Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Unused Transporter SE's on eBay.com
Hi all! Just a quick update - there are now only 6 of these beasties left for sale on eBay.com, & although the suppliers have "topped up" their numbers for sale in the past (obviously they "find" more units at the back of their warehouses :D ), they've tended to do it before their stocks got so low so I suspect these stock levels are now genuine. The vendor I bought from has 2 left, & a second vendor has 4. They're both asking $499.99 plus shipping & they're both open to offers. Please bear in mind that if you don't live in the US, you are likely to be liable for import duties & your own country's sales tax/value added tax on top. I would highly recommend that any prospective buyer PM me before proceeding... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107045 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hifiberry Digi+Pro + RPi3?
celo wrote: > I want to try this but how do I stream Tidal? Can the BubbleUPNP server > let me stream Tidal? Or other server? > > I don't listen to any local files. Just streaming. > > I have SBT as my streamer and I have no reason to replace it other than > to try something new. > > I currently run the LMS via MaxPlay2 and RPi3. I am thinking if I can > make this all in one unit instead two. It may improve the sound? . . Sounds like you already have the solution. A SB Touch and an LMS server is all you need for streaming. Best files from Tidal are only Red Book CD as FLAC. A Digi + Pro isn't going to improve the sound over the SB Touch when the source is only FLAC. Also no reason to pay extra for the + Pro if you don't plan to do anything other then streaming (streaming takes bandwidth so high HiRes files are a long time off). The SB Touch is perfect for streaming plus the SB Touch keeps the "Player/DAC" away from the server/computer. Just my two cents. . . *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hifiberry Digi+Pro + RPi3?
I want to try this but how do I stream Tidal? Can the BubbleUPNP server let me stream Tidal? Or other server? I don't listen to any local files. Just streaming. I have SBT as my streamer and I have no reason to replace it other than to try something new. I currently run the LMS via MaxPlay2 and RPi3. I am thinking if I can make this all in one unit instead two. It may improve the sound? celo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Wrong and wrong. Chill, actually I didn't disagree with what you wrote... Alongside also means "at the same time as or in coexistence with". > > So, the audio track was not along side the video track, it was under it > as I previously suggested. > > So the sound quality was not poor, but vastly better than any other > contemporaneous format. It was certainly better than the LP or consumer > analog tape, either open reel or cassette tape. And yes I also knew roughly how Hifi Stereo worked, and yes it was good in any speed (that I also didn't disagree with). I stated that there also existed some VHS decks that didn't use this form of "Hifi" stereo but still offered stereo sound using a two channel head in place of the standard mono linear audio head. It predated AFM hifi Stereo and unsurprisingly wasn't very good... and isn't therefore "wrong". -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > Personally I would never have declared it as an alternative to CD, but > it was a convenient alternative to compact cassette if you needed long > running times. > > The "hifi" track was placed alongside the video with an extra set of > heads, and obviously the non-hifi linear track had to remain where it > always was and contain a replica of the audio for compatibility with > other decks. There were i think a few decks that offered linear stereo > audio too, but not many and I don't think it was very good (particularly > when long play came along).. > > > Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Wrong and wrong. Please read the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS " Hi-Fi audio system Around 1984, JVC added Hi-Fi audio to VHS (model HR-D725U, in response to Betamax's introduction of Beta Hi-Fi.) Both VHS Hi-Fi and Betamax Hi-Fi delivered flat full-range frequency response (20 Hz to 20 kHz), excellent 70 dB signal-to-noise ratio (in consumer space, second only to the compact disc), dynamic range of 90 dB, and professional audio-grade channel separation (more than 70 dB). VHS Hi-Fi audio is achieved by using audio frequency modulation (AFM), modulating the two stereo channels (L, R) on two different frequency-modulated carriers and embedding the combined modulated audio signal pair into the video signal. *To avoid crosstalk and interference from the primary video carrier, VHS's implementation of AFM relied on a form of magnetic recording called depth multiplexing. The modulated audio carrier pair was placed in the hitherto-unused frequency range between the luminance and the color carrier (below 1.6 MHz), and recorded first. Subsequently, the video head erases and re-records the video signal (combined luminance and color signal) over the same tape surface, but the video signal's higher center frequency results in a shallower magnetization of the tape, allowing both the video and residual AFM audio signal to coexist on tape. (PAL versions of Beta Hi-Fi use this same technique). During playback, VHS Hi-Fi recovers the depth-recorded AFM signal by subtracting the audio head's signal (which contains the AFM signal contaminated by a weak image of the video signal) from the video head's signal (which contains only the video signal), then demodulates the left and right audio channels from their respective frequency carriers*. *The end result of the complex process was audio of outstanding fidelity, which was uniformly solid across all tape-speeds (EP, LP or SP.)