Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: As of now, I disagree with the few of you who claim that there are no EE principles which explain audible differences. I think we all are eagerly waiting for you to explain what EE principles explain audible differences. I also disagree, at this time, that I'm a victim of psychological effect. Likewise, I think we are keen to hear what you base that claim on. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
arnyk wrote: Other than for a very few pathological speakers, 12 guage zip cord in reasonable lengths gives ideal, non-improvable performence. I do not believe that my speakers are among the pathological, so I'm going to enjoy second guessing myself. arnyk wrote: If you can't provide a coherent explanation of your beliefs that is consistent with the laws of physics, then there is little but blind faith to explain your situation. I do not associate my beliefs as being inconsistent with laws of physics. arnyk wrote: Getting spendy at the local Rat Shack store or high end audio emporium is no way comparable with the effort required to obtain a basic or advanced degree in EE. It's really pretty insulting to suggest such a thing. Yeah, that was my suggestion. Exactly. I continue to be baffled by your negativity. Maybe start respecting forum members in the same way that you wish to be respected? You aren't the only one with family and friends holding advanced degrees. If that should matter. arnyk wrote: Hopefully you won't, because IMO its a waste of your time under the conditions. Such a great attitude. Appreciated! You've gotta a nice little situation there where you tell me I can't be right and that I can never show that perhaps I am. If you adopted a new approach, then you could send out an email or two and help me make some contacts in my area. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Archimago wrote: Bell wire? What is that 20AWG or thinner? I did say a decent length of copper did I not as speaker cables? As for golden ears, you, like some others seem to claim/insist you have them (based on what you claim to hear on your blog with OS optimizations)... Is this self-proclamation? Or do friends/family/wife/kids agree? just relating my experience, think that's allowed on this forum. Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Julf wrote: I think we all are eagerly waiting for you to explain what EE principles explain audible differences. Would it matter? If I cite various links, then you know what will happen. We could hold a conference call with a bunch of Phds who actually design cables and there would nothing said which a few of you wouldn't declare marketing or otherwise BS. The hardcore self-proclaimed audiophile objectivists come across as bitter and angry. Hopefully, we can rise above that here. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: Would it matter? If I cite various links, then you know what will happen. We could hold a conference call with a bunch of Phds who actually design cables and there would nothing said which a few of you wouldn't declare marketing or otherwise BS. Some of us have Phds in stuff like EE and transmission theory. Would you know the difference between marketing BS and actual engineering theory? Anyway, you claimed , I am simply asking for an explanation based in EE principles to explain audible differences. You seem to think that the difference between actual scientific evidence and marketing material is a question of opinion/viewpoint. What would be *your* criteria for telling one from the other? The hardcore self-proclaimed audiophile objectivists come across as bitter and angry. Have you ever stopped to think why that might be? To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
SBGK wrote: In the early days I tried bell wire, 1.5 mm and 2.5 mm 2 core and earth cable as speaker cable, they all sounded different. Guess I must have golden ears. Bell wire has enough series resistance to actually make some speakers sound different. The listning evaluations were probably subject to one or more of the following 5 invalidating influences: (1) Audiophile Sighted Casual Evaluations are invalid because they are not tests. That is, they do not involve comparison to a fixed, reliable standard. (2) Audiophile Sighted Casual Evaluations are invalid because they involve excessively long switchover times, which makes them highly susceptible to false negatives because they desensitize the listeners. (3) Audiophile Sighted Casual Evaluations are invalid because the do not involve proper level matching, which makes them highly susceptible to false positives because people report the level mismatches as sonic differences. (4) Audiophile Sighted Casual Evaluations are invalid because they do not involve listening to the identical same piece of music or drama within a few milliseconds, creating false positives because people report the mismatched music as sonic differences in the equipment. (5) Audiophile Sighted Casual Evaluations are not admissible because they constantly reveal the true identity