Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something? I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. Have I missed something? mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I wouldn't worry about the Roon dev team pursuing trivial developments, they know their oats. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mdconnelly wrote: > I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist > which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you > that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but > not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognized by either Roon > nor LMS requiring a Squeezebox power cycle to fix. I suspect there is > a sequence that I could follow that might avoid that, but I've yet to > discover it (admittedly not taken the time to really explore it). > > But ultimately, my intent is to determine if I will be happy just using > Roon. v1.2 has now made that a much more viable possibility and so > I've been running Roon exclusively for the last few days. Time will > tell... I can power cycle all my squeezeboxes are aceesible , thats why i intend to maybe start learning about wm's so can have virtual servers to start and stop , many folks do that with several instances of LMS . Yes you need to shutdown LMS first . Now that you used it for a while what do you think pros and cons so far ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognized by either Roon nor LMS requiring a Squeezebox power cycle to fix. I suspect there is a sequence that I could follow that might avoid that, but I've yet to discover it (admittedly not taken the time to really explore it). But ultimately, my intent is to determine if I will be happy just using Roon. v1.2 has now made that a much more viable possibility and so I've been running Roon exclusively for the last few days. Time will tell... Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 Radio & heavy use of iPeng on various iThings) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > And "audiophiles" (used in the original sense and not in the audiophool > sense) also care deeply about the music itself, the artists, the > relationships across artists and genres, etc. And roon has a very nice > interaction with databases that provide a rich source of information > about artists/albums/tracks that typically far exceeds what one finds in > their own metadata tags. > > But I agree, none of this changes the fact that roon and LMS can both > provide bitperfect output to my DAC. I'm having fun testing roon a bit > but I'm also a bit bothered with their forum, which contains way too > much audiophool postings (e.g., I hear more "air" and "dimension" in > playback with ver 1.2 of roon vs. ver 1.1 of roon). That said, the > company folks and other users are very helpful in terms of things that > do matter in terms of settings, usage, responding to bugs, etc. I do > appreciate what they are trying to achieve. In the end its the quality of what they actually offer thatÂ’s matter . A worrying trend indeed ,some dev actually wasted electrons supporting jplay ( a well known foo software http://www.jriver.com/jplay.html ) but they actually have dev resources to waste ? if they manage to build a good product anyway thats good . I have to build myself a new server first it's about time :) Some NUC with virtualization i think then i'm actually able to run roon and LMS and more Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Suggest history , the current roon userbase , the band of early adopters > you see on thier forum are all about soundquality and messing around > with thier computers as players . That will probably change when the > amount of network devices gain more ground . > Roon started early on with great support for local playback , something > that's not even a core function in LMS , it's a plugin :) > > The idea is probably to also compete with jriver etc for a nice computer > direct to hifi interface , many are still stuck there . > > So the fellow that started the tread come at it rom an audiophile > perspective ? Roon has that in thier bag to not compromise audiquality > when not necessary and good format support . Sonos don't fit and apple > certainly don't with their weird 16/48 botched resampling on many > devices . Just like squeezebox and LMS . You can have good sound and > good interface and reasonable prices . > > But it is more than that . Roon is new competitor in distributed whole > home audio , ( the current early adopters misses the potential somewhat > ) hope they gan a wider userbase . I don't think that will hurt LMS , > the whole niche needs more interest . > > The tread could be move to general discussion I agree . And "audiophiles" (used in the original sense and not in the audiophool sense) also care deeply about the music itself, the artists, the relationships across artists and genres, etc. And roon has a very nice interaction with databases that provide a rich source of information about artists/albums/tracks that typically far exceeds what one finds in their own metadata tags. But I agree, none of this changes the fact that roon and LMS can both provide bitperfect output to my DAC. I'm having fun testing roon a bit but I'm also a bit bothered with their forum, which contains way too much audiophool postings (e.g., I hear more "air" and "dimension" in playback with ver 1.2 of roon vs. ver 1.1 of roon). That said, the company folks and other users are very helpful in terms of things that do matter in terms of settings, usage, responding to bugs, etc. I do appreciate what they are trying to achieve. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Interesting is it any good? This AES67? It is pretty good for what it was designed for, audio-over-IP interoperability - "The aim was emphatically not to provide the structure for a new, comprehensive media distribution system". Developed by a committee, but pretty much following the IETF "running code and rough consensus" principles. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