* Since JVC had gone through the complexity of ensuring Hi-Fi's backward compatibility with non-Hi-Fi VCRs, virtually all studio home video releases produced after this time contained Hi-Fi audio tracks, in addition to the linear audio track. Under normal circumstances, all Hi-Fi VHS VCRs will record Hi-Fi and linear audio simultaneously to ensure compatibility with VCRs without Hi-Fi playback, though only early high-end Hi-Fi machines provided linear stereo compatibility. " arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Careful pro workers rewound the tape which often made the echo weaker or > even lost it in the hiss. At the BBC we always stored tapes (1/4" full-track mono or two-track stereo) end out, so the pre-echo became a post-echo and thus less obtrusive. Of course they then had to be re-wound before playback This occasionally led to problems, particularly with the Arabic service, which had tapes copied from a classic set of transcription records of the Koran. Turns out it's quite difficult to tell when these are played backwards, and some poor studio operator would occasionally get a call from a listener and have to log the mistake. ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > VHS HiFi added a track that was buried under the video track, using a > different carrier frequency than the video. If memory serves, both the > video and the audio were recorded with FM. The audio data was recorded > via FM which with the parameters chosen hardly gave even just 60 dB SNR > and 50-15 KHz bandwidth, but it was also companded to boost the > perceived dynamic range. > > For a little while VHS HiFi had some advocates as an alternative to > Redbook CD optical, which was also emerging at about the same time. > However, Redbook CD quickly captured everybody's interest and as the > saying goes the rest is history. Personally I would never have declared it as an alternative to CD, but it was a convenient alternative to compact cassette if you needed long running times. The "hifi" track was placed alongside the video with an extra set of heads, and obviously the non-hifi linear track had to remain where it always was and contain a replica of the audio for compatibility with other decks. There were i think a few decks that offered linear stereo audio too, but not many and I don't think it was very good (particularly when long play came along).. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
darrenyeats wrote: > Bit of a tangent now Arny, but this reminds of print-through, a problem > on the recording side with tape. This can manifest as a pre-echo as the > magnetic pattern on the tape transfers slightly to the adjacent layer. > It becomes noticeable when a very quiet passage precedes a very sudden > loud passage. > > A friend pointed out to me the print-through in the intro to > 'Sledgehammer' by Peter Gabriel. I also discovered print-through on > 'Tyler' by UB40 (the first track on their classic Signing Off album). There is also a form of it that is inherent in vinyl LP's. On tape, it may depend on storage time or tape type. Resistance to "print through" can be obtained by means of tape formulation. When listening to LPs. it may take some detective work for figure out whether the pre or post echo came from the master tape used to cut the LP, or the LP itself. On the LP it is a consistent 0.555 sec echo, while on analog tape the timing of the echo depends on the speed of the tape which may typically be 15 or 30 ips, and the diameter of the tape pack that the media comes from which is constantly varying. This means that tapes that are auto-reversed or played in both directions such as 4 track tapes have different echo timings depending on which way the tape is winding. Pro tapes are typically recorded only one way. Echos on LPs can be avoided by using a coarser pitch during the cutting phase, which may also decrease playing time per side. Careful pro workers rewound the tape which often made the echo weaker or even lost it in the hiss. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > > Tape always picks up problems when used heavily, and also big exposures > to suboptimal storage and handling. It also has problems with rapid > access to different parts of the media. CD media has no known relevant > usage or storage limits if treated reasonably. > Bit of a tangent now Arny, but this reminds of print-through, a problem on the recording side with tape. This can manifest as a pre-echo as the magnetic pattern on the tape transfers slightly to the adjacent layer. It becomes noticeable when a very quiet passage precedes a very sudden loud passage. A friend pointed out to me the print-through in the intro to 'Sledgehammer' by Peter Gabriel. I also discovered print-through on 'Tyler' by UB40 (the first track on their classic Signing Off album). Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > NICAM was an interesting technology, but it was only used on the > broadcast side. A VCR recorded analogue audio. Maybe you knew that, I > wasn't clear from your post so just clarifying. > VHS HiFi added a track that was buried under the video track, using a different carrier frequency than the video. If memory serves, both the video and the audio were recorded with FM. The audio data was recorded via FM which with the parameters chosen hardly gave even just 60 dB SNR and 50-15 KHz bandwidth, but it was also companded to boost the perceived dynamic range. For a little while VHS HiFi had some advocates as an alternative to Redbook CD optical, which was also emerging at about the same time. However, Redbook CD quickly captured everybody's interest and as the saying goes the rest is history. Tape always picks up problems when used heavily, and also big exposures to suboptimal storage and handling. It also has problems with rapid access to different parts of the media. CD media has no known relevant usage or storage limits if treated reasonably. I buy 100s of CDs from estate sales and some have to be decades old. I've digitized over 1,000 of them in the past two years with no problems that a bath with hot soapy water couldn't cure (less than 10 discs even just needed a bath.). Not one! I don't inspect them except very superficially at point of purchase. Like: "Is there a CD in this case?" This includes discs that were bought loose - with no packaging. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Stephen! > > Interestingly, I came across a source that claimed that Sony chose > 44.1kHz as the CD sampling frequency in response to Herbert von > Karajan's insistence that a CD should accommodate a performance of > Beethoven's 9th, although other sources claim that the ready > availability of existing 44.1kHz clocks was the real reason. One would > have thought that 48kHz (as used for PCM sound on DVD-V's) would have > been a more obvious choice, but it wouldn't have allowed the 9th to fit > on a 700Mb CD. I also discovered by chance that the original intention > was only to use 14bit encoding, although this was changed during > development to 16bit before any CD's or CD players were commercially > produced. > The story about Beethoven's 9th has been repeated enough going back far enough by relevant parities enough time that I would give it the benefit of the doubt. However that sampling rates were set that way is far from being the usual story. The same argument fits a wide range of sample rates, the NTSC TV convergence supports the specific number that was chosen and is thus far more likely. > > Of course the great advantage vinyl had over CD was that you had to buy > it, or suffer the even worse sound of a cassette tape copy. > That makes no sense, since *vinyl has no technical advantages at all over the CD*. The LP does have the economic advantage that back in the day, virtually everybody had the players and media on hand as sunk costs. The myths about CD's alleged flaws were invented by high end audio dealers out of fear of being stuck with a massive investment in vinyl gear in inventory and also the means of production. By then they had already been telling numerous other lies about cables, tweaks, and magical power amps, so they had quite a bit of confidence that they could pull it off, and they did. > > I'm sure they hadn't anticipated the development of CD-R & CD-RW's, but > failing to put any copy protection onto CD's was definitely a blunder > with hindsight. > The torpedoing of CD recorders supports that. However, that was overcome by the PC craze. > > Bands seem to rely on sell-out tours rather than recordings sales to > fund their lifestyles these days... > Selling swag on the tours is big business. But I think it pales compared to the box office. The bands are often trying to overcome the heavy promotional costs of launching new artists. The web has changed this equation in many ways. Dave :) P.S. I like Mahler's 2nd because of the passion that he invests in it, & the finale is fantastic. I like Messiaen too who was also a committed Catholic, & Handel (who would have been Protestant). But I also like Verdi's Requiem. Joe Green was a firm atheist so he obviously had enough passion of his own to produce such a great "religious" work arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
ftlight wrote: > Yes, it's Alex's turntable on which he plays the music of Ludwig van: > http://www.filmandfurniture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/record-player-1024x576.jpg > > There's also one in the Design Collection of the Museum of Modern Art in > New York: > https://www.moma.org/collection/works/3339 > > I really should replace the damping fluid, and I could also use a new > drive belt. Looking at it now, though, I see I have a V15 MkIV rather > than III. I still have the original Transcriptors arm, although I > replaced it with the SME as soon as I got the turntable (acquired in the > 1970s as part of a deal with Clive Taylor, former bassist of Amen > Corner). Morning Bill! You're taking me back. If only things could be "Half As Nice" again... Dave (wistful - no suitable emoticon available) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