of the UUTs to the listener, creating false positives because people report their prejudices and preconceived notions as sonic properties of the equipment arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Archimago wrote: Good luck with the zip cords... Bottom line is that physics predicts that the demands of accurate transmission of audio from 20Hz-20kHz in -speaker cables- is a rather low standard that can be fulfilled more than easily by a decent length of copper! THE CLAIM OF AUDIBLE DIFFERENCE (IE. THAT SOMEHOW SOMETHING IS BEING CHANGED IN THAT TRANSMISSION FROM 20HZ-20KHZ) BECAUSE OF EXOTIC MATERIALS/DIELECTRICS, ETC. THAT IS SOMEHOW \BETTER\ OR MORE \TRUE\ TO THE SIGNAL IS AKIN TO DECLARING THAT THESE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE BEING VIOLATED. Since cable companies are claiming that they have found some special secret sauce that makes their cables better (rather than purposely distorting the signal), I think the onus is on them to show just what is going on that the result is at least different from what the laws of physics predicts! So far, I have yet to see any evidence of an actual change beyond human testimony. Remember, this is audio frequency... We're not talking MHz, GHz transmissions here where gauge, material, dielectrics, geometry could truly be essential elements to successful signal integrity... And where concepts like jitter truly could be a meaningful problem! In the early days I tried bell wire, 1.5 mm and 2.5 mm 2 core and earth cable as speaker cable, they all sounded different. Guess I must have golden ears. Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: I'm certainly not of the view that known science must be violated in order for it to be true that there are audible differences between speakers connected to a power amp with 12g OFC zip cord versus specialty cable. The way you make this statement it sounds as if you think you have have a choice over whether you consider the known laws of nature to be violated if there is an audible difference. You have no such choice. The laws of nature apply to everyone, regardless of their willingness to submit to them. That said, you are in luck. The known laws of nature do indeed allow for there to be an audible difference between different speaker cables. Bear in mind, however, that the known science that explains this audible difference isn't part of physics. It's part of psychology. jh901 wrote: I don't know how skin effect comes into play, for example. It doesn't at audio frequencies. jh901 wrote: I'm not one to ascribe to magic or blind faith, but I recognize that I'm human. I'm also an audiophile, but that doesn't mean that I'm among those who are desperate to believe just about anything in order to perceive an upgrade in sound quality. Since you have admitted that you are human, you're half way to understanding why different speaker cables sound different to you. To complete the journey, all you need to do is expand your search for an explanation beyond the boundaries of audio engineering and consider the known science that deals with how human perception is influenced by all manner of extraneous factors. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
I'm certainly not of the view that known science must be violated in order for it to be true that there are audible differences between speakers connected to a power amp with 12g OFC zip cord versus specialty cable. I don't know how skin effect comes into play, for example. I'm not one to ascribe to magic or blind faith, but I recognize that I'm human. I'm also an audiophile, but that doesn't mean that I'm among those who are desperate to believe just about anything in order to perceive an upgrade in sound quality. I will not be earning a Phd in EE in this lifetime, but at the same time at least I'm making an effort. I am running 12g OFC zip cord from Radio Shack and I'll be doing so for several weeks. Hopefully, I'll be able to engage in a proper blinded ABX at some point. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
SBGK wrote: just relating my experience, think that's allowed on this forum. Of course. However it's important to remember that objective testing will show inadequacy of poor quality wires with high resistance. No magic there. While I can appreciate your hearing acuity to tell the difference between bell wire and something better, there is no need to invoke golden earism... It's certainly a different kind of claim than the one we're debating about here like audibility of 12AWG vs. expensive exotics... Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: Would it matter? If I cite various links, then you know what will happen. We could hold a conference call with a bunch of Phds who actually design cables and there would nothing said which a few of you wouldn't declare marketing or otherwise BS. The hardcore self-proclaimed audiophile objectivists come across as bitter and angry. Hopefully, we can rise above that here. Actually, now that we're 60 pages deep in this discussion which started with best top end player, maybe you can start a new thread with what you consider as the BEST, most CONVINCING links to articles that report the importance of cables on sound? This way, we can all have a look at them and either agree or critique. Furthermore, it may help reduce personal insults and name-calling. Indeed there is no need to get angry or bitter. Going back to the previous suggestion about getting an (objectivist) audiophile friend to come over to help with some testing rather than bothering a PhD candidate, I think you will realize -very quickly- (like after 3 or 4 cable switches) how there's no significant difference assuming your friend is honest and take precaution to make sure you can't see what's happening behind the scene. After that, go for a beer... As I mentioned before, I've done this with subjectivist friends and they have always changed their tune; usually having sold off all the expensive cable stuff within a year :-). You see, we can all get -pedantic -about whether your test fully meets criteria for ABX, DBT, whatever test you choose... But so what? If you really want to make a splash, go practice, then 'win $1,000,000 from the Amazing Randi' (http://gizmodo.com/305549/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better). Then we'll all shut up and proclaim that we knew you before you became universally acclaimed as a true Golden Ear with the cash to prove it! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Getting the error Cannot initialize Silverlight: createSilverlightControl is not defined when accessing the Inguz settings page. Tried IE11, Chrome and Firefox all with same result. Is there a solution for this? Thanks. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: I also disagree, at this time, that I'm a victim of psychological effect. But earlier on you admitted that you are human. To deny that you are susceptible to your perceptions being influenced by outside factors, you are declaring yourself to be some kind of freak. Victim is totally the wrong word to use here - we are ALL susceptible to these factors, even when we know what they are. You can't avoid them - it's basic human nature. To a certain extent it isn't important why you perceive specialist speaker cables to sound better than ordinary ones. They do to you, and so they are a valid component in your system. Just because they sound better because of your psychological response rather than due to any change in the sound field generated isn't really important. What you hear is your response to all the stimuli available to you. But please don't try to suggest that specialist speaker cables sound better for some engineering reason. THAT is the false claim made by far too many audiophiles that some of us here will continue to challenge whenever it is proposed. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
arnyk wrote: Yes. One little problem. There is no such thing as ...a bunch of PhDs (in electrical engineering) that actually design cables. Getting a PhD in EE or a related area has a prerequisite - learning enough about EE to understand why audiophile cables are a myth. Prove me wrong - give us a link to a PhD Thesis in EE from an accredited University supporting the idea that audiophile cables have any solid technology behind them. I don't know who you are talking about. However, if we changed topics to self-proclaimed audiophile subjectivists who are deflecting and avoiding relevant questions that they can't answer and making it up as they go along, a lot of people would know exactly what is being discussed. ;-) what is it about phds ? Here is one, first class honours and his own cable company, what's not to like. http://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/about-us Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: Would it matter? Yes. If I cite various links, then you know what will happen. We could hold a conference call with a bunch of Phds who actually design cables and there would nothing said which a few of you wouldn't declare marketing or otherwise BS. One little problem. There is no such thing as ...a bunch of PhDs (in electrical engineering) that actually design cables. Getting a PhD in EE or a related area has a prerequisite - learning enough about EE to understand why audiophile cables are a myth. Prove me wrong - give us a link to a PhD Thesis in EE from an accredited University supporting the idea that audiophile cables have any solid technology behind them. The hardcore self-proclaimed audiophile objectivists come across as bitter and angry. Hopefully, we can rise above that here. I don't know who you are talking about. However, if we changed topics to self-proclaimed audiophile subjectivists who are deflecting and avoiding relevant questions that they can't answer and making it up as they go along, a lot of people would know exactly what is being discussed. ;-) arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: As of now, I disagree with the few of you who claim that there are no EE principles which explain audible differences. I also disagree, at this time, that I'm a victim of psychological effect. What is the rational basis of your disagreement? arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