SBGK wrote: > why is this thread in Audiophiles forum ? > > Thought it was well established that software doesn't affect sq. > > Should be in General discussion or 3rd party software. > > eg > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104044-Roon-a-SqueezeBox-ecosystem-alternative Suggest history , the current roon userbase , the band of early adopters you see on thier forum are all about soundquality and messing around with thier computers as players . That will probably change when the amount of network devices gain more ground . Roon started early on with great support for local playback , something that's not even a core function in LMS , it's a plugin :) The idea is probably to also compete with jriver etc for a nice computer direct to hifi interface , many are still stuck there . So the fellow that started the tread come at it rom an audiophile perspective ? Roon has that in thier bag to not compromise audiquality when not necessary and good format support . Sonos don't fit and apple certainly don't with their weird 16/48 botched resampling on many devices . Just like squeezebox and LMS . You can have good sound and good interface and reasonable prices . But it is more than that . Roon is new competitor in distributed whole home audio , ( the current early adopters misses the potential somewhat ) hope they gan a wider userbase . I don't think that will hurt LMS , the whole niche needs more interest . The tread could be move to general discussion I agree . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > Nope, with the release of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on > your network. Cool ! Can it be installed under Linux too and run headless ? That must be some work to get to work if you have squeezeboxes , meridian gear and some AirPlay stuff and a bunch of others :/ the QC phase must have been serusily frustrating :) Oh well interesting times it is . I do understand Julf there , why not a really good universal media endpoint standard ? It would benefit everyone . To add to that I would love an universal digital active speaker protocol , so we can get that thing off the ground ( now it's a niche ). Maybe they could merge . Oh sorry of topic . I google aes67 somewhere else . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . > > Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC > over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different > ways of doing stuff .AFAIK the SDK is free to hardware manufacturers. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Mnyb wrote: > Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? > > You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or > auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc Nope, with the release > of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on your network. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. > > Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture > so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. Interesting is it any good ? This AES67 ? I do understand one reason everyone lean towards proprietary protocols , to previous "standard" was UPNP/DLNA :P We have slimproto and some other cometd based protocol in our beloved LMS . If AES67 have architectural shortcomings or is a design by comitee thing like upnp then we are yet again doomed to multiple proprietary protocols or upnp combined with player specific workarounds . The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different ways of doing stuff . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
audiomuze wrote: > 'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc . Still on the fence to even try yet :confused: they do have stiff hardware demands for a music server and UI software ,they strongly recommend Ssd drives etc , the intruding part is their enriched metadata an interlinking and reviews etc ( why that demands high end game level graphics beats me , is it not the content that's most important ? ) and some other niggles to work out Was it not this direction the ickstream guys where hinting at . There are several levels of metadata above the file tag level first your own library and then the culture you live in also the culture and context around the music and when and how it's was created . If you are a music historian you can probably abuse the tag system and custom tag and custom browse and after an incredible amount of work end up with some static solution that needs constant maintanence and now your tags are bent out of shape to suit your exact software and hardware solution . I find the basic idea of not needing you tags that much to make a nice experience of your music "above the tag level" very interesting . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > What protocols does it use?'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' > (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Roon supports many different kinds of output devices, including: - RoonReady Networked devices. - Connected outputs, including USB DACs, sound cards, and built-in outputs - AirPlay devices - Logitech's Squeezebox devices - Meridian Audio's networked endpoints - HQPlayer SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
