothing short of superb. The original ART ribbon tweeter (think: Heil AMT) was super, and the XART just makes things even better. The SVS (sealed) Subs are no less remarkable. Outstanding build-quality, and back-breaking heft. I'm completely dazzled by how easy it was to get them (SVSs)to integrate...seamlessly! Wonderful, and extremely well thought-out pieces of engineering they are! Things are sounding really nice here, and Momma and I have spent many, many happy hours already re-hearing our favorite music. It's all good!I'm happy as a clam! For the sake of a loudspeaker discussion...Deutschland Uber Alles! Ich liebe mein ADAMs :)) -- Curt962 Life is precious. I've been to the edge, and learned that God is my friend. Praise Him at every opportunity, and Celebrate every day! Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Argh. Did you have to say that ;) I've got a pair of A5s which are great but too weak for my living room since I moved. I combined them with a MicroVee which is also great but has the usual subwoofer problem: the setup only works fine for a limited volume range so I have to re-adjust the volume when I either want to hear very silent or very loud music. I did already consider to move that setup to my office where I use a pair of PC speakers now which I love but which, too, are way too weak as soon as I move away from the computer and to get a pair of A7X for the living room, now you start to fuel that again... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
I am interested in how the wireless protocol works with a Squeezebox Touch (or Duet I guess for that matter)? I noticed when I used one some while back that there was a large buffer in the Duet - when I disconnected the wireless link to the computer - the Duet was playing for about 15 or so seconds afterwards - which seem to be a decent size buffer. So I just wondered - when playing music initiated from the Personal Computer, there is a slight delay before starting - so does music first get 'copied' to the Squeezebox over the wireless network - then once copied (which should be perfect if using TCP/IP and CRC checksums)- it then actually gets played from the copy on the SB itself? -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Hallo Pippin! Happy to Help! :) My listening room (Living room) isn't large by any stretch, but of a very open design...typical of homes in the US.Open to the kitchen, dining room, etc. Much to my delight, the Subs simply do not suffer from the problems I've had in other listening rooms elsewhere. My house, for whatever reason just seems to Work. Perhaps it's simply the manner of construction more than anything else.It doesn't do a good job of containing reflecting low-frequency energy..so Modes/Nodes are to a great extent minimized. The SVS's are really intelligently designed (I've spent time discussing things with their designer) and am completely, 100% sold! The ADAMs? I like the ADAM sound. It's like being in the control room when the recording was being made, so I had no reservations about dropping some money on the newer model. Perhaps...Lautsprecher von Berlin are my thingwhatever. I'm an ADAM believer! Next upgrade (maybe) is balanced interconnect..throughout. Why? 1) I can 2) My favorite cables aren't that expensive. Tschuss! -- Curt962 Life is precious. I've been to the edge, and learned that God is my friend. Praise Him at every opportunity, and Celebrate every day! Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Just to avoid confusion: My sub works, too. My living room is also open plus it's almost 4m (a bit more than 11 feet) tall. My problem is not to get a good sound with the A5s and the MicroVee, the problem is changing volume, I either have no bass at low volume or only bass at high volume or I have to re-adjust the sub's volume. It may also be related to the fact that I use different outputs on my Transporter for the A5s (XLR, balanced) and the sub (RCS), the impedance may be different. Maybe I should invest a bit here but it's a bit of effort to get the cabling done right if I want to use XLR for both. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Ahhh so! We can figure this out, and the results would be helpful to others for sure! Ich habe Dich ein PM gesendet... -- Curt962 Life is precious. I've been to the edge, and learned that God is my friend. Praise Him at every opportunity, and Celebrate every day! Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Pippin... My friend! Since you are using TWO separate outputs from your Transporter, your output signal levels are quite different! This could cause issues overall, but should be evident at any volume setting...not just loud-vs-soft. I'm thinking Fletcher-Munson here... No matter... Let's try and get BOTH the Subwoofer and Speaker to use the SAME transporter output! I understand FULLY that the audiophile inclination is to run to mains full range...regardless of limitations in their capabilities.Let's for a minute ignore ill-advised truisms, and High Pass our mains! Choose either the Single ended (RCA) outputs from your Transporter, or the Balanced XLR. Whichever your Sub supports... Let your sub (It should have a High Pass output) serve as the crossover. Some subs are better than others at this! In the end, your gains can be: more headroom with your mains. Lower distortion because the mid-driver isn't trying to reproduce LOW bass, and an overall improvement in everything! If it was such a good idea to run small speakers full rangethen tweeters wouldn't be crossed over in any design, and tweeters then would feel the full force of LOW freqs...and the life shortening consequences that would bring! We'll figure this out! :) -- Curt962 Life is precious. I've been to the edge, and learned that God is my friend. Praise Him at every opportunity, and Celebrate every day! Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ADAM users unite!