cliveb wrote: That said, you are in luck. The known laws of nature do indeed allow for there to be an audible difference between different speaker cables. Bear in mind, however, that the known science that explains this audible difference isn't part of physics. It's part of psychology. As of now, I disagree with the few of you who claim that there are no EE principles which explain audible differences. I also disagree, at this time, that I'm a victim of psychological effect. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: I'm certainly not of the view that known science must be violated in order for it to be true that there are audible differences between speakers connected to a power amp with 12g OFC zip cord versus specialty cable. Other than for a very few pathological speakers, 12 guage zip cord in reasonable lengths gives ideal, non-improvable performence. I don't know how skin effect comes into play, for example. I do know how skin effect comes into play, and the general answer is not so much. I'm not one to ascribe to magic or blind faith, If you can't provide a coherent explanation of your beliefs that is consistent with the laws of physics, then there is little but blind faith to explain your situation. but I recognize that I'm human. Which in turn puts you under the influence of the 5 problems with casual sighted audiophile evaluations that I've been listing out. I'm also an audiophile, but that doesn't mean that I'm among those who are desperate to believe just about anything in order to perceive an upgrade in sound quality. Then, you aren't human. I will not be earning a Phd in EE in this lifetime, but at the same time at least I'm making an effort. Getting spendy at the local Rat Shack store or high end audio emporium is no way comparable with the effort required to obtain a basic or advanced degree in EE. It's really pretty insulting to suggest such a thing. I am running 12g OFC zip cord from Radio Shack and I'll be doing so for several weeks. Hopefully, I'll be able to engage in a proper blinded ABX at some point. Hopefully you won't, because IMO its a waste of your time under the conditions. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: Pseudoscience is dangerous, but declaring science as if you are GOD is also wrong. The difference is that science not only provides the evidence, and allows it to be questioned, but actually provides the tools to do it (and encourages it). We go back to Theory of Knowledge 101: How do I know what I know? To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: I intend to avoid your pitfalls, so it doesn't make sense that you have such passion for your faith. There are no such pitfalls, and there is no such faith. I'm following Conventional Science (the Science that helped us send men into space and survive and even thrive). The guys who run the Magic Cable companies are the guys who flunked their EE courses or never took them in the first place. They were not the class stars. Take Noel Lee, for example. Pseudoscience is dangerous, but declaring science as if you are GOD is also wrong. Who is declaring science as if they are God? You are making the accusation, now back it up! I'm am merely a messenger of Science. Don't shoot me. None of you can explain how the laws of physics are being violated. I already have, but the issues and arguments went flying high! I'm dealing with people who take the pseudoscience of the magic wire industry as if they were revealed truth, not the false claims and distortions of the truth that they are. The problem is one of denial and lack of proper education. The explanation of the effect of wavelength on how audio signals flow through cables on the proper way to analyze cables was an explanation of the laws of physics are being violated by the claims of the magic wire industry. It was stated the simplest way I can think of. However, it still takes an understanding of High School Physics to get it. No true believer in magic wires will ever get it because it violates their religious beliefs. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Julf wrote: Anyway, you claimed , I am simply asking for an explanation based in EE principles to explain audible differences. You seem to think that the difference between actual scientific evidence and marketing material is a question of opinion/viewpoint. What would be *your* criteria for telling one from the other? My interest in this topic is sincere. Since I can't explain why there is an audible difference in my past experiences, then it seems like a good idea to seek out an answer. The first step will be to participate in a proper ABX. Depending on the result, there will be further examination. Julf wrote: Have you ever stopped to think why that might be? No comment. Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: Hey Gandhi, I used REW and parametric EQ until earlier this year. I used to just apply 20-150Hz or so; leaving the rest of the mids and trebles since it was relatively accurate already. Last few months, I've been use DRCDesigner to do the measurements, target curve adjustment and it incorporates the free DRC package to calculate the filters... I've experimented a bit and generally like the traditional BK target curves (either BK1 or BK3) and I've had great success with applying correction through the whole 20Hz-20kHz spectrum! I've been using the JRiver convolution engine (a bit of a twisted route with DLNA/UPnP to access the Squeezebox library). Have used REW to verify the frequency response improvement as well as verified significantly improved impulse response in the time domain with each channel so know that what I'm hearing corresponds to objective accuracy. :-) Hello Archi! I have never tried DRCDesigner and only just now checked the how-to on their website. But I'm not sure I understand the benefit of using DRCDesigner instead of for instance REW (which is incredibly comprehensive). Does it make better measurements or calculations? Or is it perhaps the convolver plugin you are after? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Gandhi wrote: Hello Archi! I have never tried DRCDesigner and only just now checked the how-to on their website. But I'm not sure I understand the benefit of using DRCDesigner instead of for instance REW (which is incredibly comprehensive). Does it make better measurements or calculations? Or is it perhaps the convolver plugin you are after? I see DRCDesigner as a cheap man's AudioLense, Acourate, or Dirac. Simple but reasonable UI, easy way to measure room impulse up to 24/96 for each stereo channel separately, simple design of target curve and easy batch creation of FIR filters for convolution plug-ins like the one in JRiver. Works well and you can customize the strength of the correction used by DRC to calculate these FIR filters. Although I use REW to do a number of measurements, and in the past have used it to calculate parametric EQ settings for my room, is it capable of producing FIR filters these days? JRiver DSP upsamples my music and calculations performed in 96kHz... Perfect for the Transporter on playback. I like the results better than my Onkyo's Odyssey MultEQ XT (not XT32) result. Has anyone seen a good writeup comparing DRC packages like the aforementioned AudioLens/Acourate/Dirac vs. DRC? One limitation of the free DRC/Designer is that only one location can be measured. For me, I think this is fine for stereo - I just care about the sweetspot and doubt this is a significant problem. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Archimago wrote: Good luck with the zip cords... THE CLAIM OF AUDIBLE DIFFERENCE (IE. THAT SOMEHOW SOMETHING IS BEING CHANGED IN THAT TRANSMISSION FROM 20HZ-20KHZ) BECAUSE OF EXOTIC MATERIALS/DIELECTRICS, ETC. THAT IS SOMEHOW \BETTER\ OR MORE \TRUE\ TO THE SIGNAL IS AKIN TO DECLARING THAT THESE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE BEING VIOLATED. I just wanted to quote this again because it really is the key. The second part of the sentence is the important one. Undoubtably cables can be (mis)designed to sound different. Some people may even perceive that difference as better for various reasons, perhaps not the least of which is that they have spent significant amount of money on them and don't wish to feel like a rube. However, conflating that perceived difference with greater accuracy or musical truth is false within the current understanding of physical laws. Unless someone can provide a testable theory that leads to convincing and repeatable experimental results that explain why a certain speaker cable design is audibly different that 12 gauge zip cord in reasonable lengths to a human listener it is perfectly correct to say that all such claims of audible superiority are a priori false. induna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Michanders are first class! I sent my cables out Monday and Analysis Plus called today to confirm that they'll be shipping them back so that I might get them before the holiday. Great service. Meantime, I've added -Monk's Dream- and -Tijuana Moods- (Mingus) to my jazz collection. ORG has released these two with original mastering work and the result is fantastic. As to the original thread topic, well, I wouldn't know how to get a productive discussion going. I did try. The market for audiophile servers is heating up and with any luck the competition will result in affordable excellence in no time. Of course, that leads us into a DAC discussion of the top units today. Nagra, for example, worked with Andreas Koch in the somewhat recent past. I wonder how theirs will compare to the hot products from Lampizator? Cary Audio 306 SACD Pro | Cary Audio SLP-05 | Cary Audio SA-200.2 | Focal Diablo Utopia III __Acoustic treatment: DIY Cylinder Bass traps | Rule of Thirds for speaker sweet spot position __Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval | Shunyata Venom series power cords and power conditioning jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