Pippin Mein freund.. Ich habe dein PM antwortet... Viele dank -- Curt962 Life is precious. I've been to the edge, and learned that God is my friend. Praise Him at every opportunity, and Celebrate every day! Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94100 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Well I'm back to no subs today. Got my brand new Focal 1028BEs. [image: http://members.shaw.ca/jeffflowerday/Images/1028BEs.jpg] -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
In every streaming system (digital) the music is first copied to the target, it's being delivered in packets. However, the SB doesn't have to wait for the full 15s buffer to fill, it can start to play as soon as the first decidable packet is there (depends on the codec) and will fill the buffer in the background. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
stop-spinning;695504 Wrote: I am interested in how the wireless protocol works with a Squeezebox Touch (or Duet I guess for that matter)? There is no 'wireless' protocol. The streaming protocol over the network is the same for both wired and wireless connections. I noticed when I used one some while back that there was a large buffer in the Duet - when I disconnected the wireless link to the computer - the Duet was playing for about 15 or so seconds afterwards - which seem to be a decent size buffer. Right, but the length of time the audio will play from the buffer will depend on the degree of compression of the data. It might be 15 seconds for WAV (PCM), or it might be a couple of minutes for MP3 at some low bitrate. So I just wondered - when playing music initiated from the Personal Computer, there is a slight delay before starting - so does music first get 'copied' to the Squeezebox over the wireless network - then once copied (which should be perfect if using TCP/IP and CRC checksums)- it then actually gets played from the copy on the SB itself? The buffer is prefilled to some degree (I think measured in bytes) before playback will begin. The faster the server and the network, the quicker this happens. And why a faster network connection (such as wired 100 Mbps ethernet) will be more reliable. If there's a network or server interruption, the faster network allows the buffer to refill more quickly and avoid underruns. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;695516 Wrote: Well I'm back to no subs today. Got my brand new Focal 1028BEs. [image: http://members.shaw.ca/jeffflowerday/Images/1028BEs.jpg] Congratulations! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge-Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance-WiFi Bridge-Squeezebox Touch-Toslink-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC-Adcom GFP-750 preamp-Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp - Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033-REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)-Little Dot Mk III amp-AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch-Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
Brother, I can't tell any difference with any of them. I just use the Samplitude 11 inbuilt one.. BTW. Dither Test. http://www.filedropper.com/dithertest -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Coaxial fixed attenuator
came across this on J Keny's site http://sites.google.com/site/hifacemods/home/rf-attenuators cost me about £17 with postage from minicircuits read that someone had found 10db works with the Touch, so thought why not try it. quite a nice effect if you use bnc coax for spdif to your dac, takes some of the digital hash away, an audiophile bargain. http://www.minicircuits.com/MCLStore/ModelInfoDisplay?13315991963110.1795317748732962 http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/HAT-10-75.pdf -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
I posted over in 3rd Party Software about an odd problem I just had with ImpulsePrep. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
TheOctavist;695549 Wrote: Brother, I can't tell any difference with any of them. http://www.filedropper.com/dithertest Yes, i also think it is in practice very unlikely you´ll notice a difference. Thats why i wonder when some audiophiles dig out the big vocabularies to describe all the audible things tiny changes in the settings of a resampler do :) Thanks for the dither samples, now others can have a listen how it sounds. Did you amplify the noise by +48dB or around that? If so i still prefer the sox Shibata dither curves over the ones in these samples. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
http://www.ethanwiner.com/dither.html -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
